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Phil Salvador 31/12/2022 4:03 pm
I have no idea what this panel is (no description) but I'm very curious
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/12/2022 4:08 pm
It's like doing Google spreadsheet games I imagine.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/12/2022 4:36 pm
Interesting one on game footage collection Saturday
4:37 pm
70s basic gaming, I’m in
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Interesting one on game footage collection Saturday
Phil Salvador 31/12/2022 4:38 pm
I think that one is related to TASBot crew?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/12/2022 4:38 pm
It is
4:39 pm
The panel about smash is on Saturday the same time as that basic panel, uh oh
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Least Weasel 31/12/2022 4:54 pm
Frank! I need advice!
4:55 pm
Mega Man Legacy Collection is your baby, right?
4:55 pm
What platform is it meant to be on?
4:55 pm
Like -- I know the Amiibo does things, but does it matter?
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Phil Salvador
At MoMA
DarkSol 31/12/2022 5:05 pm
The soundtrack to SC2K was great. I think I at one time owned a copy?
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Phil Salvador
I have no idea what this panel is (no description) but I'm very curious
Corwin "weasel" Brence 31/12/2022 5:38 pm
at one point in my college career, I figured out that Powerpoint can have links to other slides in the slideshow, and that the slideshow can be prevented from advancing. A link can be any shape and it can also be instructed to become transparent when the slide is running. With this knowledge I took a bunch of pictures of the corridor outside my classroom and turned them into a Myst-like wandering thing.
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I don't still have the file.
5:39 pm
if Google Slides has any equivalent functionality, it would be a fun Hypercard-adjacent medium for that sort of thing.
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Least Weasel
What platform is it meant to be on?
Frank Cifaldi 31/12/2022 6:06 pm
Xbox One was the lead platform but it doesn't really matter between that and PC. 3DS is very flawed.
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Least Weasel 31/12/2022 6:11 pm
So the extra amiibo stuff is superfluous
6:12 pm
cries in Gold Mega Man
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Frank Cifaldi 31/12/2022 6:12 pm
If you think the Challenges are cool I think it unlocks a couple extras
6:13 pm
They're really not that cool imo, and I made them
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Least Weasel 31/12/2022 6:13 pm
I'm just looking at my physical collection and the Japanese set I had to import because they didn't release Legacy 2 on a switch cartridge in America (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
They're really not that cool imo, and I made them
Least Weasel 31/12/2022 6:13 pm
I AM RELEASED!!!
6:13 pm
I can sell this stuff!
6:14 pm
Thank you, Frank!
6:14 pm
I swear I need to donate part of the sale of all this depression collection to the foundation
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Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 12:45 am
The earliest Koei releases definitely have some screwy provenance/chronology to untangle. I wish the Erikawas would consider a historic re-release collection to recontextualize their formative works, even if it means digging up what some would consider black history (ex. their erotic ADVs/RPGs).
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/1/2023 12:46 am
Koei is pretty fascinating. @smith5031 has been working on an article translation and finding out more about their twisty past.
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Phil Salvador
Will have panel recommendations in a bit. Not a lot of history content this year but looks like pretty strong panels in general
Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 12:47 am
I'm running my Game Preservation Society-partnered panel discussing '80s/'90s Japanese PC soft creators during the middle of Friday! Would certainly appreciate a shout-out to get that room packed.
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DarkSol 1/1/2023 1:01 am
Does Koei own Taito now?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/1/2023 1:03 am
No, that's Squeeny. (edited)
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Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 1:03 am
Koei's bedfellow is Tecmo now
1:03 am
They also own Gust
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/1/2023 1:04 am
Koei, the niche guy, bought Tecmo, the action game guy. The Japanese market man...
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DarkSol 1/1/2023 1:04 am
Man... I wish Taito (or Square Enix) would localize Densha de Go. (I think they play tested an English version of their latest arcade game somewhere in TX last year?)
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I mean... that combo gave us Nioh, which was actually pretty good.
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Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 1:06 am
Well, Koei isn't that niche, given the cross-over appeal of historical games. They never went as hard on number-crunching as System Soft & other wargame makers, and the SLG-RPG hybrids (ex. Uncharted Waters) are fairly accessible. Musou games just made them that much more prominent & able to acquire/merge with others.
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DarkSol 1/1/2023 1:06 am
"I defeated an officer!"
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Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 1:07 am
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/1/2023 1:08 am
Just ripoff Sid Meier then port his games = Instant success
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DarkSol 1/1/2023 1:08 am
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What I wouldn't give for a next gen version of Aerobiz.
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DeppySlide 1/1/2023 1:10 am
Hudson getting acquired by Konami is still very sad
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Just ripoff Sid Meier then port his games = Instant success
Pasokon Deacon 1/1/2023 1:11 am
Hmm...many Rekoeition SLG-RPG hybrids weren't taking that much from JP-localized Western games. Inindo: Way of the Ninja & Kamigami no Daichi both deal with Japanese history/mythology with more unique mechanics, at least. UW was likely inspired/influenced by Pirates!, but that's fitting for a more Western-suited series. (To say nothing of Artdink's The Atlas games, which deviate from the Pirates! mold with their trading/cartography emphasis.)
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Least Weasel 1/1/2023 5:21 am
Happy new year from the east coast everybody
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 9:11 pm
You suddenly come across an archive of over 11 GB of concept art, articles, photos and screenshots of cancelled games or versions in development. https://t.co/8IUIS9e4SU
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drewmackie4u 2/1/2023 9:29 pm
Whoa
9:32 pm
Well this is tantalizing
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/1/2023 9:33 pm
That was from Gregg Mayles' Twitter.
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He didn't reveal the whole of the pitches, but the general gist is out there.
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drewmackie4u 2/1/2023 9:38 pm
Ah yes
9:38 pm
I recall now
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/1/2023 9:38 pm
All the stuff he posted would definitely be useful if you did some DKC dives 😉
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 9:45 pm
There’s some fun weird junk in here I love it
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 10:01 pm
VGHF found a copy of this, no?
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Dylan Mansfield
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:13 pm
Thank god, the owner sent me this and I lost it
10:13 pm
They've been ghosting my emails for years now
10:14 pm
This is another Chris Oberth game, the source is gone/overwritten
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Dylan Mansfield
VGHF found a copy of this, no?
Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:24 pm
No this was gigaleak
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Frank Cifaldi
This is another Chris Oberth game, the source is gone/overwritten
Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 10:25 pm
Did I say "weird junk"? Sorry, I meant "lost Oberth masterpiece".
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Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:26 pm
It requires a dartboard accessory
10:31 pm
Oh hm I forgot there's an English Rock Board screenshot, can't remember where this came from though
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 10:31 pm
Do we know who Mark is
10:31 pm
Oh wait, it’s Mark Dart’s Challenge
10:32 pm
Not Mark’s Dart Challenge
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Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:33 pm
Arachnid has a series of coin-ops called Mark Darts Challenge
10:33 pm
As in dart boards not video games
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 10:34 pm
Ah
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Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:34 pm
I don't know why Darts has an apostrophe here
10:35 pm
The ROM passed Lot Check but I doubt it's the same build as this cart screenshot considering that it just says "Licenses by Nintendo" without "of America" (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
Oh hm I forgot there's an English Rock Board screenshot, can't remember where this came from though
Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 10:47 pm
One of the greatest Mega Man mysteries is "Mega Board" – an unreleased English version of Rockboard that appeared at CES '93. A single screenshot appeared in an issue of Club Nintendo. Not long after, it was listed as "Mega Man Board Game" on a TECO HQ sales flier.
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Frank Cifaldi 2/1/2023 10:48 pm
Ah great, I vaguely remembered South America so maybe it was Club Nintendo from Mexico
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 11:08 pm
oh wow, someone had a comanche proto?
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Comanche has been on my hunt list for a while. Last time I played it was E3 1995 😉
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 11:25 pm
NintendoAge.com is dedicated to Nintendo collecting, gaming, homebrews and and peer-to-peer collaboration.
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Steve Lin
Comanche has been on my hunt list for a while. Last time I played it was E3 1995 😉
Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 11:26 pm
Nice! I’ve always wanted to write about the three Super FX games from that show that were all cancelled.
11:26 pm
Star Fox 2, this, and FX Fighter
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/1/2023 11:26 pm
New Year's Resolution 😎
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 11:27 pm
All of which Nintendo spent a lot of time on only for it to be thrown out.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/1/2023 11:33 pm
What was their stated reason at the time? I know the rumor is "a clean break" but what did they actually say?
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Dylan Mansfield 2/1/2023 11:38 pm
IIRC Star Fox 2 was cancelled because Nintendo didn't want the "old-gen 3D" going up against the much better 3D of the Saturn and PSX
11:39 pm
I assume it was the same for the other games
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/1/2023 11:46 pm
FX Fighter would be cool to have turn up. Run a tournament for it 😛
11:52 pm
I know there’s a Pc version but that is always death to try and run with people
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One day Ill get Net Fighter working properly.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/1/2023 12:14 am
Dungeon Siege Source Code leaked Size: 17.1MB Source: Anonymous pastebin
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LuigiBlood 3/1/2023 3:54 pm
Fans of source codes must feel really great now
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Frank Cifaldi 3/1/2023 3:55 pm
Are there general source code fans or is this more for the Dungeon Siege enthusiast to explore? I see very little research happening with this leaked source
3:55 pm
I haven't even seen anyone dive into the Atari or Sierra stuff yet
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LuigiBlood 3/1/2023 3:55 pm
I say that but I assume this game is pretty much ignored
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/1/2023 3:56 pm
Dungeon Seige is very popular, especially among modders.
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LuigiBlood 3/1/2023 3:56 pm
then I hope modders know about it
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Frank Cifaldi 3/1/2023 3:57 pm
I was glad when MVG showed in source how NBA Jam worked, I haven't seen others follow suit
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/1/2023 3:58 pm
Yeah, it's a complex job for specialized people. Perhaps that could be part of the source code project initiative? You did the SCUMM demonstration, so perhaps reaching out to get some of the more technically deep people to look at something specific would be of benefit to the mission.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/1/2023 4:02 pm
Don't forget @RichWhitehouse tore apart Aladdin too
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 4:03 pm
Oh right I should add Aladdin to this panel
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Frank Cifaldi 3/1/2023 4:03 pm
Addladdin
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yeah i see nobody do much with source code after it arrives (or if they do it's in private places like discords or forums)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/1/2023 5:15 pm
Dungeon Siege source would be useful if anybody feels like doing the comparatively thankless task of fixing and porting it for more modern machines. It'll run on new OSes but it has some notable issues (graphics will freak out quite badly without a third party EXE patch, iirc)
5:15 pm
of course such a port could not be released under any legal license if it's based on the leaked source
5:16 pm
not that that's stopped some projects (Mario 64 and the Ship of Harkinian project, or BuildGDX's support for Witchaven and TekWar) (edited)
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LuigiBlood 3/1/2023 5:36 pm
Mario 64 is not based on the leaked source
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and the leaked source isn't even complete
5:37 pm
same for Ship of Harkinian too
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Mario 64 decompilation was already done before the gigaleak happened, even
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the leaked source code of N64 games there's only 3 complete games
5:38 pm
Dr. Mario 64, and NBA Courtside 1 & 2
5:38 pm
all the rest are all compiled objects with some source files just for localization purposes becuase Nintendo actually really doesn't like sharing game sources with external devs like BroadOn or even iQue (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/1/2023 5:39 pm
i suppose in retrospect the capstone sources weren't exactly leaked either
5:40 pm
but they're weird legally speaking anyway because while they have open licenses attached to them, it's unclear who exactly released them or if they had the legal right to do that
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LuigiBlood 3/1/2023 5:41 pm
the only full sources that we got from the gigaleak are Pokémon games, Link's Awakening Original and DX (edited)
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and a bunch of first party SNES titles
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and the previously mentioned 3 N64 titles
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that said as much as Nintendo doesn't want to share game sources, they don't really scrub their assets very much
5:42 pm
that's how you can get Luigi's model from Mario 64
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 6:53 pm
Was there really a yen shortage? Just what is an Invader House? And how and why did this game kick off high score competitions in arcades? Secrets of these (and a glimpse of the seldom seen Space Invaders Jumbo) will be revealed this Friday at Magfest!
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will these panels be recorded?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 6:59 pm
typically Magfest does record panels, so I'm guessing yes
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Jason Scott 3/1/2023 7:01 pm
They... typically record panels? (edited)
7:02 pm
I suggest bringing your own recording device
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 7:31 pm
I think the archives panel on Saturday is streaming!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 7:41 pm
oh I wonder if that's a ballroom thing this year
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 7:49 pm
can confirm that they told us it'll be recorded for sure
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 7:51 pm
I think Panels 1 and 2 are streamed, we both have Panels 2
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PRGE IS ROARING INTO 2023! Save the date, folks. Portland Retro Gaming Expo is returning to the Oregon Convention Center. Friday, October 13 through Sunday, October 15. Additional details will be announced soon, so stay tuned. P.S. It might get spooky!
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 8:05 pm
PRGE is back, come pet the cat
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/1/2023 8:11 pm
nice. the AtariAge booth is bound to be interesting
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Maybe I'll actually go this year.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 8:12 pm
I suspect this will be one of the years where I have the money but work will be in the way
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I'll have a project behind me by that time.
8:12 pm
who knows about budget though 8V
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/1/2023 8:12 pm
i might not go for Friday night this time around, i find i run out of stuff to do by Sunday if i do all three days
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Just did the math and booked my hotel room at the Hyatt
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/1/2023 8:14 pm
maybe i should book a room too. i mean i live within walking distance of the max line but walking it every time was getting to suck
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 8:15 pm
aha yes I have a meeting in Ottawa the 16th-20th
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I want to go, someone convince them to fly me out.
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 8:30 pm
Tell them you have the cat that the Jaguar is based on
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Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 9:09 pm
Oh hey Dave Gilbert will be at MAG too
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Borman
I want to go, someone convince them to fly me out.
Pasokon Deacon 3/1/2023 9:15 pm
Same, but I'm like this with Mid-West as well. There's nothing like these events in Texas (not anymore...) or the South in general, and I don't count anime cons.
9:19 pm
I saw the blurb for Gilbert's panel, will have to drop by at least for a bit.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/1/2023 9:32 pm
Oh I wanna say hi to him
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/1/2023 9:33 pm
I do have to try and make midwest if only to shill my book
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Frank Cifaldi
Oh I wanna say hi to him
Phil Salvador 3/1/2023 9:51 pm
Inside the Adventure Game Studio at 6, feat. the one and only @Daniel Greenberg (Winterion)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I do have to try and make midwest if only to shill my book
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/1/2023 10:05 pm
Welcome to the circuit!
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 3/1/2023 10:06 pm
I'm running tech for the talk, actually, Alex is gonna be the host.
10:06 pm
She's got mad skills :)
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But yeah, Sat at 6p, be there! shamelessplug.gif
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Frank Cifaldi
Oh I wanna say hi to him
Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 3/1/2023 11:26 pm
We could grab dinner after, I'm sure we will all be hungry and you can catch up with him
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Dylan Mansfield 4/1/2023 12:41 am
Everyone is talking about how the Among Us cameo in Glass Onion is a big moment for gaming. But do you remember when The Sims was featured in The Drew Carey Show twice in the same season?!
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 3:29 am
Does anyone here have an account for Something Awful and want to help me out with a few historical keyword searches?
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Frank Cifaldi 4/1/2023 4:44 am
I can after MAGFest if it comes to it
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Kate Willært
Does anyone here have an account for Something Awful and want to help me out with a few historical keyword searches?
Jeremy Seith 4/1/2023 8:16 am
sure
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Kate Willært
Does anyone here have an account for Something Awful and want to help me out with a few historical keyword searches?
Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 4/1/2023 3:48 pm
I can also help with this.
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion)
I can also help with this.
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 3:50 pm
Looking into it further, it looks like a Plat account is required for search engine access, and Archives access (to see things older than 6 months) also costs extra, oof...do you (or anyone else) have those things?
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 4/1/2023 3:50 pm
I might. It's been so long I don't remember my account status
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Jeremy Seith 4/1/2023 4:33 pm
ah, i do not
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Phil Salvador 4/1/2023 4:35 pm
My Doom modding buddy has plat and archives but he says searching is a pain in the ass
4:35 pm
Will forward you Discord info!
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:24 pm
Shadsy's buddy is helping me, but it turns out the search function is not connected to the archive if you can believe it
5:25 pm
So he went browsing for early Castlevania threads...I think we've just about confirmed that SA was not one of the early forums to get "metroidvania"
5:29 pm
BTW, if anyone can think of any gaming-specific forums from the very early 2000s (like, pre-2004) that still have their archive intact, let me know
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It seems that Google is not great at crawling these forums, so the only way to find the really early messages is by using a forum's own search tool
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I found "metroidvania" in use in 2003 on the Digital Press forum and The Next Level forum this way
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But not sure what else might exist
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(GAF didn't get the word until 2004)
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Is any of the early IGN stuff still out there?
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:31 pm
IGN is one of the frustrating examples of a forum that no longer has a proper search function...same with GameFAQs
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DeppySlide 4/1/2023 5:32 pm
the IGN boards look so nasty now
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btw this is super cool, i think it's meant to be internal only, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsc0igHy91c
5:33 pm
DICE got DJ Food to do an audiovisual mixup of all of their games for their 30th anniversary
5:34 pm
and it starts with Pinball Dreams/Fantasies on Amiga, which I played a lot when I was 16 or so 🙂
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i guess it's more like an AV thing than a true historical document but it's fun
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Kate Willært
IGN is one of the frustrating examples of a forum that no longer has a proper search function...same with GameFAQs
Do you have a link handy of an early thread on either?
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:40 pm
Yeah, one sec
5:41 pm
Both of these are very close together in early 2003
5:44 pm
well they don't validate their search terms so that is a start lol
5:45 pm
Not super simple to do, let me fiddle
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SoH
Not super simple to do, let me fiddle
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:45 pm
What forum are you working on there?
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digitpress
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digitpress
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:47 pm
Or in that prev message where you asking for any early thread from an IGN or GameFAQs to try and figure out their search?
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yeah, just anything giving a headache to search through
5:48 pm
For digitpress though you can just modify the date in the advanced search since it uses number of days, might help:
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:48 pm
Cuz Digital Press search works fine for me, I thought you were asking for early successes lol
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Trying to find early IGN threads and yikes, the state of their forum is worse than I thought
5:49 pm
They've got threads going back to 2001, but when I click on one I get an error page
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Even 2005 threads are error pages...they broke their whole old forum
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Hit me with a link.
5:50 pm
Even if broken
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:51 pm
I'm looking for the name of a beat 'em up(scrolling fighting)game based on Marvel Comics. I know there's one called "The Avengers",you can be either Captain America,Vision,Iron man or Hawk Eye.By the way,can somebody please tell me it was developed by what company? Another one called...
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 5:59 pm
I hadn't dug into IGN very deep, but I just discovered they have a Castlevania specific subforum that goes back to 2001...that's wild
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DeppySlide 4/1/2023 6:00 pm
yeah I remember they had a lot of individual game franchise boards, I used to go on the pikmin board for a while
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:04 pm
So IGN has a "filter" that allows sorting messages in ascending order and searching by a username, but not searching by a keyword
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Those early threads fail lookup immediately on the server side so either their fetcher is broken or the data isn't there, hard to tell what is happening, but I notice all the replies are at 0 so doesn't look promising. Maybe they just kept the thread titles themselves.
6:07 pm
But then the odd one will work so who knows what is happening there
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:08 pm
Yeah, it's very odd
6:08 pm
When sorting by date, the ones that fail are all grouped together as oldest, then eventually you get past 2008 and it'll go to 2000 again but be threads that do exist
6:10 pm
if only there was something I could plug into this url to make it search by keyword instead of starter id https://www.ignboards.com/forums/castlevania.5214/?starter_id=307598&order=post_date&direction=asc
Drac Talk: from the original Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance.
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Kate Willært
if only there was something I could plug into this url to make it search by keyword instead of starter id https://www.ignboards.com/forums/castlevania.5214/?starter_id=307598&order=post_date&direction=asc
So an older version of the forum did support keyword search and it appears it was q=*searchterm*, which matches similar forum software, trying the by itself does nothing
6:50 pm
Which uses an unusual format and when I click on it asks me to login which is odd
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:50 pm
I was reading about the current forum software and they'd need to install a search specific plugin to add the functionality
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Do you have an IGN account? And if so what happens when you click that link?
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:51 pm
I don't
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I am guessing it is just a wierd redirect the authenticates, yeah, it has probably been disabled entirely or not installed in an upgrade
6:52 pm
It did support text search previously though https://web.archive.org/web/20190312125452/https://www.ign.com/boards/search/ (edited)
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:52 pm
The current software they're using is called Xenforo btw
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Yeah, same as gaf/era
6:54 pm
They have kind of stayed in sync tech wise. Overlap on the tech side, is my, not very informed understanding
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:55 pm
Hm, looking at GAF as an example, if I put /search/ at the end of the IGN url it gives me a login page
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I'll DM an admin and see if they are willing to help. What is this ultimately for, research for a video? Just to give some context.
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:57 pm
I'm doing a video on the evolution of the word "metroidvania"
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I'll DM an admin and see if they are willing to help. What is this ultimately for, research for a video? Just to give some context.
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 6:58 pm
I found it
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I registered and tried adding /search/ and it's there
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About to see if it works
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It works o_o
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lol, I'd be lying if I said any "disabled" features in my apps are more than just removed from the UI but always nice when it works out for good.
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Wietse van Bruggen 4/1/2023 7:58 pm
Wow, Sega Saturn in the Netherlands at end of 1997 was...painful
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1997: PSX went from 27.000 to 130.000 (growth in 1998 for PSX would be spectacular btw) 1997 N64: 63.000 at the end of 1997 (launch was in early 1997 over here) 1997 Saturn: from 5000 to 7000 7000! (edited)
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Just 2000 machines sold over one year
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:05 pm
Huh
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/1/2023 8:07 pm
Netherlands was really into pc huh
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Wietse van Bruggen 4/1/2023 8:10 pm
That figure is not all pure games btw, other things getting lobbed into the entertainment category but even when correcting for that PC CD-ROM games would be over 82 million in revenue (edited)
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Always has been really, not surprised by that.
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Consoles were tiny compared to pc/home computers for a long time. (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/1/2023 8:13 pm
That 70 percent was all CD-i turtlepower
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:15 pm
Thanks to IGN's hidden search function, I just came across an early example of a game journalist using Wikipedia irresponsibly for research that's so bad, I'm wondering if I should blur out the author's name (partly to save them the shame, but partly because blurring it out would be funny)
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In 2006 there was no Metroidvania page on Wikipedia, but someone was trying to make Castleroid happen on there...and in this feature article for Escapist at that time, the author wrote:
The Metroid gameplay influenced Konami's Castlevania games so strongly that reviewers coined the umbrella term "Castleroids" to describe the style of "nonlinear exploration-based gameplay with lots of power-ups."
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your instincts are right, blurring it out is funnier
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:17 pm
I think so lol
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the metroidvania vs castleroid fight was so weird\
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castleroid getting floated because they were still making Castlevania games and metroid was a dead franchise for ~10 of the past 20 years
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then again I wouldn't be surprised if the person who first coined it did it specifically because it sounds like a disease
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:21 pm
From what I've seen, it appears that the only people who used Castleroid were generally people who did not like that Metroidvania put Metroid first in the name (and at the time both terms referred specifically to the Iga games)
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then again I wouldn't be surprised if the person who first coined it did it specifically because it sounds like a disease
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:22 pm
Also possible, since some people who used the word were using it disparagingly
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yeah, I remember metroidvania exclusively being used for the "enemies drop all kinds of weird items" games, and not for "powerups in an obstacle course" games, since there were more of the former than the latter
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:25 pm
It was very specifically just the Iga CV games until Scott Sharkey used it to describe a couple indie games
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Mike Bentley 4/1/2023 8:25 pm
both of these terms are pretty terrible, although "vania" sounds a little more pleasant as a suffix
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I still feel weird that in a ending of 12 monkeys way I know I saw the original message board tweet coining metroidvania, and if I only had photographic memory I could just tell you where it is.
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:26 pm
Yeah? What do you remember about it? Like, what about it seemed obvious that it was being invented right there?
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Mike Bentley 4/1/2023 8:27 pm
I assume you've checked something like the Penny Arcade forums?
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It almost certain was not there
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I've tried to recall when precisely I first bumped into the term and the best I've been able to figure out was with Cave Story, the original PC version
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Phil Salvador 4/1/2023 8:27 pm
TIGSource boards?
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It was either the first Insert Credit forums, or Scott Sharkey's forums, or a personal blog of a poster who was on one of those forums
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I've tried to recall when precisely I first bumped into the term and the best I've been able to figure out was with Cave Story, the original PC version
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:28 pm
I absolutely could not tell you the first time I saw the word...like most words we learn, it was like it was suddenly always there
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Mike Bentley 4/1/2023 8:29 pm
what's the earliest date so far?
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Yes, absolutely. Until it was everywhere if you asked me what those games were called it would be something like: Action game, action platformer, or maybe even just platformer
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Wietse van Bruggen 4/1/2023 8:29 pm
I'm pretty sure I personally heard it first on Retronauts in the 1up days. (edited)
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It was either the first Insert Credit forums, or Scott Sharkey's forums, or a personal blog of a poster who was on one of those forums
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:29 pm
Sharkey's forum is plausible, since that's where Jeremy Parish says he first saw it...though there are bits of his memory that don't quite line up with how things actually unfolded...how far back did Insert Credits go?
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the first insertcredit forum started in 1999 or 2000
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but it's died and been resurrected a few times.
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Phil Salvador 4/1/2023 8:31 pm
TIGSource only seems to go back to 2007. Amazingly the first use there seems to be Maddy Thorson!
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Mike Bentley
what's the earliest date so far?
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:31 pm
The earliest date so far is someone making a joke in Usenet in June 2001...the next earliest date is a Mailbag page for Castlevania Dungeon from Jan 2003, and several people I've talked to recall it originating on the Dungeon forum but no one is sure how far back it went (personally, I don't think it went further back than 2002, but I'd like to know whether it was coined independently or if someone carried it over from the Usenet joke) (edited)
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Has a genre name settled for the sorts of games Maddy makes? People were pushing masocore for a while but I don't think that has held? Kaizo is about all I see with any consistency.
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But I dunno if that has really branched outside SMW circles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masocore (edited)
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The earliest date so far is someone making a joke in Usenet in June 2001...the next earliest date is a Mailbag page for Castlevania Dungeon from Jan 2003, and several people I've talked to recall it originating on the Dungeon forum but no one is sure how far back it went (personally, I don't think it went further back than 2002, but I'd like to know whether it was coined independently or if someone carried it over from the Usenet joke) (edited)
I think your etymology checks out. It was used as an alternative to IGAvania to differentiate "modern" CV (Aria of Sorrow) from "Classic" CV (CV3 or Bloodlines
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:34 pm
The reason I saw Sharkey's forum is plausible for feeling like you saw it coined there is because I think someone carried it over there from a different forum, but from what I've seen, whenever someone does carry the word to a new forum, they do not explain it or where it came from...they just use it like it always existed, and then more people use it
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Like a virus
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The earliest Igavania I can find is 2005
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I am surprised that early, I didn't see that term until he did his kickstarter
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:35 pm
Yeah, he did not coin it himself
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It was clearly another fan-made term, though again, can't find a post where someone sounds like they're inventing it (nor for Castleroid)
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The Usenet post is the only time I've seen someone put forth one of the words in a way where it's clear they're coining something (or believe they are)
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A thing to keep in mind, not unlike discord today, is a lot of game discussion in this period was happening on IRC
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I can probably get dates rough dates for that, if I can find archives of insertcredit and the first selectbutton (where about half of the ic forum people went when ic died the first time)
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because we had an annual event for a few years called "Fucking Konami Week" where everyone put in way too much effort into loving Konami games
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(the "fucking" was originally a positive expletive)
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:39 pm
Early 2003 is the year to beat...after the Usenet post in 2001, it showed up in that Castlevania Dungeon Mailbag in Jan 2003, then on Digital Press forum in Feb 2003, then The Next Level forum in Mar 2003 (edited)
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Then an Amazon review in May 2003 that was written by the moderator of Castlevania Dungeon
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(Unless you were talking about Igavania, IDK)
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Moreso Metroidvania, since that is the one that's become widespread in its usage
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:42 pm
BTW, my IGN search turned up that it showed up there in Aug 2003
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And Something Awful didn't seem to get the word until the Cave Story stuff was happening, around 2005/6, so it seems like the word was very much a game-specific forum thing
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But like I said on Twitter a few days ago, our brains like to trick us into thinking we knew words earlier than we did...one of the best documented examples of this phenomenon is "bucket list," which didn't exist before the movie
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I encountered similar things when I was digging around about "easter egg," people thinking it existed before it did
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So when I'm talking to these game journalists who are always like "I swear I must've been using the word [2-5 years] before that" lol...I am strongly doubting
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/1/2023 8:49 pm
Turns out a guy just invented it on the spot like a G 😎
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Turns out a guy just invented it on the spot like a G 😎
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:49 pm
And then promptly forgot he coined anything, like how the Metroidvania Usenet guy was shocked to learn he coined it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/1/2023 8:50 pm
Well he said that in the article but when I talked to him he seemed fully aware that it was a "thing" people said nowadays.
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:51 pm
Right, the Metroidvania guy knows it's a thing...but I'd like to see the first time the Easter egg guy was asked about it, what his first time reaction was to that tidbit being brought back up
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huh, I guess insertcredit only started in 2002? I swear I remember it being older. Also wayback isn't working as a usable archive of the forums at all
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/1/2023 8:53 pm
i could have sworn insert credit was older than that
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:53 pm
Yeah, the Archive is sadly useless for forums...something about the way things are crawled (including how Google crawls things today) just can't handle classic forums
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Or pagination
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/1/2023 8:53 pm
like, start of the PS2 and GBA generation at the very least
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I wonder if anyone is holding on to that archive. Everyone who could have might have burned the archive just to be safe, considering how it went out.
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:55 pm
Generally no one held onto their archives from that era...Castlevania Dungeon is gone, Sharkey's is gone, Parish had a forum around that time that's gone
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Ah, I couldn't remember if Parish had a forum or not. I only remember commenting in the comments threads underneath thumbnail theater posts
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 8:56 pm
Most of Parish's 1UP blog can be found on Archive if you're creative, but once again, he wasn't using the word as far back as his memory is tricking him he was
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I was able to view a partial archive of the gaming thread on Sharkey's forum, and nothing there either...I'm a little doubtful it did pop up there as early as he recalls
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oh no, I think I may have figured out someone who does still have an archive of the original insertcredit forum. The problem is that he was the mod Brandon put in charge of the forum to kill it, which he did by flooding it with CP, and he currently makes his living with a white power podcast patreon.
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I'm just... not going to pursue that lead
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 9:01 pm
Yeah, probably not worth it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/1/2023 9:01 pm
The internet is weird
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hmm. hmmm.
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 9:11 pm
Maybe if there was an easy way to search...they all seem to recent tho
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What would be really great is if someone had kept a complete archive of the Gamespy forums...I have an incomplete archive that didn't help me a lot...but Gamespy hosted the ClassicGaming forums, which hosted the Castlevania Dungeon forums
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My running theory is someone on Usenet saw the joke post in 2001 and introduced the word into the Gamespy eco-system in 2002, and it spread from there
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/1/2023 9:20 pm
given that you're looking at CG and the Dungeon, I'm guessing you've already been in touch with Kurt Kalata
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Kate Willært 4/1/2023 9:20 pm
Yeah
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Archive is gone, sadly
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/1/2023 9:21 pm
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Jason Scott 4/1/2023 9:24 pm
I'm at the Art of Noise show in London
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Their agent and I talked about maybe Magfest next year
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Jason Scott
I'm at the Art of Noise show in London
DarkSol 4/1/2023 11:44 pm
oh man... I would LOVE to see The Art of Noise live 😦
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i am so jealous
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also... @Frank Cifaldi, did you see this? https://twitter.com/Apogee_Ent/status/1610453373911797761
Apogee co-founder, Terry Nagy, just found a drive that's exploding with Duke Nukem assets, most of which have never been seen, including concept art, models & more. We'll be going through this asap and making posts about everything we find starting next week. Here's a sneak peek.
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Frank Cifaldi 4/1/2023 11:48 pm
Yeah I saw it! Lots of this stuff lately
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DarkSol 4/1/2023 11:49 pm
ah cool! I didn't see it posted in here... so, I wasn't sure
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And I figured other people would find it neat too!
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Frank Cifaldi 4/1/2023 11:49 pm
Yeah! Please do!
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I'm bad at it
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Dylan Mansfield 4/1/2023 11:50 pm
All this stuff is slowly making me a Duke Nukem fan
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help
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DarkSol 4/1/2023 11:50 pm
lol i didn't mean to imply that you should be doing all the heavy lifting! 😅
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Dylan Mansfield
All this stuff is slowly making me a Duke Nukem fan
Kate Willært 4/1/2023 11:53 pm
The real v is unlike to make Duke work in the modern age…imagine a Duke who would piss off conservatives just by hearing him say Trans Rights
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DarkSol 4/1/2023 11:56 pm
Like Duke worked well in the 90s because that was like the nadir of ultra masculinity in the media (or just past it)... Society has moved on from Duke, despite what conservatives say/want.
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Phil Salvador 4/1/2023 11:56 pm
I think the only way to make Duke work in 2023 is to make him pan
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Just make him aggressively sexual about everyone possible
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DarkSol 4/1/2023 11:57 pm
I don't think there's any context that could make Duke work... unless if you made it a super parody of movies like Commando, but Duke's also in on the joke. (edited)
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It's partially why DNF just hit all the wrong notes.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 12:05 am
Captain America was designed by two Jews to be a blonde muscle man to piss off Nazis…Duke is essentially how Trump imagines himself so imagine him becoming progressive
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:05 am
The problem is that Duke... is kinda problematic.
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He blows up an abortion clinic in DN3D, IIRC.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 12:06 am
Right the old ones can’t be fixed
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:06 am
I don't know how you could pivot from that without pissing off the diehard fans of the Duke...
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Of course, Randy won't do shit with the franchise.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 12:07 am
That would be part of the goal in theory
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Feels like any attempts to rehabilitate characters like this in the next decade or so will just take the GoW playbook and make him a dad, but I wouldn't complain about a full reversal.
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:09 am
There's a part in the DNF DLC episode that is actually really good. A female character, who's still dressed super provocatively, doesn't fall for Duke and doesn't really fall for the machismo bit.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 12:10 am
What if you play as the kid and Duke is the villain?
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Only if there is a button that all it does is call him a Boomer.
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:10 am
I guess you could make Duke so self-unaware that his schtick is dumb, but the world around him treats him like the out of touch Boomer that he is, despite the schtick being there.
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let me see if i can find the part of the Civvie DNF video that covers it...
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 12:13 am
But personally I prefer the idea of using him as an example of rehabilitation…maybe have him acknowledge he used to have bad views, to show how older people should be doing it, instead of the ones who do change trying to pretend they were never problematic
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And yeah,having a kid could be a shortcut for that, since kids cause people to either change or double down
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No one has done the video game dad trope with a trans kid yet (edited)
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:17 am
Here's the section of the video that I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSv8J6mpKLw&t=3426s (it's only that section that's applicable to my point. But if you want to see someone just break down how awful DNF is and why, including the history of how we got to the final product, it's a pretty good video.)
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also... i am howling at Duke saying "I got your Planck length right here, baby"...
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Is Duke admitting he's... a little small?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/1/2023 12:23 am
The writers might be. Shows how it can be clever.
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:25 am
I dunno... considering some of the other parts of DNF are... very questionable in taste to say the least... I would never say that 3D Realms and Gearbox were that self-aware.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/1/2023 12:27 am
I dunno who the writers were throughout the process. At one time Duke Nukem was not entirely a self-parody so I think there was a point where the writers got him.
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Tangential but I was thinking about this recently. Without googling can you name a character trait of Sam "Serious" Stone? (serious sam)
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:27 am
Boring.
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@Ethan Johnson (Play History): Do you mean in DNF or in the whole Duke Nukem franchise?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/1/2023 12:31 am
The entirety. I'm well aware of the released DNF problems.
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 12:31 am
I think DN2 and DN3D is where they got the character the best.
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Apparently Duke likes Oprah?
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Which is kinda progressive.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/1/2023 12:43 am
MAGFest is upon us, and the schedule (https://t.co/KmLlMGKcjw) says we're doing two panels: 💾 Preserving Games with VGHF — Thursday 3:30pm, Panels 4 📚 Inside the VGHF Archives — Saturday 9pm, Panels 2 If you're at the event - https://t.co/dRe5FCGeEy - come check it out!
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Dylan Mansfield 5/1/2023 12:49 am
Will this be recorded and/or livesteamed?
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the answer is: pretty sure it's recorded, not sure if it's livestreamed. (but if anyone knows for sure that'd be good since other people will be asking :P)
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Pasokon Deacon 5/1/2023 1:06 am
The Panels 2 presentation will be streamed as well. Panels in ballrooms 1 & 2 get streamed & recorded.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/1/2023 1:11 am
there was a really good tweet thread about how Duke could work in the modern era - written by Kelly "coelasquid" Turnbull, of the webcomic Manly Guys Doing Manly Things. I'd have to find it
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/1/2023 1:22 am
See part of the problem with approaching a modern day reinterpretation of Duke Nukem is it always comes down to an argument about "How PC Will It Be", but that's the trap. It's like the Mad Men episode where they're trying to figure out how to downplay cancer in cigarette ads-
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You avoid making it yet another "jaded out-of-touch aging action hero back in the saddle" story by making Duke not jaded in the first place. He's trying his best! He earnestly wants people to like him! He lives life like someone who was never told it wasn't cool to like things!
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 1:31 am
oh that's a good thread.
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i could get behind that concept if done right.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/1/2023 1:34 am
coelasquid also makes the case in this webcomic that duke is probably the nerdiest manly man in pop culture 😆 https://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/whos-to-say-duke-cant-have-hobbies
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 1:43 am
Hm interesting thread
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I also like the idea that he might be a bit of a nerd
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 1:52 am
I think there's a halfway point between the two ideas that could be funny where Duke finally meets his hero John Carpenter, and their conversation completely changes Duke's worldview (edited)
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Which would probably work best if it happened during a Duke movie directed by Carpenter
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Carpenter of course is the only person who should ever direct a Duke movie
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 2:01 am
He already did.
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They Live is the closest we'll ever get to a Duke movie.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:03 am
I would say the Escape movies are even closer to Duke movies (edited)
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 2:04 am
Hit me with your elevator pitch on that. 🙂
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:05 am
Because They Live has a social awareness that Duke doesn't have, and the Escape movies are so intentionally silly and over the top (though most people didn't realize until the second one)
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The plastic surgery cult in LA does seem like something that would happen in a Duke game
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:08 am
Giving Carpenter a Duke movie and telling him "you have permission to be as silly and over the top as you want" would be perfect for both him and for Duke
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 2:11 am
To be fair, I haven't seen Escape from LA, but Snake comes across as very asexual, while Duke does not.
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:12 am
That's true, it's not 1:1
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Snake was like his version of the Man With No Name
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 2:13 am
Yeah... I could definitely see that comparison.
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Leone doing a Duke movie would be interesting. lol
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:16 am
But the other thing is that action heroes aren't womanizers anymore...Duke's womanizing was probably borrowed from Connery's Bond more than anything, and even the modern Bond movies have toned that down
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 2:16 am
Yeah... looking at Goldfinger or Dr. No with 2022 lenses is pretty 😬
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Kate Willært 5/1/2023 2:16 am
A modern Duke movie probably wouldn't have that, and wouldn't acknowledge the change...it would just be absent (edited)
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The tricky part is whether you replace it with a love interest subplot or not
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And whether it should be traditional or a satire of traditional or turning the traditional version on its head
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Phil Salvador 5/1/2023 4:02 am
Frank is spending MAGFest configuring an MSX flashcart
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Frank Cifaldi 5/1/2023 4:08 am
*breaking
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Phil Salvador 5/1/2023 4:26 am
You broke it and now you're reconfiguring it
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Frank Cifaldi 5/1/2023 5:01 am
It's un-broke
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/1/2023 5:02 am
Play Eggerland
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Frank Cifaldi 5/1/2023 5:03 am
Do you know how long it took us to get Metal Gear 2 running
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5:03 am
I'm walking away
5:03 am
It works ship it
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Phil Salvador 5/1/2023 5:07 am
I found SimCity
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
amazing thread. just make him into johnny bravo but with guns. it'd be great
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 5/1/2023 4:44 pm
See you cool kids later today 😎
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Jason Scott 5/1/2023 8:20 pm
I wonder who made the sign
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Dylan Mansfield 5/1/2023 10:23 pm
These documents were saved all these years by legendary Origin producer Billy Cain and they’re here with me thanks to a group of Wing Commander fans that raised almost $1k for his charity that works to end human trafficking. It’s a win win win win win situation!
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DarkSol 5/1/2023 10:24 pm
Didn't Ben shill Star Citizen to the Moon and back?
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Dylan Mansfield 5/1/2023 10:25 pm
I’m not really familiar with him other than that he’s the big Wing Commander dude on Twitter
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Oh good, he noticed the addresses weren't obscured
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phone manufacturers need to remove the black highlighter
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Dylan Mansfield 5/1/2023 10:27 pm
I just removed the first link because uh, the address isn’t fully blacked out 😬
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Both his and the game dev who sent it to him
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Phil Salvador 6/1/2023 5:15 am
Frank and I walked into a panel about game show video games and immediately saw a slide about Sharedata
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mattyhochs 6/1/2023 5:53 pm
hey y’all! i’m at my first magfest. is there any VGHF specific stuff to attend? any other recommendations? i’ve been eyeing the japanese game panel at 5:30pm
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Frank Cifaldi 6/1/2023 5:57 pm
@Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch panel in an hour!
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mattyhochs 6/1/2023 5:58 pm
that one’s on my schedule! i didn’t realize it was @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch. very cool
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/1/2023 5:59 pm
Yeah! Space Invaders is cool
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Frank Cifaldi 6/1/2023 6:01 pm
And then me and @Phil Salvador again Saturday, VGHF-specific
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Others too but I've barely looked at the schedule honestly...
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Phil Salvador 6/1/2023 6:04 pm
Collect Like a Curator at 10am tomorrow seems interesting! Not sure who's doing it. Saturday panels are stacked in general
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At the same time there's a mysterious panel about the history of Counterstrike
6:06 pm
Melee is Broken at 2:30pm Saturday is gonna be great, AJ Rappaport has done a ton of research on the Melee community
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Yeah! Space Invaders is cool
mattyhochs 6/1/2023 6:08 pm
space invaders is the game that spurred arcade legislation in japan right? that’s fascinating
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/1/2023 6:18 pm
No formal legislation or legal changes, but new industry led rules that they got the cops on board to enforce
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
No formal legislation or legal changes, but new industry led rules that they got the cops on board to enforce
mattyhochs 6/1/2023 6:56 pm
oooo gotcha. well i’ll be there at 2!
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Phil Salvador
Melee is Broken at 2:30pm Saturday is gonna be great, AJ Rappaport has done a ton of research on the Melee community
mattyhochs 6/1/2023 6:56 pm
that’s extremely cool. i’ll check that out too, thanks
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Phil Salvador 6/1/2023 7:01 pm
Kevin Time
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/1/2023 7:21 pm
Not live for me 🤷‍♂️
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Least Weasel 6/1/2023 8:49 pm
Supergiant Games is a small independent game development studio in San Francisco, known for its award-winning titles Hades, Pyre, Transistor, and Bastion.
8:51 pm
Found this elsewhere
8:51 pm
Am monoglot
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Phil Salvador 6/1/2023 10:08 pm
@Pasokon Deacon Gonna be a little late to the panel but good luck!
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Pasokon Deacon 6/1/2023 10:08 pm
Ty!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/1/2023 10:12 pm
Thanks to everyone who came to the Space Invaders 45th panel at Magfest that @ubersaurus and I put on! And thanks @enerJax for the photos!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/1/2023 10:13 pm
Rad!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/1/2023 10:14 pm
We had to rush the last 15 minutes or so, but we wrapped content exactly 10 seconds before 3pm
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Phil Salvador 6/1/2023 11:22 pm
@Pasokon Deacon in action
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Damn wish I was there
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Pasokon Deacon 7/1/2023 3:51 pm
I should try & bring a friend who can help me stream these panels rather than wait for the con to upload them well after
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/1/2023 5:28 pm
I wud record panels if I knew I needed tp
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Pasokon Deacon
I should try & bring a friend who can help me stream these panels rather than wait for the con to upload them well after
Just get permission prior
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Pasokon Deacon 7/1/2023 5:59 pm
Oh for sure, that’s what my friends did for their panel (Falcom fan translations)
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Phil Salvador 7/1/2023 6:13 pm
MAGFest Panels 2 channel seems to be inactive so IDK if we're streaming tonight sadfrog
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Jeremy Seith 7/1/2023 7:09 pm
i'd be thrilled if anyone with a panel would just connect a recorder to the monitor on the pa mixer and grabbed clean audio
7:14 pm
was very brusquely denied by prge haha
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Phil Salvador 7/1/2023 8:12 pm
Maybe someone can bootleg stream the panel on Twitch!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/1/2023 2:04 am
2:04 am
Lighting got weird
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/1/2023 2:37 am
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/1/2023 2:46 am
gunfwd1 ninja
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Hell yeah Ninja Gun!
3:53 am
Hope the panel went well
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Phil Salvador 8/1/2023 4:20 am
It did! So much fun stuff
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Anything in particular get a notable response?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/1/2023 4:48 am
Well, Ninja Gun
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Phil Salvador 8/1/2023 5:38 am
Uhh what else. There was something earlier on that elicited gasps (edited)
5:39 am
People did like the CDi magazines
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Phil Salvador 8/1/2023 6:15 am
The Amico award too
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Frank Cifaldi 9/1/2023 2:57 am
poking at my unreleased NES games research on my flight home and man am I sick of people dying
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Dylan Mansfield 9/1/2023 3:00 am
oh god what now
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Dylan Mansfield 9/1/2023 3:15 am
aw man
3:17 am
assuming "Jordan Adventure" for the NES is Chaos in the Windy City, that would've been a late release (edited)
3:18 am
SNES game came out in November 1994
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Frank Cifaldi 9/1/2023 3:21 am
or it's unrelated/earlier
3:22 am
he was contacted a looooong time ago and his reply was basically "I don't give out intellectual property"
3:25 am
oh just got confirmation of Tip Off NES, which was just on wikipedia this whole time without me knowing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_Off
Tip Off is a basketball game released for the Amiga and Atari. It was developed in 1991 by Anco SoftwareA Game Boy version was developed by Enigma Variations and published by Imagineer in Europe. An unreleased NES version was also in development.
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oh just got confirmation of Tip Off NES, which was just on wikipedia this whole time without me knowing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_Off
Dylan Mansfield 9/1/2023 3:27 am
programmed by the same guy who did Chip's Challenge NES, according to their LinkedIn.
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Frank Cifaldi 9/1/2023 3:28 am
great, thanks
3:28 am
talking to the CEO of Enigma Variations, they did Populous too (we knew it existed but not who did it)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/1/2023 3:29 am
https://twitter.com/onionsoftware/status/1612798265464086529 man where was this for my invaders panel, these are the stickers announcing that no one under 15 is allowed to play without adult supervision
子供だけではインベーダーが遊べなかった厳しい時代を生き抜いてきたシール
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 4:42 am
Just me trying to do a quick search for one of my own "toots" on Mastadon, suddenly remembering you can only search within the last week, and contemplating the irony of being on a "Digital Preservation" instance of an app intentionally designed to be temporary and disposable.
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wait a sec… mastodon deletes your tweets after a week??
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maybe it’s a server thing? it’s anarchy out there (edited)
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 8:32 am
your messages do not get deleted after a week
8:33 am
but because of the federated nature I imagine that every instance will not keep a permanent copy of your toot for a very long time
8:33 am
I assume you would find your message in search if you search on the specific instance you are on? (edited)
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Jason Scott 11/1/2023 1:04 pm
As a bonus
1:04 pm
People fucking FLIPPED OUT when the Internet Archive joined mastodon because that meant "you're going to preserve all the toots"
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wait a sec… mastodon deletes your tweets after a week??
Kate Willært 11/1/2023 2:53 pm
It doesn’t delete your toots, but search is intentionally limited by design, because they felt people searching for text in tweets was one of the things that made Twitter bad
2:56 pm
Design decisions Before I proceed, I need to delineate that the following design decisions are more about what the software nudges you towards, rather than a tamper-proof barrier against some behaviours, which is not possible. Mastodon deliberately does not support arbitrary search. If someone wants their message to be discovered, they can use a hashtag, which can be browsed. What does arbitrary search accomplish? People and brands search for their own name to self-insert into conversations they were not invited to.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/07/cage-the-mastodon/
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3:03 pm
The next sentence claims this:
What you can do, however, is search messages you posted, received or favourited. That way you can find that one message on the tip of your tongue.
But it's untrue. Maybe it's something they included for awhile in 2018 and then removed.
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Wietse van Bruggen
I assume you would find your message in search if you search on the specific instance you are on? (edited)
Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:05 pm
Nope
3:09 pm
In discussions I've seen about what functionality Mastodon should or shouldn't have, there are basically two camps: 1) A very larger number of users who just want Mastodon to function just like Twitter, because they want a Twitter replacement, and 2) A small number of users who want Mastodon to be intentionally limited, and who actually like how confusing Mastodon is to join, because they want to forever keep it a very small and quiet app that feels like the first few years of Twitter
3:09 pm
All the people involved in making the decisions are in the latter camp
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Pasokon Deacon 11/1/2023 3:15 pm
It always comes back to Eternal September, doesn't it.
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:25 pm
I don't think people in charge particularly want it t to remain confusing how to join mastodon, but there will remain some friction on how it fundamentally works regardless. The sign up process is confusing.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/1/2023 3:32 pm
even once you're signed up, following people is confusing
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:33 pm
yeah, having to copy things is a lot of friction.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/1/2023 3:33 pm
tbh i like cohost's vibe better but at least mastodon doesn't log me out every day
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:33 pm
Still, I like it, I'll keep putting energy into it. It'll die if nobody shares anything interesting. Been building up the GA mastodon account, just keep on trucking.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/1/2023 3:34 pm
but i feel like i'm sectioned off in mastodon because i signed up on an unpopular instance - even if i can follow the people i want to follow, i'm a lot less likely to discover new people to follow (edited)
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:34 pm
I don't want to put energy into something I can't search, so I'm done
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/1/2023 3:35 pm
i'm feeling the MSN-vs-AIM effect
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where one program is slightly better than the other one, but all the people are on the other one
3:35 pm
so i just... have to have both of them 😐
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:35 pm
Maybe I'm less of a searcher, I don't really use that ability regularly.
3:36 pm
Being on there has lead to interesting contacts, people coming up with things to preserve/donate.
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:37 pm
The other major problem with Mastodon is that most of the instances are run by volunteers, which the latter camp always considers a plus, but in reality it means that a certain percentage of instances will eventually go down when the volunteer can't cover the costs of growth or gets burned out (or self-destructs)...most of the comic community has been joining Hive instead because they were all burned during the first Twitter exodus years ago by joining a comics server that disappeared
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:37 pm
Definitely a risk.
3:38 pm
Still, I think its interesting tech and forums have the same risk as what you described.
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:39 pm
Yeah, and that's a problem I'm dealing with right now in researching "metroidvania," is that 95% of forums from 2000-2005 no longer exist
3:39 pm
Not a small percentage...the vast majority
3:39 pm
And that's where Mastodon is heading
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:40 pm
There are also communities who are really hesistant to move at all, had no motivation to do anything because they didn't feel affected by anything that happened on twitter, like the F1 community there. I actually think the F1 community on twitter is incredibly toxic and would really benefit from something more tightly controller and moderated.
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Yeah, and that's a problem I'm dealing with right now in researching "metroidvania," is that 95% of forums from 2000-2005 no longer exist
Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:40 pm
finding coverage from gaming websites and forums from 1999 for my dreamcast story was incredibly difficult.
3:41 pm
I mostly relied on print coverage to make that story.
3:41 pm
Another victory for paper
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/1/2023 3:44 pm
Well yes, but that's a pre-2000 story.
3:45 pm
You cannot rely on print for what Kate's doing.
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:48 pm
I think Wietse was more trying to express that he can relate, not necessarily suggesting I should find more print sources
3:49 pm
But what it comes back to is that I don't want to put energy into a social account that I think is going to disappear within the next five years
3:53 pm
Granted, people who hung out a long-gone forums back in the day may have made friends and connections in that short time, but I can't even get into forum headspace anymore...Mastodon isn't for me in a similar way that forums aren't for me
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Kate Willært
I think Wietse was more trying to express that he can relate, not necessarily suggesting I should find more print sources
Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 3:53 pm
this 🙂
3:55 pm
the point where the word starts being used in print magazines could be interesting, it could mark a point/period where the word got more widespread?
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 3:56 pm
I did thoroughly explore that as well already
3:56 pm
Though to me the most interesting non-internet bit I've found is where it likely first made it onto television... (edited)
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 4:04 pm
I kind of vague-tweeted about that a week ago. One bummer about slowly becoming more seen on the internet is that I can't use Twitter to workshop upcoming videos like I used to, because sites like Time Extension will turn it into an article before I finish the video, lol
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Wietse van Bruggen 11/1/2023 4:05 pm
lol, I definitely don't have that problem with my niche 😛
4:06 pm
I've been trying to share more during research, with the hope of more people engaging and maybe providing insight with their personal experiences, but not on twitter. Twitter is now just used to a minimum to publish about something new i've made.
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Kate Willært 11/1/2023 4:10 pm
Yeah, the best part of social media is sharing a bit of research when you feel like there might be something more but you're stuck, and then a commenter pops up with new potential directions to explore
4:14 pm
But I might have to switch to mainly using Discord servers for that now
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1980年代から1990年代半ばまでに限定したパソコンのゲームミュージックをインターネットラジオで配信しています。
7:49 pm
I love that this site continues to exist and looks exactly the same as it did 15ish years ago...
7:51 pm
My heart skipped a beat when I noticed it wasn't showing up on radio garden, but I guess radio garden just purged a lot of streaming stations from their own list. Thankfully this is still running as it always is.
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Pasokon Deacon 11/1/2023 7:55 pm
Webmaster keeps working on it, too. The effort put into pages with CSS recreations of box blurbs always stands out to me. A real labor of love.
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Yeah, I was surprised to see they have a pretty active twitter still too.
8:03 pm
Turns out radio garden didn't purge it, but chrome was blocking the station from streaming since it deemed it not secure, also radio garden, while nice, tends to forget my favorites and has kind of a shitty search function.
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Phil Salvador 11/1/2023 9:07 pm
MAGFest COVID numbers are really promising this year. Last year, on the Monday after event, 45 people tested positive. This time it's only 8, despite the event having nearly double attendance https://super.magfest.org/covid
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/1/2023 9:13 pm
is this good policy at work, do you think? or people getting smarter about not going if they're sick
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/1/2023 9:14 pm
They were enforcing people being vaccinated and masked pretty strongly this year so that was probably a factor. Also maybe that the booster is pretty good against the current variants vs last year’s omicron surge
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Phil Salvador 11/1/2023 9:24 pm
Yeah, stronger vaccines, lower transmission. strong mask enforcement
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Pasokon Deacon 11/1/2023 11:01 pm
Very nice numbers for sure. Somehow I'm utterly unsurprised that 2 cases were traced to the soapbox room. I definitely saw & gave side-eye to some not wearing their masks for a time. I'm just glad marketplace cases aren't as huge as I'd expect.
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Warner Bros. issues takedown for Mortal Kombat II source code leak https://t.co/H4A0n3G1ri
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(thinking it's Mortal Kombat 11)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
tbh i like cohost's vibe better but at least mastodon doesn't log me out every day
I'm enjoying Cohost! Supposedly they're fixing, or have already fixed, the logout thing.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 12:35 am
have not seen this fix yet, but i do use two devices so it might be a "works as designed" thing
12:35 am
which bothers me for a different reason
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we're back online after a brief outage. you may notice that some recent posts aren't showing on your timeline, but we're working on getting things fixed. don't worry, nothing has been lost! we deployed a fix today that we hoped would give us a new tool that would help manage the memory usage of the cache that stores everyone's sessions + dashbo...
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 5:47 pm
Thank you @AtariSpot
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lolll
5:49 pm
what's in the box, dizzy?
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 5:53 pm
Arcade show brochures!
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simonc
what's in the box, dizzy?
"oh god, it's just the top half of an egg shell and some yolk!"
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I see what you did there, but honestly @Phil Salvador would probably be completely fine with that…
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 6:20 pm
Not if the egg got on precious price guides
6:20 pm
(I was wrong, they're price guides, not show brochures)
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It's him
6:44 pm
Bruce
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"oh god, it's just the top half of an egg shell and some yolk!"
Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 6:57 pm
(BGM: Theme from The Godfather)
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Phil Salvador
Thank you @AtariSpot
The USPS told me I could have just put “Dizzy’s #1 Fan” on there and skipped the rest of the address — it’s like mailing something to Santa Claus
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 8:56 pm
lmao
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Bruce...
10:08 pm
Bruce, going up against the hero, Lock Man.
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i was thinking "where the hell did they get Bruce." but i'm guessing a poor translation of Blues?
10:34 pm
i wish he was named Bruce though tbh
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 10:44 pm
Bruce... Springsteen, that is.
10:46 pm
Pictured: Bruce, Lock Man's evil twin brother.
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So on GameCube if you power it on without a disc go into BIOS, then enter a disc you can see a little sentence about the game. On dolphin I found they're put here in this description box. I want to know would there happen to be an easier way to grab all the descriptions than checking every single one manually?
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 11:36 pm
Looking through their Github, it looks like the descriptions aren't built into Dolphin's database by default, so they might be grabbing it from each ISO?
11:36 pm
I was hoping there would be a giant plaintext file with all of them, but no luck (edited)
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so is checking them all one by the one the way to go
11:37 pm
I can do that I just don't know computer wizardry very well and hoped maybe there was something easier
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 11:38 pm
I don't have Dolphin handy, but maybe it's storing all that in an easily accessible file? Like if you load in 100 games, there might be a file with all 100 entries or something
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 11:40 pm
my first thought is that, if the game list has column headers, try right clicking on one of those and see if it lets you enable a Description column
11:41 pm
I'm not at home though and don't have a copy of the program handy to check
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 11:41 pm
ah, nice!
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that looks like it!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 11:42 pm
score one for consistent UI design!
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time to figure out how to download every single gamecube game to my computer
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 11:42 pm
internet archive and the keyword "redump" is a start
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it's more of a space issue but I appreciate it :)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/1/2023 11:43 pm
True, true 😊
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thank you so much!
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Phil Salvador 12/1/2023 11:44 pm
From poking around Github, it looks like the data on each game is stored as a GameFile, but IDK where that saves or what format it is. But hypothetically, you could use something like Notepad++ to search all the GameFiles and grab them en masse that way once you have them all? (edited)
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"once you have them all"
11:48 pm
I feel very unqualified to do this haha
11:48 pm
I appreciate your help!
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Frank Cifaldi 13/1/2023 1:06 am
I must be getting better at icebreaking, my response rate to being a weirdo on linkedin asking people about unreleased games these past few weeks is 50% of the 52 I sent, and one of those 52 is a dead person
1:07 am
I was expecting 10? 20?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 2:03 am
well if we exclude the departed from the total count that gets you a better-than-half success rate
2:04 am
this is only a good thing for your frankometrics 📈 ludwig (edited)
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Dylan Mansfield 13/1/2023 2:10 am
meanwhile: someone I spoke to in July 2019 just emailed me again saying "hey I never forgot about you I’m still looking for my old dev stuff"
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Phil Salvador
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Kate Willært 13/1/2023 3:27 am
"Sorry for the decay"
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"once you have them all"
Least Weasel 13/1/2023 10:53 am
I was going to ask if we could get a shot of the bookshelf with the complete NTSC GameCube library
10:53 am
And then if we could wave money-we-don't-have at it
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I mean, I think all regions have them
10:54 am
Some even say "this title not available in Dutch"
10:55 am
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How fun!
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I feel very unqualified to do this haha
Matt Clawson 13/1/2023 3:30 pm
that's just the first step to becoming qualified 🙂
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Phil Salvador 13/1/2023 3:38 pm
I was thinking about it again, and it was like... how has nobody made a list of all these yet? You could be the first!
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Frank Cifaldi 13/1/2023 3:39 pm
It's a good Twitter bot, banner & description
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I was thinking about it again, and it was like... how has nobody made a list of all these yet? You could be the first!
I make to make lists no one else apparently has, haha
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[ez-toc] Or paper sleeves, card sleeves, slip sleeves, slip cases, slip covers, cardboard slips, paper slips, card slips – turns out no one can agree what to call these things. This list is p…
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I'm gonna guess because the only way to see the sentences is kinda weird in that you need to power on the gamecube and then put the game in, nobody knows they're there (edited)
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God, nothing makes me feel more OCD than a non-standard video game box.
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I apologize, I think they're kinda neat
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Phil Salvador 13/1/2023 5:03 pm
Hell yeah that's awesome
5:03 pm
When we talk about finding your niche in game history documentation, this is an example I'd never even thought of
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Thanks xD I've been making dumb lists since I was a kid and my friend was like you need to get these out of your Google drive and onto the internet so I've been slowly migrating stuff
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:07 pm
i love these database type things sometimes
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It's so cool to even find when other people have already made a project like the video game library, console variations, and delisted games. Even smaller stuff like all the new 3DS cover plates and all the gamecube memory card stickers are already covered!
5:07 pm
Me too :)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:08 pm
they can be an art form in themselves, even if the reason they exist is for Standards Compliance
5:08 pm
like how every 3ds game plays a musical jingle when you highlight it? love that! especially how some of them don't play music
5:09 pm
like The Starship Damrey, a game that has almost no music in it at all - you just hear the ships computer, Welcome, Mister Guest.
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Yeah there's lots of stuff like that that is not documented and then sometimes it's like http://www.vgmuseum.com/features/icons/ oh huh someone did compile all the DS menu icons, awesome!!
Nintendo DS Icons
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:11 pm
vgmuseum does the lord's work
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Truly
5:11 pm
Some of those game boy error screens are so cool like the Pokemon ones have uknown that match the language the game is in
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:12 pm
i think they also have galleries of error messages for GBC games being run in mono, PC Engine CD games being run on too old of a system card, and also for having no free backup ram
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Never would've known that without them
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:12 pm
stuff you'll almost never see without searching for it
5:13 pm
and the devs just go all out with it in some cases! like the dracula X mini game
5:14 pm
i wonder if anybody's compiled a gallery of the audio warnings from pce CD and Dreamcast games that warn you not to play them on a CD player
5:14 pm
some of those are pretty great!
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I didn't know about those xD
5:15 pm
That would be cool to see
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/1/2023 5:15 pm
Seaman for Dreamcast has the titular creature warn you that you "risk transmitting deadly viral diseases through your household appliances. (Geez, some people.)"
5:17 pm
and Dracula X features an adorable skit between Richter and Maria where she's explaining that CD track 2 contains the game data and can damage your speakers, which Richter initially praises her for being smart until he finds she's been reading it off a piece of paper
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What the heck xD
5:32 pm
Man I love game devs
5:32 pm
They make everything fun even when they dont have to
5:32 pm
It's beautiful
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/1/2023 5:33 pm
my fav is still SNK just throwing Yosaku on KOF battle de paradise if you play it on a B&W Neo Geo Pocket
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Phil Salvador 13/1/2023 5:59 pm
Love this warning screen for Madden 2K2
6:18 pm
I love all the ones of the characters looking disappointed
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Also shout out to Pocket Music for having two
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Skyevlyn
I apologize, I think they're kinda neat
haha, sorry, no need to apologize! I was being flippant. 🙂 I can understand why other people think they're cool!
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Oh I see! I'm glad :)
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I like when games do weird stuff like that
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 13/1/2023 8:06 pm
feels like it deserves at least a "Yu-Gi-Oh-Noooooo!" on that second screen
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If I may post a bunch of photos about the Pokemon Crystal error screen cuz it really is super cool
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so the unown here say "Crystal"
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"Cristallo"
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"Cristal"
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"Kristall"
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and "Cristal"
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That is such a cool attention to detail for such a minor screen!!
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they literally changed the unown shown to match the spelling of crystal in that language they didn't even need to show unown at all, let alone change them for each region, I seriously love that so much
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Mike Bentley 14/1/2023 1:10 am
I don't suppose they use the unown font in any other locations?
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in other words, I wonder if this was an unintentional choice of just updating that language string, or if they specially updated the images
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the unown is a font? I didn't consider that
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Mike Bentley 14/1/2023 1:13 am
I don't know if this is the case, but if it is I could see a localizer being tasked with going through all strings and "Crystal" as it appears here was just one of those
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interesting!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/1/2023 1:42 am
there's already font logic for the Unown in the game, iirc, as they were tied to a function in game to send messages encoded in Unown to the game boy printer
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Still though - the fact that they would have pulled said font logic into this screen for the logo instead of pulling in the "Crystal Version" text tiles
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
there's already font logic for the Unown in the game, iirc, as they were tied to a function in game to send messages encoded in Unown to the game boy printer
oh I LOVE that!! game boy printer ;U;
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and I really had no idea there was a font
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I thought it was an image for sure
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/1/2023 1:45 am
Always wanted a GB Printer, myself, but I'm told getting the paper for it is hard
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that some people have been buying rolls of thermal paper meant for slightly larger printers and then shearing off a chunk of it so that it fits
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I've heard you can cut it down
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yep XD
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I love that this is a video game related photo
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I'm so sad we never got the hello kitty one :(
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Frank Cifaldi 14/1/2023 2:32 am
Talked to someone high up at Nintendo Lot Check about the process in the 90s, gooooood stuff. Day Dreamin' Davey had the most rejections of any game
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I looked it up, submission starts at 0.0 and increments as 0.1 etc , the manufactured Davey ROM is 0.H
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There's only four that even get to letters at all
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They had some systems they called the Silent Service systems because that game, and only that game, crashed on them
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Frank Cifaldi 14/1/2023 2:47 am
Games got tested on somewhere around 11 hardware revisions of the NES, and if they crashed on one you'd get bounced. And Nintendo did not provide specific revisions to the devs for testing soooooo good luck
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/1/2023 4:47 am
It deserves it though
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I wonder, does the GB printer work with the Pocket?
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Oh, it does.
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I think it might even work with the GBA?
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it does, it can even work with the gameboy player
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the printer actually comes with the universal link cable
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Frank Cifaldi
I looked it up, submission starts at 0.0 and increments as 0.1 etc , the manufactured Davey ROM is 0.H
amazing
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Can we obtain the IP for a homebrew developer? No need to stop at H here. Still meat on that bone, improvements to be made until the game is better than SMB3.
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@Frank Cifaldi That makes sense i remember seeing it previewed in Nintendo Power waaay before it came out in stores.
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I'm probably late to the game here but it was cool to hear @Frank Cifaldi get a shout out by Digital Eclipse in the recent Retronauts podcast episode about retro compilations!
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Frank Cifaldi 16/1/2023 9:15 pm
oh neat
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thanks, whoever did that
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hopefully I don't talk about it too much but I'm proud of what I helped start there and tbh it still feels like unfinished work for me, hopefully it isn't an itch I still have on my death bed
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atari 50 is getting so close to my wildest dreams for these
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I really need to get that..
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I absolutely loved SNK40, Lion King/Aladdin/Junglebook, and the Cowabunga Collections.
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Frank Cifaldi
atari 50 is getting so close to my wildest dreams for these
when you say “so close,” what more would you like to see?
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Frank Cifaldi 16/1/2023 9:43 pm
all my ideas are pretty fuzzy and philosophical, like I want to rethink the very idea of what it means to interact with something on a screen and how that would help you better understand a game. altering physics in real time to understand why a jump feels good, in-engine walkthroughs of how different parts of the game engine work, weird stuff like that
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"Understanding Comics" but for individual game titles
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/1/2023 9:47 pm
Have you seen Game Maker's Toolkit's interactive platformer thing?
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Frank Cifaldi 16/1/2023 9:48 pm
I have not!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/1/2023 9:49 pm
That is a very good example of how you could implement some of that concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWi0jgghGcI
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Plus people like Displaced Gamers who have been showing how to implement such stuff at a more technical level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_edefG5lfs (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 16/1/2023 9:50 pm
I want everyone to have the spiritual experience I had learning basic SCUMM and building rooms in Monkey Island and seeing how all the tools talk to each other. This was my favorite game, the one I thought about more than any other, and I appreciate it on an even deeper level now. It didn't ruin the magic, it enhanced it, and I want to share that feeling.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/1/2023 9:52 pm
You did well on the stream. But there is still a lot of barriers that go into creation that some people just will not enjoy. Mario Maker is the most successful standalone kit for this, with stuff like Roblox in the background.
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Frank Cifaldi 16/1/2023 9:52 pm
it's a design challenge that has not been attempted, not an impossibility
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you can understand concepts without full control
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/1/2023 9:54 pm
Right, and I think GMTK's thing does an excellent job. Having built those controllers before through scripting, it gives an excellent window into the decisions designers have to make. (edited)
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I can totally imagine on a collection having one game dedicated to a whole breakdown of the game itself. Imagine something like Ninja Gaiden. Point out things like sprite limits, colors, scrolling, etc.
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Phil Salvador 16/1/2023 10:02 pm
Frank, keep that "Understanding Comics for games" comparison in your back pocket in case Will Wrigth ever stops by, he loves Understanding Comics
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/1/2023 10:40 pm
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I just learned yesterday from his stepdaughter that Al Remmers died last year. The founder of California Pacific, he was one of the first real publishers and distributors in the computer game industry and jumpstarted the careers of both Bill Budge and Richard Garriott. Often dismissed due to Richard's recollections as "the cokehead who snorted away California Pacific's profits," the real story is more nuanced and tragic, but at least came with a happy ending for Al himself if not for his company. I had the privilege of interviewing Al back in 2021, and @Jeffrey - TCW and I covered California Pacific in detail on my podcast last year. https://www.davisenterprise.com/obits/alvin-earl-remmers/ http://podcast.theycreateworlds.com/e/california-pacific/
d. Oct. 19, 2022 Alvin “Al” Earl Remmers, 80, of Davis passed away on Oct. 19, 2022, from…
TCW Podcast Episode 163 - California Pacific   We look at the company California Pacific. Founded by Al Remmers the company played a large role in launching the careers of Bill Budge and Richard Garriott. Al Remmers was in a unique position as a publisher. He had contacts with retailers spanning the entire country. In a way California Pacific wa...
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Jason Scott 17/1/2023 10:09 pm
Skidding into the channel to argue with Frank about RLM Tapes
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Frank Cifaldi 17/1/2023 10:24 pm
oh, hi
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Jason Scott 17/1/2023 10:27 pm
I'm not going to do this
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I'm too busy
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Frank Cifaldi 17/1/2023 10:27 pm
ok!
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Although arguing with me about what to preserve....
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Matt Clawson 17/1/2023 11:59 pm
Does anyone here work on fan localization projects and have interest in speaking with me, some rando, about common challenges you face across projects. Either as a developer implementing tooling or as a user of tools or workflows used for managing in progress localized text? (to elaborate, I am presently collaborating on one such project and I'm curious to find out if our custom CMS solution might be useful and generalizable to help other projects) (edited)
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Jason Scott
Although arguing with me about what to preserve....
i now have my first archival task after i build my NAS
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Matt Clawson
Does anyone here work on fan localization projects and have interest in speaking with me, some rando, about common challenges you face across projects. Either as a developer implementing tooling or as a user of tools or workflows used for managing in progress localized text? (to elaborate, I am presently collaborating on one such project and I'm curious to find out if our custom CMS solution might be useful and generalizable to help other projects) (edited)
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/1/2023 12:23 am
@Pasokon Deacon i think has some connections to fan translation groups
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Pasokon Deacon 18/1/2023 12:25 am
Yes, I can ask if some of my Geofront/Eight Mansions group moots would be interested in discussing that.
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Pasokon Deacon
Yes, I can ask if some of my Geofront/Eight Mansions group moots would be interested in discussing that.
Matt Clawson 18/1/2023 12:27 am
No pressure, if not interested!! Thanks.
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Pasokon Deacon 18/1/2023 12:30 am
I'm interested, but I've only ever done QA & some light editing for a few projects, so I'd rather connect you to others who've been working with such tools.
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 2:21 am
hello VGHF friends! i'm writing a Boss Fights Book on everyone's favorite mascot GEX! gexjr gexjr gexjr i'd love to hear from anyone who has anything interesting to say about my perfect green boy or related content (like re: the 3DO since it'll probably be the only time that console gets discussed in one of these books lmao)
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 2:33 am
Oh my god of course you are
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Oh boy
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Garfield: Caught in the Act wishes it was a cool and competent as the original Gex.
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 3:05 am
If Gex was made today, would he be chronically online, or would he be addicted to streaming?
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The idea of Gex in the Meme Dimension fills me with dread but it feels inevitable
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 3:06 am
he would probably be binge-watching everything and making bad "netflix and chill" jokes
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:06 am
does "made today" mean like he was an original concept and never existed in the 90s or like if he was rebooted
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 3:06 am
"It's easy to Netflix and chill when you're cold-blooded!" (edited)
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Either honestly
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:07 am
personally i always thought he would get the god of war treatment
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total dadification (edited)
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i would like to share this mockup i made just one potential direction for gex to go in his inevitable reboot - in which his new son, Gex Jr, has to teach him about the internet, memes, flame wars, and last but not least: how to love again.
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he has a lot of hard lessons to learn about being a dad considering he lost his and has so much trauma about that
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:09 am
Okay I want your opinion @izzy (she/her)
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 3:09 am
Oh smart. Gex is still going "wazzzaaap" and Gex Jr. is doing the Renegade dance
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:09 am
Is Gex Jr. young Gex or is he Gex’s son?
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:09 am
okay
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i have strong feelings about this
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i know there's that person that got interviewed and said it was gex but like, de-aged temporarily
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i don't buy that. i think it's gex's son
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why would he be talking about blues clues and stuff otherwise
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Gex Sr. doesn't know or care about blues clues
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i know there's that person that got interviewed and said it was gex but like, de-aged temporarily
Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:21 am
now I’m just imagining that Gex Jr. is just regularly-aged Gex but with the mind of a toddler
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:21 am
hmmmm that's interesting
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:23 am
or it’s a Benjamin Button-type thing
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:25 am
benjamin button but with gex
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exploring movie history
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i guess the Gex Engine was used for Soul Reaver?
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that's kinda cool
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izzy (she/her)
benjamin button but with gex
Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:26 am
also directed by David Fincher
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i guess the Gex Engine was used for Soul Reaver?
izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:27 am
woah really? i didn't know that
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(reading about it now)
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back in the days before easy to use game engines, there were all kinds of weird self-rolled engines i guess
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:30 am
An introduction to the game engine used by Soul Reaver (and most subsequent Legacy of Kain games).
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...as soon as Raziel lands, Gex detects that a valid entrance/exit point was not used, and refuses to draw vlad 6 or stream terrain data from the rooms that it connects to. In this shot, Raziel is looking back in the direction of cdrack 1 and can see it just fine, but vlad 6 is invisible. It is still there, but Gex won't draw it and if Raziel reaches an entrance/exit point in the invisible area and tries to go through it, he will fall into nothingness because Gex isn't streaming in new areas.
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i love how they just start calling it "Gex" instead of "Gex Engine" and it sounds like Gex is god of Raziel's world
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 3:32 am
@izzy (she/her) not sure if you've seen this but here’s a write-up about Gex’s development from 1997 from one of the team members https://games.greggman.com/game/gex/
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someone shared it here a couple months ago
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 3:32 am
oh yes, i certainly have
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but thank you for sharing, it is a good resource 🙂
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i did also search "gex" on here right before posting and scrolled all the way back until i started seeing my own posts from 2018 lmao
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so i am up to speed on what y'all have been discussing mostly (like the $1,500 n64 prototype)
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izzy (she/her)
hello VGHF friends! i'm writing a Boss Fights Book on everyone's favorite mascot GEX! gexjr gexjr gexjr i'd love to hear from anyone who has anything interesting to say about my perfect green boy or related content (like re: the 3DO since it'll probably be the only time that console gets discussed in one of these books lmao)
Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 3:59 am
I think the original Gex is a pretty solid game but nobody realizes it because the canon version is the inferior PS1 port, the 3DO original runs at 60fps and feels significantly better to play
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Like yeah he's a weird 90s relic that is the butt of jokes but it's like, what if Bubsy actually had a solid game?
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Gex is tricked into consuming a poison by the Black Organization from Detective Conan which transforms him from a pop culture gecko to a younger pop culture gecko.....
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Frank Cifaldi
I think the original Gex is a pretty solid game but nobody realizes it because the canon version is the inferior PS1 port, the 3DO original runs at 60fps and feels significantly better to play
izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 4:04 am
i wonder how much my affinity for gex has to do with the fact that i played the 3do version when i was a kid
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that is the canon version to me
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My first encounter with him was Enter the Gecko on the N64. I'd rent it pretty frequently since it was actually pretty fun. I liked the hub world, and the really stupid random scream that happens in the haunted house (castle?) level.
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When I was playing it with a friend, he casually dropped that he had the first game. I wasn't actually ready for it to be 2D, but I enjoyed it (it was the PSX version tho).
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I haven't tried the 3DO one yet.
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:07 am
I bought Enter the Gecko for N64 as a kid after being jealous of my brother getting to enjoy it on the fancy pants Playstation that got so many more good games than N64
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after awhile I realized its just not a great port and bought plastic wrapping paper that I applied with a blow dryer
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then returned it to Target pretending I never opened it
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no ragerts, that port sucked
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I've been playing the PSX version more, recently.
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:08 am
I hated how the voice keeps repeating the same lines much more frequently, and also the Chinatown level had its music ruined
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the extra Titanic level felt like an afterthought bonus stage that wasnt anything special
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the PS1 version was hyped a lot back then since the PSX didn't have so many "Mario 64 clones" yet
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great memories rushing to see the latest previews in magazines
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 4:10 am
gex 3d is hard to go back to, because of that camera system, but it at least still manages to be interesting if not particularly amazing
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:11 am
Gex 3 overall is the better one, Gex 2 in retrospect feels a bit more empty
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 4:11 am
if anyone is looking for an excuse to play gex 2, we're going to start talking about it on the podcast http://oralgex.com/
THE #1 Fancast about everyone's favorite 90s video game mascot, GEX™! Hosted by Izzy Kestrel & Emilia Lazer-Walker
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 4:11 am
i'm also gonna be the guy who says he prefers the UK dubs of the 3d games
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 4:11 am
(been on a months long hiatus after finishing the first one but it's soon to be tail time once again)
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:12 am
oh wow the late 90s internet is back 😄
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I'll check it out
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/1/2023 4:16 am
I’ve only really played 3do gex and yeah it’s pretty good
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:16 am
@izzy (she/her) cool personal site btw ;p
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or should I say portfolio site
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is it all CSS?
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:18 am
ah I see, yeah I had a point studying webdev and this is the sort of portfolio site that I'd think would get some attention 😛
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 4:19 am
i'm pretty sure it got me my job at funomena, everyone i interviewed with couldn't stop talking about it lol
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:20 am
yeah anyone who knows the torment of wanting to make something that catches others eyes will definitely notice it lol
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:37 am
you guys need to get Dana Gould on somehow sometime btw 😄
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think I heard before he apparently doesn't like talking about Gex or something
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but that'd be, well, something, to hear him reflect on all of it again
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there's really no retrospective interview with him about his time there afaik
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think I heard before he apparently doesn't like talking about Gex or something
izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 4:41 am
yeah i've heard this too
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i'm hoping at a minimum i can get a quote from him for the book
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"I do not remember working on Gex and I don't wish to" - Dana Gould
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if i can have that on the back cover i don't really care what else i put in the book
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:42 am
lol
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gotta wonder what was so bad about it for him
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 4:43 am
Underrated standup and TV writer, who plays Comedy Bar Feb. 18 to 29, is fine with not being widely known.
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billscat-socks 18/1/2023 4:44 am
Wonder by movement for Gex 4 he just meant some people online say they want it
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at least it sounds like he hasnt completely dismissed it from his life
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Dylan Mansfield 18/1/2023 4:47 am
@mizabitha The big difference between Gex and Ben Shapiro is that Gex is taller and less reptilian.
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make this an epigraph for the book
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 4:55 am
I do like the idea of shitpost book blurbs, which feels like an advanced art
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One of my favorites is one of John Hodgman's fake almanac books, for which (for complicated reasons) he got a blurb from the High Priest of the Church of Satan (edited)
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 5:00 am
that was 2016, i wonder if there was some traumatic event that happened since that started the rumor that he doesn't like gex
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i will make it my mission to find out
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i'm really interested in the localized voiceover stuff
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like some Japanese comedian did the Japanese voice right?
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were there other local 'personality' voices?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 5:22 am
i vaguely recall his voice was removed in one of the japanese releases? it's been years
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'. In the North American version, Gex is voiced by comedian Dana Gould; the United Kingdom version features Gould, Leslie Phillips and Danny John-Jules as Gex's voice. Gex was voiced by Mitsuo Senda for the Japanese release of the second game'
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oh, danny john-jules!
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cat from Red Dwarf 😛
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/1/2023 5:23 am
John Jules as Gex sounds amazing
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there's, like, Alton Towers jokes? lol
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maybe he was only gex 3?
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i see kelsey tweeted about some of this 18 months ago (but not danny john-jules)
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@SpreeDawg @kelslewin An example is that Gex/Reno says "Natsu da! Umi da! Okinawa da! Naha! naha! naha!" which Mitsuo Senda also says in a Beatmania game https://t.co/96N7EwJhtz Maybe it's a classic bit for him? Is this line also the name of a song?
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need to get someone to explain Mitsuo Senda jokes to you
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i can explain british jokes just fine
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John Jules as Gex is a good choice.
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 5:36 am
wow yeah i need to know more about the japanese localization. i knew he was silent in the first game and i guess just forgot it was different in the sequels
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 5:38 am
somebody did dub him in the intro movie for the first game, don't know if that was the same guy though
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@izzy (she/her) Have you done a deep dive on the newspapers yet? Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Dana Gould or anyone did a publicity run, at least for the initial release. But, Gex was pretty much positioned as the mascot character immediately, and critics were lovin' him.
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Got a review in the Post in May 1995.
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Also, even as early as June 1995, it was a pack-in with a 3DO, which was already price cut to $199.
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(There's other positive reviews from the Chicago Tribune, LA Times and Hartford Curant, but released more near Christmas time.)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/1/2023 1:15 pm
The only other thing I know about Gould is that the was one of the writers on the Simpsons during the Scully years who was extra mean in his jokes
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@izzy (she/her) Have you done a deep dive on the newspapers yet? Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Dana Gould or anyone did a publicity run, at least for the initial release. But, Gex was pretty much positioned as the mascot character immediately, and critics were lovin' him.
izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 1:42 pm
def gonna look into those newspaper reviews! thanks!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
The only other thing I know about Gould is that the was one of the writers on the Simpsons during the Scully years who was extra mean in his jokes
izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 1:43 pm
i knew he wrote for the simpsons but i didn’t know what era, that’s also very helpful to know!
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def gonna look into those newspaper reviews! thanks!
Also around at the same time are a publicly traded stock GEX, and a Baltimore-based Internet company Digex, so you do get a ton of results on a search. 🙂 But, it's not too daunting to filter the results.
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 2:11 pm
that's good to know regardless bc Gex would have definitely bought GEX stock
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new atari console?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 8:51 pm
God, another one?
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looks like it's a coproduction
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 9:18 pm
Okay what if you got 100 gecs to do a forward for the Gex book
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 9:22 pm
okay i DO have them on my old list of potential podcast guests but i had not thought about them for the book
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 9:37 pm
yeah we should put together a care package for you
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/1/2023 9:37 pm
Clan? Is Gex Wu Tang?
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 9:38 pm
Never reveal the Gex secret
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 9:38 pm
I guess they were really pushing the "He's nobody's stuffed animal!" thing
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get kelsey's permission if you want to use this photo of me being upset as the book cover, as she took this
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we must scour every radio recording from november and december 1994 and find the gex commercial
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ok I give up what's a "buff book"
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god.
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:12 pm
jason you misspelled your email address in the comments
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:19 pm
omg @Frank Cifaldi this is all incredible. yes please give me all your gex resources
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I just feel the need to point out that John Wayne Bobbitt is mentioned in this copy, jesus christ
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/1/2023 10:20 pm
twice!
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Oof, this one too. And: "Can look down blouses when hanging from ceiling." We're gonna have to cancel Gex now.
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:21 pm
@izzy (she/her) will share a PDF soon
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10:21 pm
I'll drop it here for all the gex fans
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:23 pm
years of donating to the VGHF have finally paid off
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thank you
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:23 pm
lol
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here's some digital art
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:25 pm
dear god
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what is happening to her torso
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i wonder if they didn't have a copy without the logo in front of it so they had to edit it out
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:26 pm
she got liefelded
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:27 pm
also: who wore it best
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:28 pm
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:30 pm
damn....i have those same headphones
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:30 pm
Can you recreate every Gex publicity photo
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:32 pm
the person i asked to do that commission was very excited about it so yes probably
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OH you mean the picture of dana
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yes i can do that too
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:32 pm
Every picture with a human related to Gex
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:33 pm
also if anyone can get me into crystal dynamics HQ around GDC time i have business there https://gex.fandom.com/wiki/Statue
The Gex Statue is a giant character statue located at Crystal Dynamics's studio. It was created either before or after the release of Gex: Enter the Gecko, and is based on Gex's appearance in that game. It features Gex in his trademark tuxedo standing on top of a red box sporting the series's logo. This is one of many statues located around Crys...
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:33 pm
oh hang on
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:34 pm
i'm going to wear my wedding dress next to him
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Just watch out for his hands
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:37 pm
aha found it
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duckface selfie with that exact statue
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from 2014
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when duckface was a thing
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fucked up looking duck if you ask me
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:39 pm
jealous
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:39 pm
they didn't let me take him but I took kane & lynch and put them behind the front door at the old digital eclipse office, people screamed when they walked in. kinda mean. sorry.
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:40 pm
Kane and Lynch are still in the Digital Eclipse office and they still terrify me (edited)
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Now I think they're just like... dismembered and lying on the floor
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:40 pm
i was about to ask if he was still in the "cluttered room" but judging by the cardboard it looks like it
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:41 pm
he was in the old eidos u.s. office when they were cleaning out, I took this photo
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:42 pm
incredible
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damn they were so proud of their top 5 spot in the CBS Toy Test
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:43 pm
As soon as I saw that picture, Celebration by Vitamin C went through my head
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Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 10:45 pm
lol I put the shao khan helmet from the unreleased mortal kombat hd game they were doing onto...whichever kane or lynch this is
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:48 pm
Okay I looked into Toy Test, it was a three-week event sponsored by CBS This Morning that used to happen at the Seattle Pacific Science Center, where companies brought all their new games/toys for focus testing by kids
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It was like E3 awards but by voted on by children
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... so you're saying it was like the E3 awards.
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:49 pm
The only extensive coverage I can find right now is an article in Atari Explorer Online, Volume 4 Issue 7, which only covered the Jaguar
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Also it would be fascinating to see a tape of that.
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Phil Salvador 18/1/2023 10:50 pm
I'm guessing the Museum of Play would more likely have resources about this, since it wasn't exclusively video games
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:53 pm
i didn't know gex was rocking oakleys
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lol I put the shao khan helmet from the unreleased mortal kombat hd game they were doing onto...whichever kane or lynch this is
Extremely rare photo of Forthright Cifaldi. Highly valuable. oh, nevermind, I read that as "I put on" lol. I thought it strange the helmet had a goatee (edited)
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 10:58 pm
so here's something i've been trying to sort out recently - running gex 2 on an emulator doesn't seem to properly support analog (you can enable it but it's just 8 direction on the stick)
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For Gex: Enter the Gecko on the PlayStation, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Analog control on PSN version?".
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oh damn you can really see the oakleys® here
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I step away for a while to do some work and suddenly it's Christmas day again with Gex
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Extremely rare photo of Forthright Cifaldi. Highly valuable. oh, nevermind, I read that as "I put on" lol. I thought it strange the helmet had a goatee (edited)
Frank Cifaldi 18/1/2023 11:09 pm
oh yeah I haven't had a goatee since my early 20s
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Interesting. If I remember correctly (since I looked into this games music last year I think) the original Japanese release has different music for the radio stations than the western releases that contains the stolen tracks. So the people responsible for adding the stolen music were likely California-based shovelware pushers Conspiracy Entertainment, assuming they were the ones who localized the game, as their US release pre-dates System 3's EU release.
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 11:23 pm
aside from marrying the life-sized statue the other thing high on my gex wishlist is higher res versions of the concept art they show in the "secret ending" for the first game https://youtu.be/e--UKFlqFWg?t=505
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These are pretty cute
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Interesting. If I remember correctly (since I looked into this games music last year I think) the original Japanese release has different music for the radio stations than the western releases that contains the stolen tracks. So the people responsible for adding the stolen music were likely California-based shovelware pushers Conspiracy Entertainment, assuming they were the ones who localized the game, as their US release pre-dates System 3's EU release.
Conspiracy Entertainment were sketchy-adjacent, as I recall.
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(mind you so were System 3, lol)
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also if anyone can get me into crystal dynamics HQ around GDC time i have business there https://gex.fandom.com/wiki/Statue
However it's been known to move around to other parts of the studio
is this thing an scp
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izzy (she/her) 18/1/2023 11:33 pm
probably
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Conspiracy Entertainment were sketchy-adjacent, as I recall.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. The game has two radio stations, one which contains a few rock tracks (3 from a group called The Push King who are credited in the manual so are presumably licensed, and one from The Waking Hours who aren't credits), and the other contains instrumental music some of which is from Michael Walthius (the rest is unknown but given the fact that Michael's tracks were stolen it is likely the rest were stolen from online too).
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The original Japanese stations were much more elaborate with actual DJs rather than just a few tracks on loop like the western release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjMthGVjaiw
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Kate Willært 19/1/2023 12:34 am
Please tell me as I catch up on scrolling that someone is going to reveal there was a stuffed animal
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izzy (she/her) 19/1/2023 12:37 am
The Gex Gecko Plush is an 8 inch plush toy produced by Bensussen Deutsch & Associates, Inc. (BD&A). It is an inarticulate bean bag doll made from 100% polyester fiber. The suit on the doll is made from a velvet-like material, and the mouth appears to have a black teeth outline that has faded or rubbed off with age. The faded teeth outline is a c...
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tfw u can't bring urself to spend $75 on an officially licensed gex plush
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Kate Willært 19/1/2023 12:47 am
Browsing the Crystal Dynamics page to see what other IP they own, and saw this interesting bit:
On January 3, 2012, studio community manager Meagan Marie said that the studio would be revealing a new intellectual property (IP) in 2012.[43] In a podcast, released on June 23, 2012, executive producer Scot Amos said Crystal Dynamics new IP will be "fresh and familiar" and offer a similar experience to the new Tomb Raider game.[44] This was followed by Tomb Raider in 2013, a reboot which introduced a new backstory for Lara.
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Was Tomb Raider 2013 supposed to be an original IP that they unceremoniously stapled Lara Croft onto?
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Oh wait, everything is owned by Embracer now
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So who would appear alongside Gex in an Embracer Kart?
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izzy (she/her) 19/1/2023 12:51 am
damn...who wouldn't at this point
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Kate Willært 19/1/2023 12:52 am
Duke Nukem for sure, obvs
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Lara Croft, the guy from Deus Ex, the guy from Timesplitters, someone from Borderlands
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Hmm, I should try out Choro-Q HG 2
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Kate Willært 19/1/2023 12:57 am
I don't know how you'd even go about figuring out what all IP they own now, because, IIRC, the THQ IP got split up a bit...though maybe Embracer bought up all the different companies that all went to, lol
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I was playing a similar "game" recently with someone where we were trying to figure out what all HarperCollins owns if someone wanted to, say, do an epic Edutainment crossover
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And the conclusion we came to was everything...HarperCollins literally owns like every Edutainment IP created at least before 1998
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Frank Cifaldi
jason you misspelled your email address in the comments
Jason Scott 19/1/2023 1:06 am
What I get for texting while driving
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Lara Croft, the guy from Deus Ex, the guy from Timesplitters, someone from Borderlands
Dylan Mansfield 19/1/2023 1:07 am
Entire cast of LOTR
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Phil Salvador 19/1/2023 1:07 am
Oh boy great Amazon Smile is shutting down
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 1:08 am
yeah I got the email, cooooool stuff
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Phil Salvador 19/1/2023 1:08 am
Not even a good reason, just like "Yeah we're sick of this"
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"We can raise our stock by .5% by recapturing that revenue"
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izzy (she/her) 19/1/2023 1:10 am
tbf i was also getting sick of seeing emails like "hey! we donated $2k via amazon smile! don't you feel good about that :)" i mean yeah i guess it's better than donating nothing but not by much
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. The game has two radio stations, one which contains a few rock tracks (3 from a group called The Push King who are credited in the manual so are presumably licensed, and one from The Waking Hours who aren't credits), and the other contains instrumental music some of which is from Michael Walthius (the rest is unknown but given the fact that Michael's tracks were stolen it is likely the rest were stolen from online too).
Ok so scratch that. I went ahead and booted up the Japanese version of the game since I was getting mixed messages when I tried to look it up and I was able to find at least one of the offending tracks, so I guess Conspiracy is innocent in this case lol.
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maybe conspiracy removed the japanese stuff so made the pirated western stuff more obvious
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 1:45 am
so if anyone wants to know what kinda fun I like to have by myself, I am staring at the leaked nintendo lot check spreadsheet staring at numbers trying to find patterns to determine how many games were evaluated but unreleased for t he NES
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on the left, there's a three-digit chronological number starting with the year. NYYXXX
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all the way on the right is the PRG ROM checksum, ignore that, but to the left is the file path of the ROM on their server somewhere. note that it also has a three digit chronological number as the "extension," but it doesn't match the other one
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my current suspicion is the first number is some kind of master list of all game concepts submitted and approved chronologically, and the number on the right is a chronological count as actual playable ROMs get submitted
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Oh, Amazon Smile is going away
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 1:49 am
yeah we were talking about that before I barfed numbers in here (edited)
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Ah, sorry, didn't scroll up
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 1:50 am
I never really looked closely but my guess is it was about $800 a year for us
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oh I guess contributors get emails?
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in fact I get quarterly deposits, let's see
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the last three quarters were about $250 each, they go down the further back I go
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The mystery of N86017, 18, 22, and 23
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 1:55 am
yeah!!!
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86 and 87 have way more missing numbers than anything past that, which makes me wonder if they did something like reassign the ID if it wasn't approved in that year
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and then changed policy later
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/1/2023 2:12 am
You really gotta write it up sometime because I get lost in the specifics.
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 2:13 am
I'm still figuring out what it means!
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right now I'm correcting their mistakes so I can dig deeper, I should invoice them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/1/2023 2:52 am
To: Nintendo Co Ltd From: VGHF Please forward $200,000 and any unreleased NES games to the address below. Thank you.
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 2:54 am
ok, so for that second chronological number, the actual ROM files
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93 missing numbers total. 3 are mistakes that just didn't get filled in (they're in the gigaleak!), 90 remaining. then there are 46 unreleased game titles in this spreadsheet that had their file paths scrubbed, so 44 remaining.
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this isn't scientific but remaining titles acknowledged by Nintendo Power that aren't accounted for here is 56, which is pretty close to the 44!
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Least Weasel 19/1/2023 3:15 am
This is so cool
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It's like your live-blogging archaeology
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:50 am
There's more to poke at I just ran out of steam
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Phil Salvador 19/1/2023 4:45 am
First history interview since the move, feels good face_15
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izzy (she/her) 19/1/2023 11:25 am
got another gex mystery for y’all - what is the significance of november 17th that caused ppl to tweet stuff like this https://twitter.com/Kaothekangaroo/status/1593300394393960450?s=20&t=JjXm3hG9H83HeBRpqU6w-w
It's the 17th of November It's national Gex day, RT to Gex someone in your life
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DarkSol 19/1/2023 1:18 pm
@Frank Cifaldi Are the donations through Patreon tax deductible? (Also... I need to figure out if I can deduct them from my Canadian taxes.)
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Just to repeat what I said on Twitter but also try to further explain my understanding
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about that NES spreadsheet
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the first column is I believe called the Document Number which I'm not entirely sure whether it means game concepts that got approved or if it means the ID to the physical item at Nintendo's archive
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because they do use this ID in some Virtual Console lists
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The extension number is the software ID which seems to be only assigned when games are ordered to be manufactured (may not always be)
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It corresponds to the Software ID column (edited)
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except they limit it to 3 chars so when it's ID 1000, they use .@00, 1100 = .A00, 1700 = .G00 (edited)
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that's how they do filenames of those ROMs at Nintendo anyway
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You can easily figure it out using "public" information found inside SNES Virtual Console executables
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which keeps a lot of SNES ROM filenames
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N64 Wii U VC and NSO also keeps a lot of those filenames for N64 games (edited)
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3DS VC for NES and GB as well (edited)
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@Frank Cifaldi Are the donations through Patreon tax deductible? (Also... I need to figure out if I can deduct them from my Canadian taxes.)
Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:54 pm
Yes, but idk anything about doing that from Canada, sorry! Your receipt should have the tax code but if you can't find it it's on the bottom of this page http://gamehistory.org/donate
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The extension number is the software ID which seems to be only assigned when games are ordered to be manufactured (may not always be)
Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:56 pm
I'd be surprised if 90 NES games passed certification but weren't manufactured, but I might believe submitted? They also might have changed how they did things over the years, NES was first
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There are missing GB games that have the software ID info populated
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some that we have the ROMs with the extension number
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some that only show up in the spreadsheet with the software ID
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no ROM to be found
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We have Lunar Chase DMGECE-0.477
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which does not show up on the spreadsheet
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:59 pm
Sure but are there 90?
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to be honest I remember calculating every missing document number (the 1st column)
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:59 pm
NES has 46 appearing on the sheet, 44 missing numbers
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for DMG
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 3:59 pm
Yeah I haven't done document number for NES because it's a mess
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It'll be in the hundreds I think
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And then in the spreadsheet here's an example of a game that shows up but we don't have the ROM
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Twinkle Popo
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D1991214, Soft No. 469
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:01 pm
But software ID is missing 90. I suspect 46 are the unproduced games that appear in the sheet, so still missing 44
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so normally the filename is DMGPOJ-0.469
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...heck
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here's another example that I always mention
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but Sound Fantasy actually shows up on the SNES list lol
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with a Soft No.
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Even though the majority of the unreleased ones are scrubbed unlike NES
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:02 pm
If you end up casually browsing their network and you only have time to get one file you know which one to get
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yes lol
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but I do have analyzed a lot of this
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It does not always make sense, but the filename usually makes sense
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if the spreadsheets weren't scrubbed it could get more interesting
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:06 pm
NES is weird though because they did scrub the file paths of unreleased games, and there's still more missing
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Yes, but idk anything about doing that from Canada, sorry! Your receipt should have the tax code but if you can't find it it's on the bottom of this page http://gamehistory.org/donate
DarkSol 19/1/2023 4:06 pm
I'll talk to my accountant the closer it gets to tax time. May just have to do the deduction on my US taxes.
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only FDS and GB/C have new ROMs including ones that don't seem approved
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and SGB
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:07 pm
They were really careful about it too, only unmanufactured games had file paths scrubbed but everything else remains
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Sorry I take that back, also third party mfg has no path, so the boards that Acclaim and Virgin made
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Yeah the NES list seems to be only Nintendo manufactured
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so the third party Famicom games largely don't show up
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:08 pm
Right
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like Sunsoft, Konami and the likes
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:09 pm
A couple random missing ones that are in the leak too like Karnov
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So they had to dump those games for VC
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At least that's what the Virtual Console emails imply
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Though there are emails of all kinds but I mostly focused on the VC ones as they're always formal and pretty clear
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So i did see some paper forms asking for permission to get master ROMs (edited)
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sent to FTP servers (that are dead)
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they also refer to how Intelligent Systems had a random public FTP with stuff in it
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...the one that got archived and then they noticed and removed access (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:14 pm
Oh I'd like to see those forms
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I'd need to look it up again but I definitely seen those requests and then some forms
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There's also E3 VC builds
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...the SNES one is funny when I see a lot of GoodROMs filenames embedded in the executable
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But they definitely replace the ROMs with actual masters
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:21 pm
Maybe they use those to test first?
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yeah
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But it gets funnier when the SNES emulator was originally developed at NCL (edited)
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A single person made it
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Then it was planned to move development to Intelligent Systems smoothly
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and then the developer got into a skiing accident
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(he's fine)
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so the move wasn't as smooth as originally planned
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but he still trained IS how to replace all the SPC700 BRR sound data with PCM stuff
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Okay so maybe I haven't seen it
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But it is referred to as "Game master data lending request form" (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:49 pm
Hm
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ゲームマスターデータ貸出依頼書
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 4:55 pm
How do we know about it?
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leaked emails lol
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There was another leak mid 2021
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and it was like... an entire email server from 2005~2007
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definitely very private professional stuff but the folder called "Virtual Console" was too enticing to look at for me (edited)
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and yeah there's a lot of emails about the development of Virtual Console
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especially NES and SNES
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also a lot of emails about Wii development
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There were a bunch of emails basically asking Nintendo if they could give specific ROMs of specific games every time
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 5:08 pm
But the form wasn't attached?
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doesn't seem to be
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or if it is, I didn't see it
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I may have seen other forms related to VC but not that
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Frank Cifaldi 19/1/2023 7:38 pm
ok, looking at the missing catalog numbers for 1988 and comparing it to the quality evaluation sheets we got from howard phillips
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there are 19 missing/unassigned numbers for the year 1988, and I count 17 unreleased games that were evaluated but don't appear on lot check
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these are ROMs that were submitted but not necessarily as candidates for manufacturing, so they might get assigned an ID as soon as a playable of any kind comes in
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izzy (she/her) 20/1/2023 2:24 am
so this is pretty interesting - i'm talking to someone at crystal dynamics and they're telling me embracer did not acquire the rights to gex
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so i guess square still has them?
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lol, wow
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we could acquire the rights to bubsy and gex
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and do a crossover
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izzy (she/her) 20/1/2023 2:32 am
my god
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i'm trying to wrap my head around how that happened - i'm guessing there's just some boring legal reasoning behind it but it's very funny to imagine embracer skimming the list of CD properties and being like "eh. you can keep that one"
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maybe something to do with the Square-Enix Collective thing
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Time to make a Gex & Bubsy Pack for Microsoft Windows.
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Kate Willært 20/1/2023 3:15 am
Imagine if a collector went around trying to collect a complete alphabet of platforming mascot characters
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izzy (she/her) 20/1/2023 3:26 am
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I wonder how hard it would be to make a rom hack of Bubsy to correct the jumping in it so you're not always careening off to whatever direction the game wants you to go
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I'm genuinely shocked there's no real improvement hacks for the games outside of one that adds sram into the first one.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/1/2023 4:43 am
i imagine you'd have to do some disassembly to figure out where the momentum logic is
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and figure out how to get it to properly disengage as soon as you've pushed against your airspeed enough
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because the problem it has is fairly simple - Bubsy's air speed is set in place as soon as he jumps, and while you can adjust left and right in mid-air, if it's high enough, the air speed will just reset to what it initially was as soon as you let go of the D-pad
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and somehow this bug even persisted into the Jaguar game
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I wanna try that Jaguar game
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Return to Monkey Island (Switch/PS5/XSX/PC Standard/CE) & Anthology Upgrade Kit up for preorder at LRG https://t.co/NH069xw36O #ad
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JJSignal
I wanna try that Jaguar game
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/1/2023 5:47 pm
the new Jag emulator is pretty dang good
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Fractured Furry Tales is not, but so it goes for Bubsy
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/1/2023 5:47 pm
It's almost like @RichWhitehouse knows what he's doing
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/1/2023 5:47 pm
would that the Jaguar fpga core got the kind of love he put into the software emulator
5:48 pm
would make Ultra Vortek locals much simpler 😛 (edited)
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Oh yeah, I was just reading about that emulator yesterday since I was in a bubsy mindset
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Craving some Bubsy, knowing that I'll play it for 10-20 minutes and get frustrated and stop
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what emulator is this?
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I crave that bubsy
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miriam
what emulator is this?
Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/1/2023 6:45 pm
Rich's new standalone Jaguar emulator, derived from work he did for the atari 50 collection
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The BigPEmu
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/1/2023 6:46 pm
it is a very good emulator, possibly the best the console has ever seen (though given what it has seen before that's not going to sound like as much praise as it really deserves)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/1/2023 6:47 pm
he implemented CD support, which is in his patreon build. Should be public soon enough
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I think once I'm done with a side project I'm working on this month I'll treat myself to that Atari 50 collection finally.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/1/2023 6:47 pm
that already puts it far ahead of the other emulators
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/1/2023 6:48 pm
tbh I'm so used to emulators having rocky initial releases and growing pains that when BigPEmu came out and ran everything I tested perfectly I was floored
6:48 pm
finally, Wolfenstein without the weird sprite clipping inaccuracies
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AvP that doesn't run 5 FPS for no reason
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(it runs at the more correct speed of 10 FPS godman )
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Jason Scott 20/1/2023 6:51 pm
The Strong National Museum of Play is hiring an Assistant to the Arcade Game Conservator Technician! Apply on our website today. https://t.co/tPQBcybeLh
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Fuck twitter, one of you grab this one
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Frank Cifaldi 20/1/2023 6:52 pm
probably better in #hardware since it's an arcade repair job afaik
6:52 pm
I'll do it!
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Jason Scott 20/1/2023 6:55 pm
I want everyone here to know about it and apply immediately
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JJSignal
The BigPEmu
hell yes thank you
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I totally didn't catch that launch I've wanted to try jaguar games for ages
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/1/2023 7:25 pm
they're neat! (and not often because they're good bubsy )
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/1/2023 8:14 pm
Ultra Vortek is surprisingly good
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Frank Cifaldi 20/1/2023 11:22 pm
one of my favorite little unknowns in the world of unreleased NES is that Coconuts Japan very briefly set up an American branch of some kind and was a licensee. they never shipped a game, but they submitted two: one was a so-so bowling game that didn't come out anywhere (though the ROM is online!) and the other was...apparently a localization of this pachinko RPG
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the combined evaluation score was pretty decent though?
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I have played some pachinko game with a similar looking character I think... But it was a platformer on the SNES iirc
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Oh yeah, Pachio-kun
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looking at this again and jeez this is so many more games than I thought there would be
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Yeah
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Give an orb like thing a cool face and some sneakers and it's a top tier design. Plus if it has a baseball cap
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The robot in Live A Live, the yoyo enemy in Kirby, Pachio-Kun
11:40 pm
Solid.
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Mike Bentley 20/1/2023 11:44 pm
are we sure this isn't in the Dizzy universe?
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The world is just one big egg
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Dizzy is the exception to this.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 21/1/2023 12:08 am
I'm in a position where i may start looking for work again. If anybody has any good paid work for somebody with skills in graphics editing, video and audio editing, obsessive spreadsheet making, or editing for the Doom engine, please @ me
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It's a long shot. But I need a change
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Pasokon Deacon 21/1/2023 12:21 am
My favorite surprise in Saint Eyes: this comical battle recap screen, triumphantly displaying each unit's kills & EXP gain. Estelle (the protag) may be cute, but she sure is a KILLER. Most others downed at least one guy, and hopefully I can spread party growth somewhat evenly.
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my Coconuts claim to fame is that i'm pretty sure we went to pitch a kart racing game to Coconuts during Tokyo Game Show 1999 and i swear their office also had a public cafe in it
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if anyone can google the veracity of this, you're a better person than me
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all i found is that Coconuts were def. still in business at that point
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 21/1/2023 3:08 am
reminds me of the high scores screen in Die Hard Trilogy, where it illustrates the percentage of hostages saved by piling up a bunch of them in a box and then progressively blowing them up until the correct percentage are still standing (edited)
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Dylan Mansfield 21/1/2023 2:16 pm
https://twitter.com/gamingalexandri/status/1616800343488069634 did this in under a week but I’m happy with how this turned out 😵💫
The cult Wii title DE BLOB was seconds away from getting a port for the Nintendo DS. No screenshots are known to exist, and the game soon faded into obscurity. And then @RebelTaxi remembered he had a copy. https://t.co/lsYjonJEAX
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nice!
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As an indication, here are the 3 original artwork that sold for the highest amount yesterday at Heritage Auctions where 87 video game illustrations were auctioned. Prince of Persia, Robert Florczak: $63,000 Bionic Commando, Frank Cirocco: $45,600 Gotham Knights, Jim Lee: $22,200
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coincidentally i was recently playing the original wii version of de blob. really cool game even though the wii controls had the usual jankiness (you have to swing down to jump / ground pound which combined with auto-targetting can be a hassle)
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really great ost too (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:31 pm
This is a little obtuse but: my brain project these past couple weeks has been trying to reverse-engineer Nintendo's submission and approval processes in the NES days. I've run out of PEOPLE (who will talk) and I'm kind of in pure documentation land at this point. I'm wondering if the brain trust here can think of any potentially-surviving court evidence that might clarify some of this, even if I gotta travel to get it
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@Ethan Johnson (Play History) @smith5031 @Kate Willært assemble
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:32 pm
The Power of Play! stargoose
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:32 pm
Has Atari Games stuff been looked at? It was antitrust right?
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And they were a licensee
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:32 pm
It was, as was the Atari Corp case.
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I suppose it's possible that the numbers could come up in Evidence. I had something similar with the Intellivision evidence document in the Magnavox case.
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:34 pm
Howard Phillips has a photocopied internal eval from evidence somewhere
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It isn't helpful for my purposes but it's what got me thinking
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:34 pm
Atari Games v Nintendo and Atari Corp v Nintendo are the easiest starting places to begin looking.
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Yeah, for this Games may be better than Corp just because they were originally a licensee, so they might have gone into that process.
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:35 pm
Those were looked at but not "scanned"?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:35 pm
I'm trying to remember if there are any instances of licensees suing Nintendo, Tengen aside.
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Though Corp may touch on it in the monopolistic part of things.
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Frank Cifaldi
Those were looked at but not "scanned"?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:35 pm
They were looked at for the Game Over book, but never scanned.
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I am taking a trip out to California late this year. I hope to access some of this stuff at NARA in San Francisco when I do. Of course, you are local, so you could also scour NARA.
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:36 pm
I'm glad to help you get a head start if you wanna help me with logistics
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didn't even know this existed: https://www.archives.gov/san-francisco
We hold permanent records created by Federal agencies and courts in the following areas: California (northern and central) Nevada (except Clark County) Hawaii U.S. Navy bases on foreign territory in the Pacific and Far East American Samoa Guam former Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands National Archives at San F...
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But that will be your best source for Corp and Games stuff.
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:37 pm
Is it a matter of looking up case number and making a request?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:37 pm
There are several Archive facilities in California, but the San Fran one covers Northern and Central. (edited)
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Yeah, Ethan and I can help with logistics. Ethan has done a lot of the footwork already, identifying cases (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
Is it a matter of looking up case number and making a request?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:37 pm
Yep, and scheduling a time. I talked with them recently.
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They are cool with photographing/scanning too
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:37 pm
I'm very high momentum right now so I'm ready to clear my schedule and go
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Ethan has done Chicago a few times and Norm did KC, which randomly has New York and New Jersey.
8:38 pm
Pretty straightforward when global pandemics don't get in the way...
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if you want to know about Alcatraz inmates they have an entire public webpage about it. Atari, not so much.
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:38 pm
Oh man I can bring the Fujitsu maybe
8:39 pm
Feed scan that stuff
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:39 pm
The problem is that many of these are bound
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:39 pm
Ah
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:39 pm
It's uneven. But if it's not bound, you can feed scan it.
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As long as you don't wind up destroying it.
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I think maybe you are able to ask them to help debind sometimes? I got mixed messages on that here in Chicago
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:39 pm
If you destroy it you become evidence and they bind you
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dizzytime 2
8:40 pm
Anyway for real if you wanna pass me some info here or DM I'd like to go asap
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 8:40 pm
Yep
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 8:40 pm
I know my brain and I know this is the time to do it before I find the next butterfly to chase
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Ethan will be your best source because he has the experience (I plan on leaning on him heavily when I come out to Cali), but if there is anything I can help fill in, do let me know.
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Phil Salvador 21/1/2023 10:39 pm
Alright the time has come, since I no longer work at a university, I need some Newspapers.com help
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Currently on mobile so that's complicating it, but I'm trying to find news coverage about a specific restaurant from 89-95 in San Francisco County or Contra Costa County
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/1/2023 10:41 pm
Name?
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Phil Salvador 21/1/2023 10:53 pm
Squirrel's Nest
10:53 pm
Just trying to learn anything else about it, like who ran it or even a description of what it was (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/1/2023 11:03 pm
If it's Squirrels in Lafayette I went before it died
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Phil Salvador 21/1/2023 11:57 pm
I know it was in Orinda, but they might've moved locations at some point
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@Phil Salvador So, there are a couple different leads online, like an obit of someone who might have been the owner. Did you find that already or did someone PM you?
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Frank Cifaldi 22/1/2023 1:12 am
Orinda and Lafayette are neighbors fyi
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Just one freeway stop apart
1:13 am
I'm guessing it has to be the same place but sure maybe it moved
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Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 1:15 am
Oh thank you! That explains that
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@Ethan Johnson (Play History) found a few useful news clippings! I have honestly been a little unclear on what the Squirrel's Nest was, and they helped me get a better idea
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/1/2023 1:17 am
poses gexjr
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There's an Inc. story that mentions that the owner was hopeful Maxis would bring in more business, but at least the historical newspaper database I have that has the S.F. Chronicle in it had no mention of the place.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/1/2023 1:19 am
It was in the SF Examiner.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
It was in the SF Examiner.
That would make a lot more sense, yeah.
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There's an Inc. story that mentions that the owner was hopeful Maxis would bring in more business, but at least the historical newspaper database I have that has the S.F. Chronicle in it had no mention of the place.
Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 2:47 am
Oh yeah that's one of the places I heard about it, it has a role in Maxis lore
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I figured you already read that one, since it's on the ole Googles
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Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 2:50 am
That's also a real important Maxis history article in general
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We got that physical issue of Inc for the library
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How interested are you in magazine or contemporary media pieces like that? For example, I have a Texas Monthly sub, and they did a profile on id's Jay Wilbur in Sept. 1995. (They have a great online archive.)
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Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 3:18 am
I have to figure out what to do with those, but we've been getting them as we see them. Physical only though, we don't really know what to do with digital stuff especially behind a paywall
3:18 am
May be worth noting on Morgue File or somewhere similar?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/1/2023 3:34 am
I could plug it in.
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Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 5:43 am
Man this is frustrating. The Squirrel's Nest is consistently described as being a knickknack store, but one source I spoke to very specifically remembered having team meetings there over coffee
5:43 am
Some of their ads do mention refreshments, but that seems to be a small part of it (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/1/2023 3:09 pm
There is that second one I sent you, though I don't know how feasible it is to have been two locations with the same name.
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Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 3:36 pm
Especially since the obituary seemed to indicate it was only that one location
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Since they were a long-time Orinda person
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I think my interviewee might've mixed it up with a known cafe down there, I added to my eventual follow-up question list
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(I have an extremely good anecdote at whatever this place was and I wanna get it right!)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/1/2023 3:42 pm
Was it the birth of [COMPANY NAME REDACTED]?
3:44 pm
i think i linked the Lisa one but more coming up
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Was it the birth of [COMPANY NAME REDACTED]?
Phil Salvador 22/1/2023 7:08 pm
Nope just a fun story
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ok, i guess SNK 40th for PC is free on Amazon Prime: https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1607783419081265152
more free Prime Gaming titles are added: https://t.co/uiclXhkwdh -Dishonored 2 -Metal Slug -Metal Slug X -Metal Slug 3 -Real Bout Fatal Fury -The King of Fighters 2003 -The Last Blade -The Last Blade 2 -Twinkle Star Sprites -SNK 40th Anniversary Collection
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(did we talk about this at the time?)
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Frank Cifaldi 24/1/2023 12:18 am
I didn't know about it!
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i just happened to notice because i went there to check something for gamediscoverco. it seems to be downloadable in Amazon's own client for PC.
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these are going out in the March VGHF ‘blind box’ if you have 90s selected (and maybe some ‘variety’ folks will get one too.)
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these are going out in the March VGHF ‘blind box’ if you have 90s selected (and maybe some ‘variety’ folks will get one too.)
blessed by a Karnov by mail.
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thank you for reminding me to sign up for that now that i have money (edited)
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oh are the subs back available again? i remember there being an issue with supply when kotaku did an article on it i think
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yeah they are back (the kotaku subs got reversed cos it was too many and would have crushed us)
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but everyone got a free issue or similar
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Pasokon Deacon 25/1/2023 1:36 am
Screenshots from Life Storm, a defunct (possibly lost) Japanese MMORPG from 1998 by Japan Supply System. Considered the first Windows-era MMO made by a Japanese studio, Life Storm & its sequel were active through 2001 before shutting down due to JSS' bankruptcy.
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Wonder what the subscription cost. Considering the era, and ~japan price~ it was probably 100 yen per quarter hour.
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the 平 kanji featured in the name entry for several Raizing STG is an in-joke dating back to Compile's Musha Aleste—the alphabet bank had room for one more character, so they added the kanji of a random newbie & ribbed him for getting the only kanji credit on the staff roll
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Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!
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Look at the flags
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No Murricans
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Thats a geopolitic of video game distribution study case
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Circus Charlie was in every XX in 1 cart over the non-US world
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where piracy with famiclones was rampant
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so its well beloved as a nostalgic game in Latin America, Asia, Eastern Europe, etc
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Frank Cifaldi 25/1/2023 11:01 pm
and usually on a pirate cart it's called Circus Chablie, which I adore
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Phil Salvador 25/1/2023 11:03 pm
That's super interesting
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/1/2023 11:12 pm
i think my GameFillip 2012 famiclone has Circus Chablie in the built in ROM
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May have won the table flip arcade game for the museum 😄
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lol, that game is great.
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or at least, 'a thing'!
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i'm not sure i ever really understood the strategy properly
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It certainly is a thing hah. Seemed like one we should have
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/1/2023 4:51 am
Still finding random crap that's just been lying around the house gathering dust ... People seemed interested in my copy of the 1994 @blockbuster World Game Championship guide (thnx for the RT @TMNT_TF!), so here's the pamphlet they handed out to contestants #PRACTICEORPERISH
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billscat-socks 26/1/2023 5:04 am
wow, seeing that I feel like I have a faint memory of that pamphlet now
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I can barely recall participating in one of those and they wanted you to collect as many rings as you can in Sonic 3
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I failed miserably ;_;
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 8:52 pm
ok I want to share a couple fun stats from my current research project on unreleased U.S. NES games
  • of all of the games sent to magazines for review (other than Nintendo Power, which just cribbed from evaluations) we are only truly missing one game: Ultimate Journey by Bandai
  • of all the games that I can confirm were sent to NOA for evaluation, there are only six lost games that don't have a Japanese equivalent (including Ultimate Journey), and then four "maybes" that I have reason to think could be a retitling of a game but I can't prove it one way or the other
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I am very pleased by how much smaller this is making everything feel, limiting a data set is freeing
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/1/2023 8:54 pm
Smaller list than I expected
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 8:54 pm
keep in mind this is stuff that actually went to NOA, there are dozens of games exhibited at CES unaccounted for
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but this is a nice unreleased vs. unfinished distinction to work from imo
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my master list of all titles, including rumors and mistakes, is about 560 right now
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anything notable in that list of 6+4?
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:10 pm
I'll just do the whole list
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1. Cat Runner, original Kemco-Seika game
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2. Football, first-party Nintendo football game. Was also announced as a Vs. game 3. Fun House, the original version, an undumped cart exists 4. Mark Dart's Challenge, requires a dartboard accessory, an undumped cart exists 5. Ultimate Journey 6. Wild Boys, Bandai game about a Guns N Roses kinda band and then the maybes Air Hawk (Romstar) might be a shmup I haven't figured out Hot Rocks (Activision) no idea but they imported Famicom stuff at this time World Rally Championship (Bandai) my theories are Human's "Exciting Rally" (three years before Famicom release) or Vic Tokai's actually-unreleased World Rally Soccer (Kitty) Kitty isn't a licensee, so this is a mistake. Kitty is a developer though and they made Soccer Mania on the Game Boy (and nothing else)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/1/2023 9:17 pm
Deja Vu 2 didn’t get sent to NOA?
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:18 pm
oh right lol I took lot check off this list
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ok there's more than this sorry
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/1/2023 9:18 pm
Ha
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:18 pm
I will add to this shortly
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that list is just stuff that Nintendo evaluated but did NOT get sent to lot check then right?
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tons more that bounced from lot check
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1. Cat Runner, original Kemco-Seika game
Dylan Mansfield 26/1/2023 9:20 pm
Cat Runner looks adorable I love it
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:20 pm
Ace Harding: Lost in Las Vegas (computer conversion of Deja Vu 2) Buster Brothers (arcade conversion) Grid Grabber (by Elite) Legend of Hero Tonma (arcade conversion) Matchbox Racers Pyross Wizard of Oz
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everything else is dumped or on famicom
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/1/2023 9:21 pm
Tonma, interesting
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Dylan Mansfield 26/1/2023 9:26 pm
Wizard of Oz is an interesting one to me
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:26 pm
same.
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Dylan Mansfield 26/1/2023 9:26 pm
Frank can correct me on this but I think it’s the only one on that list with no art and/or screenshots
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:27 pm
Buster Brothers too, if you mean just the above list
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Dylan Mansfield 26/1/2023 9:28 pm
Buster Bros. at least has a box art out there
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Frank Cifaldi 26/1/2023 9:28 pm
true
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Dylan Mansfield 26/1/2023 9:31 pm
A while back I interviewed the lead guy behind the SNES Wizard of Oz game for GA
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He was a very friendly guy but any question I had about that game he just… skipped over.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 12:04 am
@Dylan Mansfield compelling but must be a dead end: the 1996 unofficial Wizard of Oz Famicom game has a similar between-levels map to the Seta SNES game, including the sphere showing your current location
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they don't really have anything in common other than that though
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"NES dart board accessory" was not on my radar
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 1:07 am
yeah was never announced
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MonsterDunk 27/1/2023 3:58 am
Anyone seen one of these before? Appears to be a... standalone light gun target shooting toy/game from SNK? https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/mctears-gallery1842/catalogue-id-srmct11855/lot-333ab2f8-307e-4f94-8ed9-af8f0114a2de
Bid Live on Lot 1016 in the Back to the Future: Toys, Models, Gaming & Pop Culture Auction from McTear's.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 4:36 am
I have not but that's the Street Smart flyer art on it
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aw man i want a neo ciber gun
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Anyone seen one of these before? Appears to be a... standalone light gun target shooting toy/game from SNK? https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/mctears-gallery1842/catalogue-id-srmct11855/lot-333ab2f8-307e-4f94-8ed9-af8f0114a2de
i think it might be an alarm clock you shoot to turn off, like https://odditymall.com/laser-gun-target-alarm-clock ?
Alarm clocks are a great idea for making sure that you get up on time, but they all have one huge problem. They're too easy to turn off, and that means it's easier to accidentally fall asleep again, a...
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i think it might be an alarm clock you shoot to turn off, like https://odditymall.com/laser-gun-target-alarm-clock ?
MonsterDunk 27/1/2023 5:23 pm
Yeah, that was my first thought, too, but it also looks like it might keep track of points. Maybe it does both!
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(please buy it so we can find out)
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i uhhhh think i might
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unless someone else with better preservation resources wants it
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Phil Salvador 27/1/2023 7:55 pm
AL sent me that too! It's not quite my style but it's a good design
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I never remember to check Yetee
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If anyone has been (or if you havent, I cant stop you :P), we'd love for you to vote for The Strong in this poll. Does a lot of good to show up towards the top of these lists. Can vote once per day. https://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-pop-culture-museum-2023/
Voting for the Best Pop Culture Museum is open! Cast your vote daily to help pick the 2023 10Best Readers' Choice Award for Best Pop Culture Museum.
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Phil Salvador 27/1/2023 10:35 pm
I dunno, that National Mustard Museum
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I know, hard decision
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 10:59 pm
just kinda randomly interesting, at Summer CES 1987 Nintendo showed off both Zelda and Zelda 2. they announced the sequel before the original was out.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/1/2023 11:00 pm
Huh
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I'm presuming it was a localization / translation kind of thing? Some of those original NES games have big gaps between original release date and U.S. release date.
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i.e. Zelda 1 came out in Japan in Feb. 86, U.S. in Aug. 87. Zelda 2 was Jan. 87 and Dec. 88. So yeah, kind of makes sense that both would be at Summer CES 1987, next to the VCRs and toasters.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 11:29 pm
my guess is parts shortage or technical issue translating it to cart, because it was on display already at the january show
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Frank Cifaldi
just kinda randomly interesting, at Summer CES 1987 Nintendo showed off both Zelda and Zelda 2. they announced the sequel before the original was out.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/1/2023 11:58 pm
Oh I heard this somewhat recently. I think from Parish?
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Zelda 2 falling victim to parts shortages is the usual story I’ve heard
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Frank Cifaldi 27/1/2023 11:58 pm
yeah I think that part is true but I don't know if that affected zelda 1 in 1987
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a rep told computer entertainer some line about delaying it to improve the graphics but that obviously isn't true
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i wonder how they were marketed together without cannibalizing each other. "They're so different, you have to get both!"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/1/2023 12:09 am
Oh you meant Zelda 1
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Frank Cifaldi 28/1/2023 12:09 am
yeah
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/1/2023 12:10 am
Zelda 2 did get retooled a bit between regions so I wonder if that is a grain of truth in the “improving the graphics” line
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Frank Cifaldi 28/1/2023 12:10 am
this was also about zelda 1
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/1/2023 12:22 am
That was probably Nintendo's first learning experience with strategic delays like they would later do with SMB3
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I just found this SNES 'SUPER FX Programming Seminar' presentation document. I didn't attend an actual seminar, but was sent this when I was working on other SNES titles at the time. Sadly, I never had chance to try any of it out. @dylancuthbert
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This is so cute
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Probably old news for many, but I think its worth to share
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Cook and Becker partners with Hasbro for Transformers, D&D, and Magic: The Gathering art.
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(they were all video game art up to that point)
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Wietse van Bruggen 28/1/2023 4:14 pm
I wonder if they are gonna continue with game history stuff now that Arjan Terpstra left.
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looks like they have a lot of art books in general and not so many game history books
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well, i guess some are 'sorta' both
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Wietse van Bruggen 28/1/2023 4:19 pm
The sonic, pacman and vlambeer book
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/1/2023 4:20 pm
I know Tim is taking a break from the VG history stuff, excluding the Tron exhibit. I think the work with C&B was positive though.
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Still feel burned by their Sonic book.
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About a month or two after getting it, they released an updated edition with Mania stuff.
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Dylan Mansfield 28/1/2023 9:52 pm
According to @TimSweeneyEpic, the original ZZT source code was lost in the early 90s: "[... If] I had it, I'd release it, but I lost it in a crash a long time ago." But they were all of them deceived, for another backup was made. https://t.co/fzDq0eW3Av
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 4:38 am
Anyone know who supplied the screens for the Wonderswan?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Anyone know who supplied the screens for the Wonderswan?
I would ask here: https://discord.gg/ZudU9Fd5
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Saw this in another server and I was curious if it all hold up. I'm all for myth busting the video game crash of 83, but wanna be sure it doesnt go too far in the other direction https://ranibaker.medium.com/did-the-video-game-crash-of-1983-even-really-happen-62b50bdf6c9a
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:41 pm
I had a multi-tweet response that was maybe a little meaner than I'd intended https://twitter.com/ubersaurus/status/1620100900558884864?s=20&t=W72LUWcaEq7mudCOXXL39w
@destroyed4com4t The market crash extended beyond Atari because Atari was the big player and dragged everyone else down with them. Mattel nearly went out of business. Third parties either went under or tried to take refuge in the computer market.
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they have some good bits of information but some of the broader conclusions are very bad misreadings of the situation
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either from misinterpreting sources and/or not having enough of them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:51 pm
We actually took this article as an opportunity last night to watch all the bad Crash videos on Youtube (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I had a multi-tweet response that was maybe a little meaner than I'd intended https://twitter.com/ubersaurus/status/1620100900558884864?s=20&t=W72LUWcaEq7mudCOXXL39w
FWIW your tone doesn't come across mean from my reading.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
they have some good bits of information but some of the broader conclusions are very bad misreadings of the situation
I thought it was missing some stuff to it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:54 pm
I can't be too mad when a lot of sources are just not available online but still
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clearly need to do more promotion of those trade periodicals on archive
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:55 pm
Well it's not just the trades that tell the story.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:55 pm
(or even beyond that, contemporary game magazines)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:55 pm
It's everything except the video game magazines which were fighting for their existence 😛 (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:56 pm
they still have nuggets
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:56 pm
You gotta dig deep. They're in denial through most of it.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:56 pm
there's ready acknowledgement that there's too much stuff on the shelves and it's hurting sales
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:57 pm
Of course now that we've done a very thorough economic breakdown of the Crash I think that's the best resource at the moment./
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:57 pm
also clearly not very well advertised since I forgot it existed
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Oh where's that? I'd love to read through it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 5:58 pm
which was my broader point here, resources are of limited use if people don't know to look for them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 5:58 pm
Yeah we need to find a way to make it into something more digestible. I'm just saying if you need to point someone to current research on the Crash, you can send them to our discussion. https://videogamenewsroomtimemachine.libsyn.com/the-video-game-crash-40th-anniversary-part-1-atari-fixed-audio
ATTENTION:  This is a re-upped version of the episode with corrected audio.  We apologize for the previous entry. On December 8th, 1982, Warner Communications, parent company of Atari, announced that their guidance to investors concerning their profit outlook would be dramatically lower than it had expected. While many in the video game space ha...
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This year's the year to do something, just gotta figure out what the best format would be.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 6:00 pm
on the same token Alex explains things well from Atari's perspective on a VGHH podcast, but I'm guessing the author here wasn't really looking for audio explanations
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 6:01 pm
It's very very complicated to explain the specifics of why Atari lost control of the inventory. This will be in Alex's next volume of course, probably priced out of most people's reach (not his fault!) and not well promoted though it may be.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 6:01 pm
(also jesus that's a 3 hour podcast)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 6:01 pm
(It's only part 1 😉 And it's necessary for this!)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 6:02 pm
I'd have broken it up further, that's too much
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 6:02 pm
There is of course a way to present it in a better format. Ahoy did an okay video on the subject a few years ago, but he's not up to date on the economic specifics (and being European, he attributes too much to home computers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIeaCE3Ljc
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 6:04 pm
my view is that it's easy to be wordy in the written format since folks can just come back to it however, but even though you can do the same with a podcast or video big numbers can seem more overwhelming in that format. But that may just be me
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lord knows the algorithm prioritizes it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 6:05 pm
All different audience types. I mean if we wanted to try and do a multi-format Crash extravaganza, far be it from me to say no 😉 Could be like those old YouTube "theme" collabs
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I'd have broken it up further, that's too much
I agree, I thought he was going to split it in two. It's true it is a whole lot. I don't expect it to have a great deal of public appeal, but if someone is going to write about the crash it is a must listen. You need to really understand a topic before you make a bold claim like "it's really all a myth and only one company was really affected."
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 7:43 pm
for sure
7:44 pm
trying to square that circle with Coleco by claiming that the CV was still doing fine, it was just the Adam feels like trying to make your narrative work around the historical record
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which yeah the Adam was really the albatross around their necks but it's not like the Colecovision was doing all that great
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 7:48 pm
It was gaining in sales while Atari was losing sales. Colecovision had higher margins because it was selling for more.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 7:51 pm
it's also fair to indicate that machines like the Arcadia, the Channel F, the Vectrex, and the Professional Arcade were functionally not in the conversation of consoles available on the market compared to what Atari, Coleco, Mattel and NAP were selling, but their existence in 1982-83 was a symptom of the product glut, not the actual problem
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 7:53 pm
Yes. Several of the videos we watched kept coming back to how consumers were "confused" because "there were too many consoles" but I don't think beyond the initial purchase decision there was really much confusion... People understood.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 7:53 pm
plus computers had the same problem and that didn't stop the popular narrative for years being that microcomputers killed american consoles 😛
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no wonder retailers were excited about the MSX standard in 1983 before it ended up not actually happening in the states
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 7:54 pm
Right. The big problem as far as computers were concerned was less the reality of customers and more the projections of the analysts pushing retailers away from consoles.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/1/2023 7:56 pm
on the upshot the author is like "eh, E.T. and Pac-Man were not the problem"
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I was pleased Chase the Chuckwagon was called out as an unimportant mail-in game.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 31/1/2023 10:20 pm
I'll also contend that, taken on the merit of the circumstances under which it was made, Pac-Man for atari is actually fine
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donkey Kong for Atari somewhat less so for a few reasons but still more or less ok
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I was pleased Chase the Chuckwagon was called out as an unimportant mail-in game.
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/1/2023 10:44 pm
Mike Schwartz cries in the cor- Nah actually he's glad
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mattyhochs 1/2/2023 2:02 am
@MonsterDunk Are you picking up that SNK clock gun? I’m down to myself if you’re not
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mattyhochs
@MonsterDunk Are you picking up that SNK clock gun? I’m down to myself if you’re not
MonsterDunk 1/2/2023 2:24 am
Nope! Go for it!
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MonsterDunk
Nope! Go for it!
mattyhochs 1/2/2023 2:25 am
Cool! I’ll make a video or something if I can get it to work
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oh wow, someone on something awful just posted about a steel battalion discord they're in securing a prototype controller they found on auction
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Least Weasel 1/2/2023 11:22 am
That is SO COOL
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retrohistories 1/2/2023 11:22 am
even if it turns out to be a hoax it's cool!
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Least Weasel 1/2/2023 11:24 am
I had one of those controllers once, no Xbox but my crazy brain at the time decided if I was going to get into Mechwarrior I needed a proper cockpit
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And there was and ... to my knowledge still is ... nothing like the Steel Batallion controller
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It was on ebay
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/2/2023 2:40 pm
nice, that tried and tested technique of borrowing existing off the shelf parts for prototyping
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the right-hand lever is one of these
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i believe is a Logitech Wingman series?
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Is it metal? One of the staff said on game center cx they wanted to do it metal and not plastic but it would be too heavy.
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 4:58 pm
Oh wow someone bought that eBay lot
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Phil Salvador 1/2/2023 5:01 pm
Don't get in the way of the milkcap community
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 5:02 pm
No, the Steel Battalion prototype
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Phil Salvador 1/2/2023 5:02 pm
Oh whoops I missed the part about how it was on eBay
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 9:31 pm
ok after that ShareData rabbit hole I, as of today, find myself going down a Softie rabbit hole based on a call I just had with someone super enthusiastic
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so I guess I'm just becoming the late 80s/early 90s Phoenix game dev historian
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he was telling me that they were primarily a licensing company, and they were the first to capitalize on game shows being a software category. they scooped up merv griffin and mark goodson really early on and decided at some point to cut out the middleman and build their own studio to do the dev work
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'Prosecutors alleged the company was a pyramid scheme and in 1996, Zaler was convicted of 50 counts of fraud.'
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 9:34 pm
I always assumed sharedata and gametek were farming out dev to them but it's kinda the opposite, softie just did everything but the actual publishing, they just used companies that had good retail presence to sell their stuff
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and yeah the call I just had was talking about "Arnie's implosion," promised we'd talk about it more later (it was kind of an unexpected call and I wasn't prepared for a real interview)
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fwiw "Play It on MTV" on the bottom, he said was Name That Tune, and that the project didn't get very far because they just couldn't secure that license
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but that it was a collab between them and Spectrum Holobyte's dev team in Alameda
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this whole thing has me questioning how things like, work? he was talking about all these fisher price games and how that was all softie, including game design. I literally have three of them here and none of them credit softie at all, I just assumed it was gametek farming stuff out
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that seems like a weird exception
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 9:40 pm
Daily Crossword Puzzles from The New York Times contains a number of crossword puzzles developed by The New York Times.Contains a number of crossword puzzles of varying topics. Includes word checks, letter answers, and clues to difficult puzzles.
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...anyway I thought softie was behind maybe one unreleased NES game and it might actually be six
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Phil Salvador 1/2/2023 9:43 pm
They were the Tose of NES shovelware
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 9:43 pm
he said the head programmer there Glen Volk likely held on to everything but that neither of the phone numbers he had work anymore, which is scary. will do some proper stalking later.
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so I guess I'm just becoming the late 80s/early 90s Phoenix game dev historian
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/2/2023 10:22 pm
Damn, guess I'll have to take Amstar
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 10:23 pm
Oh it's not like I publish anything
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Frank Cifaldi
he said the head programmer there Glen Volk likely held on to everything but that neither of the phone numbers he had work anymore, which is scary. will do some proper stalking later.
Dylan Mansfield 1/2/2023 11:12 pm
if you find him: also ask about pigskin football http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Park_Place_Productions
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Frank Cifaldi 1/2/2023 11:12 pm
Sure
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 1:40 am
Famicom Magazine #9 (1986), page 68-69 https://archive.org/details/family-computer-magazine-issue-9-april-1986/Family Computer Magazine - Issue 9 - April 1986 (Compressed)/page/69/mode/2up
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 3:30 am
@Borman mp1000 sd card reader info went up on GitHub https://github.com/tom63005/APF2SD
SD adapter/reader for the APF M1000/MP1000. Contribute to tom63005/APF2SD development by creating an account on GitHub.
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I may reach out to the guy who posted this about getting one of those bare boards
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Oh boy
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 3:54 am
Yeah explains why I couldn’t confirm they were ever sold, cuz uh, he never finished work on it
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:29 pm
34 years ago today (supposedly)
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Like many game release dates, I don't know where February 2 came from for SimCIty (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 5:31 pm
Never trust 'em!
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:33 pm
It came from somewhere! I just don't know where. Early 1989 seems right though
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 5:34 pm
Honestly most of these dates truly are from nowhere. Someone picked a day they saw a review in a newspaper published and said "That's the release date"
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Even February seems wrong. It looks more like March
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 5:36 pm
does computer entertainer say march or february?
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cuz that's probably as good as you'll get
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 5:37 pm
I mean newspapers come out weekly or daily. They don't always cover all the new releases but it looks like in SimCity's case it was covered by both specialized and mainstream press.
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:38 pm
I did check Computer Entertainer but can't remember exactly
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lol an old WIkipedia article said it came out in October, 5 months after it was covered by Newsweek
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:39 pm
It was reviewed March 3 in the Miami Herald.
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:39 pm
Actually can you send that to me? I haven't seen that one
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:39 pm
"Only once in a great while does a piece of entertainment software come along that is genuinely different. I think I found one in SimCity: The City Simulator, a recent release from Maxis Software for Macintosh ($50), Amiga ($45) and Commodore 64/128 ($30) systems."
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:39 pm
Found the original source, it was someone's independent interview with Will Wright where he specifically said he wanted to correct Wikipedia. Don't know about 2/2 though https://medium.com/re-form/simcity-that-i-used-to-know-d5d8c49e3e1d
On the game’s 25th birthday, a devotee talks with creator Will Wright
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Phil Salvador
Actually can you send that to me? I haven't seen that one
SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:40 pm
Sure!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I mean newspapers come out weekly or daily. They don't always cover all the new releases but it looks like in SimCity's case it was covered by both specialized and mainstream press.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 5:40 pm
newspapers aren't necessarily covering something immediately
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especially something like Simcity that wasn't exactly hyped to hell and back
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Phil Salvador
Like many game release dates, I don't know where February 2 came from for SimCIty (edited)
Mike Bentley 2/2/2023 5:41 pm
Planet Money just had an episode about how supposedly nothing happens on February 2nd
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 5:41 pm
But it was publicized and actually newspapers have a pretty good track record with at least recording a window for notable games.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 5:42 pm
right, and that window is february-march
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:43 pm
I found the user who added "February 2nd," no citations, they just added it
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:44 pm
It's interesting to look at the results in a newspaper database, because you can almost see the popularity "spreading" outward in a way.
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It's in Miami in March, then the Austin American Statesmen and the AJC (June 12), San Diego Union (July 2), St. Petersburg Times FL (July 9), St. Paul Pioneer Press (Nov. 8), etc.
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:46 pm
Yep, computer enteratiner in March, so February would've been it
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And that lines up with what I know about their marketing strategy, that they purposely focused on press/purchasers for early marketing rather than taking out ads
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:48 pm
Have you found like, guys who worked in the warehouse for Maxis at all? Or, is that somewhat impossible?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 5:50 pm
Never impossible. Just gotta follow a trail
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 5:51 pm
Computer Entertainer's February 1989 edition says that C64 and Amiga were scheduled for March and that the Mac version had already shipped for February (edited)
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:54 pm
Hell yeah awesome
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Have you found like, guys who worked in the warehouse for Maxis at all? Or, is that somewhat impossible?
Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:55 pm
There was no warehouse back at that point, everyone was hand-assembling boxes
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But I'm in the process of figuring out an interview with the director of manufacturing who started a few years later
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 5:57 pm
ooo, Nice. Because I almost think that they, or someone involving in like accounting there, might know some details better than the "talent," so to speak.
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Phil Salvador 2/2/2023 5:59 pm
Yeah, the earlier days are tough because it was pretty much just Will, Jeff, and their friends who were tangentially involved, so that's a lower pool of people (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 6:06 pm
I've managed to stumble into people who did factory floor work at Gremlin. Even one of the game designers at Cinematronics told me some really interesting stories about what it was like to work in manufacturing. There are people who do care and pay attention.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/2/2023 6:07 pm
I interviewed one of RCA's manufacturing floor people for my oral history project. Hoping to talk with his boss, if he's still around
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I love some of the video we have from Atari for manufacturing
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/2/2023 7:28 pm
And you do have some notebooks
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Frank Cifaldi 2/2/2023 8:38 pm
just in case no one else had looked at nexis, that miami herald thing is the oldest mention there
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 8:56 pm
The author of that piece, he might be worth an interview from someone at some point: https://dangutman.com/about-dan/
I was born in New York City on October 19, 1955. When I was about a year old, my family moved to Newark, New Jersey, where I spent my childhood. It was pretty uneventful until June 1, 1968, when I came home from a Little League game and found that…
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He founded Computer Games magazine? Probably already on y'alls radar then.
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is that a different Computer Games magazine tho?
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SGreenwell 2/2/2023 9:21 pm
Hm, seems like it. Early 80s U.S., not UK.
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there's like billion similar named things: C&VG, CGMag, etc
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Phil Salvador 3/2/2023 1:21 am
Oh boy. This language has started popping up on the Xbox website. Microsoft says it was posted in error but... why was it posted at all?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/2/2023 1:28 am
I’m honestly a little surprised they’ve kept it up this long
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Phil Salvador 3/2/2023 2:42 am
Also what timing that they started sunsetting the 360 Marketplace less than a week after re-releasing GoldenEye
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/2/2023 2:56 am
this did prompt me to load up my 360 for the first time in a bit and man that thing sure takes its time loading up with that old hard drive. SSDs have spoiled me
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should probably just invest in a portable SSD and move all my files to that
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Phil Salvador 3/2/2023 2:58 am
Also the drive being really old. The last time I fired mine up, it really struggled
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/2/2023 3:10 am
yeah that too
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disc drive was being a bit finicky too, took a few tries to read a game
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the newer dashboard updates really made it both load more slowly and made it more sluggish in operation
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/2/2023 4:01 pm
The following games are now available to play on Insignia:
  • Call of Duty 2: Big Red One (AV-081)
  • Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO (CC-008)
  • Dancing Stage Unleashed (KN-029)
  • Trivial Pursuit: Unhinged (IG-061)
  • Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland (AV-073)
Have fun!
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4:01 pm
time to bust out my xbox to play some cvs2
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Dylan Mansfield
if you find him: also ask about pigskin football http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Park_Place_Productions
Frank Cifaldi 3/2/2023 7:28 pm
he definitely did it but he doesn't have it
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he also said it was around 2003 and for the 8-bit nintendo so, you know, memories are fickle
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wait did you talk to Glenn?
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Frank Cifaldi 3/2/2023 7:31 pm
just hung up
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Frank Cifaldi
he definitely did it but he doesn't have it
Dylan Mansfield 3/2/2023 8:17 pm
a black day for pigskin football fans
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anything new re: softie?
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Frank Cifaldi 3/2/2023 8:49 pm
Just a little company background, and some of Glenn's credits
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And the name of the person at Gametek he submitted source code to, which Kelsey is looking into. Long shot but worth taking
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Phil Salvador
Like many game release dates, I don't know where February 2 came from for SimCIty (edited)
Kate Willært 4/2/2023 3:03 am
Just to complicate things slightly, both the copyright and trademark records say Feb 1, 1989...the copyright record is from 1992, but the trademark record is from Feb 27, 1989
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Phil Salvador 4/2/2023 6:28 am
February 1st I assumed was arbitrary
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Absolute mass of sears and other toy catalogs, all years
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/2/2023 2:14 pm
Niiiice
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QuarterPast 4/2/2023 2:18 pm
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/2/2023 2:43 pm
Omg it's Dale's first modeling gig
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QuarterPast 4/2/2023 2:47 pm
I insisted on the nicer, more expensive sweater
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SGreenwell 4/2/2023 5:02 pm
I would absolutely wear that sweater.
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Phil Salvador 4/2/2023 6:31 pm
Despite the earliest apocryphal stuff about the release date for SimCity, today is definitely actually the release date for The Sims
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one recent piece of 'lost game' history i was thinking of: The Void's high-end VR games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODQTV_Ha-eI
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i played one or two and they were very good and they are.. permanently gone?
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the star wars one i played had stuff like 'somebody lights up a flamethrower near you in VR and you can feel the heat in your face'
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Those games were cool, an interesting experience.
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I liked the high end immersive trend that had a little run back then. I think it was E3 2017 where there was a lot of video domes on display? I got to test a fair amount of the Holodome in my past job, which was a neat experience. The idea behind it was for shared 360 video and game applications, it got bought after the close down and is running just outside Toronto now which is cool. https://www.holodome360.com
Holodome is a new immersive reality space that transports you to incredible places, surrounding you completely and creating phenomenal memories with friends by your side. Do the Holodome—it's unlike any extended reality experience you've ever had.
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yeah sadly these games will be gone unless some tech with the company is archiving them privately
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the void runs on pretty bog standard oculus rifts with the audio head strap (edited)
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so they could probably run on a standard vr environment but it'd be missing the environmental effects and stuff
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Phil Salvador 5/2/2023 11:15 pm
!!! I got the actual release date of SimCIty
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I found an old book with a guide to copyrighting software, and somehow they got a copy of Maxis' submission to the copyright office for SimCity, which says February 15, 1989
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Kate Willært 5/2/2023 11:20 pm
That’s what the copyright record is for the Amiga version
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The Mac version filed at the same time said Feb 1
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Phil Salvador 5/2/2023 11:23 pm
Oh right we had talked about that, this must've been what you saw too
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Ohhh yeah okay, on the backside, it specifically says it's the Amiga conversion
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Right, we're back to square one on this, haha
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Kate Willært 5/2/2023 11:26 pm
I tend to believe documents filed the same month as release, and the trademark doc was filed at the end of Feb and says Feb 1
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Phil Salvador 5/2/2023 11:28 pm
If it was any other date than the first of the month, I'd be more willing to go with it
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In my experience copyright filings rarely correspond to actual release date. That whole “date of publication” thing is manipulated by publishers for a whole lot of reasons. As one cataloguer told The Midwest Book Review, “publication date and copyright date are often agreed-upon lies.” Publishers have no obligation to give an accurate date, and no one is going to check.
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Also, fyi, you can get the info from any filing since 1978, including date of publication, online from the LoC. Here is SimCity, for instance: https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Simcity&Search%5FCode=TALL&CNT=25&PID=8fJItQUrTfsIg5D7XpLrKxv0qRrW&SEQ=20230205184400&SID=1 (edited)
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Phil Salvador 5/2/2023 11:51 pm
Yeah, this matches that filing number and everything, it was just surprising that they had the original document, complete with corrections and a note that the Maxis development VP called to correct it
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Interestingly, the corrected version crossed out the line about it being the Amiga version and updated it to say "new and revised computer code"
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Definitely a cool historical document!
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 12:51 am
I think it's a little unfair to say "rarely"...I'd say "usually, but not always"
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In my experience with game dates, the month almost always lines up with the month from Computer Entertainer...exact date is harder to verify, but internal Broderbund dates typically line up with copyright for instance
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Movie dates and album dates can be verified and usually line up (edited)
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Maybe the "rarely" is more of a book pub specific thing
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 1:02 am
The one place where I’d say inconsistency or confusion regularly exists is that I don’t think everyone was in agreement whether pub date meant date shipped or date sold
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/2/2023 1:10 am
Or date first made on the assembly line
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 1:14 am
I'm not sure anyone went with that date TBH
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The point though is that we don’t know what date they went with. The date represents something, but usually not a release date defined as the first day the public could acquire it.
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 1:23 am
That's fair
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Though when determining an anniversary date for a game before street dates were a thing, I think an internal "left the factory" date is honestly good enough
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Well, I'm about to make the SimCity discussion a lot more or a lot less confusing...because I just remembered that Broderbund distributed it
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So here's their internal dates:
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Mac - 2/15/89 C64 - 4/12/89 Amiga - 5/25/89 DOS - 9/22/89
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Phil Salvador 6/2/2023 2:03 am
Ooh interesting
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So here's my theory right now, looking at that document with the corrections, and mapping it with that
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The copyright for SimCity is February 1st. The second copyright application for February 15th ORIGINALLY said it was for the Amiga version, but was amended by the Maxis product development VP after submission to say it was actually for the updated code for the Mac version, which is a change that doesn't seem to have made it into the copyright database. So it's possible the game was "completed" on February 1st, but the version that was actually distributed was finished on February 15th as a 1989 version of a Day Zero patch (edited)
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But see, now what I need to corroborate is that I have always heard October 1989 as the DOS release window, which almost matches up with Broderbund's date but not quite
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(I paused Glass Onion to catch up on this, please forgive me)
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Also where did you get that Kate, was that from the files of the Strong?
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For reference, this is what the actual copyright paperwork for TX3262301 looks like, which is the one listed as "Amiga" in LOC's database
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Phil Salvador
Also where did you get that Kate, was that from the files of the Strong?
Kate Willært 6/2/2023 2:13 am
Yeah
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Phil Salvador 6/2/2023 2:14 am
Joe Scirica submitted his correction two days after the registration date, which means it's possible they recorded it as the Amiga version, got the update from Scirica, fixed it on the paper record, but not updated their database entry (edited)
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Combined with the Broderbund file, that feels like pretty good evidence in the direction of February 15th
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 2:15 am
I’ve had so many moments where I could’ve used that Glass Onion image
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Phil Salvador 6/2/2023 2:17 am
Also notably, there's no copyright registration for the other (DOS, C64, etc.) versions of SimCity 1
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 2:19 am
I’m curious why the code was updated and what changed that early
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Phil Salvador 6/2/2023 2:20 am
No idea, it could've been a last minute fix
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But I could imagine them saying "We're done, we're shipping on February 1st!" and then going "wait shit push it back two weeks"
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Kate Willært 6/2/2023 2:25 am
But also, in 1992, why did they decide they wanted to copyright two versions of the Mac code from 1989? Makes no sense
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Phil Salvador 6/2/2023 2:27 am
Actually hmm, the credits for the database record do match up with the people who actually worked on the Amiga version
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But I think Broderbund is the final word since they were the ones actually physically shipping it
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I think the conclusion for now is: some time in February, but most likely February 15th was the ship date, according to Broderbund and some corroboration from ambiguous copyright filings (edited)
6:54 pm
does this type of deal have some kind of history in Japanese retail?
6:55 pm
it's such a weird packaging for the digital age
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Mike Bentley 6/2/2023 8:01 pm
when did people start saying lowkey in this way? I feel I'm noticing it more and more
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hrmm I see people were writing about this in 2015, guess I'm behind the times: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/71558/lowkey-word-thats-lowkey-snuck-our-vocabulary
How is language evolving on the internet? In this series on internet linguistics, Gretchen McCulloch breaks down the latest innovations in online communication.
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I feel like it would be a tumblr thing, because it sounds like theater kid vocab
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Mike Bentley 6/2/2023 8:24 pm
yeah like almost all slang it emerged from younger people
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/2/2023 8:44 pm
hey at least we're past the era of "on fleek"
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They're both AAVE.
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Frank Cifaldi 6/2/2023 9:49 pm
Huh, I just noticed this Zombie High game on Tony Barnes' site, looks like he has an actual screenshot. We have a design document in Mike Mendheim's donation, I assumed it was never produced
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Also wait what's that cub doing with the snuff
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Oh there's a ROM online lol
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Well.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/2/2023 10:43 pm
That should be a happy discovery.
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Frank Cifaldi 6/2/2023 10:45 pm
oh it is, it's more that I skipped an obvious step first
10:46 pm
like I scanned that doc even and went "huh, an unproduced game nobody's heard of" without actually checking?
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Oh, a new holy grail for "I hope someone finds this when cleaning out their desk one day" "The music of Sim Isle was intended to be high quality RedBook CD Audio. The music was composed by Harry Holmwood, and recorded on 48khz 16 bit Stereo DAT tapes. For players who couldn't do a full install of the game (over 300 MB, which was fairly big by 1995 standards), a compressed version of the music in 22khz 8 bit Mono was created and stored among the game data, but somewhere in development the original DAT tapes were lost and the low quality mono version was used as the CD track instead."
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 7/2/2023 2:30 am
Harry Holmwood has commented about that on a Youtube video of the entire game soundtrack - he said he has no idea where those DAT tapes would be at now
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he also said that he never named any of them
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let me see if i can find a source on that
2:33 am
...whatever he comented appears to be gone now 😐
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but he went by hhhhollywood on youtube, and noted VGM uploader Jiseng So links to his soundcloud (which doesn't have anything of simisle on it) http://soundcloud.com/harryhh
6:24 am
Not sure if this is just the trailer but feels like worth looking a bit more at when it isn't the middle of the night
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Phil Salvador 7/2/2023 6:31 am
RIght in the replies: "I’d recommend getting in touch with Frank Cifaldi, via Twitter or gamehistory.org"
6:34 am
This feels like it could've been part of an ad campaign Nintendo would've announced? There might be something in the trades, or a bigger media trade like Billboard or Variety, or even Adweek (edited)
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Phil Salvador 7/2/2023 7:20 am
Okay there's an article about the ad campaign in Brandweek Vol. 41 No. 36, but I can't read the whole thing because Google Books
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Phil Salvador 7/2/2023 7:33 am
Though looking at the other ads out there, it sounds similar
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i love the wording of this because it sounds like he's calling the person he's responding to as "Nintendo Boy" like rolf from ed edd n eddy
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life has many doors, nintendo boy
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I just subbed to the magazine thing finally after a year.
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I hope the good stuff isn't gone already.
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nope, lots of good old magazines left, i help frank package them monthly 🙂
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i love the wording of this because it sounds like he's calling the person he's responding to as "Nintendo Boy" like rolf from ed edd n eddy
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Phil Salvador
Okay there's an article about the ad campaign in Brandweek Vol. 41 No. 36, but I can't read the whole thing because Google Books
Interesting. I assume it was spliced in to the previews of certain films? At least that is what the small bit of text on the reel implies. Looks like it is probably just the trailer so nothing amazing, but a fun find all the same.
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Phil Salvador 7/2/2023 4:33 pm
Yeah, it looks like they were doing a big post-apocalyptic ARG around that time, and all the ads were based around the save-the-world thing. So it might be another variant of that?
4:34 pm
Like it's possible it's a different cut of the same clips with new copy, just that nobody's digitized it before?
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Jeremy Seith 7/2/2023 4:39 pm
oh neat, i've got a ff8 trailer kicking around here somewhere but I'm sure it's just the same as the television trailer
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Frank Cifaldi 7/2/2023 10:03 pm
hit The Nintendo Wall again. as far as I know there are three people in the world who can talk to me about a specific point of knowledge I want to understand and none of them will speak to anyone about the company.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/2/2023 11:11 pm
Put all those questions into a megalist just in case you get the chance in a million opportunity.
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Frank Cifaldi 8/2/2023 2:53 am
I am not much of a game collector but sometimes I get really really into something and want it. Anyway it took many years but I finally got this thing I was after: an intact boxed copy of this NES combo cart. It was a pack-in so it never had packaging, except in Brazil, where packaging did not generally survive. So it's like the one American box that everyone with a complete set doesn't have, probably because they don't know about it
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Dylan Mansfield 8/2/2023 3:32 am
Recent investigations have brought to light the fact that over the past year, multiple fake NES prototypes claiming to be unreleased regional variants were sold. The following games have been faked include: Dig Dug II, Ms. Pac-Man, Othello, Mario Bros, and Lode Runner. (Thread).
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I decided a new thread is in order, even though this originated from the end of another thread. Here's the whole story. I made a post here asking if I should put custom labels on some of my prototypes that were bare. Someone posted there that one of the prototypes resembled some fakes that recent...
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Frank Cifaldi 8/2/2023 4:04 am
This person claimed to know me/us which is horrible
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Arcade Archives devs Hamster have acquired yet another legacy catalogue: Allumer, makers of games like Rezon, Mad Shark, Blandia and the game coming to Arcade Archives tomorrow, Magical Speed🇯🇵
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i guess hamster is buying weird stuff
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(again)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/2/2023 3:21 pm
i had no idea this game existed but I'm now fascinated by it
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i wonder though how long it'll be before somebody tracks down the rights to the Logic Pro games
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if you've never heard: arcade Picross with power ups!
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and also the inspiration for legendary GBC homebrew title Drymouth
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Phil Salvador 8/2/2023 9:26 pm
Okay I have a new better connection
9:26 pm
I found somebody's email through a Nuclear Regulatory Commission disclosure document
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(Their post-game career has involved military and nuclear tech)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/2/2023 9:41 pm
i feel like you're a step closer to having to get at CIA documents via FOIA in this line of work godman
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Phil Salvador 8/2/2023 9:51 pm
I mean... the CIA has come up at least once in my research
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Anyone happen to have the "Atari parts are dumped" blurb from the NYT handy? Trying to figure out where we may have it here but with our archivist out, slower going 🙂
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That one
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(Meaning a scan of the original)
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SGreenwell 9/2/2023 7:45 pm
Via ProQuest. @Borman (edited)
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$310M loss in a single quarter, oof. That would be awful right now, never mind 1983.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/2/2023 8:11 pm
when I interviewed Ron Stringari back in 2021 he remarked to me that Ray Kassar was pretty adamant about not changing course to adjust for the oversupply issue early in 1983, which is why he left the company. It really shot them in the foot
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/2/2023 8:22 pm
And others have said the same. Ray Kassar did not want to destroy product and we (along with Warner) felt they could market out of the situation.
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$310M loss in a single quarter, oof. That would be awful right now, never mind 1983.
Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 9/2/2023 8:25 pm
Atari went from having $2 billion in their bank as the front runner in the industry to the industry as a whole going down to $100 mil during the crash.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/2/2023 8:26 pm
Maybe $100 million. That's Nintendo's story.
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This is still the best single reference thing I've written. I'm working on one for individual consoles by year. https://www.gamingalexandria.com/wp/2021/06/video-game-sales-1972-1999/
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/2/2023 8:28 pm
I still like how Alex puts it: they had the right team for growth but not the right team for trouble
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/2/2023 8:28 pm
Which is a repeated story in business. It's an entirely different mindset, and if you look at Apple it had the same problem.
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Via ProQuest. @Borman (edited)
Much appreciated!
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Pasokon Deacon 11/2/2023 1:53 am
A very cool, undumped Windows 95 action-RPG came in the mail today. Let’s hope I can get it running and have a dump available soon! I’ve been waiting a long while to finally play Little Shaker.
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Xenia on Xbox Series is super impressive. https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1624499779228008449
Unreleased 360 demo of Silent Hill Origins running on Series X via Xenia, neat
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Admiral Curtiss 11/2/2023 10:02 pm
I assume Xenia can't actually take advantage of any extra stuff on the Xbox hardware, can it? So it's basically just what it can do on PC.
10:03 pm
But still, that's pretty neat.
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Impressed it works as well as it does considering
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/2/2023 5:23 am
Usually this is done, no idea why they shafted it in this one. https://twitter.com/ZoidCTF/status/1624487320132136960
While many studios did amazing work on the remaster, I'm let down Metroid Prime's Remaster does not include the full original game credits. I worked with so many amazing people on the game and everyone's name should be included in the remaster, not just a single card like this.
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 11:32 am
they have the office accountant credited, but not Mark Pacini, the lead designer of the game.
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great year so far for people not getting properly credited for things
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/2/2023 2:08 pm
I've come to really hate the term "creator". I was just quibbling with it on our Tron timeline, the co-writers being labeled "co-creators" because that's the Hollywood way to do things. If you mean writers, say writers. That doesn't diminish the work necessary.
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PSA: the Video Game History Foundation is also active on Instagram (https://t.co/w2h9K7as6k) and Facebook (https://t.co/F7S0nEjSCn) pages nowadays, if you want to hang with us there, too. 🫂
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not sure if anyone in here no longer uses twitter, but we're updating non-Twitter stuff (at least with fun images, etc) more than we used to
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ive stopped since the site/app is running on fumes at this point
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Nate Lockhart 12/2/2023 4:01 pm
I've definitely been using Twitter significantly less as of late
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 4:17 pm
likewise, with Tweetbot's demise. I don't have accounts on any Meta-owned stuff though. You should join us on Mastodon!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/2/2023 4:21 pm
at this point i'm on cohost and on a mastodon instance
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i've effectively abandoned my twitter account since the day posting was "limited"
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 4:29 pm
The gaming alexandria account has grown to 500 followers, which considering the size of the network seems like a good number.
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It continues to grow every day, everything gets some nice engagement as well. Motivated to keep on growing it. (edited)
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I'm pretty sure VGHF on mastodon would get a good following.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/2/2023 4:31 pm
there are cross-poster bots that can be used, to copy posts off of twitter
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a good number of my masto follows use them
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 4:32 pm
I think they're broken now.
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 4:32 pm
I deliberately didn't use tools like that to be able to curate the mastodon messages, not everything fits on mastodon from the twitter account.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/2/2023 4:32 pm
i think these work through scraping, they're still functioning somehow
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 4:32 pm
ah k.
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agreed that I'm seeing more and higher-quality interaction on Mastodon even with a fraction of the following. it's maybe not as suited to blasting stuff out as Twitter is, though. the culture there is way more oriented toward connecting with people than broadcast.
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 4:44 pm
(wouldn't affect the stuff you'd post, that'd work great! I just mean it's a Mastodon norm to read and follow up on replies in a way that's not been true elsewhere for years)
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agreed that I'm seeing more and higher-quality interaction on Mastodon even with a fraction of the following. it's maybe not as suited to blasting stuff out as Twitter is, though. the culture there is way more oriented toward connecting with people than broadcast.
Phil Salvador 12/2/2023 5:05 pm
Agreed
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we're using Hootsuite to post, sadly they didn't support Mastodon yet (i see Buffer did)
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 5:24 pm
pity
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I really think stuff like on VGHF social would find an audience there
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not sure if anyone in here no longer uses twitter, but we're updating non-Twitter stuff (at least with fun images, etc) more than we used to
Thanks for the note. I closed my Twitter months ago and miss VGHF and Co the most. Would also follow on Mastodon if that happens.
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not saying we won't do it, just would have to do it separately (can you post ahead on Mastodon?)
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(and obviously 'the management' would have to approve)
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 5:32 pm
Nicholas Bouchard
What is Mastodon? Will it replace Twitter? Should your brand be there? We have all the answers.
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reading this page I think hootsuite doesn't feel much incentive to integrate
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 5:35 pm
I mean they're talking to corporations (sorry, 'brands') there. which, yeah, should absolutely not be on Mastodon, because it won't go well
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since it's inherently anticorporate
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 5:37 pm
yeah, i don't think we'll be seeing those around on mastodon anytime soon.
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if you're a smaller indie studio or a non profit, I think those do fit.
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retrohistories 12/2/2023 5:47 pm
oh yeah definitely. my ISP just joined; they're small, very geeky, running their own instance, and they talk like humans. they're there to share status updates and provide support, not for self-promotion. completely fine with that. small independent businesses/nonprofits that participate and share are fantastic. what people don't want is Comcast or Amazon appearing on there.
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Wietse van Bruggen 12/2/2023 5:48 pm
for sure
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I would follow a Brand(TM) or two, like Sonic or something. Just like on Twitter. They just need an instance that is open to hosting that.
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izzy (she/her) 13/2/2023 4:19 pm
GOOD MORNING AND HAPPY GEX WEEK! this week is all about celebrating everyone's favorite green-clad Hero of (Prime)Time, Gex! please keep an eye on this thread for some amazing reveals and use the #gexweek hashtag so i can RT your own gexy thoughts/feelings/fanart!
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Phil Salvador 13/2/2023 4:45 pm
Happy Gex Week, one and all
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Frank Cifaldi 13/2/2023 5:17 pm
I thought the morning sun looked a little different today
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oh boy
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retrohistories 13/2/2023 6:05 pm
it comes around faster every year
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retrohistories 14/2/2023 1:04 pm
hell yes!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/2/2023 2:09 pm
yoooo
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Dylan Mansfield 14/2/2023 3:56 pm
congrats @kelslewin!!
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Thank you guys!!
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Oh neat
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/2/2023 4:35 pm
Certainly did not expect this
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congrats kelsey! always wanted to read one of these, I think i found the one to start with 😁
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Dylan Mansfield 14/2/2023 4:53 pm
The recent lineup looks pretty good
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The only BFB books I’ve read are NBA Jam, Postal, and SMB2
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/2/2023 5:12 pm
oh shit i didn't notice the author line
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🎉
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Wietse van Bruggen 14/2/2023 8:27 pm
Runs a chain of stores, runs a video game history foundation, writes a book. I dunno how @kelslewin does it, much respect! (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/2/2023 8:27 pm
Kelsey is a Renaissance Woman
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Dylan Mansfield 14/2/2023 8:37 pm
I’m beginning to think there’s more than one Kelsey 🤔
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Phil Salvador 14/2/2023 8:38 pm
Into the Kelseyverse
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I would love to meet my AU Kelsey’s
8:38 pm
This book was started several years ago though if that helps. I really don’t have the time to do the things I’m doing lol
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/2/2023 8:39 pm
gonna be a VGHH where Kelsey is interviewing her guest, Kelsey
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A cooler Kelsey with sunglasses and an evil Kelsey with a mustache
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Phil Salvador 14/2/2023 8:39 pm
Oh I wanna meet Evil Kelsey
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Chaos Kelsey
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"hello I help run the Video Game Destruction Foundation" as she twirls her mustache menacingly
mario 4
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/2/2023 8:40 pm
Chaos Kelsey is a foremost expert in the Neo Geo Pocket
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Kelsey from the dimension where the Dreamcast truly was the unstoppable console of the generation
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/2/2023 8:42 pm
where Sega became a hardware licensee for the M2
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Phil Salvador 14/2/2023 8:43 pm
Like that Star Trek episode with the alternate universe where the Borg defeated the Federation
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Phil Salvador
Oh I wanna meet Evil Kelsey
Dylan Mansfield 14/2/2023 8:50 pm
Yes lek
11:52 pm
incomplete though, others that come to mind are Boogerman, David Crane's jungle thing, and as I learned mere days ago, James Pond 4
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Right, I keep forgetting to add Russian Subway Dogs to this list
11:53 pm
Ah, someone else did
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Frank Cifaldi 14/2/2023 11:53 pm
I'm so glad this is here
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does this mean other cancelled games are on the table now? I seem to recall it was a hard no
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Was still a hard no unless the incomplete game was released by the developer
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and even that was iffy
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I got a lot of pushback on that PSP Saints Row game
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these failed their crowdfunding, but were later finished and released with traditional funding
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Frank Cifaldi 14/2/2023 11:56 pm
is there a hard line for kickstarter projects? does it have to be shown playable or something?
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oh!
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I misunderstood, I thought these were games that disappeared
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yeah this is a weird subcategory, 'failed kickstarter games that shipped', haha
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We somehow lucked out on ours, but it was in 2013 when you could just walk out and say "I'm making something." and people would toss some money at it. We did have to build a prototype in 48 hours to show on a stream though...........
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I was on our prototype stream, lacking any sleep for the last two days of that and still having to have the sense of showing off how the system works with our engineer.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/2/2023 6:57 pm
Last call if anybody happens to be in Chicago! The exhibit will run from this Friday to the beginning of May every weekend. https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1625931390347771939
FINAL REMINDER! This Friday, the 17th, I will be at Chicago Gamespace @chigamespace inaugurating our exhibit on Tron and its legacy! Please come by if you happen to be in the area! If you can't, the exhibit runs every weekend until the beginning of May. https://t.co/QI2NIbqRg0
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:05 pm
I fell down a small rabbit hole called Q Score (sometimes called Q Rating), a metric developed in the 60s by a research firm who could let companies or celebs know how familiar and popular their brand was
11:05 pm
Did you know that in 2020, Americans were overall more familiar with Sonic than Mario...but Mario was more popular with the people who were familiar with him?
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:07 pm
Wait. Trying to understand this
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/2/2023 11:08 pm
Having a new movie would do that
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:08 pm
He’s been a plumber, a doctor, a painter, a golfer, and a chair umpire for tennis matches. While wearing all those hats, he’s also become the most iconic video character of all time. That’s not a coincidence.
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:08 pm
More people knew Sonic but of the ones who did, not all of them liked him?
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:08 pm
Q Score is how many of those familiar with a character would call that character one of their "favorites"
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:08 pm
So yes
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:09 pm
According to other sources, apparently the early 90s both Sonic and Mario had higher Q Scores than Mickey Mouse
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:10 pm
Huh
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Why is it called Q score?
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:10 pm
But the standings are a bit different in 2020:
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Q stands for "quotient" apparently
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ugh the geico gecko
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:11 pm
Interesting
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his british accent sucks nowadays
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:11 pm
Have heard the term “Q score” but never understood it
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Phil Salvador 15/2/2023 11:12 pm
What age bracket is being studied? I have to imagine this is for advertisers, marketing, and all that
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Kind of interesting about Sonic.
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:12 pm
The age bracket is "all," and apparently only clients are given age breakdown stuff
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Before I had a Genesis, I still knew of Sonic, but thought the way he was advertised was too unappealing to me (this was before the cartoons and comics).
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Then I played the game and was like "Oh wait, this isn't what they were trying to sell me, it's actually cool."
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Phil Salvador 15/2/2023 11:13 pm
Yeah I was curious about Mickey Mouse specifically. Not that I doubt this study but I'm curious if/how young kids are being introduced to Mickey Mouse, vs people who are aware of Mickey Mouse who are in their 50s now
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:13 pm
The tricky thing with Sonic and Mario in the early 90s is the likely had a low familiarity score, since they would've been most familiar to kids, and thus the Q Score would be skewed to that age group
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Mickey has the highest familiarity because, yeah, old people
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Mickey is still on merch, he still has occasional cartoons and games
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Phil Salvador 15/2/2023 11:14 pm
But he's no Elsa or Spiderman
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Like that Illusion Island game. Looks pretty good!
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No QScore for QBert?
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Oops, I had an asterisk disaster 😅
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I bet their score went up after Pixels
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For better or worse
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:16 pm
I'd expect that by this time next year, Mario will be ahead of Mickey on Q Score, and maybe close in familiarity...though it's kind of bizarre that there are people who are familiar with Mickey and not Donald, somehow?
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More people knew Sonic but of the ones who did, not all of them liked him?
Probably two factors with this: 1) There have been a bunch of shitty / weird Sonic games released, IIRC. 2) Parents probably sick of the character because their kids have watched the movie 500,000 times.
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:21 pm
Who is Talking Tom?
11:22 pm
Also interesting that the list features Toad but not Peach?
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:22 pm
I think the author was cherry picking characters based on data they had access to, so this isn't necessarily the top of some list
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drewmackie4u 15/2/2023 11:22 pm
Ah
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Well, would be curious how any female characters rank
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:23 pm
Same
11:24 pm
Unfortunately one of those things where access costs money
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@Kate Willært is it remotely easy to search for? I just tried in one of the academic databases, and it did not care for "q-score" or "q score."
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:27 pm
No...it can be called q score, q rating, or q factor
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Q Score seems to have become the official term, as the official website is https://qscores.com/
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But apparently it was called various things back in the day
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I've always known it as Q-Score; it comes up in a lot of books about Hollywood. But I just mean logistically, I'm not sure what search term you could use to get decent results, which seems daunting and annoying.
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:29 pm
I dunno, using quotes seems to work, except with OCR databases where maybe it wants to also grab "a score"
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(q score)
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Kate Willært 15/2/2023 11:37 pm
I'd like to know what Popeye's Q Score is lol
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Art of Nintendo Power 16/2/2023 12:55 am
is there a favorite page-size mylar sleeve for archival storage? paging @Frank Cifaldi and @Borman
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 12:56 am
This is what we use. Whole bunch of different sizes available: https://www.egerber.com/
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The L sleeves are great for individual pieces of paper because it's easy to get them in and out
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Art of Nintendo Power 16/2/2023 12:57 am
Thanks!
12:58 am
Came across a bunch of letters from Nintendo correspondence to a kid from 89-92 and they are all in various level of not great condition
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 12:59 am
Oh yeah that'd be great for those!
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Art of Nintendo Power 16/2/2023 1:00 am
also i love this one in particular. The kid wanted Bayou Billy so bad he asked Nintendo to talk to his mom. ❤️
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Haha, oof.
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The 8-4 Fridge is now even -more- distinguished thanks to our friends at @GameHistoryOrg
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cute (they helped sponsor the winter fundraiser)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 3:48 pm
It's going to be very interesting however it turns out.
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Frank Cifaldi 16/2/2023 3:50 pm
That is an excellent summary of my feelings
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 3:54 pm
It's a little less... Subtle that I think most of us envision when we first read the story. Subterfuge being replaced with cinematic moments.
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Dylan Mansfield 16/2/2023 4:02 pm
is that not the PC version
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 4:04 pm
It is.
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And yet I bet Vadim doesn't even get a cameo 😔
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yeah that trailer was something... was that a Russian car chase in there? lol
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It was edited that way, but I would not be surprised if it was just them rushing somewhere to get a deal done or something.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 4:18 pm
Always remember the deception of trailers!
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 4:31 pm
This looks very silly in a good and bad way
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But I watched it on the subway on mute and I recognized Yamauchi!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 4:32 pm
He is the only guy who looks particularly accurate. (edited)
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That was certainly a trailer for Tetris...
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I thought their Robert Maxwell was pretty instantly recognizable too.
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yeah i recognized maxwell with the braces
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yamauchi's actor looks incredibly close. it's nuts https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0407033/?ref_=m_ttfcd_cl13
Togo Igawa. Actor: Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi. Togo Igawa is an actor/director living in England. In 1968 he joined the Theatre Centre 68 (precursor of the Black Tent Theatre), and went on to tour throughout Japan, performing in more than 120 cities. In 1983 he moved to England. In 1986, the opening season for the Swan Theatre in St...
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 5:43 pm
Okay I watched it with sound, it's very goofy and prestige-y, what the heck, sure
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I have a question regarding cold calling museums for research, if anyone has any experience. I'm trying to figure out some information on various traveling exhibits that ran in different museums in the 90s and 00s that went largely undocumented. Is there any specific type of person I should ask for when calling them? Would museums even be forthcoming with this kind of information? (edited)
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The biggest issue I have is that the companies that ran these exhibits are either nonexistant anymore or are not very forthcoming with info, so I'm having to trace individual museums just to prove that they exist. My only proof of some of these exhibits is some random photo albums on Flickr and the like
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Jeremy Seith 16/2/2023 8:07 pm
@caseytube ideally they will have an archivist/librarian that can help you schedule a reference interview and that info would be available buried on their website. again, ideally. depending on the museum they may not even have someone in that/either role. from there you could try emailing a director of collections or a collections assistant. also check to see if they have any partnerships with local repositories, they might be better equipped to answer questions. for example, Portland State and Oregon Hist. Society both hold collections for the Portland Art Museum and have reference services available to point someone in a direction, even if that means accessing a consortium finding aid (edited)
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sometimes it's a little easier socially to start with a local library or archive reference interview and see if they have any contacts at whatever institution you're looking to research at - "Sara, the oral historian at OHS gave me your name etc." idk, i've found that it smooths stuff out a little more
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ymmv
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it's great when an institution has an online finding aid, gives you a chance to browse and specify what you need a lil better, plus it gives you an opportunity to make pull requests ahead of a scheduled interview if they have off-site storage
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 8:29 pm
BOY does it feel good to finally announce this https://twitter.com/itstheshadsy/status/1626317736896004096
Well folks, I can finally announce my secret project... I'm writing a book about the history of Maxis Software for @LimitedRunGames. Stay tuned for info about the book currently known as SIMEVERYTHING!
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oh hell yes that's so exciting (edited)
8:30 pm
congrats!
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wow! I guess vghf didnt have enough stuff to catalog, so it seems like they needed to start writing their own books 😉
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just wait until he starts a poorly numbered magazine about it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 8:32 pm
Half this server be writin' books.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/2/2023 8:32 pm
is it finally time for me to buy something from limited run games
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(besides Myst)
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 8:33 pm
It's gonna be a while still, but it's slowly creeping up on the horizon!
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just wait until he starts a poorly numbered magazine about it
Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 8:33 pm
The only issue is gonna be Issue 4
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 8:34 pm
Wonder if Phil or me will be first
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also called Winter 2022, released in summer 2023
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 8:36 pm
This thing is in the late research phases, I'm hoping to finally actually start writing this summer? But I have the whole thing pretty much planned in my mind right now, so I'm hoping that goes faster than expected
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 8:37 pm
Ah, so I guess I'm ahead of you on that. My stuff's written, I just need to cut out about... Half the book.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/2/2023 10:11 pm
Very important question for @Phil Salvador
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 10:14 pm
Briefly!!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/2/2023 10:17 pm
All these announcements, I gotta get back to my rca manuscript
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/2/2023 10:18 pm
I hereby would like to announce that I’m not writing a book.
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Phil Salvador 16/2/2023 10:20 pm
Congats
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That's only half-joking, books are stressful
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/2/2023 10:22 pm
I love ‘m, please make them!
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Frank Cifaldi 17/2/2023 1:09 am
Part of Nihon Vogue's Home Culture Series, this book of knitting patterns based on Super Mario Bros. was a simultaneous release with the I Am a Teacher:...
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I scanned this rad thing
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that's great, so wholesome
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Let's enjoy hand works.
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The button up sweater vests/jackets are really sharp.
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Wietse van Bruggen 17/2/2023 9:42 am
i love it
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What happened there is terrible.
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seems like Paul Allen didn't have any successors who were set up to care about the stuff he cared about? and everything was presumably losing money
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and mainly funded by him?
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There is a decent amount of stuff out there that suggests Jody Allen is not great. Paul never married and didn't seem to have any potential heirs except for her, and gave pretty generously throughout his life. I'm more familiar with him in an NBA context, and he was well-known for pouring money into the Blazers year after year.
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There is a decent amount of stuff out there that suggests Jody Allen is not great. Paul never married and didn't seem to have any potential heirs except for her, and gave pretty generously throughout his life. I'm more familiar with him in an NBA context, and he was well-known for pouring money into the Blazers year after year.
Mike Bentley 17/2/2023 7:20 pm
Lots of other Paul Allen related projects have been scaled back / killed since his death. A music festival, Cinerama in Seattle, a gallery of his artworks (which famously sold at auction a few months ago), etc.
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Rumors have swirled that they want to sell some or all of the sports teams as well.
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Jeff is a really nice guy! The ~5 years of my life I spent working there were amazingly challenging, fun, a bit sad at times, but ultimately enjoyable overall. I was thankful to get so many once in a lifetime opportunities as enthusiast of computer and game history.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/2/2023 11:10 pm
The Tron exhibit @chigamespace is on now! Dozens of games plus the curation of @lapetino to make for an excellent exhibit! If you're in Chicago, dont miss it!
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Blerg, I'm at the final boss of Ys IV on a SuperGrafx+SHDS3 and the game keeps freezing on the third form before I can beat him! I have to reboot and go through the first two forms + cut scenes over and over again. Sometimes I can get farther than others before it freezes. Any ideas??
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Frank Cifaldi 19/2/2023 2:00 am
Oh no, maybe it's an undocumented bug?? That sucks
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I'd assume it's the SHDS3
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Jason Scott 19/2/2023 2:45 am
From the original page:Welcome to the Mega Book Collection Digital Book.A Sega Megadrive / Genesis visual opus digital download This was a journey of LOVE for...
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aW YEAH
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I'll keep it like that.
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Blerg, I'm at the final boss of Ys IV on a SuperGrafx+SHDS3 and the game keeps freezing on the third form before I can beat him! I have to reboot and go through the first two forms + cut scenes over and over again. Sometimes I can get farther than others before it freezes. Any ideas??
Problem solved! Disabling the arcade card worked.
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retrohistories 19/2/2023 5:08 pm
MobyGames is rolling out a new site design and they've hard limited the number of results pages you get in search to 25 (50 when logged in). my friend's already bumping up against it when trying to list games released in a year: https://twitter.com/BadWiid/status/1627352543482286080
Disappointing to see @MobyGames implimenting a page limit for search results on the new site. Not everyone has time to contribute and this severly limits it's usefulness as a research tool. It also goes against the goal of allowing anyone to easily retrieve information.
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Jason Scott 19/2/2023 5:18 pm
But it saves a nickel, you can't walk away from that fact
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they got bought by whoever owns atari now right
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Jason Scott 19/2/2023 5:45 pm
Yes.
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MobyGames is rolling out a new site design and they've hard limited the number of results pages you get in search to 25 (50 when logged in). my friend's already bumping up against it when trying to list games released in a year: https://twitter.com/BadWiid/status/1627352543482286080
Well its a good thing that Moby differentiates between DLC, special edition packaging, and full games so that they don't clog up your search results.
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oh, oh wait
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Frank Cifaldi 19/2/2023 5:55 pm
Atari owns it outright? I thought it was a piece
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Honoring the History of Video Games and the People Behind Them, Atari Vows to Contribute to the Growth and Success of the Popular Video Game Database Atari® — one of the world’s most iconic consumer brands and interactive entertainment producers — has announced that the acquisition of long-standing video game database
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Frank Cifaldi 19/2/2023 6:24 pm
Huh I guess it's been over a year since I paid attention
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Jason Scott 19/2/2023 7:32 pm
I track all evil to the end
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i think this is just the rollout of a beta version the team has been working on for a lotta years
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i do think it's an attempt to block scraping, maybe heavy handed tho: 'Max paging limit reached. Login to double the limit (or unlimited if you're an active contributor).'
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if 'active contributor' is just get one or two things approved, should be doable
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(when the new site launches)
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Historically it meant 1000 contribution points in a year, which would come from ~20-30 games added, or 2-3 long credit lists added.
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hm that's a bit more than i would hope just to get unlimited search results
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Phil Salvador 19/2/2023 10:21 pm
This panel we liked at MAGFest is up now, except they got stuff about Gametek wrong and Frank was very upset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seBcuf7Iq58
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Frank Cifaldi 19/2/2023 10:22 pm
ShareData did not become Gametek, they were very separate entities, that's what they got wrong
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Dylan Mansfield 20/2/2023 12:34 am
This Tuesday we team up with @GameHistoryOrg to present an all new documentary on the development and legacy of Star Fox for Super Nintendo directed by @jtsknight92! Featuring brand new interviews and a never before seen surprise! Trailer: https://t.co/1TRloTQgDr
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nice!
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Frank Cifaldi
and usually on a pirate cart it's called Circus Chablie, which I adore
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Check out page 15
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Dylan Mansfield 20/2/2023 3:13 pm
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You are an artist and live dangerously the adventures of the circus world: jumping through fire hoops, walking on tightrope, doing acrobatics, and many other things. At the end of each act, the audience applauds. Be the best circus artist! (Game for 1 or 2 players)
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This ChatGTP translation is perfect, much better than Google Translator
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Its a brave new world
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Dylan Mansfield
Click to see attachment 🖼️
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Jason Scott 20/2/2023 6:27 pm
mario 4
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Jblow being a crank is so disappointing
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Nate Lockhart 20/2/2023 7:11 pm
He's been kind of a crank for a while, hasn't he?
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Yeah
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Jason Scott 20/2/2023 7:34 pm
Nearing on a decade plus
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When you are able to get a platform by being loud and wrong why would you stop doing that?
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Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 1:59 am
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155419033195 okay who wants to drop 90k on this (edited)
Unreleased prototype Moto X for the Super Nintendo! - Tested and works! - Sensors that are sensitive to light on the pcb are covered with tape for protection.
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I think this is Piko’s account? All the protos they're selling are games they own the rights to (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 2:07 am
Can confirm
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Jason Scott 21/2/2023 2:29 am
Stay awayyyyy
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"The Adventures of Captain Fathom and his submarine the Argonaut. All DVD discs are tested and working! They work good with no notable issues!
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 4:19 am
He asked if I'd tweet about the auctions if he donated some proceeds to the VGHF and I said sure, next day he listed them without any mention of donating
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Dylan Mansfield
oh lmao it’s a Syncro-Vox show https://youtu.be/oSiNE8kk3QM
oh the creepy mouths!
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Dylan Mansfield
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155419033195 okay who wants to drop 90k on this (edited)
oh he owns the rights but can't release anything it seems
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Jason Scott
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Least Weasel 21/2/2023 2:51 pm
Whelp, stripping Braid and Witness out of my library now -- would it be faster to list the people who don't have something deeply problematic attached?
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Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 3:14 pm
The original Angry Birds will be delisted on Android on Thursday, with the app renamed to 'Red's First Flight' on iOS (via @Rovio)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 4:58 pm
The VGHF related news in the video was that we found the original demo for Game Boy that got Nintendo to hire Argonaut. Dylan Cuthbert was thrilled because he figured it was lost
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There's a separate video coming out about it specifically but we ran out of time before the anniversary date
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Dont see anything in our files for this, but it could have a weird name. That said, Tengen stuff is pretty limited
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 5:17 pm
I vaguely remember some promo stuff in the physical folders but I might be misremembering
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I was more thinking of playable stuff. Learned more about a different file format though, likely found compiled roms for some arcade stuff
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 5:19 pm
So this build is dated one day later than one he previously sold for $3k
5:19 pm
If he's claiming rights to it I imagine he's holding on to the latest he has
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Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 5:20 pm
NVM has some stuff for Interplanetary Lizards it seems https://www.facebook.com/nvmusa/posts/1248757205293634
See posts, photos and more on Facebook.
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A guy in the comments has (had?) a prototype but Piko already spoke to him :/
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This is a fun one I stumbled on earlier looking for Interplanetary Lizards https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1628086899578482718
Mystic Mutants was an arcade fighting game in early dev at Atari from 1992 and into early 1993. The team had hoped to acquire the WildC.A.T.S license, but didn't. The plan was to use CyberStorm hardware, also unreleased. From the collection at @museumofplay, a placeholder title
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Dont see anything in our files for this, but it could have a weird name. That said, Tengen stuff is pretty limited
Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 6:37 pm
Are those files just internally-developed stuff?
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Looks like Tengen was only the publisher; Alexandria was the dev http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Alexandria (edited)
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Are those files just internally-developed stuff?
Not always
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But its 95% arcade stuff
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Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 6:48 pm
Gotcha
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If you squint really hard at this tweet you’ll know that this guy worked on the game https://twitter.com/mightybedbug/status/1569414887436337152
Happy #NationalVideoGamesDay ! Here are all of the #videogames I've had the pleasure to work on over the years. If you've enjoyed one or more of these, let me know, I'd love to hear from you!! #gamedesigner
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Scott is a nice guy, talked to him once or twice
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Dylan Mansfield 21/2/2023 6:50 pm
I spoke with him during the Ghost Zone stuff
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Very nice dude
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/2/2023 7:08 pm
Ooh Xevious 3dg
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What's the quickest tool to de-interleave a rom at this point?
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Frank Cifaldi 21/2/2023 7:11 pm
Oh man who was it that sent me a script, @LuigiBlood?
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I believe I did a script like that yeah
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though I would probably redo it in Python instead lol
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but I'll look for it I should still have it
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The old one I made back then
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This is a fun one I stumbled on earlier looking for Interplanetary Lizards https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1628086899578482718
Kate Willært 22/2/2023 1:57 am
First I’ve ever heard of WildStorm being picky about licensing to anyone
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I saw something about the licensing terms changing after initial negotiations, more money for less time, something like thag
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That
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Frank Cifaldi 22/2/2023 5:38 pm
Incredible find at Retro City Games in Las Vegas - an original and likely complete copy of Club Caribe, aka Habitat, by Lucasfilm. This was the first graphical virtual world! I've literally never even seen pictures of the map and manual, and they're here. I'm so thrilled.
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Nice. The graphical descriptor is to separate from MUDs and the likes?
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Frank Cifaldi 22/2/2023 5:50 pm
Yeah
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It was also revived and is playable
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But I doubt anyone is online
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Looks like the web embedded version is gone now
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Random VGHF fundraiser/stream idea: community invades old/ancient online games that through some miracle still have servers up somehow.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/2/2023 5:56 pm
hey Insignia revived Crimson Skies
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At DICE and The Strong’s expansion getting a nice shoutout.
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90,000 sq ft is a lot of sq ft
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Random VGHF fundraiser/stream idea: community invades old/ancient online games that through some miracle still have servers up somehow.
@Phil Salvador setup a game night early on in the pandemic for a dead game
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90,000 sq ft is a lot of sq ft
It is. Cases start arriving next week apparently.
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@Phil Salvador setup a game night early on in the pandemic for a dead game
Feels like capturing footage of them while they are, somewhat, active could be useful for a number of things, as well. Perhaps not super vital though, but maybe worth considering as an overlooked aspect of having a group of people generally around.
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Phil Salvador 22/2/2023 7:45 pm
Yes I love dead game night! I would be down for more
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Feels like capturing footage of them while they are, somewhat, active could be useful for a number of things, as well. Perhaps not super vital though, but maybe worth considering as an overlooked aspect of having a group of people generally around.
It's on our list, it's hard to establish processes to make it sustainable on its own. If I play something (like, say Sea of Thieves), Ill grab footage while I do it because of that. We also accept donations for that sort of thing, just like we would hand drawn maps of D&D campaigns or something
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/2/2023 8:06 pm
I maintain PsychoChronic should donate copies of his massive supply of old fgc footage so it’s not just stuck on YouTube
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Im down with that
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I wonder if there's any historical value to documenting ikea's take on the gaming world? Their fake consoles, jumbled fake shelf games, etc on their displays. Photos not mine but have been circulating recently.
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Phil Salvador 23/2/2023 7:35 pm
I love Among Gus
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Why hasn't anyone gone to a major ikea location and slipped a Big Chungus in there is beyond me.
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I’ve always wanted to steal these because they amuse me so much
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I want the boxes here, I think it's funny
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when I steal them I'll donate them to the Strong
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Kate Willært 23/2/2023 9:19 pm
I had no idea this was a thing and now I want someone to catalog them
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misaligned spines
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 23/2/2023 9:27 pm
it makes me think of how they used to sell furniture at superstores in the 90s/early 2000s
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by staging cardboard monitors and keyboards and stuff on it
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stores around here don't really do that anymore
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the one time i've ever walked into an ikea was like a weird renaissance of that time
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with the way a lot of the drawers and pull-outs had pictures of the stuff that goes in them glued into them and covered over
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Phil Salvador 23/2/2023 9:41 pm
As most of you know, our library is being sued by 4 corporate publishers who want to stop the Internet Archive from lending books. The date for oral argument has just been set for March 20. What's at stake? @liaholland from @fightfortheftr elaborates 👇 https://t.co/EmwAYF2kDw
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Phil Salvador 25/2/2023 6:42 pm
This was my first time public speaking in three years and I remember stammering a lot and being very scattered!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/2/2023 7:31 pm
Ain't bad Phil
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This was my first time public speaking in three years and I remember stammering a lot and being very scattered!
dirkdiggler112 25/2/2023 8:11 pm
You did well! Can't wait till todays panel gets uploaded.
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Phil Salvador 25/2/2023 8:19 pm
It looks like they're going room by room day-by-day, so they should be wrapping up... Thursday Panels 4 today?
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Someone joined the TCRF Discord, shared this ROM, and immediately left.
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It’s an NST-developed SNES game intended for use on airplanes and hotel rooms https://snescentral.com/article.php?id=1019
The Nintendo Gateway System was a networked interface to allow Super NES games to be played on airplanes and in hotels. Lodgenet was a utilization of it for hotels.
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IIRC a copy of this was in the WATA list?
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Frank Cifaldi 26/2/2023 5:08 am
It was, and I didn't give it to anyone so it wasn't me
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Oh, correction
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The owner requested it from me in November so I guess that's where the chain starts
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Dylan Mansfield 26/2/2023 5:12 am
The development team is a bunch of Digipen students working on what is certainly their first game
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Love these graphics
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izzy (she/her) 26/2/2023 5:12 am
tic tac toe has never looked this thrilling
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Frank Cifaldi 26/2/2023 5:12 am
The tiles in the ROM for the hangman game are pretty dark
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that new jeff minter x atari 'update' is out btw: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2005680/Akka_Arrh/
A cascade of words, color, shapes and sound flows around your turret as you desperately fight off swarms of inbound attackers. If enemies penetrate your perimeter you need to zoom into close range combat and beat them back, adjusting to a completely different perspective in the blink of an eye. Welcome to Jeff Minter’s Akka Arrh.This modern take...
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$19.99
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retrohistories 26/2/2023 4:13 pm
Jeff Minter has been making trippy arcade games for 40 years, and his latest is one of his best
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retrohistories 26/2/2023 4:14 pm
anecdotally, this release seems to be reaching people who haven't heard of Minter before
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it has pretty poor CCU numbers on Steam tho (15 at max) so it's not really selling as far as i can see
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but it cool!
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I picked it up when it released, it's pretty great. (Doesn't work on Steam Deck properly yet, if that's a consideration for anyone.)
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Release of a new build for Half-Life Dreamcast (May 15, 2001 prototype). This is now the most recent GDI available for this Unreleased game from Gearbox. Dowload link below, you will also find a testimony from a journalist and one of the devs: https://t.co/9oY9PWvojG
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Wake up babe, new Half Life Dreamcast build just dropped
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/2/2023 3:59 pm
I appreciate that person’s releases and I recognize they aren’t a native English speaker but man every post of theirs reads like a chatbot writing for the SEO gods
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Dylan Mansfield 27/2/2023 4:00 pm
Yeah they really need a proofreader
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Such good work that I can barely read
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/2/2023 4:02 pm
Also that one never gets to the point of describing what is different in this build vs the previous one
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Phil Salvador 27/2/2023 6:35 pm
For Pokemon Day, I did some math and 74% of all Pokemon games released in the US will be unavailable in any form once the Wii U and 3DS shops close
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oh my god this is awesome
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have you tweeted this? i wanna share
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Phil Salvador 27/2/2023 6:37 pm
Gonna right now!
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and by awesome, as usual, i mean terrible
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Phil Salvador 27/2/2023 6:38 pm
And this is omitting some weird non-game software stuff, flash games, etc., but it is counting all the spinoffs and stuff like Pokemon Rumble
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There were a TON for 3DS and Wii U
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/2/2023 6:39 pm
Hurray, Detective Pikachu is buried forever!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/2/2023 6:39 pm
at least the 2nd revision of Pokken Tournament is there I guess
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Phil Salvador 27/2/2023 6:39 pm
Yeah or like I didn't count the arcade Pokken as separate from the Wii U version
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also hey everyone, it's VGHF's birthday today! I posted this on Patreon, but we added the ability to provide shipping address to Patreon, and if you do it by March 12, I'll send you some stickers in the mail. We appreciate you all so so so much -- the Patreon is a huge chunk of how we determine what we can accomplish in a year and keeps us stable. So thank you ❤️
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also we like hanging out with you in here
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VGHF is easily the best bang for the buck I get on my Patreon account
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 27/2/2023 6:41 pm
michael 🎂👍
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those Gamesaru folks are selling Pokken Tournament double arcade cabinets btw (or they had one set left) (edited)
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i was like 'oh i don't need this but oh wow'
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/2/2023 6:42 pm
it's a neat game!
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i tried watching some recent tournament of it, seems to have some complex tactics
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/2/2023 6:43 pm
I genuinely forget it exists most of the time
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I really wish bandai would make another "Tekken for kids" game (edited)
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Happy bday vghf!! 💜💖🧡bubsy
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i just played tekken for the first time with my 7 year old yesterday, cos i got given a PlayStation Classic at DICE. it's very kid friendly!
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(tekken 3 in that case)
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Nice, who do they main 😅
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Phil Salvador 27/2/2023 6:47 pm
Oh yeah Tekken is button mash heaven
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Tekken 3 is evergreen, and would have been worth the price of the Playstation classic on its own... if they'd used the NTSC version, and not the 50 FPS PAL version
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I actually just bought a brand new ps classic, but only so that I could use those official psx usb controllers on my mister
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back in highschool people bought PSOnes and the PSOne LCD screen just to have a portable Tekken 3 they could sneak into classrooms.
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lol uhh there was some Yoshimitsu going on, that kick of his is pretty meaty
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Plus he gets to cheat and use a sword!
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Some day I want to compile a list of fighters who use weapons in a hand to hand fighting game (and Vice versa, like heihachi in soulcalibur)
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also hey everyone, it's VGHF's birthday today! I posted this on Patreon, but we added the ability to provide shipping address to Patreon, and if you do it by March 12, I'll send you some stickers in the mail. We appreciate you all so so so much -- the Patreon is a huge chunk of how we determine what we can accomplish in a year and keeps us stable. So thank you ❤️
Dylan Mansfield 27/2/2023 6:52 pm
Is there a new post on the Patreon?
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I haven't seen anything on it since October 2022, huh.
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There is! And there have been quite a few since October lol
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Oh wait nevermind October was our last “all tiers” post
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We’re…not especially good at Patreon lol
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Oh wait nevermind October was our last “all tiers” post
Dylan Mansfield 27/2/2023 7:07 pm
Okay. My 10$ pledge was cancelled forever ago but I’ve tried getting it back several times.
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I just tried again and included my shipping address but I don’t think it went through? Weird.
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Dylan Mansfield
I just tried again and included my shipping address but I don’t think it went through? Weird.
I can check on it in a minute!
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o hi. happy to be here! 👋
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o hi. happy to be here! 👋
hi!! welcome!
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I really wish bandai would make another "Tekken for kids" game (edited)
Corwin "weasel" Brence 27/2/2023 7:54 pm
i hold out hope that, one day, Namco will announce that they've been making a Soul Calibur spinoff starring characters from Fire Emblem
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Wietse van Bruggen 28/2/2023 5:18 pm
Finally got access to Bing GPT/LLM implementation. I tried a question where I knew it would have to use my own research to enter the question.
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I asked about why the dreamcast failed in the Neterlands, and it did use my own research to create an answer:
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The answer is brought in a convincing manner, with sources/footnotes, including my site (gamegeschiedenis.nl). At a first glance the answer seems reasonable, but is quite wrong in a few matters.
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For example: Bergsala had absolutely nothing to do with it as a distributor, not mentioned in my article.
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It claims that the distributors didn't do enough promotion and put the blame on them. The opposite is true: it was Sega that didn't want to invest in promotion, and the distributors actually wanted Sega to invest more in promotion. In fact: Sega's unwillingness to invest in promotion in the Netherlands is what led to distributors dropping out for the contract to launch the Dreamcast over here.
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Anyone who doesn't read the article, but takes this summary as fact, will not be able to catch these mistakes. (edited)
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Conclusion: Bing misrepresents my research, and I question whether answers like this will provide stimulus to people to dig deeper. I think many will just take it as fact.
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Second attempt at the same question is even worse, getting it completely wrong in terms of the distributor story: (edited)
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AI is not intelligence, it will always be only a decade more until it is good at facts
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AI is not intelligence, it will always be only a decade more until it is good at facts
"We have made an algorithm that outputs an amalgamation of the data available to it, and is trained to be as smart as the internet." "Oh no."
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(not a financial problem, some weird landlord problem)
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For a second i thought "That doesn't look like Frisco, TX"
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Phil Salvador 1/3/2023 6:59 pm
I'm not going to Midwest Gaming Classic this year, but if you are going it, I just learned Lacey Johnson is doing a concert there and I strong recommend it, she puts on a hell of a show
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:01 am
brazilian game shop named itself crazy land and straight up used an ad from an american magazine...for an NES game called Crazy Land that never shipped
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I love brazil
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:12 am
oh yeah they don't take these sites down
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The answer is brought in a convincing manner, with sources/footnotes, including my site (gamegeschiedenis.nl). At a first glance the answer seems reasonable, but is quite wrong in a few matters.
ChatGPT mostly got things right, but when in doubt, it lies with with conviction.
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Frank Cifaldi
brazilian game shop named itself crazy land and straight up used an ad from an american magazine...for an NES game called Crazy Land that never shipped
Its a distributor, atacado means wholesale, so if you had a shop you wold buy from them. The montly offer is a Super Nes Transc., thats short for transcodificado (transcoded)
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An american SNES would work in b&w at older TVs that only supported PAL-M
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:19 am
oh thank you
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So you need a transcoder or an mod
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It was a common service to get a SNES bought in the grey market, from Paraguay or Miami, and take it to a repair shop to do this mod
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But then TVs start to support NTSC and that faded away
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:21 am
I had no idea, I assumed it was always ntsc down there
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All the games were, but mostly of consoles up to mid 90s were transcoded
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:23 am
did the NES clones do that inherently?
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But it dont change anything really
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Frank Cifaldi
did the NES clones do that inherently?
Yep
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And the official Sega sold by TecToy too
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And the Playtronic/Gradiente Nintendo consoles (edited)
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But it dont change anything really
In the sense that it was 60hz, like NTSC, just the colors were different
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:26 am
ah I see
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Its a distributor, atacado means wholesale, so if you had a shop you wold buy from them. The montly offer is a Super Nes Transc., thats short for transcodificado (transcoded)
And by shop I mean mostly rental shops
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:29 am
am I correct in thinking that the playtronic nes games were pretty much only purchased by rental shops?
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I wouldnt say that, the rental shops still bought imported and "imported" too, sometimes it was cheaper
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I would say "mostly"
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:34 am
so consumers bought them directly? it seems so weird for them to come out in 1993 and compete with the bootlegs, and most boxes I've seen were sliced up for rental cases
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But still regular consumers bought it too, since it was in a time when the law was changed and the free-for-all of IP was no more
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So the big magazines sold only Playtronic stuff at that time
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:35 am
if I wanted to see ads, which magazine would I look at?
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so consumers bought them directly? it seems so weird for them to come out in 1993 and compete with the bootlegs, and most boxes I've seen were sliced up for rental cases
The demand for the officially licensed was there
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SuperGamePower is great, but it started in 1994 if I am not wrong
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Before that, Ação Games and Video Game
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:36 am
ok cool, I was looking at Ação
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Sua fonte de informações para equipamentos clássicos
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:37 am
oh this is great, thanks
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am I correct that the sliced up game boxes were put in hard shells for rentals or did players do this too?
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Rentals
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:38 am
ok cool, I just saw this ad and it got me confused
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If you want to start a rental shop, they sold this stuff
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:39 am
ah, I see
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In this case you could buy it to your house, but I doubt many did
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Just to be clear on the 1993 and bootlegs, the market share of unofficial stuff still was high, and it will be even more in the late 90s, early 00s, with cheap CDs
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Playtronic was late to the game until N64, when the join-venture with Estrela ended and Gradiente keep on alone, but then it really couldnt compete with cheap counterfeit PlayStation CDs (edited)
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By the way, modded PlayStation was so common that some people to this day think the first PlayStation runs CD-Rs from the factory
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 1:46 am
oh that's so interesting!
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The only original CD that mostly kids on small towns would see was the DEMO that come bundled
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PlayStation had a dominance here even bigger than it had in US
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N64 is considered by many a flop (edited)
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And Sony never sold it here
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Before that, Ação Games and Video Game
Also Game Power and Super Game
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Which merged into Super Game Power
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:06 am
ah cool! so these are all former rentals probably?
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I like when the actual logos are localized like on Porky Pig
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Some for sure, because it got stickers as evidence, but probably all
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Yep, Gaguinho
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:08 am
the first two zeldas had that, very meticulously redrawn in the original style
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As Férias Assombradas do Gaguinho
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:10 am
chip n dale had that too, and I have boxes for total recall and cliffhanger with the regional titles
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tito y...something iirc
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This photo is not mine
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Frank Cifaldi
the first two zeldas had that, very meticulously redrawn in the original style
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:12 am
oh that's right, 3 did too
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And thats on the cart label too
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Not all games had local labels, some keeped the original, with just one applied over the one in the back
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Just american carts with manual & boxes
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:14 am
you probably know about the purple mega man 6 label?
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originally in the u.s. it was to be published by capcom, but they cancelled it and nintendo picked it up and published it themselves. but in brazil some of the playtronic carts use the labels they printed for the cancelled capcom release
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Oh, didnt knew that
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Interesting
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:16 am
I used to buy them on mercado livre pretty often but other people caught on
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ah here we go
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Very nice
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 2:27 am
and I have this one, which is my favorite
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this only had packaging in brazil, and was only gold in brazil
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I got this gold cart, but the condition is not good as yours (edited)
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I had a box cut of DuckTales 2, send to someone in US years ago, I should have a scan of it somewhere
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billscat-socks 3/3/2023 2:41 am
I have a box cut of Hercules for SNES which is an unlicensed thing, finding the original boxes for all those unlicensed games is impossible these days
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there's some like Squirrel and Aladdin 2000 I've yet to ever see their boxes but I'm sure they exist
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Yeah, mostly of those never had a box, its very hard to find
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billscat-socks 3/3/2023 2:43 am
Picachu seems to be the most common one for some reason
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this one
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its also rare finding any of those boxes in good condition if you do come across them
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sorry for the intrusion, I just think bootleg SNES and MD games when I see talk of South America covers 😄
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I remember a counterfeit one I saw in ebay, the Michael Jordan Chaos in The Windy City SNES game, was a SFC shape cart and a box with a very nice art, like the one in the label but stretched, taking all the space
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sorry for the intrusion, I just think bootleg SNES and MD games when I see talk of South America covers 😄
Its right on topic
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billscat-socks 3/3/2023 2:48 am
yeah I love some of the weird bootleg covers for official games they had over there
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I saw a copy of Tazmania that used artwork from Taz in Escape from Mars on the Genesis that looked neat
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actually paid a guy in brazil for it and we lost contact and I never got it
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I also had a deal for a boxed copy of Pokemon Gold/Silver for SNES that I lost because as the deal was closing, NintendoAge was taken offline
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none of this stuff shows up much on MercadoLivre anymore so it's a lost cause now
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PSX bootlegs were cool too
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anyone think of an RPG where your name affects the game, besides cheat codes? like townsperson says your name is too long and gives you something
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Not explicitly a cheat code, but the first character of your name influenced your loot drops in PSO1
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iirc using a character like © gave you the best results, because it boosted your money drops. (edited)
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lots of townspeople in Chrono Cross would modify your name you give you nicknames. Which pissed off my middleschool friend, because he hated being called "Willy"
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anyone think of an RPG where your name affects the game, besides cheat codes? like townsperson says your name is too long and gives you something
Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 10:21 pm
absolutely not an RPG but something I loved that isn't talked about that this reminds me of is that in NBA Live 95, in the character creator, if you put in names of famous players who aren't in the game it auto-populates all the stats you would expect. so Michael Jordan is absolutely in that game with stats created by the game's designers, all you have to do is name him
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Dylan Mansfield 3/3/2023 10:22 pm
Secret of Evermore on the SNES does a thing where, if your name has a swear in it, you’ll have to pay for required tasks that are normally free.
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Frank Cifaldi
absolutely not an RPG but something I loved that isn't talked about that this reminds me of is that in NBA Live 95, in the character creator, if you put in names of famous players who aren't in the game it auto-populates all the stats you would expect. so Michael Jordan is absolutely in that game with stats created by the game's designers, all you have to do is name him
what if you enter Michael Jordan into Super RBI Baseball?
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Frank Cifaldi 3/3/2023 10:23 pm
it crashes
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You can name your character Drizzt Do'Urden in Baldur's Gate, and when you eventually meet Drizzt he is not happy to have heard about his impersonator walking around.
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Dylan Mansfield
Secret of Evermore on the SNES does a thing where, if your name has a swear in it, you’ll have to pay for required tasks that are normally free.
Dylan Mansfield 3/3/2023 10:25 pm
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thats great
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bunnyboy
anyone think of an RPG where your name affects the game, besides cheat codes? like townsperson says your name is too long and gives you something
Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/3/2023 11:51 pm
Naming yourself Croesus is a valid strategy in Nethack though I forget why
11:53 pm
and Fallout New Vegas iirc has the doctor in the intro say different things to you if you name yourself certain things
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looks like Croesus is to avoid detection in an area for a while
12:03 am
then kill the real one, answer with the name again and they are angry
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/3/2023 12:16 am
oh and metal gear solid 2 makes a point of making you put in your name, birthday, and blood type for it to only appear once, in the ending cutscene, on a dog tag that Snake throws away
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That Raiden throws away
12:45 am
Suikoden III does something similar. At the start of the game, just like you did in the previous two games, you name the hero of the game, the champion of the Grasslands. However as you play the game it turns out he lived and fought in the war to keep the Holy Roman Harmonian Empire out of the Grasslands a hundred years ago. He could have still been alive, because being immortal is a side effect of using a magical True Rune, but he willingly gave up the power and died of old age with his family. You then get to choose which of the 3 main characters will take his place as the main character, and can even have them take the name you used as a title of the holder of the True Rune
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@Frank Cifaldi see how this got Atari 2600 games along side Mega Drive? Videogames was (still is) a luxury, so few peope could buy the new thing. Or even the last new thing. So Atari was still going on, being cheap, there was plenty of carts made locally and old consoles were accessible. So it hit a generation in Brazil that is US was (mostly) not exposed at that level (like, only having that to play and no Nintendo).
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anyone think of an RPG where your name affects the game, besides cheat codes? like townsperson says your name is too long and gives you something
SGreenwell 4/3/2023 2:29 am
Not exactly what you're looking for, but - In Dragon Warrior 1, the name you use effects stat growth.
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that is the game most similar to what i am programming now and one of my favorites, how did I not know that?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/3/2023 2:56 am
oh I'm not sure if this is considered cheat codes - your trainer name in Pokemon Red/Blue affects the missingno. glitch
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bunnyboy
that is the game most similar to what i am programming now and one of my favorites, how did I not know that?
SGreenwell 4/3/2023 3:01 am
haha, I didn't find out about it until like 2 or 3 years ago, when I was doing a replay of it. It was also the only time I ever got the Cursed Necklace.
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i always did the items full trick to get it
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i am thinking if you name yourself erdrick the first enemy is the dragonlord who destroys you
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/3/2023 3:54 am
iirc naming yourself Erdrick in dq3 gives you a message to the effect of "aren't you getting ahead of yourself?"
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DeppySlide 4/3/2023 9:51 pm
is there a certain date/point in history where it became largely known that miyamoto was the creator of mario? I was thinking about this since his 86 interview got translated by shmuplations
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I'm pretty sure the original smb didn't have credits so I didn't know if there was a certain point where nintendo started presenting him more as their biggest creator
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/3/2023 11:50 pm
There was an English newspaper article in 1986 as well that had a few interview quotes by him. I mean this is obvious, but Super Mario Brothers was huge in Japan. Just like Nishikado became semi-famous after Space Invaders, Miyamoto did so after SMB
11:51 pm
He got interviewed for Famitsu that year too. He became part of the emerging game mag circuit, but he became world famous after Game Over.
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Jason Scott 5/3/2023 8:14 am
Replying to @brb696 cant suggest this talk enough. #emulation #megamanlegacycollection #retrogamingontiktok
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Frank Cifaldi 5/3/2023 7:05 pm
Aw
7:09 pm
That talk was probably peak cool for me
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Kate Willært 6/3/2023 2:51 pm
Hey, does anyone in here have experience buying Kindle books from Amazon Japan? There are three magazine issues that are about $2 each that have some important Nintendo-related info that we're trying to get ahold of
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Kate Willært 6/3/2023 3:34 pm
Nevermind, figured it out
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Ah, I've been curious about that actually. Is it as simple as just having an account like with physical purchases? Or are there any other hoops?
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American football star Bob Golic was (oddly) used to promote the Light Boy magnifier/light for the OG Game Boy in this 1991 U.S. print ad from the VGHF Library.
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@GameHistoryOrg Currently a wing nut host on the local talk radio station in Akron! @acmefreshmarket sells his line of Blueberry Wine 🫐🍷for those who dare
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Dylan Mansfield 7/3/2023 6:16 pm
Happy to announce that I’m currently writing a feature for @lostincult’s upcoming book, A Handheld History: 1988-1995! The story of Faceball 2000 is a story I’ve been meaning to share for a long time now, and I’m SO excited to finally get it out.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/3/2023 6:17 pm
ooo
6:17 pm
oh yeah I think Parish finally got a 16 player adapter constructed for that game, one day maybe he'll get to test it
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Frank Cifaldi 7/3/2023 6:25 pm
It was attempted at PRGE and failed
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/3/2023 6:25 pm
bummer, I remember he tried it at MGC but that was just using a bunch of 4 player adapters
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Dylan Mansfield 7/3/2023 7:14 pm
@Frank Cifaldi will be happy to know that they were working on an NES port of Faceball at one point
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Frank Cifaldi 7/3/2023 7:38 pm
on the list
7:38 pm
from this interview I think
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Dylan Mansfield 7/3/2023 8:13 pm
I added it 🙂
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Dylan Mansfield 7/3/2023 8:21 pm
This interview is the only source I can find for this; there’s also some talk about the 16-player adapter in here https://web.archive.org/web/20100509163809/http://fb2k.retro-spect.ca/rchampagne.html
8:23 pm
unfortunately this guy declined my interview request because he’d only speak with permission from Henk Rogers face_03
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Frank Cifaldi 7/3/2023 8:28 pm
Did you try Henk?
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Dylan Mansfield 7/3/2023 9:25 pm
I tried forever ago when I first started researching it but I never got a reply
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Art of Nintendo Power 7/3/2023 9:49 pm
Archival judgement call! Alright. So Im sleeving the pages of a bunch of Nintendo Game Play Counselor Binders. The binders are original to the artifact, and so the rings are rusty, the boards are splitting etc. In any other context they would be trash. In sleeving the pages, they no longer fit within the original binders, and I will need to replace them anyway. Am I morally obligated to keep the original trash binders, because history? (edited)
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Phil Salvador 7/3/2023 10:00 pm
It depends on what the purpose of your collection is, but I think no. I had questions about whether you're planning to use the binders for displays, etc., but the fact that you're already taking pages out of the binders tells me they aren't important! If you really want to, you could record like, their dimensions and binder ring sizes, but unless there's anything unique about the binders, like they're embossed with a Nintendo Power logo or something, then I say pitch em
10:01 pm
I think there's a possible interesting display use for a binder that was worn down by the counselor while they were using it, which you would be the best judge of. But if their only purpose and significance is "to hold papers together," I don't think that's worth keeping if you're already moving away from that (edited)
10:06 pm
I guess those are the two questions: is there a reason a researcher would want to study a deteriorating binder, and is there a story you can tell with one as a physical object? It may be that you wanna keep one binder as an example, but it sounds like the damage is substantial and (this is the important part) not related to how they were used at Nintendo (edited)
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take tons of photos with a ruler and white sheet of paper, then trash
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Ethan Whitted 8/3/2023 5:53 am
Agree with the two suggestions above 👆 Document that they existed, what they looked like, dimensions, etc, and then get rid of them.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/3/2023 5:18 pm
huh, Sports illustrated has an esports imprint now https://esi.si.com/news/hello-world
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Nic McConnell 9/3/2023 7:21 pm
Not sure if this is the right place, but what the heck - is there any sort of VGHF-hosted or adjacent action this coming GDC? I would love to have a beer and talk about preservation haha
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Frank Cifaldi 9/3/2023 7:21 pm
Yeah we've got open office hours Monday and Tuesday
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as for beer, no plans yet but a “hey we’ll be at this hotel bar, come show up” might be fun
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Nic McConnell 9/3/2023 7:22 pm
Oh that’s neat!
7:22 pm
Even without beers, open office hours sounds super cool (at 39 I’m also finding that like one or two beers puts the next day in jeopardy so this may be a good thing)
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7:23 pm
What are the hours?
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Frank Cifaldi 9/3/2023 7:23 pm
Mm, we haven't formalized it but 10-5? Don't hold us to that if we make lunch plans before announcing real hours
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Nic McConnell 9/3/2023 7:25 pm
Oh ok, no worries, won’t hold you to it. Would that be a good place to drop off those Japanese arcade industry magazines i keep forgetting to scan?
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Frank Cifaldi 9/3/2023 7:25 pm
Yeah!
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Nic McConnell 9/3/2023 7:25 pm
Hell yeah
7:26 pm
Ok cool, I’ll keep an eye out for official hours. Thanks Frank and Kelsey!
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as for beer, no plans yet but a “hey we’ll be at this hotel bar, come show up” might be fun
Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 7:33 pm
This is how I'm planning to do GDC haha
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Nic McConnell 9/3/2023 7:35 pm
I’m dreading the act of dislodging myself from my couch and getting all the way to San Francisco…last year i went in a few days and the next morning my kids were up at 7 like usual and i was…not super together
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2022 GDC still feels like it was last month to me.
7:57 pm
I'm stunned every time I wake up and realize "Oh I'm going to GDC in a weekish..."
7:58 pm
All the socks I collected last year still feel new.
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Can't wait to get more socks.
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I’m excited to gather all of the weird AI literature for future historians
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 8:22 pm
i sometimes wish i could change discords font because I thought that said Weird Al
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
i sometimes wish i could change discords font because I thought that said Weird Al
Ethan Whitted 9/3/2023 8:23 pm
I literally think that every time I see capitalized "AI" written in this font 😄
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 8:23 pm
Why has there never been a Weird Al game, it feels like that would've been a slam dunk in 1994
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 8:23 pm
there's a pinball machine of him now
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8:24 pm
it is one of the most stupidly complicated machines to maintain though I'm told
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
there's a pinball machine of him now
Ethan Whitted 9/3/2023 8:24 pm
True. This is a game!
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 8:24 pm
I'm thinking either like, a Wayne's World-style platformer, or a CD-ROM called something like Virtual Weirdness
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
it is one of the most stupidly complicated machines to maintain though I'm told
Ethan Whitted 9/3/2023 8:24 pm
Oh no why?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 8:25 pm
give me a few, i need to find a thread
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Ethan Whitted
Oh no why?
Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 8:28 pm
Attached: 1 image The local arcade bought a Weird Al, so I got to get down and dirty with Multimorphic pinball today. Images in this thread are described in the post. Check this out. The whole bottom two thirds of the playfield is a flat panel monitor.
8:28 pm
a very long thread with a lot of great descriptions of how pinball machine care and maintenance works, and how the Weird Al machine doesn't really do any of the expected things
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I am a little shocked there wasn't some kind of Pyst/Monty Python's Complete Waste of Time multimedia disc for Weird Al, at least.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 8:31 pm
the most Multimedia Al has ever gotten to my knowledge has been the Enhanced CD stuff on a handful of albums, and the special edition DVD of UHF
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Frank Cifaldi 9/3/2023 8:31 pm
There were probably at least three failed deals
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I have a rather unusual request... I am looking for the name of a DOS print / desktop publishing software. I am 100% certain it was not Windows, as I was using it in Junior High back in 1989/1990 before we had computers capable of running Windows. It was running on CGA monochrome monitors, and featured various fonts, frames, and pictures (before they were known as "clip-arts"). The one characteristic I remember were pictures of big heads (male, smirking or a bit menacing) that were quite cartoonish and taking the biggest part of the page. I looked at The Print Shop, Print Master, Print Magic and Fontasy and while all of them were solid leads, none of them seem to feature the heads. If that rings a bell with anybody... I'll be eternally grateful. It's been a months long unsuccesful quest 😭 thank y'all in advance!!
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Phil Salvador
I'm thinking either like, a Wayne's World-style platformer, or a CD-ROM called something like Virtual Weirdness
Jeremy Seith 9/3/2023 10:50 pm
VirtuAl Insanity
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 10:53 pm
There perfect
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I have a rather unusual request... I am looking for the name of a DOS print / desktop publishing software. I am 100% certain it was not Windows, as I was using it in Junior High back in 1989/1990 before we had computers capable of running Windows. It was running on CGA monochrome monitors, and featured various fonts, frames, and pictures (before they were known as "clip-arts"). The one characteristic I remember were pictures of big heads (male, smirking or a bit menacing) that were quite cartoonish and taking the biggest part of the page. I looked at The Print Shop, Print Master, Print Magic and Fontasy and while all of them were solid leads, none of them seem to feature the heads. If that rings a bell with anybody... I'll be eternally grateful. It's been a months long unsuccesful quest 😭 thank y'all in advance!!
Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 10:54 pm
Lemme think about this! My first guess would've been PrintMaster because of the lawsuitbut lemme see
10:54 pm
The problem is there were just so many that might've been poorly documented
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Phil Salvador
Lemme think about this! My first guess would've been PrintMaster because of the lawsuitbut lemme see
Thank you so much for looking into this!
10:57 pm
I went as far as running the abovementioned 4 in DOSBox to make sure it wasn't just the screenshots lacking the infamous heads, but these were so memorable I would have assumed people showcasing the software would have put them in their screen captures
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 10:57 pm
Maybe it'd help if I gave some sources/lists? The first place I went is WinWorld, which has a pretty big index of home computer software in this area. They have 38 results for DOS-based publishing programs. Lots of names like PrintPower or Bannermania https://winworldpc.com/search/?&tags=Publishing&platforms=DOS
WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to providing free and open access to one of the largest archives of abandonware software and information on the web.
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WinWorld is where I downloaded Print Shop, Master and Magic
10:57 pm
lemme look at PrintPower
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 10:58 pm
Ohhh okay, hm. Yeah there's a lot of names in here, one of them might stand out. Trying to find a magazine resource that'd be useful too
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for a moment I thought that this one was part of the same clipart collection but I think I just got confused because it was included in some Linux distros I used in the early 90s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 11:04 pm
The other idea, which I'm struggling with now, is to look through some computer magazines at the time that would've reviewed DOS software like this, like Compute. That's more manual and laborious though
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no luck with PrintPower
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Phil Salvador
The other idea, which I'm struggling with now, is to look through some computer magazines at the time that would've reviewed DOS software like this, like Compute. That's more manual and laborious though
at this point any idea helps
11:04 pm
I tried various Google searches that lead nowhere
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Phil Salvador 9/3/2023 11:37 pm
I wish I could find a magazine like Compute that has a good review index. That might be the easiest way to find like, a list of software for a category from a given year
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I appreciate your help ❤️
11:47 pm
I looked into early releases of MS Publisher as well but nothing was old enough to fit
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kwyxz
I have a rather unusual request... I am looking for the name of a DOS print / desktop publishing software. I am 100% certain it was not Windows, as I was using it in Junior High back in 1989/1990 before we had computers capable of running Windows. It was running on CGA monochrome monitors, and featured various fonts, frames, and pictures (before they were known as "clip-arts"). The one characteristic I remember were pictures of big heads (male, smirking or a bit menacing) that were quite cartoonish and taking the biggest part of the page. I looked at The Print Shop, Print Master, Print Magic and Fontasy and while all of them were solid leads, none of them seem to feature the heads. If that rings a bell with anybody... I'll be eternally grateful. It's been a months long unsuccesful quest 😭 thank y'all in advance!!
Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 11:49 pm
would it be Banner Mania?
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Oh man what a nightmare
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
would it be Banner Mania?
Banner Mania looks more recent / advanced than the one I am looking for and does not seem to include the kind of clip art we are looking for
11:58 pm
The closest seems to be PrintMaster
11:58 pm
In terms of graphics style
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/3/2023 11:58 pm
ah. well that's the one i remembered, so i figured I'd take the shot
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I appreciate it 🙂
11:59 pm
Thank you!
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This is very, very close. But no heads so far
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Above: PrintMaster. Below: The Print Shop.
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Both incredibly close to what I am looking for. I am now wondering if maybe the big heads were on an additional data disk sold separately
12:04 am
OMG
12:05 am
The heads! Not exactly the one I remember but veeeery similar and probably from the same distribution (edited)
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The File Cabinet was the largest collection of TRS-80 public domain and shareware software ever assembled. At its height, it was described as offering “15,000 programs for the Model …
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The more I look at these the more I understand why Brøderbund sued the PrintMaster guys haha
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FOUND IT
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PrintMaster Art Gallery I - User's Guide(c) 1985 Unison WorldFor use with PrintMaster is the PrintMaster Art Gallery series of additional graphics, which can...
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"Angry face" is the one I was thinking about. Thanks @Phil Salvador and @Corwin "weasel" Brence for taking a look!
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and thank you @Jason Scott for all the invaluable scans of 1985 DOS software! 🙂
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/3/2023 12:34 am
I'm glad you found it!
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Phil Salvador 10/3/2023 12:35 am
Yoooo there you go!
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That's tricky when it's an art pack for a program too!
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ghastly faces
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 12:55 am
huzzah
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it's months of doubting my memory (and sanity) finally vindicated haha
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Had a first today, someone contacted me on Twitter asking about a video I had apparently removed (nicely, mind you!). I havent really had to remove anything in a long time, so I was a bit confused. Turns out they had asked ChatGPT about a cancelled title and it had recommended a video from me, but as you might expect, it was a fake video link and not a game I had covered.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/3/2023 3:18 pm
Lmao
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As someone who often forgets the work they’ve done, I am not excited for this future
4:42 pm
Gonna be gaslit by chatGBT
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izzy (she/her) 10/3/2023 4:53 pm
it’s only a matter of time before chatLGBT comes and takes my job
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As someone who often forgets the work they’ve done, I am not excited for this future
Right? Hah. I figured it would be an older video that got hit by a copyright strike or something
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/3/2023 6:01 pm
yeah, was just reading a long post by somebody who was asking it about something historical, and it had whole cloth invented some random guy that it claimed was responsible for an invention that, notoriously, nobody knows who actually invented
6:02 pm
then upon asking for information about the invention "and not the one invented by (actually made up name)" - it then claimed the name that the user literally just made up "is the only one of that kind known to have been invented"
6:03 pm
this is gonna be worse for college papers than Wikipedia
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/3/2023 6:33 pm
So, I mentioned re: yesterday’s Cat Fixation [https://cohost.org/kojote/post/1146770-in-which-we-use-ai-t] that ChatGPT can get locked into the same patterns, which I described as “aggravating behavior.” But let me provide a concrete example. The International Automatic Lifeboat was a life-saving device patented by Robert A Brown, of Chicago, t...
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 8:58 pm
I see Frank has entered my scanning chat.
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@Frank Cifaldi Heat gun.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 8:58 pm
Lol are you serious
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 8:58 pm
No way around it. Everything about this one is going to have to be insane.
8:58 pm
That's why I think nobody took it on
8:58 pm
That at the sheer per-page and total-page size
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 8:59 pm
So I did this for Game Player's and it extremely laborious, I'm going to tell you pretty confidently that you're going to need an hour per issue with these guys
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 8:59 pm
I'm not over here rubbing my hands about it, no
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 8:59 pm
Why aren't you chopping?
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:00 pm
Only if I can provably show it won't cost gutters
9:00 pm
I don't have these in my hands. I'm just emotionally prepared for heat gun
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:00 pm
It will always cost a little but that's how most do it, tagging in @Hubz
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:00 pm
I just have to do The Best Way each time
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:01 pm
All of his are chopped, same with all of Retromags
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:01 pm
Aware
9:01 pm
Hope for the Best, Expect the Worst
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:02 pm
I can talk you through what I did but just so you know I spent about three weeks trying to develop a technique for actual lossless page extraction and it's long concentration-heavy labor every time
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:02 pm
YEP
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YEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:03 pm
But if you pursue it the tool I found most helpful that I haven't seen anyone else use is an actual binding machine
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:03 pm
Frank, I'm talking to you while also digitizing three VHS tapes, one audio tape, and IBM floppies
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:03 pm
There's a $30 clone of a $300 model on Amazon that works well, this will get the cover off and leave you with a stack
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Yes I joined the dark side and chop now 😬
9:04 pm
but yeah if you don't mind the time commitment heat gun and pulling carefully works for sure!
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:04 pm
We'll find out, for sure
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:04 pm
I found that the heat gun was probably the worst way to do things, my technique was softening the spine with a binder, clamping all the pages together with wooden boards, and tediously melting glue on to paper towels with an iron
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Yeah Frank has probably the cleanest method
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:05 pm
I'll have the issues in my hands next week, then comes the work
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:07 pm
So my actual solution if you wanted to just get it done is that I drive ours to a place in San Jose that does them for about $6 a pop
9:07 pm
They chop and feed scan in 600dpi "good enough" quality
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:07 pm
Yeah.
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Make that suggestion again.
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But I do love your effort to get to the finish line, frank.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:08 pm
I'm just offering to help since you're engaging about it but if that is annoying for you I can stop
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:09 pm
I'm mostly in here to give you further info of my rough-draft whiteboard so we're not doing this out on the Court of Burning Twitter
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As a matter of my indicating I am aware I'm not doing something simple and straightforward, or one of
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waves majestically
9:09 pm
these people would have easily done it by now
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It's just a fundamentally brutal thing on every level - scarcity, size, mass, etc.
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So I'm going in expecting the worst and will now do whatever makes sense to get the stupid-level result, ideally so nobody ever has to do anything ever again
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:11 pm
Understood, good luck
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:12 pm
I had some guy from a research library show up and WELL ACTKXSUYALLY let me know I can't scan them
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And man, I hope that guy is enjoying his lunches he's had since then since I chose not to absolutely ruin them
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Conversely, I did raise the $3000 in 3 hours.
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So obviously people respect the material. I just have to afford the same level of nothing-off-the-table respect back.
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200 people came out of darkness to say "Do right"
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Anyway, speaking of Vidya Game Prez
9:14 pm
The Ultimate Tape Archive v4.0 dropped today, I'm the distribution point.
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The Ultimate Tape Archive V4.0 * Release date: 10th of March, 2023 Welcome to the most complete Commodore 64 cassette archive...
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As we speak, I'm currently adding in the titles they've added since the last so they'll ultimately emulate.
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Over 500 brand new cassettes.
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WITH stickers
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Speaking of magazine preservation, I contacted the Vintage Computer Federation about "hey, whatever happened to the magazines I donated to you"
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They informed me they recycled 100% of them, but good news, they kept the yellow bins I donated them in, for other users.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:18 pm
Wtf
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:18 pm
Anyway, that ends my relationship, attendance or anything else with the Vintage Computer Federation
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9:18 pm
Frank, they're not wasteful. They kept the bins.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/3/2023 9:19 pm
wow
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:19 pm
I mean, I paid hundreds of dollars for the bins and the rental truck to hand-deliver them, including the magazines I had put into comic book bags to ensure their safety.
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But the VCF needed the space, and why contact me offering them back, I'm very very hard to reach
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holy cow
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:27 pm
This is why I like your fatigued skepticism, Frank; it beats four aces and false positivity
9:30 pm
And you ensure the projects come out the other end whole
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 9:34 pm
I don't know if it's fatigued skepticism it's more "I'm going to die someday and I get more done before then working smarter"
9:35 pm
With scanned paper what I've come around to is that there's no such thing as a perfect scan so as long as "good enough" is online and the original is Somewhere, it covers I believe literally 99.9% of all use cases. And if someone needs that rare photo or piece of art scanned correctly, the original exists and can be retrieved (not saying this applies to Computer Shopper but it does for the game mags we scan)
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:41 pm
Oh sure
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This is a very special case, because it involves me scanning them
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Because I never ever ever do this anymore
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I literally let all the maniacs do this work to the best of their standards.
9:42 pm
This is the Grand Exception
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Matt Clawson 10/3/2023 9:44 pm
wow that's really sad to hear about the VCF but also not surprising to me for other reasons i've heard which aren't mine to share 😦
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:44 pm
ha ha
9:44 pm
Yes, be coy, that's definitely what I encourage
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Matt Clawson 10/3/2023 9:44 pm
i still like going to the VCF East Festival for the people there (edited)
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 9:47 pm
I'll never be attending again. But wear a top hat, nobody will know the difference
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 10:28 pm
While I set off on my commute, I do want to make it very clear to my beloved hero frank, that all I am saying is that absolutely nothing is off the table with regards to the project and I will step carefully and move to simpler or more time economical processes if I think they won't mean a drop in notable quality.
10:29 pm
A Journey that Frank has taken many times, as have i, and I just want that clear. As one might expect, I am barraged on all sides on a daily basis as regards what to do in every situation, so the weariness is not meant to indicate a lack of respect.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/3/2023 10:30 pm
Yeah once they're in hand and you've done a couple you'll have a good grasp on it
10:31 pm
If nothing else I'm glad you're joining the Fujitsu club
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Jason Scott 10/3/2023 10:33 pm
I've got one for smaller papers
10:33 pm
It's how I did the tart cards
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Ah, I've been curious about that actually. Is it as simple as just having an account like with physical purchases? Or are there any other hoops?
Kate Willært 11/3/2023 2:36 am
There are hoops, yeah…places you need to figure out in the acct info where you need to put a Japan address
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Dylan Mansfield 11/3/2023 2:43 am
@Frank Cifaldi has a cameo in my next DYKG video and I’m so happy they let me use this photo
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billscat-socks 11/3/2023 4:50 am
damn, beta frank
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the final version today looks so different
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Frank Cifaldi 11/3/2023 5:07 am
That is an incredibly old photo
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Dylan Mansfield 11/3/2023 5:21 am
Same energy
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Phil Salvador 11/3/2023 6:30 am
Oh this is a hell of a story re: game preservation. The remastered Chrono Cross happened because the developers were afraid the PS3 re-release was gonna become inaccessible https://www.gamesradar.com/chrono-cross-was-remastered-because-the-devs-feared-the-classic-jrpg-becoming-unplayable/
Preservation fears led to The Radical Dreamers Edition
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プレイステーション非売品セーブデータ情報 ファミ通クエスト RPGツクール4でプレイする事できるセーブデータ。申し込み用紙、データが入っていないメモリーカード、切手を貼った返信用封筒を送ると入手する事が出来たようです。 #非売品ゲーム情報を残したい 情報ありがとうございました!
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so Famitsu made an RPG using one of the PS1 RPG Makers
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to get it you had to send an empty Memory Card to them with a form
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...we may be able to preserve it if we're lucky
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I had to look up how to do RAW dumps of PS1 (and PS2) Memory Cards just in case
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Phil Salvador 12/3/2023 11:48 pm
Hell yeah hell yeah I got in touch with an important Maxis history person who I don't know if anyone's hit up before
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Phil Salvador 13/3/2023 2:58 pm
Pokémon has always been synonymous with Nintendo handhelds, and the 3DS has been the last bastion of preserving its past
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Jeremy Seith 13/3/2023 3:50 pm
that was my main "surely i'm mistaken" moment in the process
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/3/2023 4:49 pm
This video talks VGHF, though I think it's funny they say, "A VGHF spokesperson..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyDmDzR99Fc
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Frank Cifaldi 13/3/2023 5:53 pm
uh oh what did I do
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/3/2023 5:59 pm
They were referring to the Nintendo store thing. Was just funny to think of you guys just having "spokespeople" (edited)
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https://twitter.com/microids_off/status/1635190463882985475?s=46&t=aXTa8C_4GkMQtI3FZPEk8Q well that came out of nowhere…did you see this @Kate Willært ?
Ready to play as the greatest bounty hunter in space ? We are happy to announce that a Space Adventure Cobra game is in the works for consoles & PC! More information soon.
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Oh I just spotted this
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Of all people, wasn't expecting them. But also, they're based in France, which makes maybe a little more sense? They do seem to like City Hunter and COBRA.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/3/2023 6:34 pm
We are in the era of the Cobra renaissance.
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Jeremy Seith 13/3/2023 7:02 pm
oh hell yeah
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https://twitter.com/microids_off/status/1635190463882985475?s=46&t=aXTa8C_4GkMQtI3FZPEk8Q well that came out of nowhere…did you see this @Kate Willært ?
Kate Willært 13/3/2023 7:06 pm
Ha, wouldn't it be great if it was a Metroidvania?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/3/2023 7:08 pm
hmm, I mainly remember Microids for strategy simulations and point and click adventure games
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I'm sure they've done other things too
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It will just be a faithful remake of the sega cd game… wishful thinking.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/3/2023 7:09 pm
this said, I like this idea of big properties being games made in countries where the property got more popular
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Or a port of THE PSYCHO GUN arcade
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/3/2023 7:11 pm
wondering why, say, no devs in Mexico have been allowed to make Dragonball games
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Or Saint Seiya.
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There was a Saint Seiya fan game made recently for the Gameboy, though.
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Complete with a spanish and english version.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/3/2023 7:12 pm
though i suppose Power Rangers Battle for the Grid counts for this too
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I'm a little surprised the (pretty awesome) Saint Seiya fighting game managed to make it outside of Japan, and get a Steam version.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
wondering why, say, no devs in Mexico have been allowed to make Dragonball games
there was a european group trying to make several Star Sherriff games but that whole project seemed like a disaster from the start
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LongwoodGeek 13/3/2023 8:26 pm
Ahoy all! I hope everyone is doing well. New member but contributed some stuff already 😄
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/3/2023 8:32 pm
welcome aboard!
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LongwoodGeek 13/3/2023 8:33 pm
Thanks!
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Phil Salvador 13/3/2023 8:34 pm
Hey welcome!
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Frank Cifaldi 13/3/2023 8:55 pm
Welcome!!!
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LongwoodGeek
Ahoy all! I hope everyone is doing well. New member but contributed some stuff already 😄
Dylan Mansfield 13/3/2023 9:09 pm
Welcome!
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Also a new member, hello all!
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Welcome new folks! pikachuhighfive
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Hi hi welcome! 👋bubsy
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LongwoodGeek 14/3/2023 4:02 pm
Thanks for the welcome everyone! Currently working on getting my Greaseweazle to play with my disks so I can get some archiving done!
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Phil Salvador 14/3/2023 4:03 pm
Oh man it's a long outstanding to-do item for me to finally get ours set up, I feel your pain
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We're borrowing an Applesauce, which we'll use to figure out the jumper settings, then order a Greaseweazle
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Luckily you will find all sorts of like-minded people in #hardware !
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Phil Salvador
We're borrowing an Applesauce, which we'll use to figure out the jumper settings, then order a Greaseweazle
izzy (she/her) 14/3/2023 4:59 pm
i’m not going to bother looking these things up so i’ll assume they’re real but they sound extremely made up
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LongwoodGeek 14/3/2023 5:29 pm
@izzy (she/her) They're great for pulling full SCP archives of floppy disks from 5.25" up to 8" and it is format agnostic as it reads the magnetic flux on the disk to make a "better than bit perfect" image.
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izzy (she/her)
i’m not going to bother looking these things up so i’ll assume they’re real but they sound extremely made up
Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/3/2023 5:35 pm
i love how hobbyist electronics took over from the inventors of the 1950s and earlier as far as naming stuff as absurdly as possible
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i especially love "Snark Barker"and "Big Mess of Wires"
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Phil Salvador
We're borrowing an Applesauce, which we'll use to figure out the jumper settings, then order a Greaseweazle
this sentence isn't real
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Phil Salvador 14/3/2023 6:39 pm
I've seen enough games like Gribbly's Day Out to say that digital preservation can have some nonsense names too, as a treat
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/3/2023 6:44 pm
it'll be difficult to dethrone the likes of Fat Worm Blows a Sparky
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/3/2023 6:45 pm
a very descriptive name for that game admittedly
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/3/2023 6:46 pm
y'know, if anybody here messes with neural network generation, try feeding it a list of names of UK microcomputer games and see what comes out
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@izzy (she/her) They're great for pulling full SCP archives of floppy disks from 5.25" up to 8" and it is format agnostic as it reads the magnetic flux on the disk to make a "better than bit perfect" image.
Jeremy Seith 14/3/2023 7:22 pm
also $20 cheaper than the Device Side Driver floppy controller. that helps me a little bit!
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Least Weasel 14/3/2023 7:53 pm
I feel by name alone I ought to know what a greaseweazle is and am ashamed to admit I don't. (edited)
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Oh, it's an Amiga thing, cool
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LongwoodGeek 14/3/2023 9:03 pm
@Least Weasel Not just Amiga, its format agnostic
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Least Weasel 14/3/2023 9:09 pm
Ooooooo
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Wietse van Bruggen 14/3/2023 9:38 pm
Gonna see the Tetris movie tomorrow. Both excited and worried about it.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/3/2023 9:40 pm
I'm seeing the pinball movie tomorrow!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I'm seeing the pinball movie tomorrow!
Nate Lockhart 14/3/2023 10:38 pm
Excited to hear what you think - I really wanna see it if I can ever get the opportunity
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Wietse van Bruggen
Gonna see the Tetris movie tomorrow. Both excited and worried about it.
Least Weasel 14/3/2023 10:57 pm
How are you getting it early? I'm super jealous
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Least Weasel
How are you getting it early? I'm super jealous
Wietse van Bruggen 14/3/2023 10:59 pm
Premiere tomorrow at SXSW
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Least Weasel 14/3/2023 11:16 pm
Oooooooo
11:17 pm
I've got a friend that lives in Austin and always brags about renting his driveway for sxsw
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Frank Cifaldi 15/3/2023 12:56 am
There's a guy in SF though
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Jason Scott 15/3/2023 1:42 am
Talk to sf guy
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Frank Cifaldi 15/3/2023 1:42 am
I am
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watch that video anyways! amazing couple of guys
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Jason Scott 15/3/2023 3:35 pm
Computer shopper being picked up tomorrow
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Plans are to ship it out to me Friday
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LongwoodGeek 15/3/2023 4:25 pm
waves at Jason
4:25 pm
Working on those Reel to Reels I told you about a while back soon
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martin lindell is looking for which magazine this might be.. (this is a press clipping he got from DICE but it had no headers/footers)
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anyone know who Ken Brown wrote for circa early 2000s?
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LongwoodGeek 15/3/2023 4:40 pm
Computer Gaming World I think
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you are correct!
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LongwoodGeek 15/3/2023 4:42 pm
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nice!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/3/2023 5:13 pm
not one of those awards the Tommy Tallarico award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence
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"unprepared host Jeff Green"
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how many carpets died so that rich vogel could wear a sweater?!?
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(... also I kind of want it.)
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it looks very cozy
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It belongs in a museum
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Frank Cifaldi 15/3/2023 6:55 pm
Only the VGHF is brave enough to admit to sorting concept art on the floor
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Telltale pitch I guess
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wow what an interesting idea
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Phil Salvador 15/3/2023 7:14 pm
Oh wow
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Matt Clawson 15/3/2023 7:31 pm
Dude
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 15/3/2023 7:33 pm
would actually make a good Telltale game tbh
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Why game archivists are dreading this month’s 3DS/Wii U eShop shutdown https://t.co/41eyRzoa1X by @KyleOrl / @KyleOrl@mastodon.social
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Still Lewin holds out hope that ESA members and the US Copyright Office might come around on this issue. She notes that the ESA originally argued against a proposed DMCA exemption to allow libraries to break online-activation DRM for "abandoned" single-player games. But after the Copyright Office granted that exemption in 2015, the ESA dropped its objection to the now-extant exception during subsequent rulemaking processes. That change suggests to Lewin that "the ESA seems to agree with us that institutions can be trusted to use these exemptions responsibly. We encourage them to work with institutions on reasonable expansions rather than continuing to fight them. The preservation of video game history benefits us all, including ESA's clientele."
let's gooooo
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LongwoodGeek 15/3/2023 9:27 pm
Woot woot!
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ah yesh
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Phil Salvador 15/3/2023 9:42 pm
We all had so many good quotes in here
9:42 pm
I'm really happy with "Requiring researchers to access games on-site can be prohibitive. It discourages use of institutional game collections, and in turn, it discourages institutions from maintaining them."
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Jason Scott 15/3/2023 10:18 pm
Where's my name in this
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Phil Salvador 15/3/2023 10:33 pm
Also for folks just joining this conversation: this article is about the specific problem we're doing the game reissue study for
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Jason scott, running at full speed with hundreds of games, was unavailable for comment
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LuigiBlood
...we may be able to preserve it if we're lucky
How is the collectors scene in Japan? I heard little about it. Someone must have saved this.
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Japan is... not always the sharing type
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let's say it like that
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We've been lucky though because a japanese person has been constantly buying Satellaview memory packs for us
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like we dumped 10 in the past two months
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and there's more coming soon
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Sometimes the person asks for money, but most of the time, not really
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but this person is also a real nerd and then talked about preserving a PS1 RPG Maker game
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and managed to buy a Memory Card with the label for it
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we'll see how it goes
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I had to figure out how to raw dump a PS1 memory card
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lol
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LuigiBlood
and managed to buy a Memory Card with the label for it
Thats something, lets hope its a hit
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we'll see
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the reason I wanna do a RAW dump is because it's possible to restore data
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if it was deleted but not replaced by any other data
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then you can still restore it
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it is a very unlikely thing to preserve, to say the least
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but I'm familiar with RPG Makers on PS1
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Ballz / NewsFedora 16/3/2023 12:28 am
Fingers crossed, I’m liking this friend of yours in Japan.
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Let me know if you figure that out, will be useful for dongles and stuff
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 1:37 am
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Phil Salvador 16/3/2023 1:40 am
Hey we just learned about a game that didn't exist that he wasn't in
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Phil Salvador
Hey we just learned about a game that didn't exist that he wasn't in
Dylan Mansfield 16/3/2023 2:01 am
?
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Phil Salvador 16/3/2023 2:01 am
Wait I assumed that was Jeff Bridges (edited)
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Who is that
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Dylan Mansfield 16/3/2023 2:05 am
Henk Rogers
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Phil Salvador 16/3/2023 2:08 am
oh lmao right because Tetris
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Dylan Mansfield 16/3/2023 2:19 am
Kate’s wish for a Coen Bros. Tetris movie has never been more real
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 2:27 am
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Jeremy Seith 16/3/2023 2:36 am
it's doubly funny because alexey looks a little like leonard maltin in that first pic
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Kate Willært 16/3/2023 2:49 am
Was it good?
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 2:53 am
It was a fun watch. It takes some liberties with the story. Audience was engaged. I’m a little worried that audiences will take the whole KGB evil agents story line that was added as truth.
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Kate Willært 16/3/2023 2:53 am
Oof (edited)
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We need to add some zest! Pizzazz! KGB, that'll do it!
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 2:58 am
Rogers and Pajitnov, said the story was emotionally, intellectually and spiritually close to the truth. They didn’t wanna get specific on what was tweaked. For an audience that isn’t informed about the story already it’ll be tough to pick up what was embellished.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/3/2023 3:00 am
I was with Roger Sharpe tonight
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 3:02 am
Nice!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/3/2023 3:02 am
Many miles apart but joined in spirit
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Kate Willært 16/3/2023 3:03 am
Was it good?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/3/2023 3:05 am
Waiting to get home, but mostly yes. It's a love story set in a period rather than a real period piece.
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Video of the q&a
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Kate Willært 16/3/2023 3:18 am
Hm
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/3/2023 3:25 am
You are correct Densy.
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As to Pinball, it's a movie that owns its inaccuracies to play up the moment. It has a whole framing device of "older Roger" telling the story and filling in details. It gets a little overused as they keep coming back to the joke that he's talking about his relationship rather than pinball, but that's what the movie's about so it's kinda weird to lampshade... At the end the older Roger says all the things that are wrong with the movie historically speaking. It hits the important points. The two leads have solid chemistry. Seeing some of the pinball people who started in the 30s portrayed was really cool. It kind of leaves all subplots by the wayside at the end, but they weren't all that developed anyways. It's a solid watch.
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Kate Willært 16/3/2023 4:17 am
Sounds interesting
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Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 4:41 am
Here's my full thoughts on the Tetris movie: I got to attend the Tetris movie premiere at SXSW today, here's some of my thoughts. The movie was fun to watch, the audience was very engaged. Scenes that got particular big reaction was the reveal of the Game Boy to Rogers during his visit with Nintendo of America. The history of Tetris is definitely very interesting. But it’s also to a big extent a story focused on the interaction of different legal and political systems and lots of contract negotiations. To make this interesting for a broad audience is challenging. The movie does take liberties with the actual story as we know it through game historians, which to a point is to be expected in condensing a story spanning several years into a two hour experience. The whole Maxwell/Stein/Rogers/Belikov negotiations take up considerable screen time. This part of the story of Tetris is quite a complex story to tell in a two hour movie. Though there are definitely parts of this story simplified, it also trusts the audience of the movie to follow the complexities of it. I would love to know the opinion of historians who are more deeply familiair with this storyline, I personally felt this part was to some extent quite fairly portrayed. There is an added fictional storyline in the movie though that does have an impact on the negotiations story line. This makes that part of movie more engaging for the audience, but also less close to the truth as we know it. The story line involves corrupt KGB agents and spies that as far as a I know has very little to do with the truth, including car chases to the airport and threats to both Henk Rogers and Alexey Pajitnov’s families. For an audience that doesn’t know the story of Tetris to some extent already, I’m worried they take this added storyline as truth, as this movie will quite likely become the dominant version of the story of Tetris. Another omission is explaining what Elorg really was. I'm not sure if the audience really understands why it played a pivotal part. The relationship between Henk Rogers and Hiroshi Yamauchi is only lightly touched upon and simplified. The omission that I think hurts the most in terms of credits is the omission of Vadim Gerasimov. Gerasimov was responsible of the PC port of the game and added features like a scoreboard. Gerasimov doesn't play much of a part throughout the while storyline, but at least mention of his name or a character that was clearly identifiable as him would've been a nice touch. One scene in particularly stood out to me as untruthful, and in my opinion gives Rogers far too much credit for the core game play development of Tetris. In a scene Rogers gets invited to Pajitnovs home and Pajitnov is showing the original version of the game. It shows the game in a state where it doesn’t clear lines, and Rogers says it would be more fun if lines would vanish. Rogers and Pajitnov then start coding this up and developing that part of the game play. This is really far from the truth, this feature was already in the game a long time before they met. Overall: a fun and engaging movie to watch about a pivotal game in the development of the medium. It's focused on people and less on technology, which makes it engaging for a broad audience. There are some quite big liberties taken as well, which can be tough or impossible to spot for an audience unfamiliar with the original story, which will be most people. The most positive effect this movie could possible have for me would be that this movie will be a motivator for people to get engaged more with game history. I hope after seeing this movie people will want to know more about it and dig deeper, and learn where the movie embellishes the history or is pretty faithful to it. (edited)
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there should be some sort of "talking dead" style video that releases with every one of these documentaries that breaks down all the composite characters and half-truths so audiences have the full story available to them without much issue. but of course that'd ruin the fun (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 16/3/2023 2:41 pm
This is a really good report, thank you for sharing!
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Jason Scott 16/3/2023 8:08 pm
OKAY FINALLY
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FINALLY
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I'm digitizing those GDC Cassettes PROPERLY, as .FLAC files, on pro hardware, as we go, through the next few days.
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This is the basically full 1999 set.
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Jeremy Seith 16/3/2023 8:26 pm
sick
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Jeremy Seith 16/3/2023 9:17 pm
flac for space?
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Frank Cifaldi
This is a really good report, thank you for sharing!
Wietse van Bruggen 16/3/2023 10:18 pm
Thanks!
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Jason Scott 17/3/2023 12:58 am
Flac for quality and space
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You can make anything out of a flac.
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Jeremy Seith 17/3/2023 4:24 am
add a little water and it makes a good enough egg substitute for baking
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With a flac and a chewed gum, MacGyver fixed a nuclear plant once
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Frank Cifaldi 18/3/2023 3:30 am
@Dylan Mansfield you'll like this. Randomly pulled some DTMC files today because we had a visitor who worked there, and noticed the little blurb on the bottom for the first time. We finally know which publisher was attached to Dr. Franken for the NES in the U.S.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/3/2023 3:55 am
Oh neat
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Frank Cifaldi 18/3/2023 3:56 am
He brought in his DTMC floppies and we were really hoping he had the expanded SNES version of the Lynx game Gordo 106, but he did not. Oh also there was going to be an expanded SNES version of the Lynx game Gordo 106.
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Frank Cifaldi
He brought in his DTMC floppies and we were really hoping he had the expanded SNES version of the Lynx game Gordo 106, but he did not. Oh also there was going to be an expanded SNES version of the Lynx game Gordo 106.
Dylan Mansfield 18/3/2023 4:03 am
Early game by the Blizzard founders!
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Frank Cifaldi 18/3/2023 4:03 am
Yup!
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It's not great but it's a Lynx highlight for me
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/3/2023 4:12 am
Definitely one of the more interesting games on the machine
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(though my heart is forever with Crystal Mines 2)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/3/2023 4:17 am
I remember getting Dr Franken for game boy as a kid when my mom found a copy just lying in the parking lot at a department store
4:17 am
Very weird game, but the price was right
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Dylan Mansfield
Early game by the Blizzard founders!
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/3/2023 4:52 am
Blizzard North specifically.
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LongwoodGeek 18/3/2023 10:29 pm
Not sure if anyone heard but Genna Bain is thinking about taking all of TotalBiscuit's videos offline so no one could use them for AI training of his voice, etc. I'm in the process of backing them all up now.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/3/2023 10:31 pm
Wow that's a... Weird reason. Thanks for backing them up though.
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LongwoodGeek 18/3/2023 10:32 pm
Genna is awesome, and amazing, but also a bit paranoid. Not saying she is wrong or right in this case given all the deep fakes being made. Wasn't sure if @Jason Scott was interested too, and where I should story a copy.
10:32 pm
Yeah, I gotta get FrankenServer back up and running...28TB of storage is looking good right now.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/3/2023 10:33 pm
I grew up watching TB so it'll be a big loss his content won't be accessible anymore. C'est la vie.
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LongwoodGeek 18/3/2023 10:34 pm
I got to meet him once at the Escapist Expo, along with Yahtzee, MovieBob, Jim Sterling, most of LRR, Miracle of Sound, and a few more. Super awesome people! I also got to meet in person Josh Fairhurst then when he was still just Mighty Rabbit Studios with Saturday Morning RPG.
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Jason Scott 18/3/2023 11:12 pm
Everything out of my mouth about this situation is not pleasant.
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I feel like the videos are already out there, I'd rather have them stay so people can verify what was actually said in a video. But I get it.
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Jason Scott 19/3/2023 12:16 am
It is the stupidest thing I've heard this month but I will forgive a grieving Widow for feeling a second loss of the work of their husband
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for anyone who didn't see, VGHF will be the recipient of these accounts: https://twitter.com/Completionist/status/1637180658765426688
This maybe the biggest and most expensive video I’ve ever made. It took me almost a whole year. It was a long and intense journey. I bought EVERY Nintendo Wii U and Nintendo 3DS game from the Eshop before they’re closed. This is how it went. https://t.co/qGMQGJBksN
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Frank Cifaldi 19/3/2023 6:25 pm
I think for me the more important takeaway is that the only "legal" access for ever researching these games is going through the absolute madness that they did to download them all, maintaining a singular piece of hardware tied to the license forever, and only allowing people to come on site to play
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Although I suppose we could legally circumvent copy protection on these and have a "clean room" ROM set, theoretically?
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Least Weasel 19/3/2023 7:18 pm
I don't know how to say how awesome that is
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Phil Salvador 19/3/2023 7:46 pm
As a library, we can legally circumvent copy protection to get these games playable in an emulator, but people will still have to physically come to our library and sit down to play them (edited)
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Which is a very good example of both how helpful and how limited those exemptions are (edited)
7:48 pm
I don't think there's a browser-based 3DS or Wii U emulator, so practically there's not much of a difference, but still
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/3/2023 7:50 pm
Maybe one day
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is the "physically there" part strictly written, or nobody wants to try to find loopholes?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/3/2023 9:10 pm
Under current dmca rules and exemptions, you need to be physically there for game software
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Phil Salvador
As a library, we can legally circumvent copy protection to get these games playable in an emulator, but people will still have to physically come to our library and sit down to play them (edited)
Jeremy Seith 19/3/2023 9:13 pm
is that with legal ownership of a rom or how does that work? how would that apply to branches?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Under current dmca rules and exemptions, you need to be physically there for game software
but is it written that the software needs to be there, or the person needs to be there, or both?
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if there is a security camera and you see someone else playing a game, is that ok?
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Phil Salvador 19/3/2023 9:34 pm
Lemme grab the exact terminology
9:36 pm
Sorry, I misinterpreted. The existing exemptions are specifically for games that are completely playable offline but have online copy protection
9:38 pm
Breaking copy protection to get games off DRM-controlled consoles could probably be argued under fair use but I don't think there's a specific exemption for that (edited)
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I can't find specific language, but the restriction is that use has to be on the premises of the library
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I know when we were working with copyright at my old university, our counsel defined "premises" at being the entire campus
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But I think generally it's meant to keep things in a controlled environment, like a reading room, that could theoretically be monitored
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And worth noting that they didn't go for affiliate archivists off-site in the last hearing
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Jeremy Seith 19/3/2023 10:09 pm
mm, so no outreach services
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Phil Salvador 19/3/2023 10:23 pm
Now to be fair, there's still good fair use arguments for these things! In many cases it's probably still okay. There's just legal risk involved and there's not an explicit exemption
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I know digital availability feels like a duh decision, but it's also not strange to me to establish that one must be at the location to do research for a work in the context of the original hardware
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Which will be more and more a thing in the coming decades as the hardware continues to give up the ghost
10:37 pm
Except original Game Boy. Original Game Boy defies the laws of physics
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and the NES
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Totally forgot about the unreleased games featured on the back: https://twitter.com/stevenplin/status/1637592442798211072?s=20 (edited)
I only have a handful of sealed NES games but my favorite is this Vic Tokai Golgomania Pack that includes an issue of The Impossible Hit. Note the two unreleased games (Chester Field & Aigina's Prophecy) on the back cover of the comic
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Frank Cifaldi 20/3/2023 12:11 am
Yeah! I picked up the comic since it seemed vaguely related
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/3/2023 2:37 am
golgospin
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Jason Scott 20/3/2023 2:40 am
Tomorrow's an exciting day, IA in Court
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When Shadsy finds me hiding somewhere in the VGHF magazine inbox pile, don't snitch
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billscat-socks 20/3/2023 2:49 am
good luck, i dread thinking of IA ever being taken down someday
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Phil Salvador 20/3/2023 2:52 am
I'd recommend hiding in the video magazine section, I'm never gonna get to that
2:52 am
But seriously good luck to the Internet Archive tomorrow (edited)
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Jason Scott 20/3/2023 2:54 am
I have serious doubts we'll be taken down, but behavior could be modified. I could be part of the old regime and ejected, freeing up my calendar
2:55 am
Sweet, sweet freedom
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it’s going to be hard not to like, genuinely give up on the world if IA goes. I can’t imagine it happening but any real blow would be awful
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Jason Scott 20/3/2023 1:10 pm
I have meaningless opinions
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/3/2023 1:17 pm
it would certainly make my work more onerous
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it’s going to be hard not to like, genuinely give up on the world if IA goes. I can’t imagine it happening but any real blow would be awful
Least Weasel 20/3/2023 2:20 pm
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LongwoodGeek 20/3/2023 2:47 pm
So 535 videos left to download! Thank goodness for 1gbps and unlimited data!
2:49 pm
Unfortunately unless anyone has links for unlisted videos, or a playlist that contains them, I don't have a way to get them I don't think.
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Jason Scott 20/3/2023 5:18 pm
Lawsuit and Chill on twitch.tv/textfiles
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(Plus also imaging Microsoft Office)
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Got the birthday stickers and thank you card yay
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Jason Scott 20/3/2023 7:10 pm
Happy to record the GDC 1999 tapes are now digitizing properly, and at good rates, and good sizes, and there will be a megaobject of the new set when I'm done. There's SO MANY TAPES
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A long-dormant project coming along.
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Phil Salvador 20/3/2023 7:18 pm
I was trying to react with a cassette tape emote but that doesn't exist? At least on Discord
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/3/2023 8:09 pm
yeah nah there's not an audio tape emoji in the Unicode Consortium set
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📼 there's a video tape though
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LongwoodGeek 20/3/2023 10:52 pm
Got 1,070 TB videos downloaded. Now to figure out where to put them! FrankenServer WILL be making a return. Gonna see if I can DOUBLE the 28TB it had last time.
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1,070 TB? Is that a metric comma?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/3/2023 2:22 am
Learned about the passing of Larry Leppert, early Atari technician and engineer. Infamously a member of the splinter group Fun Games, Leppert was one of the early pioneers of video game technology and unfortunately was never interviewed about his career. (Far left)
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Nate Lockhart 21/3/2023 4:08 am
Ugh, that sucks
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LongwoodGeek 21/3/2023 4:13 am
@ColdPie the TB in this case means TotalBiscuit, the YouTuber. We do have a 1.9PB Qumulo system where I work as a SysAdmin. We’re a scientific research institute so that is all data or software the researchers need.
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Jason Scott 21/3/2023 9:36 am
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No idea why Leppert might not have rushed to being interviewed in years hence
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So I spoke about preserving a Famitsu RPG Maker PS1 game not long ago (edited)
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Unfortunately FF7 saves ruined that a bit.
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so we're missing one part of it
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also all these saves were deleted but MemcardRex can restore them (this is specifically the reason I insisted on RAW dumps)
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Ballz / NewsFedora 21/3/2023 12:25 pm
Dang, that’s too bad. Here’s hoping another memory card turns up
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Jason Scott
No idea why Leppert might not have rushed to being interviewed in years hence
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/3/2023 1:25 pm
Well according to another guy who worked there, this story isn't quite accurate. He may have been bitter about the legal fallout, but the guy I was in contact with said that Leppert simply became the end-man in a bad chain of custody of stolen product. They had acquired Atari parts through a party that was supposed to have gone through legitimate means of buying Atari ROMs - that way they could legally reverse engineer them - but apparently the person had swiped those. So Leppert's efforts were rendered illegitimate because of where the materials came from. Ultimately, the guy reached out repeatedly to Leppert for me. Don't know when he died or if he was sick, but he didn't get a response even having previously been in contact.
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Jason Scott 21/3/2023 3:47 pm
I've spoken to atari guys who never ever ever want to talk about their days
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I'm mostly saying loss aversion with relation to oral history isn't a healthy thing
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Frank Cifaldi 21/3/2023 3:49 pm
The older I get the more I realize entropy is what makes history exciting
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/3/2023 3:58 pm
I've really only ran into a couple Atari guys who weren't interested in talking
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Jason Scott 21/3/2023 4:12 pm
Right. I'd just tell you that it's not good to get emotional about "missing" some
4:12 pm
Some people were never meant to be sat down
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/3/2023 4:36 pm
Normally when legal processes are involved - whether they were right or not - that shuts people up. Not always, but telling your side of the story to a stranger feels like you're making yourself vulnerable.
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I don't want to talk abut the one time I almost got sued.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/3/2023 4:37 pm
also see the Atari Games folks from the Nintendo lawsuit
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Nintendo's proclaimed their side of the story but they don't want to open themselves up to legal repercussions even now
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Frank Cifaldi 21/3/2023 4:55 pm
Trying to unseal the court docs as fast as I can!!
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And if that does not work, we assemble a team and hit NARA Oceans 11 style!
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Frank Cifaldi
The older I get the more I realize entropy is what makes history exciting
Least Weasel 21/3/2023 5:02 pm
That is the best way I've ever heard to put a positive spin on everything (including yourself) falling apart
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/3/2023 5:02 pm
oh yeah if those docs are unsealed it'd probably be much easier for me to hit up Ed Logg and get them to spill the beans entirely
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5:02 pm
as opposed to the current "dancing around the topic" approach
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Frank Cifaldi
The older I get the more I realize entropy is what makes history exciting
Ethan Whitted 22/3/2023 4:48 am
I hate how much I've had that same feeling.
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"My biggest enemy, you are what motivates me."
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Ethan Whitted 22/3/2023 5:01 am
It's like when I am trying to edit a wiki and wish that the subject company could just slow down and not publish content for a while so I could catch up on writing about the backlog of their content.... But then when they actually go silent I become unmotivated and don't write nearly as much anymore.
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Phil Salvador 23/3/2023 2:47 am
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/3/2023 3:50 am
They weren't given the photo of the younger her?
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Phil Salvador 23/3/2023 4:04 am
There were three photos total, the Sumerian Game photo in our archive, the picture of her in red, and that one
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The slideshow went quickly and didn't loop, so I didn't get a pic of the other ones. That one was up for most of the speech (edited)
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SowingShade 23/3/2023 4:15 am
Ah, I wasn’t expecting a “thank you” note, or anything else for that matter. Nevertheless, this put a smile on my face. I’m pleased to be able help, in my small way. (edited)
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(Please forgive this brief interruption to your regularly scheduled discussions.)
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Phil Salvador 23/3/2023 4:24 am
Thank you for your support!!
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SowingShade 23/3/2023 4:48 am
Originally, I fully intended to look into volunteer work, but time has become a bit more precious for me. It’ll always be in the back of mind, should circumstances change, though.
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Frank Cifaldi
Trying to unseal the court docs as fast as I can!!
Even the current version of Atari likes to seal court documents. Can’t see most of the stuff in the cases where Feargal Mac and Rob Wyatt sued Chesnais Atari over non-payment for their work on the 2020 Atari VCS mini-computer. Don’t know why.
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I assume they convinced a judge that embarrassing info was actually trade secrets.
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Jason Scott 23/3/2023 9:15 pm
Randomly preserved from Umatic tape:
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Kate Willært 24/3/2023 12:34 am
Nice, does it give a little tour?
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Jason Scott 24/3/2023 2:13 am
No, just outtakes of a music video never released
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Pasokon Deacon 24/3/2023 5:42 am
finally, a brand new way to play the original Hydlide https://twitter.com/gematsu/status/1639113248648855552
Project EGG retro games coming to Switch https://t.co/wep1qmFQbS
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ToastmanJack 24/3/2023 12:37 pm
hi I just decided to give money to VGHF cause I love games
godman 2
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Pasokon Deacon
finally, a brand new way to play the original Hydlide https://twitter.com/gematsu/status/1639113248648855552
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/3/2023 12:38 pm
Hope this means we get aleste 2
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ToastmanJack
hi I just decided to give money to VGHF cause I love games
Frank Cifaldi 24/3/2023 12:51 pm
Hi, welcome! Thanks for joining us
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ToastmanJack 24/3/2023 12:51 pm
Hello!
12:53 pm
I've loved hearing about all the preservation projects the VGHF has undertaken and hearing about the closing of the Wii U/3DS eshops spurred me on to donate
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I'm in Australia which isn't a major market for games but its always been a unique market
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I even just remembered, I've got a bunch of Nintendo promo materials from the 3DS era that I never threw out which was lucky
12:57 pm
but now I don't know exactly where I left it lol
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Hope this means we get aleste 2
Pasokon Deacon 24/3/2023 2:34 pm
Any of the WOOMB releases for MSX2 could work, really. I just wish they'd feel bold enough to try those localization projects again, now that there's a much more willing and interested audience than in 2006.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/3/2023 3:32 pm
What would one call this type of image that was used in newspapers and whatnot back in the day? I don't believe a "print" is accurate.
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We would just call it "art" around the newsroom, but admittedly, I might not be old enough to accurately answer. (00s newsrooms.)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/3/2023 3:43 pm
I think art is the general term for that kind of thing yeah
3:43 pm
Promotional image, since that one seems to be from Atari
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ToastmanJack
hi I just decided to give money to VGHF cause I love games
Phil Salvador 24/3/2023 5:55 pm
Welcome!!
6:39 pm
Coming along.
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Currently digitizing Paul Steed.
6:44 pm
So, I did SOME amount of GDC 1999 ago, but they were all mp3s done in the non-pro collection. This will replace them all.
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VGHF now adorns my woodworking tool chest
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Least Weasel 24/3/2023 8:38 pm
I am excited, there is a retro game expo at a local brewery near me tomorrow
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ColdPie
VGHF now adorns my woodworking tool chest
Least Weasel 24/3/2023 8:38 pm
OH, those tools are exciting
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Least Weasel
OH, those tools are exciting
They are! You can see my projects here, and if you have an SA forums account, I hosted a long project thread in DIY last year where I built a cabinet with them. https://www.smokingonabike.com/projects/
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Phil Salvador 24/3/2023 10:43 pm
Hachette wins summary judgment vs. Internet Archive https://www.docdroid.net/qM0MbI7/ia-sjm-order-pdf (edited)
Case 1:20-cv-04160-JGK-OTW Document 188 Filed 03/24/23 Page 1 of 47. UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ─────────────────────────────── HACHETTE BOOK GROUP, INC., ET AL.,. 20-cv-4160 (JGK). Plaintiffs,. OPINION & ORDER. - against INTERNET ARCHIVE, ET AL., Defendants. ──────── ...
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Not sure what this means yet
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Phil Salvador 24/3/2023 10:58 pm
Reading through the opinion now. It largely strikes down the idea of CDL altogether as being an unauthorized reproduction of a work rather than transformative
10:59 pm
also mentioning that IA profits from the reproductions in the form of positive reputation, a growing userbase that makes donations, etc.
11:01 pm
There's a lot of focus on the fact that the books in the lawsuits are available as licensable eBooks, and IA is lending their scans instead of licensing them from the publisher that controls the copyright, which deprives them of revenue (edited)
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The judge says that something like Google Books is transformative because it's full-text search without providing the original books, which has a focus on utility rather than reproduction
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"Even full enforcement of a one-to-one owned-to-loaned ratio, however, would not excuse IA’s reproduction of the Works in Suit" <--- I am not a lawyer, but I feel like that pretty much says "CDL is copyright infringement"
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There's probably shades to this that I'll leave it to legal scholars to unpack (edited)
11:13 pm
I'm interested to see how this applies to out-of-print, unlicensable historical material under copyright, which is not the focus of the suit but wouldn't be any more transformative (edited)
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Phil Salvador 24/3/2023 11:28 pm
From a library copyright lawyer friend: "This is the kind of case where most district court opinions get appealed. I would be a bit surprised, given the effort IA has put into this so far, if they don't appeal this decision - and decisions from a higher court might change the game a lot."
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Phil Salvador
also mentioning that IA profits from the reproductions in the form of positive reputation, a growing userbase that makes donations, etc.
i feel like stuff like this feels so vague that it NEEDS to be appealed and brought to a higher court
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it reads to me like if money is involved ANYWHERE in the process, if donations are accepted for one cause, it's therefore going to the entire cause and any efforts to increase "reputation" are seen as a way to gain profit from something even if that something doesn't generate profit itself
11:51 pm
kinda feels like a really loose set of rules that should be stamped out harder. if a business accepts money for one product (say for instance, t-shirts), but is otherwise not for profit, does it therefore suddenly become unacceptable to break copyright law, whereas if it weren't making money, it'd be fine? (edited)
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i was not a fan of the Internet Archive's 'National Emergency Library' - https://blog.archive.org/national-emergency-library/ - which is what got them into this problem in the first place. It was a wonderful thing to do but it did feel like an over-reach, and I think it pushed the publishers to be more aggressive.
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(i'm a big fan of the internet archive overall, obviously.)
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Phil Salvador 25/3/2023 12:00 am
Yeah the "they're profiting through reputation" seems like a stretch
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And yes you're right Simon
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i think it was flying too close to the sun, but also like, what else are we going to do? live under constant fear that at any moment, some court order could strike down years and years of the hard work of thousands of archivists? at some point, the line has to be pushed and copyright needs to inherently change. you can strategize all you want, but they're always going to have more strategy, more time, and more lawyers than us. there's no real strategy to defend against that.
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i'm not sure that anything in this suit will affect the areas that copyright needs to most change in tho (which is probably length).
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but we'll see how it goes!
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Yeah, I'm honestly more hopeful than anything that it has a future in court of appeals. Really cementing down the rights of people who want to play in this grey space might actually be beneficial, as it allows the present archivists and the copyright holders to duke it out and set the standards on how far is too far.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/3/2023 1:25 am
i am not a lawyer (and didn't read the whole file), but i feel like if IA appeals, they should really push against the "profiting through reputation" part, because if Hachette has not defined that very clearly, something tells me that somebody could use that down the line to claim something was "for profit" even if it did not, or had no way to, take any income from it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/3/2023 1:41 am
Yeah, functionally digital controlled lending seems like it should be just like physical lending already permitted, this licensure argument going somewhere in district court is disappointing. But obviously the unlimited lending program was very ill advised
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They just wanted an excuse and that was custom ordered
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Jason Scott 25/3/2023 1:44 am
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Today’s lower court decision in Hachette v. Internet Archive is a blow to all libraries and the communities we serve. This decision impacts libraries across the US who rely on controlled digital lending to connect their patrons with books online. It hurts authors by saying that unfair licensing models are the only way their books […]
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Dylan Mansfield 25/3/2023 1:56 am
shoutout to this Discord for being the one spot having a healthy discussion about this situation (edited)
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every other place right now is just shitting themselves over Chuck Wendig for the umpteenth time
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Least Weasel 25/3/2023 2:12 am
I do love how chill and reasonable everyone here is
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It reminds me there are still some good places on the internet
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Jeremy Seith 25/3/2023 4:49 pm
it is a fantastic day for GLAM folks to take a break from twitter
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Least Weasel 25/3/2023 6:14 pm
Hmm?
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Gallaries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/3/2023 7:14 pm
makes more sense than what i thought it was
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Kate Willært 25/3/2023 7:17 pm
I would not have guessed correctly
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I was also assuming another meaning of GLAM, since a friend of mine last night was talking about posey parker getting yeeted out of NZ, and predictably JKR woke up this morning and decided to continue to remove any doubt as to her intentions
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it's been a busy saturday
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Least Weasel
Gallaries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums?
Jeremy Seith 25/3/2023 7:49 pm
that's the one. the feed would have you believe that info orgs and services outside of IA do not exist while citing Alexandria. in the way of engagement lies only madness. (edited)
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Sounds like a publicity problem. People care about the IA because they interact with the IA.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/3/2023 7:51 pm
Look who's visiting us at the Tron exhibit
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Frank Cifaldi 25/3/2023 8:04 pm
Hi Carly
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/3/2023 8:30 pm
I told her you said hello. Her reply, "I love Frank!"
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Frank Cifaldi 25/3/2023 8:39 pm
Aw
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/3/2023 9:11 pm
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/3/2023 10:12 pm
Carly is great, I haven’t seen her in years now
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Phil Salvador 27/3/2023 4:42 am
Carly rules
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Phil Salvador 27/3/2023 4:58 am
Many titles will disappear for good, as will the Virtual Console service…
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Phil Salvador 27/3/2023 5:21 am
Seeing reports that the plug has officially been pulled
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Phil Salvador 27/3/2023 6:08 am
Or it may be that the store is actually in maintenance in preparation for the last day, it's unclear
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maybe prep for the big money they're gonna make on the final day yea
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Is this what it feels like when the end of a MMO is nigh?
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Nintendo should send a eShop blade over to CHM
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Frank Cifaldi 27/3/2023 2:28 pm
End of the world event inside of the eShop
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retrohistories 27/3/2023 2:36 pm
come on, GMs, make everything cost a penny
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izzy (she/her) 27/3/2023 4:10 pm
is someone doing a stream just sitting on the home page so i can listen to shop music until the disconnect sound happens and then it's silence forever bc they should
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Wait is this RIP to online shop music?
5:37 pm
I can't recall if the modern stores have it
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the switch's eshop is extremely sterile and has no music
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It really is shocking to me how little the Switch has changed at all
6:50 pm
No themes, no music, the shop has been about as shitty and sluggish as it was when it first launched.
6:50 pm
I think the most we got for a significant update were folders iirc?
6:51 pm
Or arranging by tags maybe...
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 27/3/2023 6:51 pm
i don't remember getting folders
6:51 pm
but i haven't really explored my switch in a while
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Dylan Mansfield 27/3/2023 6:55 pm
I have way more than Twelve Tales to tell... 🤫 #intimsworld #conker #twelvetales #n64
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6:58 pm
Tim is not ready for these replies
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/3/2023 6:58 pm
Stamper trolling
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Cool, gold controller! 🙃 (edited)
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JJSignal
No themes, no music, the shop has been about as shitty and sluggish as it was when it first launched.
be glad they don't make the store worse every 3 years, like Sony does.
7:02 pm
I'd install custom firmware on my PS3 just to bring back the bubble version of the store
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Dylan Mansfield
Tim is not ready for these replies
Exactly what was to be expected by any of us though hah. I look forward to the negativity for my response to it belonging in a museum
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/3/2023 8:51 pm
NVM UK would love it I’m sure
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it's so weird to me that Tim Stamper was incognito for 30 years and just tweets weird stuff now
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billscat-socks 28/3/2023 3:54 am
he liked my tweet a week ago saying I hope we get a Conker ROM lol
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I'd love to see someone like Tim having found a way to release rare artifacts from the company they once worked for like this
3:55 am
I dunno how the legalities of it all would work but it just would be nice to see that workout somehow (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/3/2023 3:59 am
Personally I just hope he'll take this interest well beyond random prototypes. The Stampers have stories that should be told.
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billscat-socks 28/3/2023 4:01 am
Some sort of digital archive of their stories that also has lots of rare roms/data in general that compliments the story being told would be nice
4:02 am
would be next level history telling in a way no one's done before
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They were notably absent in the recent Goldeneye book from Boss Fight.
4:03 am
Well, obviously present, but I don't recall any direct quotes or anecdotes from them
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JJSignal
It really is shocking to me how little the Switch has changed at all
You're forgetting the wonderful day when they enabled the onboard bluetooth audio, rendering janky clip-on accessories like this completely moot
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
i don't remember getting folders
they're really more like tag clouds
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Oh right!
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Hahaha, it took them so long to do bluetooth audio hahahahaha
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oh my god, I forgot there were bluetooth audio accessories
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The Switch is definitely one of my favorite systems, but there's so much of it where I don't know if it's resting on laurels, busy developing The Next Thing, the pandemic, or just all three snowballing into not much happening significantly to the system's functions. I'm really curious what the next thing's OS will be like?
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It really made me miss the charm of the Wii/U/3DS' playfulness and activities outside of game software.
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Though out of all of them, the 3DS kinda became over encumbered after a while.
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But I liked themes on the 3DS, and loved how Sega went whole hog on them.
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yeah, I think most agree that the switch's user experience when it comes to the OS is very uhhh
7:07 pm
"mobile platform"
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Extremely sterile.
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yeah exactly
7:07 pm
you have 2 themes, dark mode and blinding white
7:07 pm
just like on phones
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I appreciate how quickly it loads up, and maybe that's the idea. Take the burden of all the bells and whistles off, and then you have a system that just is on. Maybe there was a snag with memory management and battery life if they had those bells and whistles. That's my guess anyway.
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maybe? Still doesn't explain why it looks so dull though
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Yeah, I can't see at least a simple "wallpaper" theme similar to the ones that matched the 3DS shells/simple themes taking up that much memory or battery life.
7:12 pm
Almost makes me nostalgic for Vita's OS.
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JJSignal
The Switch is definitely one of my favorite systems, but there's so much of it where I don't know if it's resting on laurels, busy developing The Next Thing, the pandemic, or just all three snowballing into not much happening significantly to the system's functions. I'm really curious what the next thing's OS will be like?
Tight controls, nice hardware, reliability/durability, and a sh!tload of games, including a healthy tendency to look back to the past is enough for me. I'll probably buy whatever they make next but I'm honestly quite content with it as it is. I mostly use the web store for buying stuff, and I rarely browse because I know what I'm looking for most of the time.
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I try to go physical for most games on it despite having the worst game loading mechanism (it's actually much better now after I replaced its original casing), but yeah. At the end of the day it's easy to turn on, not as fussy with updates, it's my second largest collection of games from the past generation next to my PC, and it's become the best Adventure Game/VN system.
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I only have a dev Xbox One, and the PS4 I only turn on if I really want to watch a blu-ray or play more Gravity Rush 2. It's the worst system to try and turn on to just play something if it's been off or sleeping for a while. Absolute worst.
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Oh oops I sneezed near the PS4 while it was sleeping! Time for it to tell me I turned it off improperly and now it needs to spend the next 10 minute rebuilding its database for some reason! Now I'm going to do something else.
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Was just reminded today that there was supposed to be a 4 part documentary on Mighty No 9 by 2 Player Productions, and only 1 episode was released.
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retrohistories 28/3/2023 8:59 pm
this is my documentary white whale.
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(this was back in 2015, it was never released)
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The "developer commentary" mode in the PC version of Godus is also wild
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it's like half walking a games publicist through the game, half talk about things that will be in the game later
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(that were never in the game later)
9:04 pm
well good thing Molyneux finally got his big break in crypto. I'm sure that worked out great for him.
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I’ve interviewed a lot of developers but he was the only one who insisted on taking his shoes off. Is this a thing that he does? Power move? Special for me? This was Fable 2 era
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I've half a mind to buy godus and get a supercut of every time Peter says "Now don't do _, or you may regret it later on". It's like a freudian tic.
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Jason Scott 28/3/2023 9:13 pm
Even though it is hard to estimate the precise number of playerswho emulate Nintendo Switch games on PC, it is easy to findmillion-follower online forums...
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"Now you just got a lot of stickers, and you may not know what to do with them yet, but don't use them all at once, or you might regret it later. Of course if you want to use the stickers, you should, but just keep in mind, that you might not." Gee Peter, thanks for that insight into the game development experience.
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good lord the 22cans crypto game sold off "land" for it, and most of the land has sold. only ones remaining are 5 plots for $60,000 each
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what kind of maniac making a video game looks at what they're doing and says "Yes this looks like $60,000 of value"
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Any time "...but pirates!!" is brought up I'm immediately tired and want to go to bed.
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this is my documentary white whale.
Jason Scott 29/3/2023 1:05 pm
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JJSignal
Any time "...but pirates!!" is brought up I'm immediately tired and want to go to bed.
Remember when RIAA assumed that most blank CDs were used for music piracy?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/3/2023 1:50 pm
We told you April was going to be crazy! Come meet @ubersaurus, @gamespite, @pettycommajared on April 15th! We’ll have early release copies of @PressRunBooks Atari Archive by Kevin there for signings. Oh! And we’re bringing back the Q&A at the Geekery Tavern too!
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Remember when RIAA assumed that most blank CDs were used for music piracy?
Like, I'm pretty sure I'm not a unicorn. A pirate's gonna pirate no matter what, but typically if there's something I like and also have pirated, if there's a nice version available to buy I'll more than likely buy it if I like it enough. I can't count how many times I've purchased Sega Ages stuff, especially Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone, on various systems just because I love M2's stuff, despite having almost everything in my room loaded with an emulator and those games on it.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 3:56 pm
Absolutely not unique, you buy when they're providing value that the ROMs do not
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Still got dumb mini consoles here, sans the NES mini. That isn't even really special emulation, but I kinda wanted the nice menus.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 3:56 pm
With the D.E. stuff I always said my target audience was the pirates
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Same. You make a nice bundle with stuff beyond the games themselves and I'm hooked
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:01 pm
curation is the reason i like so many of these classic releases and compilations
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Nic McConnell 29/3/2023 4:01 pm
I’m a total mark and i like them because i like the way they look - speaking for the mini consoles here) (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:01 pm
i like seeing the game coupled with the box and the supplementary materials, the sprite viewers and sound tests and record books and other stuff
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Nic McConnell 29/3/2023 4:02 pm
Then i like the curation and, in the case of the genesis ones and the turbografx i really appreciate the experience of using them
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:03 pm
i could play something like Dragon Buster more "accurately" on MAME, but Namco Museum gives it nice tweaks and gives you a bunch of nice exhibits to look at
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learning stuff surrounding the game I'm playing is going to get me more excited about it than "here's a game, it came out that year on that one machine"
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Nic McConnell 29/3/2023 4:05 pm
The Street Fighter 30th Anniversary collection is an awesome example of this - i love the games but I’m realistically not gonna go nuts playing SF2 for hundreds of hours like i did as a kid…but i WILL pour through the fascinating concept art and history surrounding the game
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:06 pm
ultimately that's a problem i have with a lot of retro titles on Steam etc, they don't really try to sell you the game, sometimes the marketing copy consists entirely of "this enduring classic has been unavailable for 20 years and now it's back! play it on your modern computer with screen filters and save states and also maybe there's a leader board!"
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Nic McConnell 29/3/2023 4:08 pm
The new release of Osman falls into that trap - there’s a little more to it than just a filter (and they have a good crt filter) but it’s pretty bare bones for a game with a probably pretty interesting history
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
i could play something like Dragon Buster more "accurately" on MAME, but Namco Museum gives it nice tweaks and gives you a bunch of nice exhibits to look at
And Namco gets a little money from the museum sale. They get nothing from the sale of an old Famicom cartridge.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:37 pm
Or, say, if the Famicom port of the game was on Switch Online?
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Then they get paid again and again!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:38 pm
I guess my problem is that the publishers are under no real obligation to add extras if it still sells
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it's kind of funny, I'm basically thinking the way SCEA did back in the day. "No arcade ports without extras!" or something
4:41 pm
i half wonder if that policy (if it ever truly existed?) was what got us the concept of the ideal retro rerelease
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 4:43 pm
Over the weekend there was an editorial about what The Criterion Channel for games might be and I can't stop thinking about it https://www.thegamer.com/criterion-channel-games-xbox-game-pass-ps-plus/
Gaming platforms have tons of content. They could use more context.
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I subbed that night and the experience of actual human curation on a digital platform is amazing
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/3/2023 4:51 pm
I've viewed curation as an increasingly vital aspect of content consumption for a while now.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 4:52 pm
I think everyone wants curation but no product has yet demonstrated it to them
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Spotify does interesting stuff but doesn't expose it in a way where it's prioritized, you have to dig
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/3/2023 4:53 pm
A lot of what this article calls for are in-game integrations, which is a bit dicier as a prospect for publishers. I love that shit obviously but it's a big commitment.
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Jeremy Seith 29/3/2023 4:53 pm
the ic thread about this is good. the mubi model is a simple one that things like steam or gog could implement
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/3/2023 4:53 pm
Curation also counters algorithms, which companies would rather leave as unattended recommendation platforms so long as "number goes up". (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 4:54 pm
yeah, the trouble ultimately ends up being the same as before: the publisher gets the money regardless of whether they try or not
4:54 pm
so why put money into it
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Frank Cifaldi
Spotify does interesting stuff but doesn't expose it in a way where it's prioritized, you have to dig
I really like their Discover Weekly and Release Radar, but it seems like the only ones that are good at hitting on songs I might actually like. Their endless algorithm generated song lists are very hit or miss.
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Jeremy Seith 29/3/2023 4:57 pm
as a film programmer one of the biggest challenges was cultivating trust in patrons, which meant blasting through resources to pay for stuff no one would show up to until your rep becomes synonymous with quality.
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gave thousands of dollars to distributors, some jerk at a desk, just to convince people over years that there was stuff they oughta see
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I am somewhat surprised that there isn't an iTunes marketplace or Spotify-like service for games, where you can just pay $X a month or $X per old game. If there was, I'm positive I'd use that instead of emulation as much as I do. Like, I'm willing to shell out $10 for FF8, instead of going through the hassle of finding ISOs on some sketchy website. But - I realize there are probably technical issues and rights issues at play. (i.e. Is Sony going to have an NES emulator on its digital storefront so that you can play a game that's IP is now owned by a Sony-owned developer?)
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I really like Criterion Channel's little themed months.
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The Neo Noire one was great.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 5:00 pm
You'll never get the platform holders to have anything outside of their platforms, closest thing to what you're talking about is Antstream
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retrohistories 29/3/2023 5:01 pm
Apple's invested in a lot of human-curated playlists for Apple Music. they're far above Spotify for that (though not for everything else). you can search for pretty much any genre or artist and you'll get a curated playlist with a few paragraphs of text and a decent mix of tracks
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/3/2023 5:01 pm
nothing would be stopping sony from having an NES emulator on its digital storefront
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legally speaking
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Without that I would have never watched Mona Lisa starring Bob Hoskins, or the very good, Brick.
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Brick was great...
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 5:02 pm
Legally yeah but the issue I faced with Japanese publishers is just not wanting to upset Nintendo
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It's also probably the territory of "we probably can do this, but we might face an expensive lawsuit win or lose, and the upside for this decision is small."
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/3/2023 5:10 pm
there are games that have been popping up on collections from Nintendo platforms on non-Nintendo platforms here and there so I don't think the fear of Nintendo is quite as strong as it was even a couple years ago
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Frank Cifaldi 29/3/2023 5:10 pm
Yeah, for us we just had to demonstrate that it was Not Emulation
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I think we just did that enough that no one cares anymore
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I've explained this publicly but for anyone curious who doesn't know, we did a static recompilation of an emulated game into C code. Literally the same, just abstracted a little
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But also means replacing the ROM file and turning the product into a means of piracy is impossible, which I think was the real issue
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I really like their Discover Weekly and Release Radar, but it seems like the only ones that are good at hitting on songs I might actually like. Their endless algorithm generated song lists are very hit or miss.
Kate Willært 29/3/2023 6:08 pm
Same, I’ve discovered a lot of interesting bands from those lists…new bands that wouldn’t make curated lists because nobody out there curating lists of new music is interested in non-metal hard rock anymore (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
You'll never get the platform holders to have anything outside of their platforms, closest thing to what you're talking about is Antstream
I just signed up for a year of Antstream, since there's a $12 coupon for it at Green Man Gaming. I think the implementation is a bit silly (streaming 8 kilobytes games over the internet?) but I like the idea of tournaments and stuff. It seems to run well on my Android-based Retroid handheld.
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Phil Salvador 29/3/2023 6:24 pm
It's interesting because my understanding is that commercial emulation for C64 is surprisingly difficult, so they've ended up being one of the only places you can play a large number of C64 games
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 6:37 pm
even pirate distribution of C64 games is kind of a pain, fortunately a lot of emulators these days have fast boot options etc
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but I'm thinking about how, with Amiga games, there's WHDLoad files that package games that are normally floppy disk only, into single blocks that can be run from a hard drive to cut out disk swapping and load times
6:38 pm
what kind of surgery would need to be performed on a C64 or Spectrum game in order to do the same thing?
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the initial load can be skipped by simply dropping a memory save as soon as it's done, but...
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I think there are flash cartridges that can do what you're looking for. The file sizes are tiny so the heavy lifting will likely be on the interface that lists the directories. I figured modern c64 emulators would have hooks into https://www.lemon64.com/games/ and just grab stuff on demand?
In-depth database with 5152 Commodore 64 games. Made with passion and the most gentle care.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
even pirate distribution of C64 games is kind of a pain, fortunately a lot of emulators these days have fast boot options etc
yeah, here it is https://ultimate64.com
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/3/2023 6:58 pm
Neat.
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I'm sorry.
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Phil Salvador 30/3/2023 5:57 pm
Frunk and Kulseh
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It has a janky, 1980s PBS feel to it. Like they couldn't quite afford to get the best cameras.
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Frank Cifaldi 30/3/2023 7:37 pm
I hate that I can see how it got here
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Least Weasel 30/3/2023 10:57 pm
So I'm listening to the magfest panel
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And Phil said 3D objects
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In the middle of the scan conversation
10:58 pm
... 3D scans are totally a thing that can be done
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Like, did you like the collection in Astro's Playroom?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/3/2023 10:59 pm
There's a guy at GA who's been 3D scanning lots of VG toys. (edited)
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Least Weasel 30/3/2023 10:59 pm
Ok. I need to get in touch with them. I'm trained to scan amputee limbs. It can't be that big of a stretch
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I mean my goodness, right angles
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Do they have a discord?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/3/2023 11:01 pm
Kao or @MrTalida on Twitter
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Least Weasel 30/3/2023 11:02 pm
Oh nooooo Twitter
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I... don't have a Twitter
11:02 pm
King of Apoc? That user?
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Least Weasel
King of Apoc? That user?
Kate Willært 30/3/2023 11:25 pm
Kao on the GA Discord, do you need a link to that one?
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Least Weasel 30/3/2023 11:25 pm
Yes pls!
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Least Weasel 31/3/2023 12:14 am
Yay thank you!
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Sonar is described as a 'toy version of Battleship'
Thanks to the efforts of Alvaro Arroyo we now have the rom for Brad Stewart's Sonar game. Sonar is basically a variation of Battleship where two players have to race to bomb all the ships and score more points than their opponent. The game is mostly complete but has a small display bug that cause...
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Jason Scott 31/3/2023 6:10 pm
https://archive.org/details/sonar_prototype will have it working shortly.
Sonar is basically a variation of Battleship where two players have to race to bomb all the ships and score more points than their opponent.  The game is...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/3/2023 6:28 pm
I've reached out to Stewart to see if he has any comments on this now that the game has turned up (including if indeed it's the game he worked on)
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wow, never seen this mag before
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(sorry, covers from the spokesmodel era)
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Ethan Whitted 31/3/2023 11:46 pm
Oh wow
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that's another one from the same uploader: https://archive.org/details/@lardonate
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Ethan Whitted 31/3/2023 11:46 pm
Yeah, did not realize these existed.
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Jason Scott 31/3/2023 11:47 pm
issue or the whole mag
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the whole mag (leisure play)
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Jason Scott 31/3/2023 11:48 pm
That's, like, the bible of arcade owners in 1970s
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simon, were you not operating a arcade in the US in 1974
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Ethan Whitted 31/3/2023 11:49 pm
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i know the US ones i guess (Play Meter and RePlay)
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looks like this is a UK one
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Jason Scott 31/3/2023 11:49 pm
Oh neat, you're right
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I conflated it
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(I'm cleaning up a little, setting items uploaded as data that are actually texts so they can preview)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/4/2023 1:23 am
We have a few issues of this I believe
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Is it me, or did Nintendo not get as much flack for the eshop closure as Sony got when they attempted to close their own stores?
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It's a hard thing to quantify outside of vibes.they were more spaced out than Sony's PS3 plans too
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True that. And I suppose we'd already had the Wii shops closing, so there was a precedent for Nintendo that wasn't there for Sony
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Well Sony still shut down the PSP store
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And I have seen about equal reactions to both.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/4/2023 1:08 pm
Oh hey Space Micon Kit is in mame now
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ToastmanJack 2/4/2023 1:11 pm
oh yea I saw that too, that's a pretty cool find
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Frank Cifaldi 2/4/2023 2:05 pm
Oh that's great
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Jason Scott 2/4/2023 2:07 pm
767 lb of computer Shopper are on the way to me
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Anonymous contributor has purchased the wide scanning Fujitsu
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i didn't look much at mobygames since the redesign, i like the new setup for promo art, some games really have a lot of good stuff (official screenshots/concept art): https://www.mobygames.com/game/24246/okami/promo/
Curated collection of promotional art, ads and magazines advertisements for Ōkami
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i didn't look much at mobygames since the redesign, i like the new setup for promo art, some games really have a lot of good stuff (official screenshots/concept art): https://www.mobygames.com/game/24246/okami/promo/
Ethan Whitted 2/4/2023 9:10 pm
It's been some really great changes!
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It desperately needed the facelift and is getting some long-deserved usability improvements 😄
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High-five to Frank and Kesley for their presentation at MGC!
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Pasokon Deacon 2/4/2023 9:39 pm
As the main beta tester for this patch, I've just finished my first playthrough (out of three unique runs) and have a lot to say about Sword of Kumdor. tl;dr It's great, a truly unique and well-made edutainment JRPG, the Zoombinis equivalent for PC-98/Mac kids in its time. 🧵
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/4/2023 10:50 pm
So interesting thing about the Sonar 2600 prototype: apparently, the eprom containing the game had 350 bytes free, which contained prototype Adventure graphics code
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This includes a couple unused “walking birds” and a different chalice graphic
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Thanks to the efforts of Alvaro Arroyo we now have the rom for Brad Stewart's Sonar game. Sonar is basically a variation of Battleship where two players have to race to bomb all the ships and score more points than their opponent. The game is mostly complete but has a small display bug that cause...
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In talking with Warren he mentioned the proof of concept Adventure prototype had some aspects that went unused in the final build, I wonder if these are remnants
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Reichert indicates he’s in touch with Robinett and is gonna see if he knows anything about it
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Phil Salvador 2/4/2023 11:07 pm
Whoa!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/4/2023 12:56 am
double checking Robinett's book, this bird is probably the "road runner" from his early work trying to turn his Adventure feasibility demo into a game. The road runner in question never did anything other than run around because he couldn't think of anything (and paused working on the game to do BASIC Programming while figuring out how to implement it into an actual game)
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doesn't sound like the bird made it into his post-BASIC versions so this is probably leftover code from a very early version
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 3:03 am
This is an insane find
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Jason Scott 3/4/2023 3:26 am
is glad that @Kate Willært was able to correct her glaring inaccuracy before good people were ruined
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Frank Cifaldi 3/4/2023 3:27 am
Lol I just read her email too
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 3:29 am
I will try to do better
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drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 3:29 am
The correction came in time to prevent me from watching the Tetris movie. I’m calling this a win.
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 3:33 am
There's no way I could've predicted the car chase would go pixel-based A-Ha "Take On Me"
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drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 3:33 am
Is that a joke? You are making a joke
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 3:34 am
I'm not making a joke
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drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 3:34 am
I… read a positive review of this that did not mention that. It would have made that the whole review.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 3:37 am
We are baffled by the positive reviews.
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I have to admit, knowing it's more drama than truth, I found it enjoyable.
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Kate Willært
I will try to do better
You are the best.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/4/2023 4:05 am
An earlier review here liked it too
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I just hope this gets more eyes on Norman's Tetris piece. I see it as a top reply in almost every Reddit thread I've seem about the movie. And I try to plug it when I can.
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 4:12 am
So is Micro Men still the standard for tech-y historical dramas?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:15 am
Yep, we just discussed that lol.
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Pinball is also good.
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 4:17 am
Still gotta watch that one
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Perhaps a "If you liked Tetris..." piece of stuff to watch?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:22 am
You can count all that on one hand lol
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/4/2023 4:24 am
Just watch king of kong either way
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Frank Cifaldi 3/4/2023 4:24 am
The BBC documentary is my favorite video game documentary
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We need a well produced followup to King of Kong once those chips land. 🤣
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Frank Cifaldi 3/4/2023 4:27 am
Oh agreed
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/4/2023 4:27 am
Weibe off living his best life
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 4:28 am
Id donate to that Kickstarter
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Frank Cifaldi
The BBC documentary is my favorite video game documentary
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:29 am
It is definitely the best professionally produced doc on video games
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 4:30 am
Oh, Man Vs Snake is also quite good
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hbomberguy's 2-hour Tommy Tallarico doc gets a bonus mention. 🤣
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Nate Lockhart 3/4/2023 4:33 am
A stone cold classic
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:34 am
There's plenty of good independent productions from Norm, Yahel, and the like.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
There's plenty of good independent productions from Norm, Yahel, and the like.
Agreed. A "If you liked Tetris, then read/watch these..." list would be nice right now to ride the hype.
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Also, "If you liked Super Mario Bros., then watch Super Mario Bros. - just be as intoxicated as the cast was while filming it."
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The ⭐️⭐️⭐️ aligned for the #SuperMarioMovie premiere!
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Also, "If you liked Super Mario Bros., then watch Super Mario Bros. - just be as intoxicated as the cast was while filming it."
Kate Willært 3/4/2023 4:53 am
Watch the SMB workprint on IA
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The interesting thing about the workprint is that it's got the temp music that's mostly Danny Elfman music from other movies, and gives you a sense of what Alan Silvestri biffed so hard trying to mimic
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When Silvestri tries to do Pee Wee's Big Adventure, it loses the subtle menacing vibe and just sounds like a kiddie film
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(I'm going to do a video essay about the music choices at some point)
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Looks like the workprint is on the R4 remaster BluRay. I might pick that up. 🙂
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 5:00 am
Yeah, totally get the Bluray if you have the right player, to support that effort...It's a bummer the Blu was never released in R1 (though there's apparently an R0 now)
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But for people who are more generally curious, you can watch the workprint here: https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros.-1993-rough-cut-12-1-version And the "extended cut" (inserting cut workprint scenes into the exist film and soundtrack) here https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros-1993-the-morton-jankel-cut-extended-vhs_202207
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Yeah, looks like a region free version was released by Umbrella. Also, there's apparently a Wizard Bluray with the ugliest cover ever.
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 5:16 am
Its a slipcover with the normal movie poster cover underneath
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The Wizard Blu has a bunch of deleted scenes that are absolutely fascinating
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I rambled about those in here once
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The short version is that I find the first half of the regular cut super boring, but the deleted scenes introduced a dysfunctional family dynamic that made the characters feel less two dimensional...might've been a better movie if it was left longer
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I'm assuming it's the edited version of the poster missing Mario and such.
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 5:20 am
Mario is on there
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Oh!
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I just have the VHS (that has Mario) and the DVD (that doesn't).
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 5:28 am
I should clarify that the Blu cover art is reversible, so I think it comes with the weird new art by default but I reversed it to the poster art side
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 4:17 pm
Re: Tetris, I'm curious who will be the first to do a really in-depth fact-check video on the movie (there's at least one fact-check vid that was rushed up, but it's very surface level and not entirely accurate itself)
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(That'd have to be an entire fact-check video series, I'd think)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:18 pm
It'd probably be at least 30 minutes.
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 4:41 pm
I suppose the problem is that by the time someone finishes such a video, any buzz the movie has would be gone and at that point why not just do a Tetris vid that ignores the movie
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But a text article could maybe be fast enough
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:42 pm
Perhaps as an addendum to our historian comments I could do a breakdown of inaccuracies.
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 4:43 pm
I think it could be interesting...though I think it could get more spread as a separate article
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Why not make it Tetris Week on your blog? lol
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Some people who watch biopics love Googling for the True Story afterwards, and so every modern biopic ends up with several fact-check articles that are formatted like [movie scene/plot point in bold] [what actually happened] (edited)
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I'm sure there are people working on (or already finished) versions of this for Tetris, but it's unlikely they'll be as thorough about it as you could be
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 4:50 pm
In finding photos I did already see a few, but they're gonna graze the edges of the true horrific wrongness. I don't think I have it in me to write it in that style, purely point by point. If I did it I would like to actually be telling a fuller contiguous story.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 5:06 pm
Alright you win. This does mean I have to watch the movie again, for which I cannot forgive you
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Is there a definitive source against which one can fact check Tetris history? Or I reckon more likely a bunch of different sources
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The trailer definitely seemed to evoke those chapters from Game Over (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 6:17 pm
Game Over has most of the facts. They are not presented in a chronological order in that book though. Alex in his podcast and Jimmy Maher both present a more straightforward telling. http://podcast.theycreateworlds.com/e/the-complete-tetris-story/ https://www.filfre.net/2017/06/a-tale-of-the-mirror-world-part-3-a-game-of-falling-shapes/
TCW Podcast Episode 023 - The Complete Tetris Story   We tell the complete story of Tetris! Created by a computer scientist in Russia by the name of Alexey Pajitnov. We go over the twists and turns of licensing and comedy of errors that was brining Tetris to the market.   Tetris God - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alw5hs0chj...
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Game Over has most of the facts. They are not presented in a chronological order in that book though. Alex in his podcast and Jimmy Maher both present a more straightforward telling. http://podcast.theycreateworlds.com/e/the-complete-tetris-story/ https://www.filfre.net/2017/06/a-tale-of-the-mirror-world-part-3-a-game-of-falling-shapes/
Ooh is that book series up to that point in history? Though I'll still listen to the podcast version
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/4/2023 6:19 pm
No Alex's book is not there yet, just the podcast episode.
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dirkdiggler112 3/4/2023 7:20 pm
A new version of Sonic Adventure (Tournament Disk) has been discovered. This prototype was used for the competition during the event "The Sega Dreamcast Mobil Assault Tour". One of the organizer describes to us the event. To download and read below: https://t.co/klrHQdGsuu
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David Sheff's Game Over? I've heard it's not super accurate.
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Many parts of it are super accurate. The worst inaccuracies are his description of the Japanese business, which I imagine was caught up in some language barrier issues, and his Bushnell chapter, which is tangential to the main story and colored by Bushnell’s own mythologizing. His character sketches of the major players like, Yamauchi, Arakawa, and Lincoln are fantastic, and his examination of how the North American business grew step-by-step is compelling and largely accurate. His Tetris material is based on interviews with the major participants soon after the events in question, plus access to the actual contracts and telexes from the negotiations and other evidence from the court case. It holds up. (edited)
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drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 8:03 pm
He’s also the source of the widespread rumor that Pac-Man’s original name came from the fact that he looks like a hockey puck, which anyone with eyes can tell you does not make sense.
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I enjoyed the book - in fact, I got a first edition copy and mailed it to David to get it autographed because he's awesome. But I mentioned it to Gail Tilden in a conversation and she wasn't super positive about it.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/4/2023 8:11 pm
I suspect that book is a reason why Nintendo has limited access for interviews since
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He’s also the source of the widespread rumor that Pac-Man’s original name came from the fact that he looks like a hockey puck, which anyone with eyes can tell you does not make sense.
Kate Willært 3/4/2023 8:12 pm
Right, I mean, do they even have hockey in Japan j/k
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SGreenwell 3/4/2023 8:13 pm
My impression was that "Game Over" was pretty thorough for the time - 1994 - but its probably got a lot of incorrect info in there now, thanks to being able to better crowdsource and proof the info.
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Sheff’s goals in his portrayal of Nintendo were to understand how they created a monopolistic hold on an industry with a larger subtext of how Japan Inc. was overrunning the U.S., so there was bound to be some tension. He highlights the material that serves his narrative and no doubt downplays or ignores information he was given that conflicts with that narrative. So the subjects not being completely enamored with the result is understandable and inevitable. (edited)
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Right, I mean, do they even have hockey in Japan j/k
drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 8:15 pm
Well…
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My impression was that "Game Over" was pretty thorough for the time - 1994 - but its probably got a lot of incorrect info in there now, thanks to being able to better crowdsource and proof the info.
As I stated, there is plenty incorrect about Japan (Nintendo did not market Odyssey in Japan, Color TV Game sales are inflated, etc.), but his inside look at NoA still largely holds up to scrutiny.
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Well…
Why are Mario and Donkey Kong junior hitting little Pacmans back-and-forth
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Why are Mario and Donkey Kong junior hitting little Pacmans back-and-forth
drewmackie4u 3/4/2023 8:17 pm
hahaha
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Kate Willært 3/4/2023 8:25 pm
I want to know why their expressions both look like they're terrified
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If they miss, Pac-man eats them. They're fighting for their lives.
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Wietse van Bruggen 3/4/2023 8:33 pm
Did Nintendo actively participate in the Tetris movie production in any way?
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Boo Phil Adam. 🤣
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Wietse van Bruggen
Did Nintendo actively participate in the Tetris movie production in any way?
I know Henk and Maya had some involvement. I would be surprised if Nintendo got involved with Apple on this. Might have to rewatch the credits though.
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Wietse van Bruggen 3/4/2023 8:35 pm
Ooh yeah they have executive producer credit
8:41 pm
Including Pajitnov
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The official Tetris twitter has been promoting it as well.
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Wietse van Bruggen 3/4/2023 8:46 pm
Nothing in the credits related to Nintendo (edited)
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DeppySlide 3/4/2023 8:55 pm
surprised no one's mentioned Dan Ackerman's book The Tetris Effect. is that not considered as accurate as other books/tellings of the story?
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surprised no one's mentioned Dan Ackerman's book The Tetris Effect. is that not considered as accurate as other books/tellings of the story?
I ordered it after watching the movie. Haven't been home to start it yet. 😦
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surprised no one's mentioned Dan Ackerman's book The Tetris Effect. is that not considered as accurate as other books/tellings of the story?
I thought it was good. It fills in some gaps here and there. It does not add much to the story of the licensing negotiations to what is on offer in Sheff, which I think is why it is not being mentioned, but it fills in a lot of details on other parts of the story.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/4/2023 10:07 pm
Looking through some paperwork saved by former Sega Technical Institute artist Tom Payne, and I'm very charmed by this moving sale flyer from Sonic 2 main artist (and Tails creator) Yasushi Yamaguchi
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this is what it's all about
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that's incredible. what a fun find
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/4/2023 10:20 pm
video game history as it truly happened
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the exact release date of the NES? nahhh we really want to know who at Atari Corp was in charge of the coffee pot by the lab. godman
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(actually i find that stuff fascinating, the day to day work life of the guys in the trenches) (edited)
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oh, it was written for him by somebody else? the plot thickens: https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1643202674228367361
that looks to be Hirokazu Yasuhara's handwriting, too. what a mensch
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Frank Cifaldi 4/4/2023 2:59 pm
Maybe Yasuhara is just better at English characters
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Guess based on nothing: prank to get random people to call and inquire about random things for sale.
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Though it is pretty specific for a prank. Like the clip at the bottom to write your name and the item you want so probably the english thing.
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Frank Cifaldi 4/4/2023 4:41 pm
That's a really weird guess? This is from someone who worked with them
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I don't know why we wouldn't just take it literally
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Over the weekend I picked up some assorted SNES development items locally, had some SNES development manuals (all of which are scanned). One interesting doc I can’t seem to find if it has been scanned is what looks like a sales pitch document for Sculptured Software’s SNES Dev Kit/SDK offerings which is neat to look through. Anyone know if this is preserved somewhere or if I should scan it?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/4/2023 4:46 pm
I've certainly never seen it!
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Wow, good find
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Huh, I don't think I'd heard of a 3rd party developing SDKs for someone else's hardware
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Though I suppose it's no different from our modern concept of game engines. A 3rd party developing middleware for the platform
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Phil Salvador 4/4/2023 6:00 pm
Does anyone have a clue what the connection is between Commodore and "Contemporary Marketing, Inc."? Some of their magazines and products seem to have been distributed under that name, which has the same address as the Commodore company
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Over the weekend I picked up some assorted SNES development items locally, had some SNES development manuals (all of which are scanned). One interesting doc I can’t seem to find if it has been scanned is what looks like a sales pitch document for Sculptured Software’s SNES Dev Kit/SDK offerings which is neat to look through. Anyone know if this is preserved somewhere or if I should scan it?
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SGreenwell 4/4/2023 6:13 pm
... was Commodore's old HQ taken over by QVC? huh. (edited)
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Huh, I don't think I'd heard of a 3rd party developing SDKs for someone else's hardware
Thats how it was back then.
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... was Commodore's old HQ taken over by QVC? huh. (edited)
Phil Salvador 4/4/2023 6:14 pm
Hahaha right? I just noticed that too
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Though I suppose it's no different from our modern concept of game engines. A 3rd party developing middleware for the platform
As @Borman said was this was common, the dev who owned these docs seemed to have went with a different 3rd party dev kit based on the parts that came with the documents lol (edited)
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Over the weekend I picked up some assorted SNES development items locally, had some SNES development manuals (all of which are scanned). One interesting doc I can’t seem to find if it has been scanned is what looks like a sales pitch document for Sculptured Software’s SNES Dev Kit/SDK offerings which is neat to look through. Anyone know if this is preserved somewhere or if I should scan it?
Tossed Fish 4/4/2023 6:34 pm
Wow, this is super cool!
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I wanted to share these two things (pics aren't great, sorry) because I figure y'all might appreciate them more than most. The first is one of the $5 vouchers Nintendo sent out as part of the antitrust settlement back in the day. This one has the letter from Roland Burris explaining what a 'win' this was for consumers. Roland Burris would go on to become Obama's replacement as Illinois Senator after Obama was elected president. Burris was picked by the governor at the time in a whole scandal of trying to sell the senate seat, which, eventually, landed him in prison. I picked it up off eBay several years ago and my wife was dumbfounded that I spent $35 on an expired $5 coupon, then framed it. The second is hand-drawn, autographed artwork by the guys who did the College Humor/Nintendo Video series Dinosaur Office. One of the guys, Kevin Corrigan, who does the voice of Craig, was doing a Twitter AMA because he was traveling and bored, and I just tweeted something about loving Dinosaur Office and asked for his autograph. He said to DM him my address. I was expecting his autograph on a scratch piece of paper or something, not custom artwork from the whole cast. I printed the photos from Youtube stills I grabbed and framed that too.
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those are fantastic momentos
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Phil Salvador 4/4/2023 10:17 pm
(Also, seeing some new folks, hi @Tossed Fish and @Uncle Bob !)
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Tossed Fish 4/4/2023 10:18 pm
LinkWave
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Those dinosaur office crayon doodles aah..........
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So cute
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And this, just because it came up yesterday... 🙂
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Hm, interesting. Haven't actually tried it yet but I know this topic comes up enough that maybe very useful.
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SGreenwell 5/4/2023 4:01 pm
Hell yeah. I'm intrigued.
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According to the internet this was added last oct, and despite using firefox daily I only got it now. Weird. Maybe it was in beta, release notes say March 21. (edited)
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Pretty minimal editing. You can add text (not edit text), and rotate. Not terrible, but probably doesn't solve the bulk of needs.
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Matt Clawson 5/4/2023 4:07 pm
I wish Mozilla would focus on this sort of thing (useful feature) instead of stupid tech fads like crypto. their leadership is so lost. (edited)
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(i have been a consistent and loyal Firefox user since the early days but they really seem hell-bent on alienating users sometimes)
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Browser tech is in a weird spot across the board. I even occasionally find myself using Edge. Truly dark times.
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Matt Clawson 5/4/2023 4:14 pm
totally. i mean the blame also doesn't fall squarely on them. obviously google's ad-based money-printer let them capture a sizeable share. tough to compete against that (sorry i'm getting OT) (edited)
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It's always amazing to me when I can find a dev on something like Twitter and just ask them for a clarification about some aspect of a project's development, and then there's the answer five minutes later. I've personally stopped hanging out there as much but just having so many people in one place like that must be critical to tracking down info.
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Facebook can be like that too. Terrible platform but the only way you can DM people who worked on stuff 30+ years ago
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/4/2023 11:17 pm
Used to be more reliable, but post 2017 or so there was a steep drop off in responses.
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I wish Mozilla would focus on this sort of thing (useful feature) instead of stupid tech fads like crypto. their leadership is so lost. (edited)
Eh? When did Mozilla fiddle with cryptocurrency/blockchain stuff? I missed that.
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Matt Clawson 6/4/2023 12:37 am
there was a bunch of backlash around a year ago when they set up crypto donations. it was probably a bad example. i just want them to do well! (edited)
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#PreservedPlay will be on April 15-16! This is our charity event to support @GameHistoryOrg & their efforts to archive video game history. We have some exciting things planned! Might even play some games from the WiiU 👀 Can't wait for you all to join us! https://t.co/u2pzkEmiuO
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So, like, the Mario movie was enjoyable. Not sure what the negative reviews are about. It's not going to win any awards and it doesn't tread new and exciting ground... but did anyone expect a Mario movie to do that? It's fun.
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drewmackie4u 6/4/2023 1:45 am
Mostly agree. I was entertained. They packed a lot into it, to the point that I felt tired after. If I had to ding it for anything, it would be that it chiefly has one female character, Peach, and her character is boring and inert and doesn’t have an arc. And that sucks. I guess they thought this was a movie for boys and not girls? But considering how much they got in more or less okay, I thought it was decent.
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It is Wednesday. How can I watch this now?
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And yet I am
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Well now the Bob Hoskins version feels like the gritty reboot to this
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SoulCatcher02 6/4/2023 12:39 pm
I enjoyed the strategically placed music cues throughout.
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drewmackie4u 6/4/2023 3:23 pm
You mean of the Mario music? Or the 80s standards they kept dropping in for the… parents, I guess?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/4/2023 4:35 pm
https://tetris.com/tetris-e60/ - the Tetris website now has a playable replica of the Elektronika 60 version of Tetris (edited)
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You mean of the Mario music? Or the 80s standards they kept dropping in for the… parents, I guess?
SoulCatcher02 6/4/2023 6:07 pm
The Mario game music and sound effects, lol.
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The Mario game music and sound effects, lol.
Iam8bit has the soundtrack for pre-order starting tomorrow.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
https://tetris.com/tetris-e60/ - the Tetris website now has a playable replica of the Elektronika 60 version of Tetris (edited)
Least Weasel 6/4/2023 6:53 pm
Wow!
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Mostly agree. I was entertained. They packed a lot into it, to the point that I felt tired after. If I had to ding it for anything, it would be that it chiefly has one female character, Peach, and her character is boring and inert and doesn’t have an arc. And that sucks. I guess they thought this was a movie for boys and not girls? But considering how much they got in more or less okay, I thought it was decent.
I can agree on Peach. A bit one dimension for her - no development, just a kickass female protagonist. They seemed to want to lay the groundwork for 'where did she come from' as a mystery, but dropped it. And they had the wide open door to give her a moment of doubt in her self confidence (after she announced her plan to the Toads and right before she met Mario, her expression made me think she was going to be all "I don't know if I can do this...") but since we already had Mario, Luigi, and DK with the "woe is me am I good enough?" Subplot, I'm kinda glad they didn't.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
https://tetris.com/tetris-e60/ - the Tetris website now has a playable replica of the Elektronika 60 version of Tetris (edited)
Looks more like a skin swap along with a randomizer and physics tweak to their playable web version, rather than a faithful recreation or emulation to me? 🤷‍♂️ cute, though!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/4/2023 7:04 pm
either way it's kinda neat as a concept
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i know for a while they also offered a "classic mode" that resembled the game boy game, albeit not exactly
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Absolutely!
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You mean of the Mario music? Or the 80s standards they kept dropping in for the… parents, I guess?
Kate Willært 6/4/2023 10:20 pm
I'd rather see 90s needle drops -- missed opportunity to not include "Peaches"
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
https://tetris.com/tetris-e60/ - the Tetris website now has a playable replica of the Elektronika 60 version of Tetris (edited)
Kate Willært 6/4/2023 10:21 pm
Is there a way to archive this version of the game before it disappears like the Halt & Catch Fire version of Adventure?
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I'd rather see 90s needle drops -- missed opportunity to not include "Peaches"
Phil Salvador 6/4/2023 10:21 pm
For a second I thought you meant Peaches as in Fuck the Pain Away, and I was confused about why that was a missed opportunity
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Kate Willært 6/4/2023 10:22 pm
I don't know what that is
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I mean Presidents
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Phil Salvador 6/4/2023 10:23 pm
Oh yeah I got that after like two seconds of staring at my phone blankly haha
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There is a singer called Peaches who did music that would be extremely not appropriate for the Mario movie, is the point
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Is there a way to archive this version of the game before it disappears like the Halt & Catch Fire version of Adventure?
Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/4/2023 10:25 pm
it looks like it's HTML5-based, my inspector is showing me it's being invoked via javascript and the div is called "Cocos3dGameContainer"
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it looks like it was written using this: https://github.com/cocos2d/cocos2d-x
Cocos2d-x is a suite of open-source, cross-platform, game-development tools used by millions of developers all over the world. - GitHub - cocos2d/cocos2d-x: Cocos2d-x is a suite of open-source, cro...
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what i'm finding interesting here is that just trying to save the page doesn't capture any of the game elements, only the images used by the page itself
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they appear to have obfuscated a lot of it
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but a trip to the firefox inspector is showing me exactly how
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i am not fully sure how to actually dump these files
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Matt Clawson 6/4/2023 10:32 pm
The issue that you were running into is that saving a page in a browser like Firefox is only going to capture the resources that are directly referenced by the HTML source. Going to assume this game was developed with modern web standards and probably dynamically loads additional resources at runtime. (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/4/2023 10:33 pm
interestingly, it loads it all in one fell swoop, as soon as the page does
10:33 pm
the Network tab shows no new activity when the game starts
10:34 pm
in fact going by the order in which these things appear as the page is loading, they've very smartly allocated the load, by getting the loading bar and background first, then the font chracters and interface elements, waiting until the very last to get the sounds and the MP3 music
10:35 pm
granted i still don't know how to actually save any of this stuff, maybe it's in a cache folder somewhere
10:36 pm
but might not be a problem for folks like the team at Flashpoint to capture it somehow
10:37 pm
on that note - looks like they're already on the case
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Phil Salvador
There is a singer called Peaches who did music that would be extremely not appropriate for the Mario movie, is the point
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/4/2023 10:39 pm
What about the 90s movie
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
interestingly, it loads it all in one fell swoop, as soon as the page does
Matt Clawson 6/4/2023 10:54 pm
yeah, in case you're curious that's because once the page loads it starts loading javascript (and the program contained in index.js is responsible for triggering additional asset downloads). you can tell where all those mp3s get loaded from in the 5th column of your screenshot. that's the Initiator column, to be precise. Only sharing this since you seemed curious. don't want to mansplain!!! (edited)
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the "easiest" way to rip all this stuff would probably be to use something like Wireshark. You could have that running in the background, sniffing traffic, and then save all the content from the session (wireshark has automated tools for re-assembling packets into files depending on the protocol). This might be only half the battle because you might then also need to update the references to those resources (if the original program didn't use relative paths). anyway it's really fun reverse engineering stuff and if anyone's hiring for this sort of thing please DM me (edited)
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Should be a backup of all the public facing files, but would need a cleanup pass and probably a basic php instance and/or a bit of server poking to complete it, as Matt mentioned.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
What about the 90s movie
Phil Salvador 7/4/2023 12:45 am
I need to see this fan music dub now
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Jason Scott 7/4/2023 3:42 am
http://www.archivecorps.org/computershopper/ This is the first scan of a computer shopper issue, available for download. It is a raw scan, meaning I've done zero post-processing on it. It is not suitable, therefore, for any sort of release. I intend to do a cooked version soonish and release that so people can see what they look like. My goal is to industrialize the debinding and scanning process and get as many issues up and available as possible. TL;DR: 70gb .ZIP file of 600dpi TIFF Scans of the March 1994 issue of Computer Shopper, released for people to mess with. Otherwise, better "edited" version coming soon to archive.org.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/4/2023 6:23 pm
FYI U of M has some student residency positions for their video game archive, if anyone knows anybody who'd be eligible and interested https://twitter.com/umcvga/status/1644404527225872394?s=20
The CVGA @UMichLibrary is seeking to fill up to three positions for CVGA Special Projects Residency in the areas of Game Preservation and Accessible/Adaptive Gaming for the Spring/Summer 2023 term (May - August 2023). See https://t.co/Xqil9lOS2v for info and link to apply
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
FYI U of M has some student residency positions for their video game archive, if anyone knows anybody who'd be eligible and interested https://twitter.com/umcvga/status/1644404527225872394?s=20
Ethan Whitted 7/4/2023 6:27 pm
That's pretty cool that they have that program, I didn't realize it existed!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/4/2023 6:28 pm
it's very cool, I've donated materials to them in the past before I moved cross country
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some pongs, a VIS, a Pico, a bunch of old game magazines they didn't have in their library
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Ethan Whitted 7/4/2023 6:29 pm
Any time period/systems they mainly focus on?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/4/2023 6:30 pm
I don't think so
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I haven't personally visited since like 2016
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Ethan Whitted 7/4/2023 6:30 pm
Ah okay cool
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I'm just saying if this Foundation thing hits the skids
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Frank Cifaldi 7/4/2023 11:35 pm
Or Pink Gorilla
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Jason Scott 7/4/2023 11:39 pm
Gorilla considers massive break-ins a Tuesday.. nothing kills gorilla
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I watched Air and I really hope there's a sneaker history discord out there where they are vigorously fact checking the course of events surrounding Jordan signing the Nike deal
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Jason Scott 8/4/2023 6:00 am
I have someone I'm related to who can fact check
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I watched Air and I really hope there's a sneaker history discord out there where they are vigorously fact checking the course of events surrounding Jordan signing the Nike deal
Phil Salvador 8/4/2023 6:18 am
I love this
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I watched Air and I really hope there's a sneaker history discord out there where they are vigorously fact checking the course of events surrounding Jordan signing the Nike deal
Jeremy Seith 8/4/2023 11:59 am
replace discord with slack and ne/nw portland brewpubs and you are wildly correct
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goodolvic
I watched Air and I really hope there's a sneaker history discord out there where they are vigorously fact checking the course of events surrounding Jordan signing the Nike deal
SGreenwell 8/4/2023 1:16 pm
Ha, Affleck and Damon were on the Bill Simmons pod last week (great interview btw, highly recommend if you like either of them), and they did say that some details were changed. It's interesting - I think there is a kind of dividing line for everyone about what changes you can live with, and which are too much.
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Adding a KGB storyline to the Tetris movie strikes me as a "too far" change for me.
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DeppySlide 8/4/2023 3:49 pm
neat flyer (via flyerfever) showing Pac-Man under its "Snapper" name
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Flyer Fever is the personal collection of early coin-operated video game flyers owned by Daniel Hower.
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Jeremy Seith
replace discord with slack and ne/nw portland brewpubs and you are wildly correct
Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/4/2023 4:10 pm
not related to the discussion at all but i just remembered the deck of Bicycle Craft Beers playing cards I own, that in 54 cards, utterly fails to feature any craft beers from the state of Oregon
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One would think at least Deschutes would be notable enough to feature, but nope, I think they featured like 6 or 7 from Kentucky
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neat flyer (via flyerfever) showing Pac-Man under its "Snapper" name
Interesting, I've never heard of pacman going by that name. Was this some pre-localization temp name?
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Since it's got Namco on the flyer, no relation to this, I guess https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapper_(video_game)
Snapper is a clone of the Namco arcade game Pac-Man programmed by Jonathan Griffiths for the BBC Micro and released as one of the launch titles for Acornsoft in 1982. It was also one of Acornsoft's launch titles for the Acorn Electron in 1983.Snapper started the BBC Micro tradition of controlling arcade games using the Z, X, : and / keys for ho...
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Interesting, I've never heard of pacman going by that name. Was this some pre-localization temp name?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/4/2023 4:24 pm
Yes. It appears that for a brief moment Namco played with the idea of releasing it stateside through their US office, but they quickly licensed to Midway.
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LongwoodGeek 8/4/2023 4:43 pm
So @Corwin "weasel" Brence, @SGreenwell, & @BrightNoah - you all are correct! David is like a second dad to me and I’m also his IT guy. The stories I can tell…
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Me and David back in 2014 at a signing in Greenville, SC where the premier of the Honor Harrington comic book was taking place.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/4/2023 5:39 pm
There’s something rather delightful about the fact that chronologically, the first* outside request for a #Zork tape in 1979 was from a woman who wanted to play it with her 14-year old daughter. #sheplaysgames *at least the first that didn’t get lost over time.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
not related to the discussion at all but i just remembered the deck of Bicycle Craft Beers playing cards I own, that in 54 cards, utterly fails to feature any craft beers from the state of Oregon
Jeremy Seith 8/4/2023 7:38 pm
sounds like you got a deck fulla jokers!
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Phil Salvador 9/4/2023 7:43 pm
Is that a graded.... Future Play? Who is the audience for that
7:43 pm
besides speculative collecting
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Frank Cifaldi 9/4/2023 8:25 pm
Oh it gets worse, there's a Nintendo Power solicitation in there that was packaged with every NES game for like three years (edited)
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I have been annoyed at this auction all morning and have been texting with people
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to my unexpert eye it seems like a buncha random stuff with a feww gems in there
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Phil Salvador 9/4/2023 8:32 pm
Frank does this mean we can sell the dupe insert pile for millions of dollars
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Frank Cifaldi 9/4/2023 8:50 pm
So there isn't much curation, these are just papers that are from "The Carolina Collection," aka Dain Anderson's entire video game collection that he sold to a group of investors to flip
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So this is just "paper he happened to have," and my guess is it's slightly curated as a subset but not significantly
8:51 pm
My biggest point of annoyance is that they split up individual things from a set. There's clearly like a press kit for Star Wars, but every sheet is its own graded and slabbed thing
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To me, even setting aside my annoyance as an historian watching a piece get scattered to the winds...even just thinking in terms of their goal, which is making video game paper into a valuable collector's segment...splitting them up like they're baseball cards is short-sighted
8:53 pm
Can you imagine a Hollywood memorabilia auction doing this? No? Me neither
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Kate Willært 9/4/2023 9:01 pm
You mean like how there was (and maybe still is) a trend for cutting up movie costumes into little pieces and gluing them to trading cards?
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Frank Cifaldi 9/4/2023 9:12 pm
I don't know why that feels different
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I always thought that was stuff that would have been shredded otherwise.
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Least Weasel 9/4/2023 10:49 pm
So on a scale of selling Egyptian mummy powder to actually this is fine, how bad is this?
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Frank Cifaldi 9/4/2023 11:20 pm
Way more annoying than damaging
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Phil Salvador 9/4/2023 11:57 pm
If it helps make you less annoyed Frank, I just talked with a Maxis producer who has a box of internal documentation he wants to donate
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Frank Cifaldi
Can you imagine a Hollywood memorabilia auction doing this? No? Me neither
Jason Scott 10/4/2023 2:24 am
Unfortunately I can and have
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Phil Salvador 10/4/2023 5:30 am
Still one of the greatest game history interviews ever https://twitter.com/punished_catbus/status/1645186730545528833/
remembering the greatest interview of all time
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izzy (she/her) 10/4/2023 12:31 pm
goals (except it's dana gould saying "it's tail time!")
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April 10, 2023For Immediate ReleaseContact: Shane Rhinewald, srhinewald@museumofplay.org, 585-410-6365 ROCHESTER, NY—The Strong National Museum of Play, home to the World Video Game Hall of Fame, will create the world’s largest, playable Donkey Kong arcade game. The game, which will stand nearly 20-feet tall, will be a prominent feature in The S...
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/4/2023 3:20 pm
a recreation of that feeling when you're trying to play an arcade game and you're only 6 and can't see the whole screen
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You should be able to see it fairly well, some liberty is taken with the angle of the screen
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Also why there is a separate control panel.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/4/2023 3:24 pm
in all seriousness that's the thing i remember the most about arcades in my youth, was needing to stand on step stools to see them because they were all huge. immense monoliths containing untold gaming powers if only i could muster the height to equal them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 3:24 pm
Gotta one up those NVM folks with their Home Pong!
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(Also make sure that joystick's authentic 😉 )
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/4/2023 3:25 pm
local arcades like Wunderland tended to have a room full of smaller cabaret machines for the younger players though
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It'll be a modern reproduction of the joystick. Everything we've done has had to be approved by Nintendo...
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/4/2023 3:25 pm
and at one point one of those contained the Battletoads arcade game set to free play. ... which was slightly concerning
3:25 pm
since that one's somewhat more explicit
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It's a "big" deal that we got this one done at all.
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Borman
It'll be a modern reproduction of the joystick. Everything we've done has had to be approved by Nintendo...
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 3:27 pm
Oh interesting! Well I'm glad they're on board. Just don't try to convert it to a Sky Skipper later!
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We had all sorts of fun ideas haha
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 3:31 pm
Would love to be there for the expansion opening but alas.
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Can I put in a request for a crane game with an actual crane?
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They wouldn't let me play with the cranes outside
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 3:40 pm
No fun.
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Can I put in a request for a crane game with an actual crane?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 3:42 pm
Of course, they were originally called "digger" machines because you used actual mechanical scoops.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Of course, they were originally called "digger" machines because you used actual mechanical scoops.
Ethan Whitted 10/4/2023 4:14 pm
"See it work!" 😄
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I love classic advertising.
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It's why I enjoy perusing old flyers and ads for products in the 19th/20th centuries.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/4/2023 4:15 pm
"Work" had the connotation of something that was driven by machinery, which was still novel in a lot of people's lives in the 1920s. The "working model" was one of the major staples of coin-op. (edited)
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Ethan Whitted 10/4/2023 4:16 pm
Makes perfect sense! It's just so funny to read from a 21st-century context.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Of course, they were originally called "digger" machines because you used actual mechanical scoops.
why does it have a relatively giant light fixture from any hotel I've ever stayed in?
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(Couldn't find the exact style, that's what lazy google gets)
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esa now says you can freely preserve classic games but they must be made 20 feet tall
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(i know, i liked the extra joke about the ESA)
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Jason Scott 11/4/2023 4:00 pm
I'm on binder 3 of 5 of 1999 GDC tapes
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I can see why I haven't finished this before.
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@simonc As expected, 12 years later, I'm perfectly set up to do perfect GDC digitizing
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And I'm going fast
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Frank Cifaldi 11/4/2023 4:02 pm
Can we get those afterwards?
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Jason Scott 11/4/2023 4:05 pm
What, the tapes themselves or the .FLACs I'm uploading
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Frank Cifaldi 11/4/2023 4:07 pm
I meant the tapes!
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We have three years of them here and a bunch of proceedings books, the start of a decent little GDC collection
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Jason Scott 11/4/2023 4:43 pm
I have the agency to do so, as long as you promise to give them to the Strong if there are ever any issues
4:43 pm
Do you need your years scanned?
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An Asheron's Call panel / talk, delightful!
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Phil Salvador 11/4/2023 4:55 pm
"David Perry's Design Memory Dump" sounds like a great resource for study that would've been terrible to attend in-person (edited)
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Oh yeah here's the text of his talk! It's definitely Perry explaining a bunch of approaches to game design in no particular order https://web.archive.org/web/20060304072017/https://dperry.com/articles/2005/02/david-perrys-design-memory-dump/
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Jason Scott 11/4/2023 5:08 pm
It's just time now. I am moving through them pretty quickly
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Least Weasel 11/4/2023 11:35 pm
Hey can I ask everybody a question?
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How much playing of games do you guys get to do for pleasure?
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Like, in all the industry and job-doing-ness of the making of and documenting and talking about games, how much do you all get to enjoy?
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Frank Cifaldi 12/4/2023 12:00 am
3-4 games a year plus occasional "channel surfing" of retro stuff for maybe an hour tops
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/4/2023 12:04 am
I fit in a pretty good chunk of games per week honestly. Usually short form stuff
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try to go out once a week to fighting game locals, maybe hit the arcade once a month
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I go through phases but when I'm locked in it's usually many hours/week. Holiday break it was Vampire Survivors and right now Astroneer has come back in full force.
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Least Weasel
Like, in all the industry and job-doing-ness of the making of and documenting and talking about games, how much do you all get to enjoy?
Wait, people play games?
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12:24 am
Not as much as I used to, but I still play fairly regularly. I find I complete games a lot less than I used to. (edited)
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Jason Scott 12/4/2023 12:56 am
This past year? Donut dodo, witness, looker, a puzzle game I forgot, tunic, and I play 1-3 hours of battle royale a day.
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I will set aside time to play something in the evenings on slower days where I get what I think is enough done, and especially on weekends if there's nothing immediate that I need to do for the following week. Weekends are still pretty sacred to me regardless of schedules.
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If I get a big fancy game, I'll try and finish that big fancy game in a month or so unless it's something like Judgement/Like a Dragon/Yakuza. Those are slow burns that I'll pick away at over time.
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Lately I've been going into my backlog more, like trying to finish Gravity Rush 2. The Analogue Pocket has me playing a lot of Game Gear and PC Engine CD games, and Brain Lord on the SNES. And my recent tinkering with Textractor has me playing way more PC-88 and 98 games. Trying to finish Popful Mail on the 9801 right now.
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There's still a partial work aspect to it, though, whether I like it or not, specifically with older games. Some things I end up playing unintentionally suddenly become research.
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It ebb and flows. The longest period was after school and my career started to come together. Basically 2005 - 2010ish is a big blank spot for me with video games. Conversely as of late I've sunk a stupid amount of time into the RE4 Remake.
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Mike Bentley 12/4/2023 2:48 am
I'm probably on the extreme edge of amount of time I spend reading about games (lots) vs. playing them (maybe a half hour a week on average)
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although I guess if we count online poker that rises to like 4.5 hours a week
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Aye game is life and so it's tough to simply play them for fun, though I generally still enjoy what I play for work/projects
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7 games completed so far this year, but only one that wasn't part of some other effort
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The Game of Life on PS1 might be my favorite so far of the bunch (edited)
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retrohistories 12/4/2023 11:31 am
Stickers showed up in the UK, thank you!
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Phil Salvador 12/4/2023 10:16 pm
Alright West Coast friendlies ☀️ mark your calendars🗓️!! I'll be holding my official APPLE II AGE 🍎🧑💻 book launch at the @internetarchive 📚 headquarters THURSDAY MAY 11! There'll be a book talk, a moderated convo with Finn Brunton, and a signing. Eventbrite + times forthcoming!
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Also, the book is actually already available. People who preordered a physical copy have started receiving them in the mail, and I just bought the digital version today and it was instantly available.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/4/2023 11:11 pm
Look at me I'm cited
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Jeremy Seith 12/4/2023 11:19 pm
hell yeah, that rules
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Phil Salvador 13/4/2023 11:00 pm
Does anyone remember a quote from a gaming executive in the recent past declaring the video games are the art form of the 21st century? Frank and I both vaguely remember this but can't pin down where it came from
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Phil Salvador 13/4/2023 11:17 pm
Or it was like, an awards speech or a conference (edited)
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Something like that
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Jeremy Seith 13/4/2023 11:20 pm
oh are we up to 8 arts now or what
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LongwoodGeek 14/4/2023 3:03 pm
Educators and edtech experts will gather at the EduGaming Conference next week in Pennsylvania.
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Phil Salvador 14/4/2023 4:37 pm
There's definitely a lot of folks using that phrase! I just have this vague recollection of someone using it at a big event, like something Geoff Keighley would've said at the Game Awards or something (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/4/2023 6:50 pm
@Hubz on that train
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Coin Slot Location - Volume 1 Issue 1 - Autumn 1980 - scanned in at 600DPI with a Fujitsu fi-7460. PDF was OCR'd with Searchable Text in Adobe Acrobat....
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Jason Scott 14/4/2023 7:16 pm
I have a sort-of-fix for some network issues at the archive so I'm doing some weeks-overdue sorting
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/4/2023 7:32 pm
Don't know how much significance this ultimately is, but worth putting on the radar https://twitter.com/alexfkraus/status/1646511899226570753
A former Hudson employee says he saved several Famicom development ROMs from the trash while working there. He put them away and forgot about them. In this video, he tests them: Super Mario Bros., Xevious, Adventure Island, a sound test ROM for Faxanadu, and some that do not boot
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It took a friend and I so long to realize that Faxanadu is just Famicom Xanadu and the name just stuck for the US release.
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I felt like a dum dum
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Ha, I did not realize until you just said it now.
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Chris Kohler 14/4/2023 8:50 pm
and now you have to start pronouncing it fuh-ZA-na-du
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/4/2023 9:29 pm
The story of 1970s Atari is only a page turn away! 🕹️ Hardcover editions of Kevin Bunch's Atari Archive Vol. 1 drop at Limited Run on April 27th. Collector's Edition also available. Learn More + Wishlist today: https://t.co/A5ENiRYBAE
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Least Weasel 14/4/2023 9:42 pm
Congratulations!
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Phil Salvador 14/4/2023 9:47 pm
:itshappening:
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/4/2023 10:30 pm
We just got into the hotel near the book signing locale
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It is swank
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Here's the schedule for #PreservedPlay this weekend! Get ready for a packed weekend and let’s raise some money for The Video Game History Foundation! (Note that all times are in PT). ➡️ https://t.co/KvDxTu6U43
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billscat-socks 15/4/2023 9:16 am
I have spoke with Tony Bernetich one of the composers that worked on Earthworm Jim 1 & 2. It's confirmed he did all of the music for Earthworm Jim 2 except for the Moonlight Sonata arrangements and the first level track by Jean Christophe Beck. Here is a update @lebrickster
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Tommy inadvertently may have lead to the preservation of the original MIDI tracks for EWJ2 now
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billscat-socks 15/4/2023 9:58 am
I msgd Tony on Facebook since no one else is offering him any public address to send things to
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Least Weasel 15/4/2023 2:24 pm
Nice!
2:25 pm
I feel like I have to temper my angst about games sometimes. I have to remind myself that teams make these things. One attached asshole does not ruin a whole series
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Or more than one
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Frank Cifaldi 15/4/2023 3:46 pm
Yeah I mean there's at least two on EWJ
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Anyone here been to Pandora's Cube in Maryland?
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Any other good retro games stores in the area?
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Thanks.
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Phil Salvador 15/4/2023 5:16 pm
I know eStarland is usually the de facto big game store for the DMV, though that's in Virginia
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I feel like if there's other good stores they might be up closer to Baltimore, Kevin might know
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(but he's giving a book talk right now at LRG!)
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Chantilly is bit far away, but thanks.
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Phil Salvador
(but he's giving a book talk right now at LRG!)
Least Weasel 15/4/2023 6:04 pm
Their retail store?
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Phil Salvador 15/4/2023 6:06 pm
Yeah! I think
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And don't forget—if you're in the Triangle this Saturday, drop by @LimitedRunStore. You can pick up the book early, meet author Kevin Bunch (@ubersaurus), and take 10% off books for one day only. RSVP: https://t.co/jnbg3sHx98
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Least Weasel 15/4/2023 6:11 pm
Oh boo. I'm going to be in town today, but it'll take me two hours to get there and they're already at the bar next door
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What are the odds they'll still be around?
6:12 pm
Like, Kevin and Jeremey and Jared aren't local
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So are they lingering?
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Least Weasel 15/4/2023 6:32 pm
I may just have to get books at 10% off and wait for volume two
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@Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch Wishlisted the book.
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Looks amazing.
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Phil Salvador 15/4/2023 10:59 pm
Frank is teasing that there's gonna be a "Sonic 2 surprise" on-stream soon... https://www.twitch.tv/thecompletionist
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Right now!!!
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BrightNoah
Anyone here been to Pandora's Cube in Maryland?
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/4/2023 12:13 am
Yeah pandora’s cube is nice
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Like, Kevin and Jeremey and Jared aren't local
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/4/2023 12:13 am
Jared and Jeremy are on the area
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Wowza cool stream
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/4/2023 12:25 am
Other than Pandora’s Cube there’s a few around Baltimore, though I am not super familiar with what’s where post-2020. Dice City in Silver Spring has some used video games, and there’s a game store in Frederick with a decent selection
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Jared and Jeremy are on the area
Least Weasel 16/4/2023 12:58 am
Really? I didn't know they were local. I assumed everything Jeremy does for LRG could be done remotely
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That's awesome! Thanks for the info
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And congratulations again on the successful booking
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/4/2023 2:33 am
Thanks! I’m really excited for folks to dig into it
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And so tired after a very long day
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billscat-socks 16/4/2023 3:10 am
man, just reading more of Tony's msgs about Tommy on the Oof comments
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what a total buffoon
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like.... man, that guy did not deserve all the success he had living off other peoples hard work
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really annoys me thinking about it
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Least Weasel 16/4/2023 3:49 am
Is there gonna be somewhere to look at that lovely presentation Frank just gave later?
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I am old and my kids get up early. I cannot keep watching Jirard
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It’s going to be a whole article, but also you’ll be able to watch the VOD
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Least Weasel 16/4/2023 3:51 am
Eeeeeeee yay!
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Thanks! Are you guys having fun over there?
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yeah! the only bad thing I’ve had to do was a spoonful of hot sauce
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Least Weasel 16/4/2023 3:53 am
Oh no he's talking hot sauce again
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Good luck!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/4/2023 2:54 pm
Our museum was just on TV
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Nate Lockhart 16/4/2023 2:57 pm
Cool! Which station?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/4/2023 2:58 pm
WGN Chicago.
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There will be VODs I am told
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Nate Lockhart 16/4/2023 2:59 pm
Neat!
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Least Weasel 17/4/2023 9:39 am
Wat indeed. I didn't know SEGA had that kind of money
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Jason Scott 17/4/2023 11:07 am
Sega does all right
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Just not console infrastructure all right
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Sony barely did
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Microsoft did but suffered
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Phil Salvador 17/4/2023 3:44 pm
Oooh Polygon is doing a theme week about spies, which I assume is related to the Spycraft documentary they've been teasing. Crossing fingers for this week
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It’s going to be a whole article, but also you’ll be able to watch the VOD
Ethan Whitted 17/4/2023 4:29 pm
If we don't have time to watch through the full 40 min stream, are there any recommended timestamps for Big Frank™ moments?
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It's all that Football Manager money
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/4/2023 10:34 pm
It is here! There is indeed a roster in the back of invader clones, though I don’t see any of SNK’s. It’s possible those dropped after the book went to press
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Frank Cifaldi 17/4/2023 10:40 pm
That's still cool though
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/4/2023 11:09 pm
I like that the last section is a rundown of arcade video games you can find, with Nintendo’s breakout clone and Othello game on the roster
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I'll be honest it's a very ballsy vid
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Even surprised he got sponsored on it
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Least Weasel 18/4/2023 1:29 am
I worry with all the exposure hshop is getting, Myrient is going to get a visit from the Nintendo ninjas
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I'm sure they knew about it for a while
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Least Weasel 18/4/2023 3:07 pm
Oh, they know
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They didn't pounce on AM2R until it released
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They knew the whole time
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I suppose that's more about changing their IP
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Whereas they're not making 3ds games available anymore.
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LongwoodGeek 18/4/2023 4:13 pm
Also they waited until AM2R had been out for several days before the takedown, ensuring it was downloaded and distributed first. That was a nice gesture from them I think.
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Also they waited until AM2R had been out for several days before the takedown, ensuring it was downloaded and distributed first. That was a nice gesture from them I think.
Ethan Whitted 18/4/2023 5:21 pm
We hope that was the intent 😅
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We hope that was the intent 😅
LongwoodGeek 18/4/2023 5:34 pm
They'd known about it for a long time I'm sure but they have to protect their brand/IP. So I am incline to give them a bit more "benefit of the doubt" than most.
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Least Weasel 18/4/2023 7:18 pm
So I heard on Nontendo when they interviewed Kit and Krysta that it's things like modding or changing the IP or generating new works around it that get to them.
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Like, there is no such thing as a video game equivalent to a doujin
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They won't allow it. It changes the work as it was intended
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The example they gave was a BotW multiplayer mod and the person that uploaded it almost challenged the Nintendo ninjas by calling it a fair and transformative use
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All I can do is hope because Myrient / hshop doesn't carry software for any currently supported console, they're safe
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But I don't know how much I can believe that in my heart of hearts
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/4/2023 7:28 pm
fair use is very nebulous and most folks don't want to take it to court in the event they lose one way or the other. Nintendo probably figures they have enough money that they can drown the modder out without it getting to that stage
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Our heroic carpenter is back in Hammerin’ Harry and Hammerin’ Harry 2: Dan the Red Strikes Back! Check out and preview the Hammerin' Harry Concrete Collection today: https://t.co/54YBN8sCqT
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limited run collections getting quite extravagant here
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'oak wood' NES cart 🙂
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25 years is a solid run https://dvd.netflix.com/Faq
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Only 449 discs in my queue, I can do this
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From a preservation angle, they don't seem to have many raers these days, so it doesn't feel like a big hit to accessing film or TV Except for anyone whose internet or finances made this a more accessible option (edited)
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Thought you guys might like this quick clip of an interactive we have in the works: https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/1648449254833393666
Doing some interactives testing with @jpdysonplay for Level Up at @museumofplay. Opens June 30!
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Phil Salvador 18/4/2023 11:05 pm
He didn't say the word!
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Spoilers 😄
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whoa
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i feel so bad for all the fan artists who've spent years trying to replicate the style of the gen 1/2 artworks who are now learning that that look was just the result of a shitty 90s scanner and those scans being passed around for years, even among official sources at the time
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Woke up to some really charged tweets, so here's a big post for those that are concerned. [1] The existing low-quality scans of the RB/GS artwork aren't being "deleted from history" or becoming "lost media." Bulbapedia allows you to see previous reversions of every image…
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Matt Clawson 19/4/2023 2:46 pm
getting angry online about vidya games. some things never change.
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izzy (she/her) 19/4/2023 3:14 pm
oh god this is the first time i've seen a twitter blue supertweet and i basically got jumpscared by it
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Whoa what in the
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Looking forward to the first award winning Twitter novella
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Jason Scott 19/4/2023 6:15 pm
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February 1986
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/4/2023 8:27 pm
oh shoot. The guy who found Sonar has another lost game - Snark, written by John Dunn before he did Superman https://forums.atariage.com/topic/350505-snark-prototype-found/
Al Arroyo is at it again! After releasing Sonar to the community he has graciously shared the only known copy of John Dunn's (of Superman fame) lost game Snark. Snark was John's first game at Atari and went unreleased because Atari was afraid his 'Video Spin Mode' might cause seizures. Atari was ...
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Nate Lockhart 19/4/2023 8:28 pm
Oh damn!
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Ethan Whitted 20/4/2023 1:40 am
Wait, so people are mad that they got MORE accurate color versions of the art?
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Least Weasel 20/4/2023 2:43 am
Yes?
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All I can do is hope because Myrient / hshop doesn't carry software for any currently supported console, they're safe
They don't
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working on something sonic 2-related. I re-scanned the earliest mock-up shots that sega sent out, thought I'd cross-post here in case we have fans
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big upgrades from what's online
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I still have a brainworm hope that the old images of Sonic 1 with the Welcome sign and foreground elements are, or at least were, real at some point.
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Frank Cifaldi 20/4/2023 11:44 pm
oh that was a real demo
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hhhhhhhh
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Frank Cifaldi 20/4/2023 11:44 pm
they're photographs from the demo shown at tokyo toy show
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naka confirmed he doesn't know where it is
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It's my brainworm hope that some day it will pop up in some form.
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Frank Cifaldi 20/4/2023 11:44 pm
it's not impossible but it's less likely because it was only shown in japan
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That's the real Sonic to me. Welcome sign, little city tucked away in the mountains (that kinda got reused for Quarts Quadrant Good Future).
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Really appreciate the new scans, Frank!
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Yeah, crunchy but crisp
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Frank Cifaldi 20/4/2023 11:45 pm
I'm talking to al nilsen, he's checking his slides just in case
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I mean he'd be the guy
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Jason Scott 20/4/2023 11:53 pm
72 1999 GDC tapes down, 21 to go
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Damnnn you, realtime digitizing
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It implies 144 tapes, but I only have 83. I suspect those numbers are some weird Sound of Knowledge numbering system.
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I'm talking to al nilsen, he's checking his slides just in case
Ethan Whitted 21/4/2023 6:32 am
Who's Al Nilsen?
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I'll guess the inventor of the TV ratings system
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Oh no he's a former head of marketing at Sega
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Most famous for being there when Sonic gave SOA a fighting chance
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Is this the last time we see that kind of desert environment until Mania? It looks different from the Egypt-themed sand zones in 90s games
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Frank Cifaldi 21/4/2023 2:45 pm
Yeah there's a direct lineage between this screenshot and the desert in Mania
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They referenced it and recreated it for a new Sonic CD level that didn't make it into their remake, and then they built off of that for the desert in Mania
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Wild that they thought "well the American West is too obvious, let's do Egypt and a middle eastern oil refinery" (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/4/2023 2:53 pm
Well maybe? But this was cut early from Sonic 2, when they revisited doing a desert for Sonic & Knuckles it was an entirely different art team and aesthetic (edited)
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There were three American zone artists on Sonic 2 and between them they did/possibly completed tile sets for seven zones. Only two shipped
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Brenda Ross, who did this desert level, likely has no art in the final game at all, even though she apparently finished three (desert, snow, woods)
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That belongs in a museum (or a book based on research available through said museum) ❣️
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Yeah, that was rough to hear. IIRC she worked on the intended first level of Spinball too, which also got cut
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Dylan Mansfield 21/4/2023 3:20 pm
At least she got... a special thanks in Ballz 3D? https://segaretro.org/Brenda_Ross
This teeny-tiny article needs some work. You can help us by expanding it. Brenda Ross is a video game artist best known for her work on Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Sonic Spinball.
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What do you think of these Funco game prices from a 1996 issue of Video Games magazine? Anything you want to pick up? [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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$38 is too much for Warhawk on PS1
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$35 for Cool Spot? Get outta town
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$29 for a Game Boy 😮
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/4/2023 7:21 pm
huh, Wonder007 on Atariage says he has the source code for Madden 5200 as a print out but has never tried to type it in and compile it
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and a guy who has put out a variety of prerelease and unreleased atari games wants to take a crack at it
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Ultima Online is a wonder. World of Warcraft debuted in 2004; Ultima Online started in 1997. And it's still going! When it was new podcasts were not yet
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Dylan Mansfield 22/4/2023 8:13 pm
Videogame writers, creators, historians and licensing bods! Do you have an idea for a book that might be right for Read-Only Memory? Then why not tell is about it... Editor-in-chief Darren Wall is awaiting your pitch at: darren@readonlymemory.vg
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/4/2023 8:48 pm
I've got a pitch. Should I be attempting to get a book on every publisher working in this field? 😉
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/4/2023 9:17 pm
I should probably start pitching around for this second book huh
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Bet I could get MIT on board now that Bogost is gone
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That Japansoft book is real nice.
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Jason Scott 23/4/2023 12:56 am
Bogost is what
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Frank Cifaldi 23/4/2023 1:07 am
Yeah I hadn't heard this either
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/4/2023 2:22 am
Oh a while back he was no longer acquisition editor for MIT press’s video game books
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He’s the one who rejected my initial pitch for a book about RCA’s video games as “too niche”
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Sooo a friend who since got a job there as an archivist suggested I give it another go
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As the former Sarnoff Collection archivist at TCNJ she’s like “I will personally bother the editors to approve it if you try again”
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Jason Scott 23/4/2023 2:57 am
ah
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/4/2023 6:32 am
(We apologize if any of this information led anybody to the mistaken impression that Mr. Bogost is deceased)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UYXd20p90 - i was randomly watching this Seaquest TV ad for 2600 and the final line is 'Steve Cartwright does it again for Activision!' which is super interesting. (edited)
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i knew Activision was founded on talking about designers, but not so much that they would namecheck them in TV ads
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/4/2023 2:09 pm
They got namechecked in print ads too
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/4/2023 2:16 pm
Several Pitfall ads say David Crane. It pretty much ended after 1982 though.
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i recall seeing the print ads, but was surprised about TV too
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倉庫発掘シリーズ そろそろネタも尽きてきたか? 社内報 HUDSON Pages 一般の人は見ることの無いアイテムだと思われる 定期的に配られてました #ハドソン #ファミコン #レトロゲーム
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internal newsletters are the best
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I bought Atari 50 since you guys mentioned it.
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Jason Scott 23/4/2023 5:13 pm
It's the good shit
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If you don't like it, there's little else in that realm you'll like, it's the best of that
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There are a lot of games on there.
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It's neat.
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Jason Scott 23/4/2023 6:11 pm
There's ones you discover too, after you win achievements
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Kate Willært 24/4/2023 3:53 pm
Also at least one that was hidden as an easter egg that was tough to figure out
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Phil Salvador 24/4/2023 3:59 pm
COMING SOON: Season 2 of Preserving Worlds premieres on 5/22
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I'm in this one! in the background, anways, I didn't get in the interview circle because SOMEONE just bogarted their seats the entire time
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but our FC leader is interviewed pretty extensively and they're one of my favorite people to be around, so it'll be a good episode.
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Phil Salvador 24/4/2023 5:23 pm
Ooh what was it about?
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I don't see an episode list that they've put up, so if the subjects are supposed to be a surprise I won't ruin that
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and if you can ID the game based on what I said then be aware that the full episode is also about something very different.
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Phil Salvador 24/4/2023 5:25 pm
Ooh interesting
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/4/2023 7:01 pm
Mark lays down some Game Preservation talk at the end of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baV1fTQBDyo
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Frank Cifaldi 24/4/2023 9:23 pm
very WIP but we're working with someone from the Sonic hacking community to do a visual representation of lost stages from Sonic 2, using reference material we preserved
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some of the geometry is wrong because of a mismatch between two documents we have (the tiles vs. the layout, one is a different rev) but you get the idea
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/4/2023 10:11 pm
Very nice.
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Hhhhhhh
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so here's a question yall can probably help with
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we over at tcrf (or rather, me, i guess) got a "notice of trademark infringement" from some lexusnexus ip shit on behalf of a scumbag casino flash game dev
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(cough)
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mostly my question is: ok great, can i actually just post their email publicly, and how to i tell them to go piss up a rope
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(the answer to the second question will probably involve "talk to a lawyer", which is ok, i just need to have enough details to move forward)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/4/2023 4:50 pm
i'm not aware of there being any career lawyers in the server, least of all myself, but my [absolutely not legal advice] advice would be to do as much due diligence as you can, start looking into who's doing the complaining, where they're based, whether the product they hold the trademark for actually exists, whether the trademark exists
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initial google™️ suggests it's real enough, though my initial read is that they're very stupid and doing what looks to me like a "we want to wipe this off the planet for some reason" move
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probably because the page in question is about a shitty casino flash game from 2010
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a spot check of the trademark id shows that it is registered as well yeah
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the real first question i have is just "can i post the text of the notice", mostly. i feel like that should be a given but legal shit is stupid and dumb
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/4/2023 5:03 pm
yeah this is where we start verging into you probably wanting a lawyer - i've heard a thing or two about how publicizing the file potentially weakens your case but cannot remember exactly why, but also, if this is about trademark and not copyright infringement, they likely don't even have a case against you because their "trademark infringement" likely boils down to "your page about our game comes up higher in search results than our game does, even if you are specifically not serving our game yourself or anything that can be mistaken for it"
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yeah it's
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everything i can find says that posting the actual text is fine, since it's not otherwise special
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i guess since i am the intended recipient what i do with it is my own business
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and yes
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/4/2023 5:04 pm
for the wordmark and logo, huh
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there's a screenshot of the loading/title screen, i guess
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/4/2023 5:05 pm
yeah - there's a kind of legalese thing that accompanies similar such screenshots on wikipedia, let me try to find one
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same with this honestly, the five billion free use disclaimers
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 25/4/2023 5:08 pm
yeah this is exactly what i was looking for
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specifically this bit about how replaceable it is
As a screenshot, the image is not replaceable by free content; any other image that shows the packaging of the item in question would also be copyrighted, and any version that is not true to the original would be inadequate for identification or commentary. Using a different image would be misleading as to the identity of the work.
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it's pretty obviously a case of fair use; used for educational purposes, non-commerical, it's just the screenshot and name and relevant data
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just, you know, ignore idiot lawyers at one's peril (hence the caution)
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i'll probably post the notice in a few minutes so ican at least discuss it more widely
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it's probably well past time to go through similar bullshit that sonic/sega retro and vghf went through (actually making a legal entity for the site/operations and not just "i run it off a vps im just a small bean site uwu") but, effort
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navigating this crap is impossible
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That was one reason I didn't go wide with my book. I have no confidence that I did it well enough to pass lawyerly muster
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i ended up emailing info@eff about it, not sure who else to reach out to
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i feel like this is the kind of thing a competent lawyer could shut down in maybe an hour or two but i would need to know what one looks like, find them, and then get this shit dealt with
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izzy (she/her) 25/4/2023 11:59 pm
can anyone recommend a good like “retrospective” for zelda games? my husband loved BotW and is counting down the days to TotK but is curious about trying some of the older games in the meantime - i want something i can show him for a quick vibe check on the series and see if a specific game jumps out
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 26/4/2023 12:01 am
I like Matthewmatosis' reviews on the 3D Zelda series, but those are mostly critiques. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdg60-UktzB7FOxFNrVBmNZN7jqhkQdIu Gametrailers - who made my favorite Retrospectives back in the day - did a Zelda one but it's literally over a decade old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRQlpuwFSPg (edited)
A review series of five console instalments in the Zelda series, starting with Ocarina of Time and ending with comparison video to round it all off.
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izzy (she/her) 26/4/2023 12:05 am
oh yeah i think i remember watching those gametrailers ones wow
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Dylan Mansfield 26/4/2023 1:34 am
A total of 31 Nintendo 64 games have been recovered and preserved from a LodgeNet system! These were used throughout hotels as a pay-per-hour way to play games. As there was no way to store save data and only had single player support, all ROMs differ from their retail versions!
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Jason Scott 26/4/2023 1:45 am
The good stuff
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Tossed Fish 26/4/2023 3:54 pm
that's so cool
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Ethan Whitted 26/4/2023 4:13 pm
It says this Tweet doesn't exist when I try to open it 😦
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Admiral Curtiss 26/4/2023 4:13 pm
yeah same but it's on the website
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32 N64 ROMs (31 games, one tool) have been recovered from a LodgeNet system!Many hotels in the late 90s and early 2000s were equipped with the “LodgeNet” sys...
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Ethan Whitted 26/4/2023 4:15 pm
That's super dope, great news 👌
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/4/2023 4:16 pm
happened to catch something they'd tweeted last night about how the original tweet was getting "too hot" and they had elected to delete it
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Ethan Whitted 26/4/2023 4:18 pm
Are they afraid of Nintendo coming after them?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/4/2023 4:18 pm
i can only assume it's either that or the vicious hordes of commenters yelling at them about... one thing or another blobshrug
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it's the internet, if people wanna be upset at something they'll find a reason
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I don't know who needs to see this amazing work going into LCD game preservation and simulations, but this developer is doing some good work https://itizso.itch.io/acclaim-bartman
Handheld electronic game simulation
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Even offers colorized visuals as an option facemelt
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And lest you think it's just the one game: https://itizso.itch.io/retrofab
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Least Weasel 26/4/2023 6:55 pm
Eeeeeee
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And lest you think it's just the one game: https://itizso.itch.io/retrofab
Nate Lockhart 26/4/2023 8:54 pm
WOW this is impressive
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Gonna have to give this a deep dive at some point
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Oh yeah, I was messing with a Sonic LCD game one that I think recreated all of the Happy Meal/Taco Bell Sonic games?
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It was pretty cool
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Even had extra images of different sides/angles for the toys.
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Yuji Naka: They probably eat McDonald's® hamburgers, I suppose? And I think they will get a complete line-up of Happy Meal® premiums.
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whoa this is so cool
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Oh that’s wild! I found my little Billy Hatcher lcd game not too long ago
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Ooh what was it about?
well, here's a hint
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Announcement at 11am ET👀
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Jason Scott 27/4/2023 3:13 am
Finally, frog fractions
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(they are totally stealing valor we've been running them through blu content that they have been ignoring for years)
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Phil Salvador 27/4/2023 3:34 am
The oldest existing footage of fighting games with netplay (1996) was uploaded on SLB Video Archive. Special thanks to Bill Gould aka Nothingness55 for providing the tapes and TurboAnnihilator for working his upscaling magic. Enjoy 6 hours of classic Super Street Fighter II.
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These first handful of matches with a total flowchart ken that the other player downloads pretty quick so they switch to... ryu. and then back to ken. (edited)
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Very 1996 indeed
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and 2006. and 2016. lol
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/4/2023 1:26 pm
I never did have access to Xband as a kid but the folks I did know who did loved it
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The stylized patent pending typeface...
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izzy (she/her) 27/4/2023 5:12 pm
Retro computing friends: I've got a binary file from a ~2001 game containing game assets with a "RGS" file extension that I'm trying to figure out how to extract resources from. I know there are people who live for trying to figure this shit out. Where do they gather?
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sharing here in case there is someone who fits this description lol
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Phil Salvador
Via @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch. Whoaaa https://twitter.com/superloreboys/status/1651405880557203457
Mike Bentley 27/4/2023 5:15 pm
Speaking of @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch, I ordered my copy of Atari Archive Vol. 1 today
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Nate Lockhart 27/4/2023 6:54 pm
Same!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/4/2023 6:58 pm
thank you!
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I hope ya'll like it
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Mike Bentley
Speaking of @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch, I ordered my copy of Atari Archive Vol. 1 today
Did you have trouble with checking out by any chance? Mine's refusing to accept the money I wanna throw at it
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Nate Lockhart 27/4/2023 7:04 pm
I didn't have any issues
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Did you have trouble with checking out by any chance? Mine's refusing to accept the money I wanna throw at it
Mike Bentley 27/4/2023 7:43 pm
no issues for me
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Oh I worked past it. I initially opted out of the Shop Pay service they're using, and it seems the site did not like it
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I'm not sure where to begin, except to say, with equal parts fury and sadness, that Waypoint is over. The team, myself included, have been terminated by VICE, and our final day running the website, the podcasts, and streams, will come to an end on June 2nd.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/4/2023 9:31 pm
Spin up the wayback machine crawler again I guess
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Wth, just saw that…terrible
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Least Weasel 27/4/2023 10:31 pm
At least he's still got his Star Wars podcast
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@Frank Cifaldi @kelslewin I'm on, but using my tablet with a terrible mic, so I'm just eavesdropping today. 🙂
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Spin up the wayback machine crawler again I guess
I've started downloading everything on their youtube.
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Dylan Mansfield 28/4/2023 2:40 am
Just an FYI: FOI's Twitter/Discord/website just went down.
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We should start backing up a lot of this stuff https://archive.org/details/@rvt-r
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Jason Scott 28/4/2023 2:41 am
Oh, Forest of illusion, we hardly had a chance to fight with you again
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Frank Cifaldi 28/4/2023 2:41 am
I hate that Famitsu is now just "know someone with a torrent link"
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Know that there are even torrents to link to
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God damnit how can FOI just be nuked from orbit like that
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Least Weasel 28/4/2023 11:17 am
Wait, was it the Nintendo Ninjas?
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retrohistories 28/4/2023 11:19 am
@dada78641 Unfortunately the donations just aren't able to keep up with insane server costs and I'm unable to keep paying out of pocket and working on everything 20+ hours a week. The site was only run by a total of three people so it just wasn't really enough to keep it afloat longterm.
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Least Weasel 28/4/2023 11:20 am
Alas
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Apparently the files are up on archive.org according to togemet2 who I worked with to put some Undiscovered ROMs on there after Hard4Games covered them.
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yes
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Jason Scott 28/4/2023 4:17 pm
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Look at me, I Am The Forest of Illusion now
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Least Weasel 28/4/2023 4:44 pm
Do you have that image loaded and ready for when you've got a good excuse for it?
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Jason Scott 28/4/2023 4:45 pm
Do you think I need to?
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Least Weasel 28/4/2023 4:47 pm
I hope not, but I would just in case
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You are very memeable
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Jason Scott 28/4/2023 4:48 pm
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Least Weasel 28/4/2023 4:48 pm
There we go!
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Very Joseph Ducreux energy
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I was not prepared for the number of waypoint videos that are 5+ hours long.
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I finally said screw it and upgraded to an unlimited data cap. I always knew this day would come.
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I was not prepared for the number of waypoint videos that are 5+ hours long.
because they're streams? podcasts?
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if they were doing scripted 5 hour videos then I regret not paying attention to them
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Yeah, mostly streams. Podcasts are normally around the 2 hour mark
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Perhaps playing Pictionary on the NES wasn't the ideal 'use case' you had when you bought the console? But this 1991 U.S. print ad (scanned via VGHF!) tries to sell you on it with a typical (dys)functional family.
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Whoa I'm not sure if I'm cool enough
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Frank Cifaldi 28/4/2023 6:11 pm
this photo matches the tone of the title screen music
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Matt Clawson 28/4/2023 6:31 pm
the waypoint community is organizing an archiving campaign. it looks like they've been given some advice already w.r.t. Archive.org and collections. if anyone is interested and doesn't have an invite to their discord community, i'm happy to send you their way. They're trying to capture as much of the writing, podcasts, videos, streams, tweets, etc. (edited)
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lazerwalker 29/4/2023 7:00 pm
Okay, I feel weird necro-ing a 1.5-year-old post, but a friend sent me a link to this from here and it sent me down a rabbithole that ended in me reverse-engineering the game's barks database and extracting copies of all ~900 Gilbert-Gottfried-as-Clippy audio files. I'm extremely curious if anyone else has any context about this game, since there's vanishingly little online. (or its counterpart -- it looks like both Bicycle Card Games and Bicycle Board Games were published in 2001. The copy of Card Games I have features all the audio assets for games in Board Games despite not having any of them playable) (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:09 pm
I'm not even sure who worked on it tbh aside from it being Microsoft published
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lazerwalker 29/4/2023 7:10 pm
yeah, I got the name of the studio somewhere, they no longer exist
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:10 pm
I'll crawl the program itself and see if it has credits
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lazerwalker 29/4/2023 7:10 pm
"Compulsive Development". Looks like they formed in 2000, shipped these in 2001, and then were acquired by Glass Eye Entertainment in 2002 https://www.mobygames.com/search/?q=Glass+Eye+Entertainment
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which honestly sounds like it might be some shenanigans of "forming a new legal entity just for a MS contract"
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:13 pm
No sign of any actual people names in the program itself...
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lazerwalker 29/4/2023 7:14 pm
I'm working now on transcribing all of the barks, a lot of it is unhinged (positive)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:14 pm
I would not be surprised if there were some ex Sierra people on this tbh
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or else some fans of the older Hoyle games
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Phil Salvador 29/4/2023 7:15 pm
It looks like Compulsive was mostly made of ex-Origin Systems people, plus one programmer who worked on the Hoyle stuff
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But they were probably a small scraping-together-gig-work company out of Austin
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:15 pm
would the programmer be named Warren Schwader by chance?
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Phil Salvador 29/4/2023 7:15 pm
Earl Malmrose
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:16 pm
oh wait duh i missed a credits button in the about box
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there's some credits in here for Random Games, Inc.
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but only for their president and vice president
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Jim Crew as music composition and audio lead. Unfamiliar with that name, and i have no evidence to suppose this but I wonder if he's responsible for the midi file connection (that I don't think I mentioned in here)
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one sec
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so, hidden within the driver CAB files on the windows 98 install CD is a midi file called MWVBLUES
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one of the included mp3 tracks is a live recording of that song
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MWVBLUES does not have any embedded credits in the midi text and nobody really seems to know why it's buried like that
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it doesn't seem to tie to any known Easter eggs
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here, 3 years afterwards, is Jim Crew, Francis Dyer, and Greg Gelb, performing that song as a jazz ensemble for a card game
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lazerwalker 29/4/2023 7:23 pm
ahh, fun, yeah, I was so laser-focused on reverse-engineering the Game.rds file I didn't even poke at the music
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/4/2023 7:26 pm
the other songs don't resemble any other of the known Windows demo songs
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Oh what the hell i just found a bug - one of the card faces swaps the queen and king of clubs.
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No wonder it keeps saying I'm making an invalid move
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Do we know why Kick Master wasnt released in Japan?
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Developed by KID and published by Taito
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george rohac 30/4/2023 3:31 am
real curious if this is legit. video in the quoted tweet. - https://twitter.com/TokyoGameLife/status/1652309875609997312?s=20
A collector in Japan may have somehow procured a prototype of the cancelled Game and Watch Tetris. No idea how but this is an unbelievable find. #RetroGaming
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wow, looks real to me
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/4/2023 4:01 am
According to Nintendo historian Florent Gorges, prior to the appearance of these pics of the Tetris prototype, there was a debate among former Nintendo employees about its existence, with some claiming that it did not exist (including Hirokazu Tanaka)... https://t.co/SIuzFHJOZJ
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Ethan Whitted 30/4/2023 5:38 am
Wow this is incredible.
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Anyone have a good tool for de-duping pictures/files in Windows?
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I think you'd have to navigate to the directory that has the dupes before running that powershell command tho
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Otherwise it could do some serious damage
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Phil Salvador 1/5/2023 9:07 pm
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/culture/behind-the-effort-to-honor-forgotten-game-industry-figures
both Johnson and Monnens say Kate Willaert’s article on Addis was the first significant article that highlighted her contributions to games. Without it, she probably would not have received the Pioneer Award.
Today we all know the names of video game industry legends like Jerry Lawson and Mabel Addis. But what kind of work did it take to preserve their legacies?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/5/2023 9:10 pm
Yes, we all know...
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that's awesome!
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I guess at least the article says Lawson is "credited" with inventing the cartridge since that is a technically correct statement. Of course he really had virtually nothing to do with the invention (yes, I know the horse is dead and all that).
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Sketch Turner's best friend is Roadkill, his pet rat. "Saved from certain doom in a garbage truck -- I love this little creep!" 🐀 #SEGAForever #ComixZone
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/5/2023 3:53 am
There was a preservation chat today - consider it an unofficial VGHH episode! We went in deep about how we can work together and things we can do to support preservation initiatives. Frank, Kelsey, Hubz, and Jonas run a roundtable of what we have the potential to start. https://archive.org/details/game-preservationist-chat-No-1
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Dylan Mansfield 3/5/2023 4:30 am
Hope we get to do this again sometime!
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Lots of fun
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We visited the AMAZING Video Game History Foundation to make a donation from our personal collection and tour their archives of incredible historical items. Come along with us as we uncover gaming history! https://t.co/U3A4nQlpOB
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On the next episode of REWIND (https://t.co/D32lIwML0L) on Friday, April 5th at 3-4PM EDT, I will be joined by co-directors the Video Game History Foundation, @frankcifaldi and @kelslewin, to discuss their mission, game preservation, and more! @AWSGameTech @GameHistoryOrg.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/5/2023 4:17 pm
I took that photo!
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frank: great at youtube thumbnails
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Phil Salvador 3/5/2023 4:28 pm
I cannot watch videos that I might be awkwardly hovering in
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/5/2023 4:29 pm
In the Preservation Talk we do get to hear you audibly leave, does that count as awkwardly out of frame
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/5/2023 4:37 pm
Honestly wasn't expecting that donation to be as cool as it was! Very nice.
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Phil Salvador 3/5/2023 4:41 pm
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BenjEdwards 3/5/2023 5:18 pm
I made a tag on Ars Technica for all my retro tech history/nostalgia articles that I do occasionally between AI coverage: retrotech https://arstechnica.com/tag/retrotech/
Serving the Technologist for more than a decade. IT news, reviews, and analysis.
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BenjEdwards 3/5/2023 5:51 pm
I'm announcing it in several places because I've had a few people come to me recently and say, "Benj why aren't you writing about tech history anymore." Well, I am still, kinda, it's just overwhelmed by my other work right now. 🙂
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
There was a preservation chat today - consider it an unofficial VGHH episode! We went in deep about how we can work together and things we can do to support preservation initiatives. Frank, Kelsey, Hubz, and Jonas run a roundtable of what we have the potential to start. https://archive.org/details/game-preservationist-chat-No-1
Ethan Whitted 3/5/2023 6:48 pm
Cool!
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Least Weasel 4/5/2023 1:11 am
AI do be like that
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Phil Salvador 4/5/2023 3:26 am
I'm biting my tongue about all the Maxis interviews I've been doing, but god I just had an amazing talk with the #2 in the sales department
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Everyone needs to interview non-developers all the time
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/5/2023 3:32 am
I talk to guys who made cabinet designs. They got good stories michael
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Phil Salvador
Everyone needs to interview non-developers all the time
Nate Lockhart 4/5/2023 4:16 am
I did one recently with someone in the parts department at Williams - some great stories of wild Christmas parties and the lady who sold tamales once a week
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Phil Salvador 4/5/2023 4:16 am
Outstanding
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Nate Lockhart 4/5/2023 4:19 am
Also, apparently people stole the backglass for Bride of Pin-Bot like, all the time
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/5/2023 4:19 am
I tell ya it was fun getting a three person call together for people who worked at Rick Dyer's company. I got to hear all about the crucial taco truck
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Nate Lockhart 4/5/2023 4:20 am
Mexican food: a major staple in the diet of game developers
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Phil Salvador
Everyone needs to interview non-developers all the time
I do!
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Phil Salvador 4/5/2023 4:29 am
I keep second-guessing myself about how much to share here about the book so far, but boy I learned a lot about interdepartmental tensions at Maxis today haha
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Everyone from the game production side has had vague impressions about what was happening internally, but I talked to one sales person and they immediately filled in the gaps
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Dylan Mansfield 4/5/2023 7:55 pm
I've started pushing the source code stored out on the disks donated by Tim Follin onto my Git. This is going to be an ongoing background project. Enjoy. https://t.co/fi83Jd2ZLs
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/5/2023 12:33 am
https://youtu.be/dyNBaMEsGG4?t=1007 - from the creator of the Pac-Man 7Up commercial, a year earlier in 1982 - this early CG opus for Atari.
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begins at roughly 17 minutes
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(with obligatory warnings for flashing lights)
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NEW YORK, May 04, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Atari® — one of the world's most iconic consumer brands and interactive entertainment producers — announced today the acquisition of more than a dozen Atari 2600 games published originally under the M Network label. The collection includes fan favorites Armor Ambush, Astroblast, Frogs And Flies, Space A...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/5/2023 3:20 am
@Phil Salvador didn’t I call this happening a couple weeks ago
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Though I guess I called them buying all the Intellivision rights
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With the big exception of the likes of Activision, I wonder if it is remotely possible to get basically the entire [retail] library under one roof.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/5/2023 3:23 am
I want to know if this includes the unreleased 2600 games. They could in theory put out golden skull and a few others
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/5/2023 3:35 am
ah, Armor Ambush, a game that I constantly forgot the name of but would never forget playing
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 4:32 am
It's interesting that they're doing it title-by-title
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Nate Lockhart 5/5/2023 5:50 am
Fascinating that it was just the M-Network games they were after.
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Also, Astroblast >> Astrosmash
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Interesting, were these acquired from Intellivision Entertainment or did Mattel still hold the rights to these?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/5/2023 6:12 pm
Intellivision had them I believe
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 6:15 pm
Oh that's really interesting
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I assumed Intellivision's goal was just to fully sell their company/IP to Atari, so it's interesting that they're doing it piecemeal
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That feels less like a buyout and more like a fundraising yard sale
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/5/2023 6:16 pm
Now from my understanding, Amico did not absorb all of Intellivision Productions. They bought big parts from it, but they didn't absorb Robinson's company.
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 6:17 pm
Oh hmm
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Matt Clawson 5/5/2023 6:29 pm
Y'all have these issues of GameRoom ? Can buy if needed
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Now from my understanding, Amico did not absorb all of Intellivision Productions. They bought big parts from it, but they didn't absorb Robinson's company.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/5/2023 6:29 pm
See my understanding is that they bought the IP to all the video game stuff, the name, the logos etc
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The Blue Sky Rangers still exists as an entity to sell some existing merch
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But I could see Tallarico only being interested in the Intellivision stuff
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Matt Clawson
Y'all have these issues of GameRoom ? Can buy if needed
not sure, @Phil Salvador would know.
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 6:40 pm
I haven't seen them? Frank might know if we have them tucked away or in storage but it's something I'm aware we have
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Lemme check where they'd be real quick
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Matt Clawson 5/5/2023 6:41 pm
No rush. I'll be here a few hours. $20 /yr happy to buy if the donation is welcome and wanted
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/5/2023 6:41 pm
Oh I think we have all those digitally
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Yes we have a complete digital set as far as I'm aware. Of course for VGHF do as you deem!
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we have some but i have no idea which ones
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 6:45 pm
Yeah Frank says we have some but not sure which ones, and that these are all scanned (edited)
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I think it's a little outside our scope? Frank says most of the content from this date range is non-game related
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/5/2023 6:46 pm
Opened a random issue from 2005 and lol
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I would classify this magazine as an early retro mag. It's broader because it's kind of a collectibles magazine of many things, but it's got stuff like interviews and retrospectives on top of auction things. (edited)
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Matt Clawson 5/5/2023 6:49 pm
No worries!! Thanks for the quick response ❤️
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/5/2023 6:50 pm
Remember when the Ultracade was the future?
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Mike Bentley 5/5/2023 6:51 pm
that reminds me, I remember being so disappointed when seeing Namco releasing that 20th anniversary Galaga / Ms. Pac-Man cabinet and finding out that it was still priced like a normal coin-op
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I was hoping the fact that it ran such old games would mean I could actually dream of buying one
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Matt Clawson
No worries!! Thanks for the quick response ❤️
Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 6:52 pm
Thank you for thinking of us! I wasn't sure about these either until literally 15 minutes ago
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Mike Bentley 5/5/2023 6:53 pm
speaking of now-retro retro game coverage, does anyone remember that guy who ran I want to say an Atari website in the early 2000s who made a portable VCS? my memory is fuzzy enough I'm having a hard time googling this
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obviously these projects are a dime-a-dozen these days but felt very novel then
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Phil Salvador 5/5/2023 7:01 pm
Frank and Kelsey talkin' with Chris right now https://www.twitch.tv/awsgametech
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Mike Bentley
speaking of now-retro retro game coverage, does anyone remember that guy who ran I want to say an Atari website in the early 2000s who made a portable VCS? my memory is fuzzy enough I'm having a hard time googling this
Ben Heckendorn
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Yeah, my reaction as well @Phil Salvador
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Remember when the Ultracade was the future?
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/5/2023 7:21 pm
I remember my local arcade had one of these. Friend and I played a lot of Pipis and Bibis
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Mike Bentley 5/5/2023 8:48 pm
Ah, didn't realize he went on to become internet famous
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DeppySlide 5/5/2023 9:09 pm
wait did something happen with Ben heck
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/5/2023 9:10 pm
I waved hi to him at MGC once and he tiredly waved me away.
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I forget the specifics but I think he went hard covid is a hoax for a while there?
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Jason Scott 5/5/2023 9:18 pm
Just so there's no confusion. I am pro liberty, pro freedom, pro fuck or marry whoever who you. I consider myself a humanist. The COVID response goes against all these things. It is reprehensible to freedom and that's why I'll continue to rally against tyranny.
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Real "less people are dying of covid than are being born" shitlord incel crap
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Was an easy toss into the trash
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Two days ago
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Nate Lockhart 5/5/2023 9:24 pm
Yeah, I was real disappointed to learn he was like that
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Use a fume extractor when you solder, folks
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Jason Scott 5/5/2023 9:24 pm
I'm not surprised, he had attrobutes of this before
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I'm not surprised, he had attrobutes of this before
Nate Lockhart 5/5/2023 9:25 pm
I didn't notice those before, but it makes a lot of sense after the fact
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Really makes me wonder about the details of why he left his element14 show
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DeppySlide 5/5/2023 9:40 pm
damn that stinks
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Jason Scott
Real "less people are dying of covid than are being born" shitlord incel crap
Not that any of the other takes are any better but I had not seen that specific one. 😬
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Frank Cifaldi 5/5/2023 9:51 pm
I'm getting really tired of the retro tech man character arc, it goes the same way every time, we need new writers
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he's even got the sunglasses avatar, man
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Nate Lockhart 5/5/2023 9:55 pm
Sunglasses on avatar = instant red flag
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Ethan Whitted 5/5/2023 9:55 pm
Ow, that last one is the worst of all.
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Like, I wanna give the guy empathy but... "as long as we make babies faster than people die off it's okay however people die" ??? (edited)
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Turns out the exchange rate for FREEDOM is 50 million annual.
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You learn something every day.
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Frank Cifaldi 5/5/2023 9:59 pm
I saved one of his really early portable 2600s from ewaste at gamespot a few months ago, not remotely a fan of his or anything but it's a neat piece to house
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my memory says it was the start of all of that portable-izing but that might just be my perception
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Definitely cool and noteworthy for the time, though these days even the more casually leaning mod scene isn't afraid to chop and rewire PCBs anymore.
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Nate Lockhart 5/5/2023 10:16 pm
That first 2600 portable seemed like magic at the time. Always wanted to make one of my own
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Least Weasel 6/5/2023 12:04 am
Waiiiiiit
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Nintendo PlayStation Ben Heck is awful?!
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Nooooooo! He was the one handed ps4 controller guy!
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Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 12:06 am
Yep, full-on libertarian weirdo
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Something about those techy gen-xers
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Least Weasel 6/5/2023 12:07 am
Well crap
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I was going to reach out to him. For a while he was it as far as accessibility controllers
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Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 12:09 am
I had him on my own podcast a few years ago. One more reason to be kinda glad those early episodes are buried away
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Least Weasel 6/5/2023 12:11 am
I need to learn to solder and then be the lefty cool version of that guy
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Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 12:11 am
I fully support this
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I had him on my own podcast a few years ago. One more reason to be kinda glad those early episodes are buried away
Ethan Whitted 6/5/2023 12:15 am
Was he that bad back then?
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Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 12:16 am
If he was, I wasn't privy to it. I do remember he was in a bad mood at the time I had him on, due to the snow that Sunday at MGC
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 12:29 am
Covid broke a lot of people’s brains
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Least Weasel 6/5/2023 12:43 am
Ngl it was scary doing medical stuff
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Matt Clawson 6/5/2023 12:57 am
there was a dude at Allentown pinball festival that had stacks and stacks of NOS Atari games. He showed me pictures of a storage unit just filled with crates of sealed games.
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is this a new thing? or not uncommon?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 12:58 am
Not particularly new, there’s been people selling NOS 2600 games since the late 90s
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Matt Clawson 6/5/2023 12:58 am
I was hoping you'd see that message 😄
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thanks! i didn't buy anything. did really good today about restraining my impulses. Played some pinball, had some pleasant conversations. Spent $5 on 5 pinballs.
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Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 12:59 am
Good ol O'Sheas
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Matt Clawson 6/5/2023 12:59 am
came close to buying a dead 1942 Bootleg PCB (but then i remembered MiSTer) (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Covid broke a lot of people’s brains
Frank Cifaldi 6/5/2023 1:02 am
No it was the masks weren't you listening
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Nate Lockhart
Sunglasses on avatar = instant red flag
Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/5/2023 1:10 am
note to self: next toaster avatar i draw, i'm putting sunglasses on him
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then again the cigar and nose ring probably already do enough red-flagging for a certain type of person kuratoaster
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(and that one doesn't even have the nose ring on it...)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Not particularly new, there’s been people selling NOS 2600 games since the late 90s
Ethan Whitted 6/5/2023 3:15 am
What is NOS?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 3:16 am
New old stock
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Nate Lockhart
Good ol O'Sheas
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 3:16 am
I think Best still has some pallets
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And of course the Venezuelan warehouse haul
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I think Best still has some pallets
Nate Lockhart 6/5/2023 3:29 am
I believe it
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I remember reading about a guy who's sitting on a warehouse of hardware for a certain system and because he's basically the only supplier of NOS parts you also have to be nice to him or he won't sell you anything
4:35 am
Don't think it was Atari stuff... maybe Commodore 64 or early 80s Apple
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 4:40 am
Oh that’s Best Electronics
4:41 am
He’s got all the Atari parts, including new stuff he’s had fabricated
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I’ve bought from him multiple times and asked his advice for parts and such, he’s pretty good to deal with as long as you’re not rude or like, trying to stockpile shit
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Oh I love the website
4:47 am
They're local 😮
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I live in Sunnyvale and sometimes just stroll by some condos and realize oh that's where Atari was
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And hey that comedy club used to be Andy Capp's Tavern
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/5/2023 4:49 am
Hah
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/5/2023 1:10 pm
Celebrating the launch of my book from @UofMPress. Thanks to everyone for their support. Go get your copy today. I heard reading it is more fun than the upcoming Zelda game! 50% off promo code SPRING23 at: https://t.co/MzaShpykf2 Author blog post: https://t.co/fNERYyeqcQ
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Jason Scott 6/5/2023 5:30 pm
A few more thoughts on ol' Benny Heck: This is all self-own - he's doing this pronouncement not in private conversation, in the middle of a relevant-subject speech (what do engineers thing of the pandemic) - he's choosing to, over and over, for years, make statements showing a utter lack of sympathy for the human costs of the pandemic. His ability to stuff a machine into a smaller form factor and still come out functional appears, in aggregate to be one of the few times he can stuff a big idea like "addressing an unknown infectious disease with a large killing rate will have missteps and over-reactions, because people don't want a lot of other people to die, even if it's not directly beneficial" into a tiny, tiny worldview.
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Digging wasn't necessary to find him taking a sociopathic approach to death, and as someone who lost a mother and an uncle in the same week to this in 2020, my regard and patience for not calling out this thinking is on the minimal side.
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Jason Scott 7/5/2023 1:34 am
Random review on a genesis game
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Jason Scott 7/5/2023 6:59 pm
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I got nothin
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Frank Cifaldi 7/5/2023 7:01 pm
I deleted a comment from misreading specs
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Jason Scott 7/5/2023 7:02 pm
Mostly by dint of I bet it was a donation
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Frank Cifaldi 7/5/2023 7:02 pm
This thing rules actually
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It even does film with backlight
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Frank Cifaldi 8/5/2023 4:25 pm
I wonder if 101 is some kind of record for a game history interview https://twitter.com/JackGYarwood/status/1655608139125862402?t=8u9d1YPJr0Wc6cjoJ03LyQ&s=19
With the Barbie film out later this year, I decided to track down those responsible for the first-ever Barbie game. I spoke to Michael Katz & Eddy Goldfarb (who is now 101 years old) and recently tracked down Larry Irvin, the programmer on the project.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/5/2023 4:25 pm
That’s hard to beat
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/5/2023 4:26 pm
I've only got 92 sadfrog
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/5/2023 4:26 pm
I’ve hit people in their 90s
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Frank Cifaldi 8/5/2023 4:36 pm
that's elder abuse
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/5/2023 6:53 pm
After hundreds of hours of research and an undisclosed amount of money invested into used Nokia 3410 phones and dumping equipment, I'm happy to announce that we managed to recover and preserve Nokia's almost lost game, Munkiki's Castles, versions 1.03 and 1.06.
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Is this the Haunted House prototype you were looking for? I think @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch? https://hiddenpalace.org/Haunted_House_(Aug_12,_1981_prototype)
A prototype of Haunted House for the Atari 2600.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/5/2023 1:39 pm
yeah that's the one
1:39 pm
did not actually think hidden palace covered atari games
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oh actually because that page was created yesterday, someone must have been trawling atariage and adding stuff
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 5:53 pm
In SF, confused Frank is not sitting next to me
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 5:54 pm
I don't cross the bridge for nobody
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 5:54 pm
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 5:55 pm
exactly
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 5:56 pm
Does the library take visitors, if the visitors are awesome and also me
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 6:20 pm
Give me time tables
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 6:20 pm
I bend to your will, Frank
6:22 pm
Today's things are mostly me getting a bunch of backlogged data uploaded to the archive that has been waiting for the chance.
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 6:23 pm
can't today or tomorrow, thursday morning is good, friday afternoon is good (and may include laine)
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 6:24 pm
Ooooo
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 6:24 pm
thursday would be hard out by 1
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Jason Scott 9/5/2023 6:24 pm
Well, then I should tag along with Laine
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LAINE NOONEY and friend
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Frank Cifaldi 9/5/2023 6:24 pm
tentative! talk to @Phil Salvador in DM, he's talking to them
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/5/2023 6:25 pm
the laine nooney experience featuring jason
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 2:15 am
Anyone remember the Indrema?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/5/2023 3:41 am
i knew exactly one person who had ever even heard of that thing back in the day
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and they seemed so absolutely certain it was going to be out that year
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Least Weasel 10/5/2023 2:28 pm
Linux based ... sounds Valve-y
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Wow, never heard of this…have to say it’s probably the most Y2K vaporware design possible
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Controller looks like a naboo capital ship
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Around 2000, there was a company called Indrema, and their L600 console. It would take on XBOX head on, and also compete with PS2, with their own PC-based game console, the L600, intended to launch in 2001. This was years before the first announcement of Infinium Labs' Phantom console which was...
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 2:40 pm
That chrome controller would've started flaking instantly
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Are you suggesting it’s not a high quality all-metal construction? godman
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Jeremy Seith 10/5/2023 4:56 pm
it needs a vacuum fluorescent display
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 4:56 pm
Has anyone ever done an all-stainless steel game controller?
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Jeremy Seith 10/5/2023 4:58 pm
lol the best controller post onion handling
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:36 pm
progress shot on the sonic 2 lost levels stuff we're working on, this is gonna be cool
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 7:36 pm
He just runnin'
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Correction, way past cool
7:39 pm
Now I really want a playable sprite of that cute sonic doodle—there has to be a fan game out there somewhere with that, right??
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:39 pm
Yasuhara Mode
7:40 pm
he did uncharted levels on paper too, I wonder if his nathan drake is cute
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I forget if it was Uncharted or Jak & Daxter environmental stuff
7:40 pm
but I remember seeing the trees and being like "Are those Sonic trees?"
7:40 pm
In some sketches
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:40 pm
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ok yeah pretty cute
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Yep, there they are, Sonic Trees.
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Ok, I would definitely play that version of uncharted (for more that 15 min lol)
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I think there were some similar Jak & Daxter concepts which had a similar cute feel
7:42 pm
I love the rocks, too
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This is what the portable uncharted should have looked like
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Very sculpted
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:42 pm
oh wow I didn't know until right now what he worked on at STI before Sonic 2 came in
7:42 pm
I don't even think it's very well documented that those weird download games came from STI. Pyramid Magic is really good
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Ooh, I should give Pyramid Magic a try
7:44 pm
Kinda makes me think of just a whole game that's Story of Melroon puzzles.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:45 pm
we had pyramid magic on gametap, there's a kind of poetry to these download-only genesis games only being made available again on a digital subscription service
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 7:45 pm
Lul
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 7:46 pm
real staff favorite though, we pushed it to the community a lot
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 7:46 pm
STI also made that Dick Tracy game, with the help of our favorite Bubsy developer, Mike Schwartz bubsy
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Dylan Mansfield 10/5/2023 7:49 pm
We found out recently that STI also did some design work on Decap Attack
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Frank Cifaldi
real staff favorite though, we pushed it to the community a lot
Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 7:51 pm
I definitely played it for the first time on Gametap, I was amazed there was this fully formed game I'd never heard of (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
STI also made that Dick Tracy game, with the help of our favorite Bubsy developer, Mike Schwartz bubsy
Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 8:03 pm
legitimately interesting game design and legitimately overlooked imo, like there isn't even a published TAS
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 8:05 pm
If you think I am going to move coast to coast again
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/5/2023 8:51 pm
Just wait until the library of congress needs someone to take charge of their video game materials
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 8:52 pm
TBH I don't know that you could lure me away with that! I like operating without the constraints of somewhere that formal
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 9:14 pm
there also isn't much there
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Jeremy Seith 10/5/2023 9:14 pm
fine i'll go
9:15 pm
the selznick is there
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 9:34 pm
I will take over and finally get the Brown Box working again
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only 3 and a half hours by car to toronto, rite?
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 9:38 pm
I thought Frank meant there isn't much there re: Library of Congress not having extensive game collections
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oh haha
9:40 pm
i thought he was being rude about the strong's location bubsy
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 9:41 pm
Rochester has Dinosaur BBQ, that's a lure on its own
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Frank Cifaldi 10/5/2023 9:41 pm
yeah I meant LoC has a pretty uninteresting video game archive
9:42 pm
culper has scrapple at all two diners
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 9:42 pm
I got a very good bacon donut there
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I’m still craving a garbage plate…
9:43 pm
I think there’s some kind of garbage plate festival next week
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I've got donuts on the mind now...
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 9:44 pm
I have to schedule a trip back and get a garbage plate for sure
9:44 pm
The trip's for other reasons but also garbage plate
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 9:45 pm
Upstate New York food is the pinnacle of American cuisine, sorry-not-sorry Southerners.
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Phil Salvador 10/5/2023 9:46 pm
Famous Albany steamed hams
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I haven't had the chance to really explore it, but I did go to a place next door to the Microsoft offices a few times when I visited that had a really good sloppy joe mac & cheese bowl that I fantasize about often.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/5/2023 9:47 pm
I believe I've had that. Sloppy Joes mix is hard to make right. The canned stuff is gross.
9:47 pm
But this is straying far from a conversation for General
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Food keeps the mind sharp for Video Game History.
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Frank Cifaldi
there also isn't much there
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/5/2023 10:31 pm
In this scenario they’d actually be delving into it more, which is unlikely
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I haven't had the chance to really explore it, but I did go to a place next door to the Microsoft offices a few times when I visited that had a really good sloppy joe mac & cheese bowl that I fantasize about often.
Did someone say Joe & Mac?
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They're back, in a comfort food bowl form (and remake on various platforms)
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(for some reason, but why not)
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Didn’t know that Glenn died, but I’m not far from this if there’s anything of interest
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For the unfamiliar he did a lot of 8 bit conversions back in the day
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maybe the magazines would be interesting for VGHF.
2:24 pm
(if a little niche)
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Frank Cifaldi 11/5/2023 2:36 pm
Impossible to tell from the photos
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/5/2023 2:55 pm
Interesting decision this past Monday from the U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta. The Court held that creating an iOS emulator was "fair use" under copyright law and Apple couldn't stop someone from selling virtualization software to help security researchers poke around its operating system. This precedent could establish fairly br...
2:55 pm
What caught my eye was the 11th Circuit's finding that since iOS was an operating system it fell outside the "core" protections of copyright: "We have no doubt that iOS embodies a great deal of creativity. But it's still a functional program meant to run consumer electronic devices." Another tidbit: The Court said that fair use allowed for emulation of the entire operating system. Apple couldn't restrict it to just certain parts.
2:56 pm
With link to full ruling via google scholar in the post.
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Phil Salvador 11/5/2023 2:58 pm
Been a lot of good news about this case! Only bummer is that it's an "unpublished" opinion, so it can't be used as precedent (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/5/2023 3:05 pm
Still don't get how that works
7:05 pm
I'm today years old finding out that BOSE from the rap group Scha Dara Parr was featured in the Ocarina of Time commercials.
7:05 pm
Scha Dara Parr did the Zelda Rap for the first Zelda commercial.
7:06 pm
Not really sure why I never bothered looking up the music artist when it was featured in BIG RED TEXT on the bottom of the commercial.
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Dylan Mansfield 11/5/2023 7:59 pm
In honour of The Legend Of Zelda Tears Of The Kingdom coming out tomorrow, I wanted to pay homage to the first 3D Zelda game: Ocarina Of Time 🗡️ #intimsworld #zelda #ocarinaoftime #n64 #nintendo #retrogames #archive
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I’m guessing that dev cart has the build of “Zelda64” which was shared with Rare that I made these notes on over 25 years ago!
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Hi everyone. Here comes Unauthorizon's official twitter account. We decided to open the database to public on May 19th. More than 9000 unauthorized/bootleg game consoles are waiting for you. Stay tuned.
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Phil Salvador 12/5/2023 1:02 am
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Hey I was also at the law talkin place today
1:03 am
Their wiki could use some updates. Really poorly documented
1:04 am
Wait that could be a library 🏛
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Phil Salvador 12/5/2023 1:13 am
It's the physical Internet Archive building!
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I really like that it's in a building that looks like that.
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Phil Salvador 12/5/2023 1:38 am
Laine Laine Laine!
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Jason Scott 12/5/2023 1:58 am
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It was a tough week. Getting Laine’s book in the mail made me smile so wide. Only topped by now seeing this shirt!
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Least Weasel 12/5/2023 3:00 am
That's the best shirt
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Jason Scott 12/5/2023 9:39 pm
Is the place still open?
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Can I visit
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Frank Cifaldi 12/5/2023 10:01 pm
yeah, laine will be here at 4, I'm leaving probably 5:30
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hoping to stay slightly heads down until then but you're welcome when they're here!
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Jason Scott 12/5/2023 10:03 pm
Dm me the address, I'll be there at 4
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/5/2023 5:42 pm
i guess they uploaded a handful of these today, heh
5:42 pm
I'm way into that Mario Paint one
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Dylan Mansfield 14/5/2023 5:31 pm
We have lost someone to whom many of us owe very much. You may have never heard of Bob Smith, “a common name for such an uncommon man,” as Ed Rotberg says, but if you play videogames of any type, this brilliant and kind man’s work and craft are part of you. I’m so very sad.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/5/2023 6:11 pm
My first experience at CGE 2004 was running into Bob in the hotel lobby and talking about how it was hard to find food in the immediate area
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Just a genuinely lovely guy
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/5/2023 6:31 pm
think I'll clean up my interview transcript with him today
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 6:58 pm
At this point I am just squeezing tiny drops out of looking at unreleased NES games but I added a new one today: HAL was localizing Hole in One Professional and it got as far as getting an NES product code. It's rare I find something new, but this was in a VidPro order form I just got access to. Ok carry on
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Oh and the title just says "Golf" but I doubt it would have shipped with that considering that's the name of the Nintendo Golf game
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I also got the product codes for some of the unreleased Fisher Price stuff so if you're excited to know what the label would have said on a Fisher Price: My Grand Piano cart label I got you, it's NES-F6-USA
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:03 pm
nice
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good catch for a Fisher
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:04 pm
Also Karnov 2 is NES-VK-USA, oh and by the way there was a Karnov 2 that was never publicly announced but was assigned a product ID and nobody has ever seen it
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We don't know when it was submitted beyond "1990 or before"
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Oh but before today it was "1993 or before" so that's kinda new
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:08 pm
you've narrowed it down by 3 years, id give that a point
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:09 pm
And it couldn't have been before Karnov 1 which is January 1988, so we have it down TO three years
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I have no idea when in 1990 this catalog was printed though
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:11 pm
whats it like collecting information from across both the pond and a language barrier like that, it can't be easy to sus out what was going on at Data East i imagine especially now that it hasn't been a thing for 20 years (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:11 pm
Anyway list is up to 552 including announced working titles for released games, and released games announced by a different publisher, and complete rumor mill stuff etc like "there's maybe a Bon Jovi game coming" in an EGM column
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:13 pm
552 of what exactly
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:14 pm
Unreleased NES games
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:15 pm
ahh ok
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:15 pm
Not including Famicom and almost exclusively U.S.
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:15 pm
that's crazy, that's nearly on par with the actual U.S. retail libary isn't it US was somewhere around 740 iirc
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:16 pm
Yeah but how big the list is depends on what you'd call real
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/5/2023 7:16 pm
Oh dont get Frank started on how many NES games there are 😉 (edited)
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:17 pm
in terms of the unreleased list, what proportion would you regard as 'verifiably existed at some point'
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you mentioned there's some rumored games in there too
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:22 pm
I'd have to do some work to figure that out but these days I'm almost considering laying this out like a pyramid: 1. Games that Nintendo acknowledged and/or had in-house to evaluate 2. Games that were neither of the above but were shown or advertised in a major way (trade show demo etc), aka "these seem Real but I don't know that they ever got submitted or approved" 3. Titles announced that might have just been total b.s./bull-shots/etc 4. Demos/prototypes with no publisher attached (devs never got it signed etc) 5. Stuff with no primary source at all (rumors, mail order lists etc.) And then maybe addendums and errata, preproduction titles, obvious mistakes (Game Boy games listed as NES). Oh and I'm not sure if I want to weave in the unlicensed stuff or segregate it
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:24 pm
I think you'd have to segregate the unlicensed stuff because the line blurs a lot there in regards to professional releases, homebrew and bootlegs
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still, a very thorough pyramid
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 7:24 pm
If I had to guess right now there's probably north of 200 that seem real to me. Iirc there's more than 90 that were assigned IDs for Lot Check, which suggests "they were at least starting the formal process to manufacture"
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I currently believe that a game is assigned the two character product code with some form of concept approval that doesn't require a game to actually exist yet, and a separate Lot Check code for manufacturing submission. I don't know if a build is required for the latter
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Exactly two people ran this department and neither will talk to me
7:27 pm
All I've gotten to are people who worked with them and all of them just kinda shrug and say "stuff just kinda came in sometimes," like it was a really informal process, but I'm guessing those two people would disagree
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ToastmanJack 14/5/2023 7:30 pm
intriguing stuff
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Frank Cifaldi 14/5/2023 8:33 pm
Ok current count for "Nintendo acknowledged this" titles is 160, take away working titles and alternate publishers and assumed errors it's currently 126
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You could whittle it down further a bit: I counted anything they evaluated internally for a third party, but I think it's likely some of those were literally just looking at a Famicom game with no solid plans of bringing it over. No real way to know, though. And a few of these were CES reports from Nintendo Power, which might not have the same scrutiny as games being listed in official directories etc
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Dylan Mansfield 15/5/2023 5:08 pm
The old adage goes, everything not saved will be lost... 💾 Today we are proud to announce a new @lostincult label/ethos. Introducing ENS We're dedicated to preserving video game culture, art & media through books, exhibits, events, archives, & beyond. More details soon...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/5/2023 5:14 pm
One of the first titles to fall under the ENS imprint will be the forthcoming A Handheld History 88-95, brought to you in partnership with @retro_dodo & @RetroModdingCom. Here's a sneak peek at our stylish logo, designed by the fantastic @Arkotypeco, in situ*. *mock-up only
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Dylan Mansfield 15/5/2023 5:18 pm
Oh hey I’m writing for this book
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Frank Cifaldi 15/5/2023 8:22 pm
430,000+ views! Okay, I made a decision. The work will be restored and archived. I cannot say anything more right now. Thank you for all the kind words (there were tears). And most importantly… I am open for work with any adventurous indie studios. :) https://t.co/94DYClylfA
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Frank Cifaldi 15/5/2023 8:29 pm
I hope this means something cool like Sony doing a product and paying him well but my fear is someone well meaning getting in over their head
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 16/5/2023 12:01 am
Not an unjustified fear
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Not us either
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Least Weasel 16/5/2023 4:30 pm
Wow. That is an extra $30
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/5/2023 7:54 pm
Bob Smith, a programmer for Atari and a co-founder of game developer Imagic, passed away on May 14, 2023.
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Phil Salvador 16/5/2023 8:22 pm
Starting later this year, we are updating our inactivity policy for Google Accounts to 2 years across our products.
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Starting later this year, if a Google Account has not been used or signed into for at least 2 years, we may delete the account and its contents – including content within Google Workspace (Gmail, Docs, Drive, Meet, Calendar), YouTube and Google Photos.
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Nic McConnell 16/5/2023 8:23 pm
Blurgh
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Www dot blog dot google
8:27 pm
Also gross
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Ah need to log into my JP account......
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good fucking lord...
9:00 pm
youtube especially...
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Phil Salvador 16/5/2023 9:05 pm
Okay apparently false alarm, Google has followed up with press and said they're not deleting Youtube accounts with uploaded videos
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But they're definitely clearing out all those accounts and files hosted on gdrive
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Phil Salvador
Okay apparently false alarm, Google has followed up with press and said they're not deleting Youtube accounts with uploaded videos
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/5/2023 10:57 pm
Could still be an issue for losing comments unfortunately
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Phil Salvador 16/5/2023 10:58 pm
Yeah, though they've already shown a willingness to nuke those at the drop of a hat (YouTube Kids) so that one's not as much of a surprise at least
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/5/2023 10:59 pm
True
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Jason Scott 17/5/2023 2:57 am
I had an interview with a newspaper about this
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And they pinged google and google came back with this
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So yeah, total screwup
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First time in Japan, and they really get me
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Wietse van Bruggen 17/5/2023 11:59 am
enjoy!
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Phil Salvador 17/5/2023 4:18 pm
"We know why you're here!"
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Jeremy Seith 17/5/2023 4:56 pm
nihon koku here. we. come.
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Ethan Whitted 17/5/2023 9:35 pm
Link verifying what everyone else said yesterday: https://twitter.com/YouTubeLiaison/status/1658829489466384387
Confirming we have no plans to delete accounts with YT videos! 🙏
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Oof, Embracer stock in Sweden dropped over 20% in 2 days after an adjusted EBIT forecast. They now indicate EBIT to hit SEK 6.35 billion for the fiscal year but previously forecasted a range of SEK 8.0-10.0 billion.
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Nic McConnell 18/5/2023 1:27 am
Woah, that’s significant. They haven’t been setting the world on fire this year but that’s a bigger missed forecast than i thought. What were their expectations for Saints Row?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/5/2023 2:03 am
Too high.
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i think the problem was that they built some 'transformative deals' into their FORWARD financials. (edited)
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and then they didn't happen
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so they were basically 'we're going to sign some really big deals before the end of the year but they didn't close yet... oh they missed the end of the year'
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Jason Scott 18/5/2023 2:55 am
How's the game museum going
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(they still have a multi-billion dollar capitalization tho)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/5/2023 4:03 am
I mean they collected a lot of games, the mission statement seems like it's going well for whatever that's worth.
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Collecting them is one thing. Making sure they can continue funding to hold onto them through challenging quarterly revenue reports is another. (edited)
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Hearing from sources at GameStop that the "Retro Trade Program will be going live effective in all Stores soon." -- retro game buying/selling is making a return.
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Oh, neat.
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I was actually surprised at the somewhat okay prices on their older games on their web store.
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Jason Scott 18/5/2023 4:00 pm
With 7 tapes left to do, 1999 GDC is almost done.
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I have uploaded all the ones I've basically finished, and will upload the rest and then fix the metadata, photograph the cassette labels, and add them.
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Disclaimer: Some of these are truly shittily recorded.
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Ethan Whitted 18/5/2023 4:56 pm
Hey say whaaat, that's pretty cool.
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I do typically like to support local game shops instead, though, so I have mixed feelings about this.
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They’ve done it before. If you like a lottery of poorly resurfaced games, bootlegs, and no case art it’s the product for you! and believe it or not I say this with no malice, they simply do not train anyone on how to do it so it’s a mess. not the employees’ fault
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I ran a lot of experiments last time they did it out of curiosity. 6/12 Pokémon games I ordered were bootlegs
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aw that's what I should have expected
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I remember seeing a lot of bootleg harvest moon games in the GBA case back in the day
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Guess I won that coin flip on a legit pokemon when I got firered from their onlien store
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yeah i figured quality control is a big issue there
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They’ve done it before. If you like a lottery of poorly resurfaced games, bootlegs, and no case art it’s the product for you! and believe it or not I say this with no malice, they simply do not train anyone on how to do it so it’s a mess. not the employees’ fault
Ethan Whitted 18/5/2023 5:15 pm
This would check out that why the DKC2 cart I bought from them years ago wouldn't get past the weird anti-piracy startup screen so I had to order a new one.
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It'd be nice if they just got into the business of buying/selling repros but just marking them as repros. Like, they could put a little stamp or something in an inconspicuous location on the cartridge.
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It'd be nice if they just got into the business of buying/selling repros but just marking them as repros. Like, they could put a little stamp or something in an inconspicuous location on the cartridge.
Eh, that seems like a nightmare for a major corporation that's still actively in a relationship with Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc.
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It'd be nice if they just got into the business of buying/selling repros but just marking them as repros. Like, they could put a little stamp or something in an inconspicuous location on the cartridge.
repros are just a nice way of saying illegal bootleg, they can’t do that unfortunately
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repros are just a nice way of saying illegal bootleg, they can’t do that unfortunately
Ethan Whitted 18/5/2023 5:23 pm
Lol I mean fair. Maybe if they made deals with the corporations to publish "GameStop repros" themselves, then.
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OK, but that would be a $70 prestige product aimed at a niche market, as opposed to someone risking $2-$8 of plastic to get a $30-$80 return from someone who doesn't know better.
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The technology section of this design museum has the PS1 as it's only video game console feature (edited)
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I think there are probably cooler boxes in terms of design if there is only going to be one, but I get it is incredibly identifiable.
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It is maybe a little silly considering all of the radio, TV and computer variants on display
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(also lacking a sick GRiD Compass)
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Which, design-wise feels like a combination of Sony and Dieter Rams in a lot of ways.
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Dylan Mansfield 19/5/2023 2:46 pm
I have a feeling the Lost in Cult people are doing this https://twitter.com/gunnwriter/status/1659471057919651840
I spent yesterday in the company of Jon and Eliza, the two wonderful directors of “Lost in Cult.” We chatted for hours about our favourite games and art/design. We also swerved into topics as diverse as “Cannibal Holocaust” AND Moomins! They’re creating exciting work to come.
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Frank Cifaldi 19/5/2023 3:04 pm
Oh great
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they seem fine, they have to navigate the whole Sony owning the rights if they wanna publish something tho
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(one would think?)
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publish something paid, i mean (edited)
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https://twitter.com/_MisterMiles_/status/1658393028741005312 If anyone has a hacked 3DS and a couple minutes, my friend would really appreciate the help ^^
Remember those SpotPass ads that would show up on your home menu sometimes? Apparently, it is still stored in your 3DS even if deleted at some point. I think it would be a good idea to preserve them, here's a guide if you want to dump it! https://t.co/leeN2P3QbF
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Admiral Curtiss 19/5/2023 8:44 pm
how do you actually extract stuff out of those files? it just looks like an encrypted blob to me
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Matt Clawson 19/5/2023 8:46 pm
try opening up one of those files in 7zip. sometimes when data is all garbled and jumbled it's just basic compression
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worst thing that happens is 7zip says it's corrupted. if you're really worried you can copy the file first and operate only on a copy
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if that fails, reverse engineering is often in order. there are many tools for studying programs' internal logic, even when compiled, in order to determine how they access data and parse it (making many assumptions here about your own knowledge level, hope i'm not offending with this very high-level synopsis) (edited)
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Admiral Curtiss 19/5/2023 8:49 pm
yeah i'm familiar with reverse-engineering, but since that person had the extracted images and text I assumed i wouldn't have to do it myself lol
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Matt Clawson 19/5/2023 8:50 pm
yeah hopefully they'd have some code up somewhere on github/elsewhere. haven't checked their timeline 👀 (edited)
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do you want me to ask him
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"I manually grabbed the contents of the files, there's no tool for this.. 😅"
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Admiral Curtiss 20/5/2023 12:34 am
okay... i think i see what happened, the file i checked didn't have any actual data in it so it just looked like nonsense (maybe it decrypted a section that is just empty in the encrypted part? not sure how the 3DS allocates its encrypted archives)
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if i check a different 3DS i get
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and the images look like... DDS, maybe?
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ah, i think that's just SMDH files in there...
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yes, in part anyway, the big banner is something else
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SoH
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Nate Lockhart 21/5/2023 4:25 am
And only Macs for computers, smh
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Nate Lockhart
And only Macs for computers, smh
Another museum had a children's entertainment over the years sort of thing. One section of it.. (edited)
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Nate Lockhart 21/5/2023 1:22 pm
Interesting choice to have the Electron there
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Kate Willært 21/5/2023 10:41 pm
The week I first heard the Namco Museum Of Art video series was finished, I downloaded all the vids because I figured the English channel would go down one day...I just expect it to happen so fast! So now you can watch here: https://t.co/tgl1CPZ1s9
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So many videos I've embedded disappear right quick and yet I consistently fail to download stuff
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 5:09 am
If I wanted to raise funds to pay a translator to translate something that’s too important to leave to machine translation, what do you figure would be the best way to go about it?
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Jason Scott 22/5/2023 5:24 am
How much material
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Least Weasel 22/5/2023 10:19 am
And what language?
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 12:02 pm
Japanese, 15,500 characters (11 page magazine article) (edited)
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Possibly the most important Nintendo-related article that’s currently untranslated
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 12:28 pm
I’ve used machine translation to read it, and it should be more widely available, but I wouldn’t want to see it published with scattered errors, it’s too important for that
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 1:17 pm
(Also, when I share things that weren't translated well, I sometimes get pro-level translators giving me crap for sharing things with errors, lol)
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 1:24 pm
(Which I think is justified...I'm not gonna name any names, but there are some enthusiastic amateurs in our community who should maybe be getting their work double-checked before publishing something widely that might introduce factual errors that various website or articles might end up repeating...it's one of the biggest annoyances of pro translators)
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 1:40 pm
(*I might name names if you DM me and I know you well enough. If I know you well enough I'll also tell you who the old guard gaming historian was who got kind of snippy at me accusing me of spreading misinfo about the Magnavox Odyssey / 2001 A Space Odyssey connection, cuz that's likely not who you thought it was)
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I use Alex at Shmuplations. He charges obviously but it’s worth it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/5/2023 3:24 pm
Brian Clark over at onemillionpower has done translations for me and Norm. And I think Cait over on GA has hired him on for pachinko translations (edited)
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also paid rates
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as far as raising funds I'd get an estimate from a translator, which in my experience they can give you after skimming the article, and then just crowdfund it on social media. If it's Nintendo related and you can give a broad gist of it that should not be a terribly difficult sell
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I use Alex at Shmuplations. He charges obviously but it’s worth it
Kate Willært 22/5/2023 3:34 pm
nods He would be one of my top picks if I crowdfund
3:35 pm
Yeah, I don't think this will be a difficult sell for crowdfunding at all, though I'm not sure whether I should do GoFundMe, Kickstarter, or what
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/5/2023 3:41 pm
It would be best if one of the preservation orgs fronted. GA could do it, we've done it before.
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Yeah we’re generally down to fund stuff like this too!
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 3:48 pm
Maybe if I wasn't already talking to translators about it...I don't mind plugging any orgs who contribute, but it'd feel weird for someone else to front what is me doing it
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psst everyone wish @Frank Cifaldi happy birthday
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 3:52 pm
Happy birthday!
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Happy birthday, Frank!! 🎂
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 22/5/2023 3:54 pm
merry cakethumb, Frank! 🎂 👍
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Happy birthday, Frank!
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Dylan Mansfield 22/5/2023 4:02 pm
Happy Franksgiving!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/5/2023 4:03 pm
Glorious Frankersday.
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https://kotaku.com/gamestop-meme-stock-gme-powerup-rewards-sales-coupon-1850460704 - hm, no more Game Informer in here, Brandon Sheffield points out
The meme stock gaming retailer’s membership program is getting some big changes
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that surely can't be good (for Game Informer)
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 4:27 pm
The digital magazine will still be available...but how long will that last? How many people bother to open the digital edition?
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I mean this in like, um, not as a joke or as an offense to the people behind it but
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I can’t imagine most copies of Game Informer are actually read.
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And i don’t think people were signing up to Power-Up Rewards for the Game Informer nowadays, right???? From a business standpoint it’s gotta be a miracle they’re still supporting it (edited)
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 4:37 pm
I was only ever a member for the magazine
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I posted that in #project_game_informer !
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 4:39 pm
But I'm the type of customer they don't want, because I don't buy pre-owned (and stopped buying most physical games starting with Switch)
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oops sorry kelsey
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Least Weasel 22/5/2023 6:51 pm
Happy Frankday!!!
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Jason Scott 22/5/2023 7:01 pm
OKAY FINALLY
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After (checks notes) on-off work across 2 months, I've digitized the entire 1999 GDC tape recordings I got sent to me years ago.
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92 goddamn tapes.
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Wow, congratulations! That's pretty exciting.
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Kate Willært 22/5/2023 7:23 pm
Nice
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Jason Scott 22/5/2023 7:26 pm
Just an unreasonable amount of data
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So, as discussed, these binders of tapes are going to the VGHF
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To be clear, it's not 5.2gb IN TOTAL, it's 5.2gb OF THE LAST BATCH
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Happy Birthday Frank!
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Happy Birthday Frank! 🎂🎁bubsy 🎉🎊
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Ethan Whitted 22/5/2023 8:16 pm
Happy birth! dizzytime
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Kate Willært
nods He would be one of my top picks if I crowdfund
I have also used Shmuplations Alex, well worth the cost, and the cost is reasonable in terms of general going rates for this stuff.
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RAM OK ROM OK 22/5/2023 10:51 pm
I barely remember to come to discord, so I can at least wish @Frank Cifaldi a happy birthday while I’m here!
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@Frank Cifaldi happy birthday
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Happy bubsy day. 🎉
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Frank Cifaldi 22/5/2023 11:26 pm
Hi thanks everyone!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/5/2023 11:36 pm
Happy birthday sir!
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Jason Scott 23/5/2023 12:10 am
Finally, years after simon hired me, 1999 GDC joins the fray.
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https://archive.org/details/1999_Game_Developers_Conference_Audio - it's got all 92 and will be done deriving tonight
michael 2
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Jeremy Seith 23/5/2023 12:21 am
you can bet your ass I'm gonna index those babies very slowly over the course of god knows how long
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Phil Salvador 23/5/2023 2:05 am
I did NOT expect this to get re-released https://store.steampowered.com/app/2318420/Glypha_Vintage/
A fast-paced, Egyptian-themed jousting tournament recalls 1980's classic arcade action.Glypha, the classic shareware game on the early Macintosh, now landed in the 21st Century ... but not too much. It still has that classic early Mac look, but 21st Century hardware acceleration, gameplay and feel. (The consensus seems to be that it is a wee bit...
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Oh wow.
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Glypha was actually my first encounter with Joust.
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i met him when i did glider for nes! he was at apple working on the preview app at the time
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Oh I had no idea Glider got an NES port
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I also only played that on my mac
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Pararena was the other one I wanted to do, would be a good powerglove game 🙂
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Phil Salvador 23/5/2023 3:42 am
Oh my god it would be
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Dylan Mansfield 23/5/2023 5:01 am
This is a previously never released video taken off of a development CRT showing an MK3 level that was left on the cutting room floor. It was an underground cavern level that we were doing initial testing on the graphic elements of. While I wasn't employed by Bally/Midway/Williams, Ed asked me as a friend to do some graphics for a level. Some surviving graphic work I contributed was the Galaxian style mini-game in MK3.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lostmedia/comments/13p727a/unreleased_media_mortal_kombat_3_never_before/
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Dylan Mansfield 23/5/2023 5:19 am
(in case anyone wants to see M. Bison in MK3)
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I spoke to @kelslewin, co-director if the @GameHistoryOrg, about rifling through boxes in people’s attics in search of video game treasure, preservation work that once helped Disney out of a tight spot when it came to re-releasing some lost titles: https://t.co/8cDWsnDD9R
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this is a really good podcast in general btw
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This was initially displayed on my screen as a picture of Kelsey with the text "MY PERFECT CON," which tbf, I'd listen to that podcast as well.
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I’m making a good face there for it to be about my perfect con
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it'd be some kind of bird-related heist
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Picked up a piece of Guitar Hero history today. A prototype ‘Death Magnetic Vee’ controller design originally slated for GH:Metallica’s release but never came to fruition. As far as I’m aware it’s the only one of its existence. Gonna do a Live go through/QA later on :)
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Jealous, want it
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Sweeeeeet
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retrohistories 26/5/2023 8:10 pm
no idea where this should go but I'm compelled to share it. "A cover of Jogeir Liljedahl's Guitar Slinger [Amiga tracker tune] in the form of a stop-motion music video where the cuts are controlled by the pattern data of the original MOD." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Adetxog28
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This is very good.
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(i was specifically an Amiga .MOD musician so always interested in this stuff)
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retrohistories 26/5/2023 8:15 pm
yeah I was about to cc you :)
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background and methodology stuff at the back end of the video
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It is with much disappointment that we have to announce that the Dolphin on Steam release has been indefinitely postponed. We were notified by Valve that Nintendo has issued a DMCA against Dolphin's Steam page, and have removed Dolphin from Steam until the matter is settled. We are currently investigating…
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Curious to see if this goes anywhere
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The GameCube & Wii emulator developers say the Steam release is "indefinitely postponed."
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I do wonder if it’ll turn out to not actually be Nintendo issuing it, that seems to have happened recently
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Phil Salvador 26/5/2023 11:55 pm
The specific's in Wes's story are interesting, it sounds like it's specifically about how Dolphin decrypts the keys for games
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But I feel like this is pretty cut-and-dry fair use, right?
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I would need to re-read it, but I wonder if our pal Bubsy and Sega v Accolade would apply
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the Dolphin emulator operates by incorporating these cryptographic keys without Nintendo’s authorization and decrypting the ROMs at or immediately before runtime.
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uh
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...this is true.
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The Wii Common Key is in the source.
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Which may or may not be illegal, maybe hah
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ahhh no, that's not good
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Phil Salvador 27/5/2023 4:40 am
I read over some of the specifics of Sony v Connectix and I can't picture a scenario where that's fair use but Dolphin isn't
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/5/2023 4:42 am
Depends on how it was reverse engineered ultimately.
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Jason Scott 27/5/2023 3:54 pm
Noclip realllly needs to mirror their new channel at the archive.
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Phil Salvador 27/5/2023 6:49 pm
To contextualize this so it doesn't look like I'm just "hell yeah pirating Windows": Windows XP has a ton of preservation/emulation uses but has been difficult to use in practice because online activation was shut down a few years ago
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Matt Clawson 27/5/2023 7:12 pm
I installed xp on period hardware a few months ago and was shocked it could still activate via the phone app. Glad to have this backup
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To contextualize this so it doesn't look like I'm just "hell yeah pirating Windows": Windows XP has a ton of preservation/emulation uses but has been difficult to use in practice because online activation was shut down a few years ago
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/5/2023 7:18 pm
I mean the former is fine too.
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Phil Salvador 27/5/2023 7:37 pm
Update: The creative director of SimCity 3000 has not seen Magnasanti before and sounds vaguely amused/bemused by it
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Admiral Curtiss 27/5/2023 8:51 pm
You may have seen or heard the news about @dolphin@dolphin-emu.org / Valve / Nintendo from a few hours ago. If not, read e.g. https://www.pcgamer.com/nintendo-sends-valve-dmca-notice-to-block-steam-release-of-wii-emulator-dolphin/ from the amazing @wes@mastodon.content.town. Unfortunately pretty much everyone has been getting the legal details ...
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That makes more sense anyway
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Phil Salvador 27/5/2023 9:28 pm
Yeah I'm guessing it comes down to, is reverse-engineering a key considered fair use for developing an emulator. I can't imagine how that isn't okay but reverse engineering a BIOS is (edited)
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Though I guess this is also about anti-circumvention tech rather than whether, eg. the Wii system software is copyrightable (edited)
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If it is actually about the encryption key, It seems like the DVD CSS situation is the best analog, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc._v._Bunner
DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. v. Bunner was a lawsuit that was filed by the DVD Copy Control Association ("DVD CCA") in California, accusing Andrew Bunner and several others of misappropriation of trade secrets under California's implementation of the Uniform Trade Secrets Act. The case went through several rounds of appeals and was last he...
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DeCSS is one of the first free computer programs capable of decrypting content on a commercially produced DVD video disc. Before the release of DeCSS, open source operating systems (such as BSD and Linux) could not play encrypted video DVDs. DeCSS's development was done without a license from the DVD Copy Control Association (CCA), the organiza...
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An illegal number is a number that represents information which is illegal to possess, utter, propagate, or otherwise transmit in some legal jurisdiction. Any piece of digital information is representable as a number; consequently, if communicating a specific set of information is illegal in some way, then the number may be illegal as well.
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Without access to Nintendo's letter though, it's hard to have any kind of interesting discussion. Maybe they just said they think it's infringing, without any specific claims, and that was good enough for Valve to take it down. Who knows.
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Fig, the crowdfunding and investment platform used for video games such as Psychonauts 2 and Homeworld, goes offline with all project pages on May 28th.
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In 2020, Fig was purchased by Republic, a platform through which users can invest in "startups, crypto, real estate, art, music, and more." Republic previously announced their intention to eventually close down Fig, but seemingly only confirmed the exact date for going offline this week. Ah, that loses the loop
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Thought it would be weird that DF would be caught unawares, didn't realise that it had a new owner
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republic are the folks who've been doing company funding for Digital Eclipse, Atari and Skybound recently
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so they moved from projects to companies
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Find vetted investment opportunities with Republic. Discover startups to invest in on a leading private investing platform.
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oh my god
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夢まつり会場で使われていた謎のスーファミ機材 何動いてたのか覚えてる方います? #ハドソン #キャラバン #夢まつり
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11:02 am
Finally
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An actual picture of a Game Processor
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The standalone SNES dev kit from Nintendo and Intelligent Systems (edited)
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it definitely uses the Game Processor RAM Cassette as well on the right
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Kate Willært 28/5/2023 10:41 pm
I think I might've found a trick to fix Google being so unusable lately. On the results page, click "Tools" on the right and where it says "All Results" change it to "Verbatim." See if that helps.
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Dylan Mansfield 28/5/2023 11:58 pm
correct me if I’m wrong, but is that not the same as adding quotation marks in your search?
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 12:09 am
Not anymore
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“Metroidvania” in quotes for example will also include “Castlevania”
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I saw an even stranger one the other day but now I’m blanking
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 12:34 am
Though I guess it's more when it starts to run out of results...I was searching "metroidvania" something something, and because I'd narrowed things so much it started including synonym'ed results I guess to pad things out
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/5/2023 12:38 am
Were you attempting to date restrict?
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 12:44 am
I can't remember
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/5/2023 1:32 am
That's just broken on Google. Wipes tons of valid results
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 1:51 am
Agreed, a constant annoyance
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OMG, I just found an extremely important tidbit of Nintendo history
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You all aren’t gonna be ready for this
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drewmackie4u 29/5/2023 1:52 am
Tell us
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 1:52 am
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19901216&slug=1109845
Bow ties also set Phillips apart when he appears at Nintendo promotional events all over the United States, meeting kids who treat him as a hero, memorize his published game tips, and follow his adventures in a cartoon panel called ``Howard & Nester.'' Kids know Phillips as the wizard of game playing. In Dallas, Phillips appeared at the Nintendo World Championship, a marketing event that took place in several of the largest U.S. cities and generated a bonanza of positive publicity. He racked up 531,465 points, while the officially declared winner scored only 420,000.
Such exposure has boosted Phillips in the ``Q Rating,'' the entertainment-industry measure of a person's familiarity and popularity with an audience. Phillips says he ranks above The Hulk, Pee-Wee Herman and Madonna and just below Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not bad for a guy who started with Nintendo nine years ago as a shipping clerk.
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The second paragraph
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Man the tablet version of Discord is not working with me tonight
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Nintendo actually paid to see what Howard’s Q-Score was? That is just so beyond hilarious to me
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But also, that he actually ranked
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drewmackie4u 29/5/2023 1:56 am
It’s true. I wasn’t ready for this.
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Imagining an alternate world that got a Howard Phillips vanity movie like No Holds Barred (edited)
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 1:58 am
To the public, Phillips is to Nintendo what Ronald is to McDonald's.
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I never even knew Howard was based on a real person until I was an adult…but I also didn’t have a sub to Nintendo Power in those early days
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drewmackie4u 29/5/2023 1:59 am
Random tidbit, but he is the father of my business partner
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I hear stories of Howie’s home life and it’s really weird to think she is talking about the Nintendo Power guy
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 2:00 am
You shouldn’t tell us that, you’ll start to get requests for questions to ask (edited)
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drewmackie4u 29/5/2023 2:00 am
He does not answer my questions
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Like, my video game site is part of the company and he is just kinda doing other stuff? I actually don’t really know what the situation is. But I can tell you what kind of sandwiches he likes.
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But if he’s home, I’ll be like “can you go to Howie and just ask this question?”
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Frank Cifaldi 29/5/2023 2:03 am
We might have the press kit with those ratings etc, this report stinks of the "Tour de Fun"
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 2:05 am
Please, if you have it that would be fantastic
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(And relevant to a paragraph I’m writing — not the Howard part of course) (edited)
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Kate Willært
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19901216&slug=1109845
Bow ties also set Phillips apart when he appears at Nintendo promotional events all over the United States, meeting kids who treat him as a hero, memorize his published game tips, and follow his adventures in a cartoon panel called ``Howard & Nester.'' Kids know Phillips as the wizard of game playing. In Dallas, Phillips appeared at the Nintendo World Championship, a marketing event that took place in several of the largest U.S. cities and generated a bonanza of positive publicity. He racked up 531,465 points, while the officially declared winner scored only 420,000.
Such exposure has boosted Phillips in the ``Q Rating,'' the entertainment-industry measure of a person's familiarity and popularity with an audience. Phillips says he ranks above The Hulk, Pee-Wee Herman and Madonna and just below Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not bad for a guy who started with Nintendo nine years ago as a shipping clerk.
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Ethan Whitted 29/5/2023 2:53 am
So what this is demanding is who would win: Howard Phillips or Reggie Fils-Aimé?
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 2:58 am
Depends on what sort of competition
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Frank Cifaldi 29/5/2023 3:12 am
Howard is definitely funnier
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 3:26 am
On the other hand, we eventually got SMB2JP but are still waiting on Mother 3.
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that's their 6th youtube channel!
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although some of them died pretty quickly e.g. https://www.youtube.com/@NoclipGameplayLibrary/videos
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This 1999 U.S. B2B ad for MultiRes, an Intel/Digimation project which scaled 3D model level of detail on the fly, shows off Valve's use of it in Team Fortress 2. [Scan via the VGHF Library.]
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people on twitter pointed out that this is incredbly early for team fortress 2 (which came out 8 years later)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/5/2023 1:56 pm
I did want to try and organize a no-watermark, no attribution-needed gameplay channel on Archive.
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i'm not surprised noclip couldn't continue it cos they have a lot of interviews/smaller projects to put up anyhow PLUS a podcast (plus this new channel!) (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/5/2023 2:11 pm
I mean as far as I understand that's literally just them posting the gameplay footage they got for editing their videos. No reason it can't continue.
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yep! just noting they have a lot of other stuff going on.
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Kate Willært 29/5/2023 2:19 pm
Team Fortress 2 was first shown at E3 1999, but delayed to move it to the Source engine...and then, obviously, it continued to change quite a bit during its long production https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRe9ABCpwuI
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/5/2023 2:27 pm
I would have liked to see the Battlefield-like version of TF2, but Battlefield does exist so.
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電玩玩味叢書 016 Acan特輯
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Video Game Fun Book 016 Acan Special Edition
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Super A'can
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Magazine
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But if he’s home, I’ll be like “can you go to Howie and just ask this question?”
Least Weasel 30/5/2023 2:04 am
That man and Bill Nye were the reason I used to wear bow ties at work
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drewmackie4u 30/5/2023 4:14 am
Weirdly enough, same business partner was also on Bill Nye during her child acting days. I wonder if she’s appreciated the bow tie connection…
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Today in tweets that I totally missed the entire time
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An image of MARIO BROS. sample for Nintendo GAME PROCESSOR from a copy of the flyer. (©1995 Nintendo)
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This list is up to date?
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Phil Salvador 30/5/2023 7:15 pm
I think some of the Fortnite ones have been discontinued, and the zine-ier ones are intermittent so it's hard to tell whether they're in print (eg., HyperPlay RPG hasn't published a new issue in a while)
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Walmart GameCenter, Wireframe, and OXM have ended (edited)
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For some of them it's harder to say, like we've since learned that Download is just one magazine that does issues themed to different games, so that might only count as one magazine
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Thanks
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Frank Cifaldi 30/5/2023 10:19 pm
Yeah pretty out of date unfortunately
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Official PlayStation is gone and replaced by Play
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LuigiBlood
Today in tweets that I totally missed the entire time
Phil Salvador 31/5/2023 2:53 am
Didn't reply to this earlier but this is really neat. Nintendo really does use everything
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Phil Salvador 31/5/2023 7:10 pm
Suit up, Super MAGFest is January 18-21, 2024. More info: https://t.co/PrgjbjdUBq
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I think this is the first time it's been any weekend other than the start of January since... 2016?
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Film collector Terry Burnett sadly died in February. @RichardLatto negotiated with his estate to save his film collection, which was safely moved to an archive today. Terry unwittingly had two missing Dr Who episodes (Galaxy 4 and Underwater Menace 2)....
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not game related, but archive related
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Most of the reels are unlabelled. Terry told Richard that around half of his collection was never catalogued. 😓 (edited)
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Matt Clawson 31/5/2023 9:13 pm
i moved ~20 months ago and my ~600pc LP collection is still in boxes because i told myself i wouldn't unpack them unless i also made sure that they were catalogued as i did it. I previously started a "Discogs" account and had approx 20% of the collection entered, unfortunately I wasn't consistent about it so there was no way to know for sure what was entered and what wasn't. I feel for Terry. (I did actually start the process this week, though) (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 31/5/2023 9:13 pm
realizing at this point, having a job where i'm tasked with identifying unlabeled media for cataloguing would in fact be my favorite job
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
realizing at this point, having a job where i'm tasked with identifying unlabeled media for cataloguing would in fact be my favorite job
I keep on hearing about how I un-catalogued the world’s archives are and yet not many job hirings to do just that 🤔 Maybe I’m just not looking in the right places though
9:21 pm
Or funding, it’s probably that
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 31/5/2023 9:21 pm
i mean, i would totally do that for 8 hours a day for as long as there is work to do
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unfortunately i guess "knowing where the hell your archived media is" isn't considered profitable
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Uh I kinda need to pause work and play/stream this immediately
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oh another osamu sato game?
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Phil Salvador 31/5/2023 9:51 pm
The last known one that was previously undumped
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looks absolutely insane
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Phil Salvador 31/5/2023 9:52 pm
Roly-Polys 1 surfaced a few years ago and it's pretty wild. The surviving trailers for 2 make it seem like it's gonna be like, an adventure game?
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lol at YouTube comment: 'I swear, these adult swim bumpers get longer every year.'
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Ohhhhh
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I'm not too familiar with Roly-Polys but I do love Osamu Sato stuff
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Or funding, it’s probably that
Jeremy Seith 31/5/2023 11:00 pm
it is funding.
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yeah...
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someone let me put a couch in the archives room and i can do it for free
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
realizing at this point, having a job where i'm tasked with identifying unlabeled media for cataloguing would in fact be my favorite job
yup
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
realizing at this point, having a job where i'm tasked with identifying unlabeled media for cataloguing would in fact be my favorite job
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for me it has the extra fun of looking at full dumps and looking at every sector
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and somewhat manage to restore leftovers of deleted stuff into working order
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sometimes by stitching together stuff
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Phil Salvador 31/5/2023 11:54 pm
It sounds like the most fun job when you have one thing to deal with
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and not when you get 10 additional things in the time it takes you to do 1 thing
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Well my focus is just Satellaview and 64DD
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so it's fun.
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that said I have... a constant accumulation of Satellaview things to release right now
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I got 25 things to release now lol
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mere hours ago it was 24
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lol (edited)
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The one more came from a dump that has 7 Mbits leftover of BS Zelda Map 2 Week 3
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...which we don't have
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but you can still make it playable and fill the missing part
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which I did
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(I also release untouched dumps for preservation)
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The video I made the other day was similar, recovering the sounds and music, plus the original Vegas project file, with putting it together with the video. Hard to beat
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By the way I have done a bit more research about the Game Processor
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Confirmed Staff for the Game Processor:
  • Nintendo Co. Ltd.:
Satoshi Yamato (Producer) Satoshi Nishiumi (Hardware Engineer?) Toshiaki Suzuki (Coordinator, Director) Takuji Hotta (Programmer) Kazuhiro Fujiwara Nobuhito Koganezawa (Programmer) Yuichi Ozaki (Sound) Toshiro Hibino
  • Intelligent Systems Co. Ltd.:
Toshiyuki Nakamura (Programmer) Makoto Kimizuka Go Matsuda (Instruction Manual Cover Artwork)
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Sourced from patents... and one case of a former employee having a homepage with a list of works
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i might have missed where this is documented. but is it known what the programming process was like?
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or are finer details like that still a bit murky
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The patent is supposed to explain it
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Basically an object has a bunch of states
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this seems to be it
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from google patents
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Yeah I have it already
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i wonder if it evolved into warioware diy
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yeah just posting for anyone reading
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 1:09 am
I need to replay WWDIY
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to compare
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 1:29 am
it is similar
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but the patent does say you can use BASIC
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but it seems to be a choice
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This direct input of game program language instructions, which are similar to BASIC instructions, is expected to be utilized by advanced, sophisticated game designers.
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That said
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The one thing that they talk about the most
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is how you can change how the game works AS it plays
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you're not happy with how it works as you play, you just pause the game and change the programming and unpause
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...which, in all honesty
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is kind of ahead of its time
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you can also edit outside of the game of course (edited)
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Phil Salvador 1/6/2023 1:59 am
Also hi @Hiccup welcome!
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Frank Cifaldi 1/6/2023 1:02 pm
Hi from Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, where there's water and fried cheese curds. I'm here evaluating a collection that may or may not be donated by the daughter of a deceased game executive. I don't want to go into details until it becomes real but I'll be documenting in case it is. Really excited to be digging in mystery boxes again, it's been over a year since the last time. Thanks to everyone @here for literally being the front line for the funding that makes expeditions like this possible, fingers crossed we find some good stuff.
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Kate Willært 1/6/2023 1:04 pm
Need a Carmen emoji for messages about traveling
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Wisconsin is a good place for cheese curds
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Matt Clawson 1/6/2023 1:21 pm
wow frank is that your breakfast. you might need to go back to sleep after that (looks awesome 😄 ) (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 1/6/2023 1:23 pm
That was our appetizer last night, I decided we needed to go native and that night one was Cheese Night and Amanda obliged. This was followed by a burger with two Wisconsin cheeses on it (that we split...)
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ToastmanJack 1/6/2023 1:30 pm
looks delish
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/6/2023 1:34 pm
Excited to hear what the collection is.
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Matt Clawson
wow frank is that your breakfast. you might need to go back to sleep after that (looks awesome 😄 ) (edited)
Life hack: put a fried egg on anything to turn it into breakfast
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DeppySlide 1/6/2023 1:59 pm
make sure to stop at a culvers
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Least Weasel 1/6/2023 2:32 pm
I'm still working on that guy with the Bonk press kit, Frank! Good luck and good hunting!
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 1/6/2023 3:09 pm
My extended family from Wisconsin always recommends getting proper squeaky cheese curds when folks visit. Have a great time and good luck finding stuff! (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/6/2023 3:31 pm
mmm, it's been ages since i had squeaky cheese (specifically the kind sold at the Tillamook cheese factory)
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say hi to minnesota for me on the way back!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
mmm, it's been ages since i had squeaky cheese (specifically the kind sold at the Tillamook cheese factory)
That's a fun road trip
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Last time I was there I bought that and a buncha fudge (edited)
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Phil Salvador 1/6/2023 5:02 pm
Testing
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whereintheworld
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Jason Scott 1/6/2023 7:19 pm
capitalism fuels innovation #art #nintendo #warriorcats #netflix #gaming #retrogaming #capitalism #politics
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Frank famous
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 7:59 pm
Hi, LuigiBlood here. I'm late. Very late. Happy Pride month, by the way! Since the last post in February of this year, a lot of things happened. Anytime I was getting a decent batch, it kept growing up, and delayed it even further. It became almost daunting to manage, especially after a certain anonymous benefactor
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VGHF has funded some money for the first dump 🙂
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Least Weasel 1/6/2023 8:38 pm
Also happy pride month
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Wrath month has been rescheduled to November 2024
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Back to the Dolphin thing from a couple days ago, looks like it is indeed about the encryption key. So the DVDCSS and similar stuff is relevant. I wasn't able to track down a ruling one way or the other on the issue, so I have no idea how it'll shake out if Nintendo wants to pursue it. Letter from Nintendo here: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/the-solid-legal-theory-behind-nintendos-new-emulator-takedown-effort/
Dolphin's included decryption key is key to Nintendo's DMCA arguments.
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As far as I could tell from reading Wikipedia (for what that's worth), no one actually took it to court, just sent C&Ds and similar.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/6/2023 9:07 pm
We'd know if they were in court.
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Back to the Dolphin thing from a couple days ago, looks like it is indeed about the encryption key. So the DVDCSS and similar stuff is relevant. I wasn't able to track down a ruling one way or the other on the issue, so I have no idea how it'll shake out if Nintendo wants to pursue it. Letter from Nintendo here: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/the-solid-legal-theory-behind-nintendos-new-emulator-takedown-effort/
LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:11 pm
I'm still not sure if it's about the key.
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In my not professional opinion, Nintendo has a pretty good case. I think it'll end up similar to PS1 BIOS where you have to get the illegal number somewhere else and slot it into Dolphin
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:11 pm
They took the key as a reason for granted
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except I'm thinking there's more to it
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Did you read the letter? 1st full paragraph on 2nd page is pretty explicit
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:13 pm
which page
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:14 pm
Nope I still don't think it's the main argument.
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You know what that law actually reads like
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17 U.S.C. §1201 (a)(3) As used in this subsection— (A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and (B) a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.
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For me, it's the entire decryption process
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I mean you can make the argument that Nintendo 's interpretation is wrong, but the letter makes it clear that it is about the key.
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:16 pm
they talk about the key because well, it's also a huge part of it
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but to me
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even if you sourced the key yourself from your console
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it's still illegal
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because of that paragraph
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Yeah, could be
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I think that's a much harder argument to hold up though.
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LuigiBlood 1/6/2023 9:19 pm
well
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Nintendo took down a tool that gets keys from a Switch
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...using the same law
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so of course, yes, keys are a factor
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but also like
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it's not everything
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
We'd know if they were in court.
Fwiw I meant the DVDCSS and similar media encryption keys, not the current stuff from Nintendo. See this page and especially the "See Also" section. I don't think the legality of distributing private keys has been established. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy
A controversy surrounding the AACS cryptographic key arose in April 2007 when the Motion Picture Association of America and the Advanced Access Content System Licensing Administrator, LLC (AACS LA) began issuing cease and desist letters to websites publishing a 128-bit (16-byte) number, represented in hexadecimal as 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41...
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Matt Clawson 1/6/2023 9:46 pm
2 Player 1 Controller Mega Man 6 right now at SGDQ 😄
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Terry Ross 1/6/2023 9:48 pm
oh shoot! thanks for reminding me SGDQ is happening
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here is roly polys i guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6R14VoviM
Ethan Whitted 1/6/2023 10:55 pm
What a trip
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion)
My extended family from Wisconsin always recommends getting proper squeaky cheese curds when folks visit. Have a great time and good luck finding stuff! (edited)
Kate Willært 1/6/2023 11:30 pm
I like living in MInnesota where that stuff is still pretty easy to find, and yet at the same time I don't allow it in my apartment or I will eat too much of it
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Phil Salvador 1/6/2023 11:53 pm
This is the first time I've heard about non-playable demos for SNES/SFC!
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Frank Cifaldi 2/6/2023 1:25 am
Super Smash Bros content on the SNES is so cool and weird
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LuigiBlood 2/6/2023 1:25 am
Actually at one point some magazines had Mother 3 N64 screenshots and info lol
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Or Tekken arcade stuff...
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as this was not necessarily limited to Nintendo
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Frank Cifaldi 2/6/2023 1:27 am
So cool
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LuigiBlood 2/6/2023 1:28 am
I kept more stuff for Part 2 because there's a lot of content that are tied to each other
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and especially content that are actually early
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like first few months of the service
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which is already rare enough
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LuigiBlood 2/6/2023 1:36 am
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I love Satellaview magazine music
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hm yeah, these magazines should maybe be looked through like traditional ones. for development info and stuff.
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didn't think about them like that before
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Satellaview stuff is so cool...
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Watching recordings of various things, I thought they were promo videos with commentary. My mind was blown when I found out the voiceovers were actually playing on the system as you were playing. (edited)
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i love the dog logo here, which i had forgotten about: https://twitter.com/GameHistoryOrg/status/1665018054080602112
SNK was really trying hard in this 1992 U.S. print ad for the 'only 24-bit home arcade system', the Neo Geo - 'bigger, badder, better'. [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/6/2023 8:19 pm
I have a shirt somewhere with that dog logo, it’s great
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Kate Willært
I like living in MInnesota where that stuff is still pretty easy to find, and yet at the same time I don't allow it in my apartment or I will eat too much of it
Ethan Whitted 5/6/2023 2:45 am
I have a friend who lives in Hillsdale, Michigan.
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It's a little over an hour away. He might be willing to do something to help, what is it?
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Kate Willært 5/6/2023 2:59 am
I’m gonna try Ask A Librarian first and see if I get denied
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Is "Mystery Tower" a thing on Nintendo's lotcheck docs?
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It's "The Tower of Babel" but with a different title screen
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this bothers me
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It is not in the spreadsheet.
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Frank Cifaldi 6/6/2023 1:15 am
It is not and it was never announced or featured in any lists from that time that I have seen, I think it's a new hack
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 1:16 am
This is a first then
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Nintendo has never done this kind of hack before
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Frank Cifaldi 6/6/2023 1:17 am
Yeah, I wonder if it's patched in at runtime though
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Which as you know they do
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 1:17 am
Well that's one thing I'll check
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Frank Cifaldi 6/6/2023 1:17 am
Yup, I know you will, I'm counting on it!
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 1:28 am
It's a hack done at runtime
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It still says Babel when I just run the NES ROM lol
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Apparently registered for trademark last year
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I had no idea they could do hacks at runtime.
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Frank Cifaldi 6/6/2023 2:17 am
Yeah they do this mostly to reduce flashing
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 2:17 am
Nintendo always has hacks at runtime
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however this is a first that they use it to actually change the title of a game
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 3:37 am
okay turns out they did hack the japanese title screen too
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...since Wii U VC
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They changed it from BABEL to The Tower of Babel in Japan
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so not as surprising somewhat but still
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Ah yeah, someone on Japan twitter was posting about that.
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The differences between the Namco Collection title screen and the Wii U/Switch ones. (edited)
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A long with different copyrights on the bottom
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『バベルの塔』のタイトルが「THE TOWER OF BABEL」に差し替わってて権利表記が「©1986 NAMCO LTD.」だ! 『ナムコットコレクション』収録版はタイトルが「THE TOWER~」に変更されててクレジットが「©1986 BNEI」だから今回のは別ロムだねー と、どうでも良い所が気になるおじさんw
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I really hate how off center it is in the collection hahaha
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Wii U
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You know what
11:17 am
...it's funny how the title screens even between Wii U and Switch are slightly different too lol
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the shadows lol
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/6/2023 2:38 pm
hmm. i don't see a difference there, is it a color palette thing making that stand out more
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Phil Salvador 6/6/2023 2:40 pm
Not gaming history, but I love this obituary and I want to know what the gaming version of this is. This guy was a middle executive at WB who pushed the envelope on film distribution strategy, to the point where the industry called him "the Dean of Distribution." That's a whole sub-world of the film business I know nothing about https://deadline.com/2023/06/barry-reardon-dead-warner-bros-distribution-executive-the-batman-the-fugitive-1235409027/
D. Barry Reardon, former longtime Warner Bros. President of Sales and Distribution, has died at 92. The exec known as “The Dean of Distribution” among industry peers and filmmakers pass…
2:41 pm
Like, I wanna hear about who was the most game company sales manager of the 2000s (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/6/2023 2:44 pm
Well @smith5031 has talked to a lot of those types of execs. He's got insight on stuff like why Activision was doing terribly through the 1980s, due to distribution.
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You could look at Larry Probst - President of EA after Trip Hawkins' departure - as a similar story. He was the guy who helped reshape the way EA did product to fit into the needs of a market, which started with him coming on to reshape their retail picture.
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And I just did two podcast episodes on how the Atari collapse was almost entirely a distribution fiasco.
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Based in large part on interviews with multiple sales people and division presidents. (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/6/2023 3:31 pm
There is this one guy who I learned about by happenstance some years back - Al Nilsen, VP of Marketing for Sega of America (and later, Viacom New Media). https://www.mobygames.com/person/116382/al-nilsen/
Game credits, biography, portraits and related sites for Al Nilsen - MobyGames
3:32 pm
he has very few actual game credits but that's because he didn't really do work on the games themselves
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/6/2023 3:32 pm
The sales and marketing guy for the Channel F was an eye opener for me
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DeppySlide 6/6/2023 3:32 pm
hes a big player in Console Wars iirc
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/6/2023 3:32 pm
He explained so much about what went wrong in Fairchild
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DeppySlide 6/6/2023 3:32 pm
@Nilsen
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
he has very few actual game credits but that's because he didn't really do work on the games themselves
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/6/2023 3:34 pm
That's a case for many of these guys, especially before the late 2000s. You can find their names because they're usually the first line on representing games/companies - yet more reason why the games themselves are not the be-all of the history.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/6/2023 3:38 pm
yeah - hell the reason i even learned about him in the first place was an EGM rumor column from 1994 brought him up when he was moving to viacom, and referred to him as "Uncle Al"
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Nintendo always has hacks at runtime
well for Wii VC they did actual rom hacks i think
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for some stuff
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LuigiBlood 6/6/2023 4:46 pm
what kind
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if it's just random fixes and anti epilepsy, that's not really new
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I know about Excitebike though
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where they added SRAM for course save and load
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yeah mostly just anti-epilepsy, although wouldn't be surprised if there were more exceptions
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Least Weasel 6/6/2023 4:56 pm
I'm excited about Kirby tilt n tumble, not gonna lie
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Phil Salvador
Not gaming history, but I love this obituary and I want to know what the gaming version of this is. This guy was a middle executive at WB who pushed the envelope on film distribution strategy, to the point where the industry called him "the Dean of Distribution." That's a whole sub-world of the film business I know nothing about https://deadline.com/2023/06/barry-reardon-dead-warner-bros-distribution-executive-the-batman-the-fugitive-1235409027/
Frank Cifaldi 6/6/2023 5:05 pm
Only mildly related but it reminds me of when Jack Friedman died and I wrote a quick obituary on 1up.com. He basically founded the same company three times: LJN, THQ and Jakks Pacific, all three were inherently toy companies that licensed IPs and just kinda included video games amongst their product lines. It made me think about how he wasn't a "video game guy," he was a toy guy, and how that pretty much extended to his companies too (at least when he ran them)
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Related I guess in the sense that I think most of us default to talking to the people who talk video games
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Phil Salvador 6/6/2023 5:56 pm
Yeah that's good too!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/6/2023 5:59 pm
The backgrounds of people who found/run video game companies really reveals a lot about the companies once you look at it critically. Of course now we have serial video game folks, but once upon a time there was nowhere for those people to have come from except outside.
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Oh that's pretty neat about LJN to THQ to Jakks Pacific (great Sonic toys).
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
The backgrounds of people who found/run video game companies really reveals a lot about the companies once you look at it critically. Of course now we have serial video game folks, but once upon a time there was nowhere for those people to have come from except outside.
Yeah, and the background of the companies themselves sometimes as well. I have said this a few times on my podcast, but of the four leading console companies active after the crash, Nintendo was a toy company, Sega was a coin-op manufacturer, Sony was a consumer electronics company, and Microsoft was a software company. The DNA of each of those companies explains a whole lot about their differing approaches to the console market.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/6/2023 9:44 pm
The Library of Congress is sponsoring a challenge to help improve public knowledge of civics by asking video game developers to create fun, lightweight video games related to civics that incorporate Library of Congress resources. Learn more here: https://t.co/7y8Os6v57L
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As Galloping Ghost expanded its reach – from videogame production studio to videogame arcade to martial arts gym to pinball arcade to auto repair garage – founder and president Doc Mack leased commercial space after commercial space from Steven Campbell.
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google news very randomly served me this
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Do they have heirs/family/partners that are involved currently? That's a lot of investment in a passion project if driven by only a small number of people.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 5:23 am
Doc Mack has a bunch of businesses called Galloping Ghost something or another
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The arcade, the pinball arcade, the restoration business, the auto shop, the martial arts studio
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He could be planning expansions or just to have more shit he’s interested in
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Oh actually reading the article he just bought up the properties he’d been leasing and some parking lots
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i do wonder where they got $ from but i guess they might just be mortgaged up
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 2:13 pm
probably
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though I kinda figure Mack started with some money to have gotten into arcade collecting, even back in the 00s
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Frank Cifaldi 7/6/2023 2:14 pm
I'm pretty sure Doc just has money from something else but maybe I'm wrong? All of his businesses have a "money is no object" feel to me
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 2:14 pm
the machines may have been cheaper back then but space for them sure wasn't
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Frank Cifaldi 7/6/2023 2:14 pm
His game dev studio has been working on this game for what, eight years now? Ten?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 2:15 pm
the Ghost business model seems to have been successful so I'm guessing that helps fund that boondoggle
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the auto shop and martial arts studio just kinda strike me as "well he's probably into martial arts and is a gearhead"
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also, as my friend Brian pointed out when I visited a couple weeks ago, Brookfield doesn't really have any draws other than the zoo so property is probably not too expensive to lease compared to the rest of the chicago area
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Frank Cifaldi
His game dev studio has been working on this game for what, eight years now? Ten?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 2:26 pm
They claim 28 or something? I was on a stream to help promote the documentary on it.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 3:02 pm
I think he's been wanting to do it for 28 years but that'd be like, Battle of the Eras territory
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 3:03 pm
They claim it's "the longest development that's ever been publicized". I don't think that's true but I ain't no expert on this project. (edited)
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I swear there used to be a wikipedia page on this subject, but all I'm getting now are listicles.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 4:05 pm
This was the game that was on my mind as one that would beat it, but it depends deeply on definitions of what "development" is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnReal_World
UnReal World is a roguelike survival freeware (shareware before 2013) video game set in a fictionalisation of Iron Age Finland. The game was first released in 1992 and continues to receive regular updates as of 2022. The game was released on Steam on 26 February 2016.
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But then again you could argue that Rogue is still being developed. Or Adventure.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 4:09 pm
I don't think dark presence was seriously being developed until like 2010 or thereabouts unless he was literally trying to BERAS his own fighter as a teenager
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Yeah, Nethack has had regular updates and a new version just released a couple months ago.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 4:10 pm
and even then the gap between those attempts should hardly count
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
This was the game that was on my mind as one that would beat it, but it depends deeply on definitions of what "development" is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnReal_World
Also funny how these things bubble up. I hadn't thought about this game for YEARS and then suddenly a couple months ago:
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
and even then the gap between those attempts should hardly count
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 4:22 pm
Right. I don't think DNF shoudl be counted as a continuous development either. The final version has basically no shared assets or code.
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That cover art is deceptive
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Especially with it called UnReal
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The mid-aughts digital camera portraits and scenes is like 70% of the appeal imo
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Also a game I strongly associate with a certain era of SA forums.
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And not even LPs specifically, but more like here is a thread with 900 pages that spans 11 years, good luck
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Especially with it called UnReal
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 4:43 pm
To be fair it does predate the FPS.
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A rant for those who like them (nobody but the ranter) https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1666484263703781379
What is the video game with the longest development time? If you ask the people making Ghostlord and the Quest for Dark Presence, it's the titular Dark Presence, starting development in 1995. But the question is: What constitutes active work on a game?
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I suppose you could make two pretty broad categories. First being games that are active commercial endeavors with the likes of some amount of development effort collecting paychecks, progress of project aside.
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And the other being the more non-commercial, or hobby, space that may ebb and flow.
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Just that one of these is a little easier to "do nothing" on for a long stretch of time then the other, since presumably someone writing checks is going to want... some sort of status?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 4:51 pm
We must count by confirmed development hours
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Reminds me of Phil Tippett working on Mad God for 30 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_God (edited)
Mad God is a 2021 American stop-motion adult animated experimental horror film written, produced, and directed by Phil Tippett. Completed in 2021, the film was produced over a period of thirty years.Mad God had its world premiere at the Locarno Festival on August 5, 2021, and was released in the United States on June 16, 2022 by Shudder.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 5:13 pm
This is a list of films shot over three or more years. The list excludes projects comprising individual films not shot over a long period, such as the Up series, The Children of Golzow, or the Harry Potter series. The Other Side of the Wind holds the record for a movie to be in production for the longest time: it was in production stage for 48 y...
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We sit down with author @TheWONBook to take a look at his new The World of Nintendo Book, a visual history of Nintendo merchandising in the 80's & 90's. What made Nintendo staff just do it better? Who made these decisions and were they right? Find out: https://t.co/0iAycmNqEe
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 5:18 pm
I recently learned that Atari was actually trying to do a "World of Atari" concept in 1983. They both must share some kind of similar origin for the name at least.
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I believe the World's Fairs had various "World of ..." exhibits, though I wouldn't be surprised if the term spans much further back.
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Suprisingly difficult term to generic search for because World of Warcrafts, and the likes, SEO dominance. (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 7/6/2023 5:33 pm
And there's DNA shared between Atari and Nintendo: Worlds of Wonder
5:35 pm
Maybe just a subconscious lift but hard to ignore for me
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Frank Cifaldi
And there's DNA shared between Atari and Nintendo: Worlds of Wonder
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 5:42 pm
True, though its wasn't those guys who came up with WoN.
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Ahh I want that WoN book
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The WoN book is really fun to browse though. I’ve enjoyed it so far, excited to listen to the show.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I recently learned that Atari was actually trying to do a "World of Atari" concept in 1983. They both must share some kind of similar origin for the name at least.
Corwin "weasel" Brence 7/6/2023 6:15 pm
remembering this exhibit from PRGE 2017
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 6:18 pm
That's different, but yeah that's an early in-store display. (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 7/6/2023 6:18 pm
yeah i'm kinda just imagining what could have been
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/6/2023 6:18 pm
I have an article on it.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 7/6/2023 6:18 pm
i just know i'd have been way into this thing if i were alive at the time
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/6/2023 6:26 pm
get one of those and fill it entirely with Apollo carts
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@LuigiBlood seems like the the Tower of Babel ROM (CLV-P-NAHRE.nes) doesn't match existing dumps
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 4:25 pm
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Densha de densha de densha de go Go GO!
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 5:02 pm
So, while I was being interviewed we were discussing about some of the basic history and then the more deep history. I suggested that a rough cut be sent as a sanity check among three people here
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And that would be Kate Simon and Frank
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Apparently Kate is up in this so that's good
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Jason Scott
So, while I was being interviewed we were discussing about some of the basic history and then the more deep history. I suggested that a rough cut be sent as a sanity check among three people here
Kate Willært 8/6/2023 5:21 pm
Rough cut of what?
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 5:31 pm
Arcade documentary
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Jason Scott
Arcade documentary
Kate Willært 8/6/2023 5:53 pm
Oh, are you talking about the Arcade Dreams doc?
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 6:23 pm
Yes
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Densha de densha de densha de go Go GO!
DarkSol 8/6/2023 7:24 pm
man... there was a tweet either last year or the year before of a Densha de GO!! machine in the US... (and was apparently localized, i think)... I would do almost anything to buy that machine from Taito America. (edited)
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I've really enjoyed Hashiro Yamanote-sen on the switch
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Been so tempted to get the controller for it.
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DarkSol 8/6/2023 7:25 pm
Yeah... I've been wanting to get the TV plug-in one...
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And the Switch version is definitely calling my name. lol
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/6/2023 7:32 pm
yeah, I believe they location tested an English Densha de Go at a Round One
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DarkSol 8/6/2023 7:40 pm
like i said... id do anything for that machine lol
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 8:46 pm
I got interviewed for Arcade Dreams yesterday, and I mentioned how there's a very strong chance to get some of the "game crash" and "first form" stuff very wrong, or at least make a standard "said many times before, inaccurately" and it would be wise to show the three of you a rough cut.
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So when he gets to that point, just a quick sanity check where you go "Yeah, don't call it , it was never _"
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@LuigiBlood seems like the the Tower of Babel ROM (CLV-P-NAHRE.nes) doesn't match existing dumps
LuigiBlood 8/6/2023 9:03 pm
you sure it's not a iNES header difference?
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yeah
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although i'm just forwarding info from someone who checked it
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haven't double checked it myself
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LuigiBlood 8/6/2023 9:10 pm
gimme a sec
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okay so for some reason
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there's an extra 00 byte at the end of the english Mystery Tower ROM
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...but that's it
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LuigiBlood 8/6/2023 9:13 pm
there's that and the header being different
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that's it
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the data is 1:1
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looks like that person didn't check that carefully
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lotcheck had those sorts of differences sometimes too
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for some reason
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Jason Scott
I got interviewed for Arcade Dreams yesterday, and I mentioned how there's a very strong chance to get some of the "game crash" and "first form" stuff very wrong, or at least make a standard "said many times before, inaccurately" and it would be wise to show the three of you a rough cut.
Kate Willært 8/6/2023 11:25 pm
@Ethan Johnson (Play History) has also been heavily involved on the research-side of the project, which bodes well for accuracy
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/6/2023 11:29 pm
I mean if they actually talk to me again.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I mean if they actually talk to me again.
Kate Willært 8/6/2023 11:30 pm
Oh, things have gone quiet for you? I haven't been in contact for a long while either
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/6/2023 11:31 pm
They post on their Facebook page for staff but I have no idea what state the project is in.
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 11:44 pm
Ha ha. Bitter more
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I mean, you know it's just zach grinding himself to a nub
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I have zero patience for people going "chop chop"
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Kate Willært 8/6/2023 11:45 pm
Yeah I figure it'll be ready when its ready
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Jason Scott 8/6/2023 11:45 pm
I simply was giving a heads up about passing along rough cut view to a few people whose opinion and skill I trust
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/6/2023 11:46 pm
Well I am officially part of the team, I expect to at least know how things are going.
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I haven't seen the rough cuts. He's posted them for the crowfunders, but I've only seen the demo stuff.
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Jason Scott 9/6/2023 1:39 am
I'm sure you'll see it.
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Jason Scott 9/6/2023 2:55 am
Attached: 4 images I was interviewed by Zach Weddington of the Arcade Dreams documentary - the people I gave the ARCADEDOCUMENTARY.COM domain name to because they're doing it really well. I did my interview at Save Point Arcade in Union Bridge, MD, where Eric and Stephanie and the whole gang behind them are doing an amazing bunch of work with ...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/6/2023 2:40 pm
I didn't know this little arcade was there, will have to check it out
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Nate Lockhart 9/6/2023 4:05 pm
Looks like a fun place!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I didn't know this little arcade was there, will have to check it out
Phil Salvador 9/6/2023 4:07 pm
Me neither!
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Matt Clawson 9/6/2023 4:43 pm
wow... i'm shocked that they're able to run an arcade like that in what looks to be a pretty small town.
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i have family in York and Lancaster, PA.... not too far from there. might have to make a trip out. (edited)
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there's a theater in my town that's been up for Lease for a few years now (pandemic took it out). when i'm feeling really burnt out at work i dream about opening it back up with arcade games in the lobby. the teens around here have so little to do. (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/6/2023 4:56 pm
based on the last photo I think it's combined with a game store?
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Jason Scott 9/6/2023 6:04 pm
They make the most money as renting out games for cons
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Phil Salvador 9/6/2023 6:05 pm
Oh yeah I forgot they do stuff with MAGFest, I didn't realize that was MD local
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Jason Scott 9/6/2023 6:05 pm
And tons of furrycons
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Least Weasel 10/6/2023 9:59 pm
I've thought about trying to get that fur-money
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/6/2023 11:55 pm
you'd be a braver weasel than I
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Least Weasel 10/6/2023 11:58 pm
Those digitigrade legs... It's not that much different from armor, or a polio brace. The problem is finding a buyer.
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retrohistories 11/6/2023 9:05 am
I made the mistake of pulling on an innocuous-looking thread and arrrgh how do I put the dragons back in
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tried to verify this simple, and widely repeated, statement: (edited)
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Sega arranged for Ulala to present the Best Dance Video award at the 2000 MTV VMAs.
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Attached: 1 image Okay, #Dreamcast crew. I need your help. I think someone is wrong on the internet. (Boosts appreciated!) This sentence caught my eye in Wikipedia: to promote Space Channel 5, Sega arranged for Ulala to make virtual appearances at the MTV Video Music Awards in 2000 and 2006, both times presenting the award for Best Dance Video...
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the quick summary is that there are press releases saying it will happen, broadcast video of the event that shows it didn't, and there's an interview with the president of Sega of America three months later where he says it did.
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Phil Salvador 11/6/2023 1:20 pm
I could imagine that it fell through for some reason, but the president just remembered "yeah we did a marketing deal to do this thing"
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retrohistories 11/6/2023 4:12 pm
that's probably it.
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Wasn't there a few Ulala hosted segments of MTV News?
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Oh, no, just a pilot
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that must be what I was remembering
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Oh, and there's unlikely connective crossover
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@JamesPopStar Man!! I remember watching the stupid mtv awards that year just to see Ulala and then they pulled her at the last second! Frustrating because they never said anything until after the fact
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I've known Persona for 15 years, and if anyone has a photographic memory of SEGA ephemora, it's him.
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retrohistories 11/6/2023 5:25 pm
SpriteCell checked the preshow, ads, the 2001 show and the movie awards, nada in any of them.
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and despite a ton of signal boosting and replies on Mastodon, not one person who remembers seeing it.
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think we can say for sure it never happened, for reasons unknown. which is a problem, because it's propagated widely
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Kate Willært 11/6/2023 9:48 pm
I was posting my random thoughts on GA when I found the solution, reposting here so you aren't all kept hanging:
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https://dvd-fever.co.uk/news0800/
Sega sponsors MTV video music awards… Sega SPONSORS MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS; Gaming COMPANY TO INTRODUCE SEGANET and new ad campaign TO 22 MILLION VIEWERS Sega’s Newest Brand Icon to Appear in Shows Promotionsss San Francisco – Sega of America today announced their second consecutive commitment to be a title sponsor for the MTV Video Music Awards and will launch a new ad campaign to support SegaNet, the only high-speed online gaming network and ISP service. The VMAs, which air live on September 7, 2000, will mark Sega’s kick-off multi-million marketing and advertising campaign to support this unprecedented online gaming service. In addition, Ulala, the dancing sensation from the hit Sega game “Space Channel 5”, will be presenting the best dance video category in 50 spots that will air from now until September 7, 2000. “We introduced Dreamcast last year during the VMAs, which became the most successful product launch in entertainment retail history,” says Joe Culley, vice president of marketing for Sega of America. “This year we’ll use this show to introduce an audience of 22 million to SegaNet, a gaming network that is going to redefine the industry. We’re delivering on our promise to take video gaming to the next level, which is through online game play.” The SegaNet advertising campaign is designed to appeal to the competitive nature of gamers who can now play opponents across the street or across the country through the Internet. Sega will debut one 60-second spot and two 30-second spots during the broadcast. In addition, Ulala, the dancing sensation from the popular Sega game “Space Channel 5” will promote the show by introducing the best dance video category in 50 spots featuring “Gomi’s Lair Remix”, the hit single from the Tommy Boy Silver Label: Space Channel 5 Mexican Flyer CD.
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So she wasn't presenting the award during the show, she was presenting the category during TV spots promoting the show
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I'm gonna leave it up to someone else to try to find the commercial tho 😉
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Here's an example of the weird category-specific spots they were doing, this one for Best New Artist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPukJdIx-Ek
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that is indeed confusing
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'presenting'
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ah, I was wondering if it would be something like that too. Impossible to tell if my "MTYV Ulala" memory was seeing an Ulala commercial bumper, or that news pilot showing up on a weekly stream of collected eclectic video that I used to watch with people I knew.
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ah, I was wondering if it would be something like that too. Impossible to tell if my "MTYV Ulala" memory was seeing an Ulala commercial bumper, or that news pilot showing up on a weekly stream of collected eclectic video that I used to watch with people I knew.
Kate Willært 12/6/2023 12:01 am
There was also a Space Channel 5 commercial that was airing on MTV
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What's your memory? Or too hazy to be specific?
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Just Ulala on something MTV branded.
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Kate Willært 12/6/2023 12:05 am
Ah
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Dylan Mansfield 12/6/2023 2:13 am
Capcom Town has a previously unseen Mega Man 1 design document!! https://t.co/keXgkNSVDf
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retrohistories 12/6/2023 12:36 pm
posted a followup thread with Kate's incredible detective work, and how she picked up on something the games press missed, and seemingly nobody noticed in 23 years: https://digipres.club/@retrohistories/110531201100448502 (edited)
Attached: 1 image Yesterday, I tried to get to the bottom of Ulala’s presentation of an MTV VMA in 2000, as Wikipedia claims. (OG thread: https://digipres.club/@retrohistories/110524661032490561) I asked for help; you boosted the hell out of it. Thanks! No-one recalled seeing Ulala in the show, recordings show she wasn’t there, there’s contemp...
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posted a followup thread with Kate's incredible detective work, and how she picked up on something the games press missed, and seemingly nobody noticed in 23 years: https://digipres.club/@retrohistories/110531201100448502 (edited)
I was just hearing about Kelly Preston on an episode of Tales from the Crypt and thinking "surely not that Kelly Preston" (edited)
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Same vibe here
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Must be fun to make people rewrite historical texts
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And I mean actually fun in that "oh this is different from what everyone wrote" sense of discovery
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I was just hearing about Kelly Preston on an episode of Tales from the Crypt and thinking "surely not that Kelly Preston" (edited)
Kate Willært 12/6/2023 9:44 pm
@ronheck @katewillaert @retrohistories That is because Preston was a misprint from the November 2000 issue of the Dreamcast Magazine
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oh man
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Capcom is using Ares for their site.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 2:10 am
New initiative from Hit Save https://hitsave.org/preserve-games/
Hey there, fellow internet enthusiasts! We have some fun news to share with you today. As you might be aware, Reddit is having some issues right now. I'm not going to dive into those, but it's one of the reasons we're doing this. Preserve.Games Today we're announcing Preserve.Games,
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Embracer Group has close to 17,000 employees over more than 100 studios, many of which were acquired over the past few years
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Embracer Games Archive has surely gotta be one of the things cut right?
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hope limited run doesn't get the axe
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hope limited run doesn't get the axe
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:05 pm
I mean... I sure hope not.
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I could absolutely see layoffs there but afaik they’re a profitable company, so I’d really hope not!
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I guess “profitable” and “line goes up for investors every single quarter” are two different things though
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:09 pm
Yeah. The endless march of market capitalism.
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limited run is standalone and revenue generating regularly so should be fairly fine i would think.
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there are a lot of wholly owned dev studios with unannounced games that are in more jeopardy, i'm sure
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thats true, its an awful situation
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i wrote about embracer in my newsletter back in 2020 - https://newsletter.gamediscover.co/p/opinion-game-company-acquisitions - and said "under the hood, there’s some extremely complex amortization of game projects and even some IP valuation and amortization. But overall, it seems like ‘paying companies with our shares and issuing new shares’ - with some debt borrowing - is the chief funder of big new acquisitions at Embracer and likely all of these Swedish public game companies"
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so to some extent they were taking advantage of a low-interest environment and lots of enthusiasm about tech/game stocks to buy everybody in sight. but then when we moved to a high-interest environment, you need to transition to be (more) profitable, and that's where they ran into trouble, i guess. (edited)
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i guess there are def. non-profitable companies that still have a good valuation (e.g. roblox) so it's a little complicated.
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as my partner likes to put it, “anyone can be a big business genius when the interest rates are 0%”
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:25 pm
I can't imagine they didn't see this as a possibility. But like all the other conglomerates, they're just trying to own as much IP as possible and it doesn't really matter whether the current studios can exploit them. I don't think that's as necessarily grim as it seems, but like wide-spanning conglomerates in the 50s and 60s it's just a new strategy that everyone is trying. (edited)
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i guess there are def. non-profitable companies that still have a good valuation (e.g. roblox) so it's a little complicated.
I often think it's a matter of scope. Like man, the list of subsidiaries for Embracer is really staggering. They have 131 internal game development groups according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embracer_Group#Subsidiaries
Embracer Group AB (formerly Nordic Games Licensing AB and THQ Nordic AB) is a Swedish video game and media holding company based in Karlstad. As of August 2022, Embracer Group has twelve operative groups as its direct subsidiaries: Amplifier Game Invest, Asmodee, CDE Entertainment, Coffee Stain Holding, Dark Horse Media, DECA Games, Easybrain, E...
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Whereas companies like Roblox, Spotify, I think they could probably be more profitable if they wanted, but they're still more in "grow" mode. (It's not like Amazon isn't still in "grow" mode, it's just that they're making so much they can't spend it all.)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:35 pm
Holy god they bought Dark Horse.
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Frank Cifaldi 13/6/2023 4:40 pm
I didn't know Dark Horse had IP, all the comics I remember were licensed or creator-owned
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:42 pm
They own... Turok, right?
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Frank Cifaldi 13/6/2023 4:42 pm
Idk, but back in the day that was Valiant, so bought by Acclaim
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 4:42 pm
Oh no wrong company.
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Bad me.
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Frank Cifaldi 13/6/2023 4:43 pm
Valiant which ironically started with Nintendo comics
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They bought asmodee which was a smart play in terms of consolidation. They just had a $2B acquisition fall apart and their stock price shows what that looks like
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Least Weasel 13/6/2023 4:56 pm
So, I guess let me know if Press Run does a going out of business sale
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 4:59 pm
I would sure hope not given that a decent chunk of their authors are here
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 5:00 pm
I'd like to get paid!
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Least Weasel 13/6/2023 5:00 pm
I'm sorry. That's in incredibly poor taste
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Apologies all around. I'm in a sour mood today from work
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Nic McConnell 13/6/2023 6:11 pm
This is a basic question i guess, but what was the ultimate goal for Embracer? Just “grow really big”? They picked up a lot of awesome companies (eg LRG) but I never got a great sense of their overall vision
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Regardless, I’m upset about this and feel for everyone impacted. Wish i could help
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To be All Embracing
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Big fans of Galactus and Unicron, but for business.
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Nic McConnell 13/6/2023 6:15 pm
I guess it is in the name
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Man i hate consolidation
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It does suck!
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This is a basic question i guess, but what was the ultimate goal for Embracer? Just “grow really big”? They picked up a lot of awesome companies (eg LRG) but I never got a great sense of their overall vision
From the very first time I heard about them the goal of their company seemed to be "what can we get away with during 0% interest rates". Continues to disappoint me how often people will give these magic bean salesmen the time of day.
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DarkSol 13/6/2023 6:25 pm
I know LRG is well regarded in here, but I've seen criticism of them online here and there... is there any weight behind those criticisms or is it just people angry because they can be?
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"Sure it was a ruse every previous time, but what if they're really magic this time?"
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I know LRG is well regarded in here, but I've seen criticism of them online here and there... is there any weight behind those criticisms or is it just people angry because they can be?
They offer a boutique collectable item. That's all they do.
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The two main LRG critiques are “their stuff can sometimes take forever to ship”, including weird situations where like, a vinyl being a month behind schedule can hold an entire order hostage for a month, and “they fired a transphobe”
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I think its just people complaining about pre-orders taking too long
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 6:27 pm
I do think some of their things take longer to ship than they should but I also get it
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DarkSol 13/6/2023 6:27 pm
i mean, the former critique can't be nearly as bad as iam8bit's shipping times... and the second... im glad they fired a transphobe. 🙂
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I've seen people get a little huffy at their advertising lines about how their physical releases are "preservation", but that's not any big sin. That's just normal marketing puff.
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yeah I think the first critique is fair even if I don’t personally mind. The second is very dumb
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I've seen people get a little huffy at their advertising lines about how their physical releases are "preservation", but that's not any big sin. That's just normal marketing puff.
honestly though, it is! It’s way harder to lose a game forever if it exists physically. Is it the end all be all of preservation? Of course not, but that’s also not what they claim lol
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It’s eye roll-y at absolute worst
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DarkSol 13/6/2023 6:31 pm
I think iam8bit took over a year to ship one of my orders... and almost 6 months for another one. Left a really bitter taste in my mouth.
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As far as Embracer goes I'm still prepared to read the news story about how they're destroying their physical game collection in a shredder to get a tax writeoff.
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I caught wind of some complaints about LRG, but it largely felt like it boiled down to people being mad because yeah, the orders take a while to make, physical stuff takes a while if you want to get it right.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 6:34 pm
I just want them to ship my books out faster so I can hear what people think
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But some of it attempted to angle it as some sort of profit stealing thing which is like, considering we still exist because of their sales, I don't think that's the case. Also working a long side them for box design and our art book was always pretty pleasant.
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I do kind of sympathize because it did take six months before my NITW pre-order got marked as shipped and I thought being part of embracer would give them more resources to make it faster but ultimately its not worth complaining about or totally writing them off
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I also think Amazon prime broke people's brains on shipping time standards
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DarkSol 13/6/2023 6:37 pm
I dunno. Because not everyone has Prime.
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I also think Amazon prime broke people's brains on shipping time standards
Amazon Prime, and being able to watch your doordash delivery driver from the air like a gliding raptor
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/6/2023 6:41 pm
I need a page like this but for all games of "Art with games using DPaint" https://segaretro.org/Deluxe_Paint
This teeny-tiny article needs some work. You can help us by expanding it. Deluxe Paint, also known as as DPaint, is a series of computer bitmap art packages released by Electronic Arts between 1985 and 1995. The original Deluxe Paint debuted alongside the November release of the Amiga 1000 computer, and became ubiquitous among graphic designers ...
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DarkSol 13/6/2023 6:42 pm
I understand that their whole thing is centred around manufactured "scarcity", but if that's the case... just do the run and then announce the product... versus gauge interest with an open pre-order and then go to make the thing.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 6:44 pm
that was how they used to do it and people bitched about that too
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I think some people also feel that the (overall) quality of the games LRG does has gone down a bit? (personally I'm generally less interested in what they put out, so for my personal tastes this rings true)
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they seem alright to me, they just did anodyne 2 recently which is a big one
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Wasn't their first release a Vita military shooter? Their mission was always "physical releases for games that wouldn't get them otherwise", which includes a lot of niche titles
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I think it's been just about the same over all, if not a bit more interesting with things like Trip World getting a fun GB Color release, or like, Sol Cresta's physical (which my version is SuperDeluxe branded but still).
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Wasn't their first release a Vita military shooter? Their mission was always "physical releases for games that wouldn't get them otherwise", which includes a lot of niche titles
I think their first couple of releases were games that they made themselves
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so that shooter game and I think Saturday Morning RPG
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Their first release I think was their own game, Saturday Morning-- yeah
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 6:54 pm
when I visited their retail shop I got to hear a bit of the sausage being made with regards to what items are popular in said storefront
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If it's a game I really want I'll bite. Most of the time I go for a standard since I mostly want booklets/manuals.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 6:54 pm
there's some RPG that they did runs of it and its sequel, and the dev insisted on using specific pieces of art for the cover that differ only in one character being there
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and as a result both of them sell poorly
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Their MOON release is nice since I think they might have localized all the art book stuff that came with the JP one?
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I honestly wouldn't mind a game works type series on the games selected for limited run and the other labels i.e. strictly limited or super rare. I know limited run has a book covering their 2015-16 releases
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Ethan Whitted 13/6/2023 7:02 pm
Tbh I love most Limited Run products and even for the ones I don't care about, I appreciate them for the "creating a physical version that can be more easily preserved" aspect that @kelslewin mentioned.
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I mostly just have fond memories making our collectors editions.
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in some ways its all FOMO, which probably rubs people the wrong way
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i sort of feel that way
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Matt Clawson 13/6/2023 7:05 pm
i think a lot of collectors (speaking for myself) experience a bit of cognitive dissonance when they see someone else with a shelf full of sealed unplayed games. that represents what i hope/believe is a small number of LRG customers, but that's not really LRG's fault. those people have always existed. (edited)
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It helps that I have limited space haha. There's a lot of "Can I live without this?" when I see something I like that they release. Most of the time the answer is "Yes."
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yeah i don't know if LRG is necessarily a bad influence (edited)
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I do wonder how many lrg buyers do some to immediately flip sales onto ebay
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I love Moon a lot, though, and will get that physical, specifically only because it has a nice art/production book.
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Considering Trip World because while I could get a repo cart for significantly less, I wouldn't mind getting the GBC version for my pocket.
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Matt Clawson 13/6/2023 7:06 pm
dang just realized i missed the trip world cutoff 😦
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Oh that's over?
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Well I guess I'm not getting it!
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Matt Clawson 13/6/2023 7:07 pm
June 11
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hahaha
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Matt Clawson 13/6/2023 7:07 pm
haha! and life goes on
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And money is saved.
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i do wonder if they could be profitable if they didn't limit the sales arbitrarily, and kept prices similar to the digital releases
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Matt Clawson 13/6/2023 7:07 pm
dead stock is no bueno!
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i.e. make it have more of a general appeal
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It all comes down to getting the best price for bulk physical prints.
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but yeah i guess that runs counter to the idea that they are doing niche stuff that can't get mainstream physical releases
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And there are some games, like River City Girls and stuff, which do get big box releases by them.
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Since they're partnered with Best Buy, and I think Target now?
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oh yeah LRG had a 3DS run for the kokopolo games last year, that was a good pickup
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also something im curious about is that LRG and these other labels don't do releases for Xbox, so I wonder if MS has different rules when it comes to physical runs or if there's just less physical sales for xbox games.
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And there are some games, like River City Girls and stuff, which do get big box releases by them.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 7:10 pm
yeah, and them publishing a game does not preclude the devs from having a physical run done elsewhere too
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also something im curious about is that LRG and these other labels don't do releases for Xbox, so I wonder if MS has different rules when it comes to physical runs or if there's just less physical sales for xbox games.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 7:10 pm
oh they explained this a while back, Microsoft's minimum run order is much higher than nintendo or sony's
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Right
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 7:10 pm
I think it's like 10k or something
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i think all xbox games have some kind of online DRM
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even physical discs
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so that might be why
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interesting @ higher minimum order
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 7:11 pm
whereas Nintendo and Sony will let you get away with something like 1-2k copies in a print run
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so yeah they only offer up Microsoft stuff in specific circumstances
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it seems like they might be working towards doing their own digital releases (edited)
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Shantae is the only one they've done so far i think
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ah, Trip World is getting a digital release too
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/6/2023 7:14 pm
Bill & Ted got a digital release
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ah yeah
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actually they have quite a few on the switch eshop
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/6/2023 1:18 pm
I saw last night that MAME now supports the Bally Arcade's 300 baud interface, so the rest of its BASIC library is now accessible via the emulator at last
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just got an email from limited run, sounds like they're gonna send out updates more often for pre-order statuses
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Frank Cifaldi 14/6/2023 5:50 pm
east coast appearance alert!
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Really excited to do a panel with the inimitable @partytimeHXLNT in August! If everything goes right we should have a fun surprise in store.
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oh the preview didn't embed the screencap I made of the video
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we're virtua fighters or polygon.com editors I can't tell
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/6/2023 5:52 pm
I look forward to seeing this, I have every intention of going this year since I missed midwest
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Woohoo! Planning on being there, looking forward to Model 1 Frank face_15
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Matt Clawson 14/6/2023 10:50 pm
For my wife's birthday that weekend, perhaps I will give her the gift of solitude. (edited)
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For my wife's birthday that weekend, perhaps I will give her the gift of solitude. (edited)
Ethan Whitted 14/6/2023 10:58 pm
The gift of "finally getting some da** peace and quiet in this house"? (edited)
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Phil Salvador 15/6/2023 3:27 am
Wait why is it vs
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/6/2023 3:55 am
So Rachel can ring out Frank
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Phil Salvador 15/6/2023 4:04 am
She's got that Shadowsnake kick
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Dylan Mansfield 15/6/2023 4:16 pm
So I'm working on a gaming archival site called https://t.co/HN7dmT4GRu. It'd primarily be a resource for old magazine interviews -- each one is scanned and transcribed, so contents are verifiable and also easily Googlable. Presently have 1500+ scanned, 300 transcribed. 🧵1/3
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Ethan Whitted 15/6/2023 4:18 pm
Woah, this is great! I love this idea!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/6/2023 5:32 pm
We definitely need some collaboration on this.
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Phil Salvador 15/6/2023 5:50 pm
This looks really cool but I'm also slightly terrified that they're doing it alphabetically by game, console, and name all mixed together! I wanna see how the site will be organized/tagged
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/6/2023 5:57 pm
it definitely would need extremely good tagging
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Jeremy Seith 15/6/2023 5:57 pm
i'm gonna reach out within the next couple of days to see where my project might intersect if there is any specific info ya want me to wrap in (edited)
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Matt Clawson 15/6/2023 7:24 pm
i'm experimenting with something similar but i am not interested in manual transcription... instead automated OCR. pros/cons to each approach but i think perfect transcription that takes forever is less valuable than providing immediate value with an automated process. even if the result of the automated process isn't perfect. if combined with an appropriate search system that allows for fuzzy matching, it doesn't matter if some os in the original text get OCR'd as es
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if you need to pull a direct quote or whatever you can always transcribe that selection yourself after finding it.
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https://twitter.com/InTimsWorld/status/1669429524155584517?s=20 I wonder how many made it to prototype stage?
The pinball machines we used for the conversions to NES. Can you spot which games were never released? 🕹️ #intimsworld #pinball #arcade #NES #Nintendo #Tradewest #Williams #retrogames #intimsworldmuseum
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b/c afaik the only one that made it out was Pin*Bot
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Frank Cifaldi 15/6/2023 9:09 pm
high speed is on the right
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that came out
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my takeaway from this is that rare had an agreement with williams, which I hadn't considered
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/6/2023 9:35 pm
That was through Tradewest as far as I know.
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Frank Cifaldi 15/6/2023 9:39 pm
maybe then tradewest had that and it fell through etc. for pinbot?
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Dylan Mansfield 15/6/2023 9:44 pm
There was never any home ports of Earthshaker or F-14
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There was a Game Boy version of High Speed II, as well as a Game Gear port that also went unreleased https://www.smspower.org/forums/7035-WhoMadeWhatUnexpectedDevelopment
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Hello Everyone, As I start to write this post I’m suddenly realizing why so many delisting announcements boil down to phrases like “after careful consideration” and “it is w…
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Yeah it's tough enough maintaining a static site, let alone one with such an active scene as games being delisted. Hope they find good folks to keep up the good work
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Ethan Whitted 16/6/2023 5:57 pm
Dang, I really hope they find someone with the time and zeal to keep running this.
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Phil Salvador 16/6/2023 6:52 pm
It's definitely a valuable resource, we used it for the report
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izzy (she/her) 17/6/2023 1:26 am
is anyone familiar with this? https://alpha.dbljump.com/
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been following for a while and it seems like the person running it is very passionate but also largely doing it themselves https://cohost.org/dbljump/post/1681905-my-day-job-has-kept
I've been thinking about the best way to go forward. We've had an increase in sign-ups recently, which is a positive sign. But, we haven't made the leap to having an active community yet. I love working on Dbljump, but I love it a lot more when there's feedback from users and teammates to collaborate with. What I really need to do is break ou...
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Jason Scott 17/6/2023 2:32 am
Hey @Phil Salvador did my tapes arrived
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Jason Scott
Hey @Phil Salvador did my tapes arrived
Phil Salvador 17/6/2023 2:43 am
Didn't check packages today so I'm not sure
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Frank Cifaldi 17/6/2023 4:43 am
Yeah a while ago
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Thanks for sending!
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Jason Scott 17/6/2023 4:53 am
No problem!
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Frank Cifaldi 17/6/2023 4:41 pm
Few things in life satisfy me more than winning an auction for significantly less than the declined offer I submitted
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 17/6/2023 9:21 pm
discmaster seems to be down today
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textfiles proper seems to be up though
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Jason Scott 17/6/2023 9:27 pm
Down until further notice
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 17/6/2023 11:05 pm
alright, understood
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 18/6/2023 6:32 pm
Some new (kinda) game design document material https://twitter.com/chigamespace/status/1670484017001693184
EXCLUSIVE! The pitch documents for the Tron arcade game, created by George Gomez! We're absolutely pleased to have these original game design documents on display. Come on down 1-5pm to see them in person and learn more about Midway's Tron! https://t.co/gMMHIFCNHQ
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does anyone happen to be a patron of indiegamesplus? I assume they're ending activity on the site given there hasn't been an update since may 31, but their only update is patron-only https://www.patreon.com/IndieGamesPlus
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not i, but i do know joel who does it.
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(i DM-ed him to ask)
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judging by the preview of the update, it looks to be the case
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does anyone happen to be a patron of indiegamesplus? I assume they're ending activity on the site given there hasn't been an update since may 31, but their only update is patron-only https://www.patreon.com/IndieGamesPlus
yep, he confirmed to me it's on 'indefinite hiatus'.
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thats too bad
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is anyone familiar with this? https://alpha.dbljump.com/
Phil Salvador 18/6/2023 8:46 pm
I remember hearing this mentioned when it was first launched but I haven't kept up with how it's going!
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Kate Willært 18/6/2023 10:18 pm
This page of Japanese gamers fondly remembering Urban Champion is pretty fun (machine translation jankiness aside) https://famicom.memorial/urban/urban.html
ファミコン世代による、ファミコンへの思い出を寄せた、ファミコン卒業文集
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Since then, I have never been made fun of again. Thank you so much, "Urban Champion"!
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That was a fun read
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I found my people
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Now to dig up the testimonials for Gyromite
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Looks like my communications professor from college is pumping out books again. Hopefully they’ve gotten better.
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No clue why it’s so crazy expensive.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/6/2023 7:11 pm
Ah yes, Mark Wolf. Consistently frustrating.
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Phil Salvador 19/6/2023 7:41 pm
You ever do an interview that starts out super combative right from the jump and never changes and you just wanna like, take a nap afterwards
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Maybe he wants to teach classes that utilize his books as textbooks.
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That’s big at Concordia University WI where he teaches. I had a few professors that made them cheap ($20) but expensive is prestigious there.
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Phil Salvador
You ever do an interview that starts out super combative right from the jump and never changes and you just wanna like, take a nap afterwards
Oof I’m still not good at aggressive interviews
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/6/2023 8:01 pm
The issue with the Wolf books is the very inconsistent editorial hand. Mostly hands off, which means both bad research and highly variable writing quality.
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Yeah much respect to those of you who go out and do the hard work of not just finding people but then working with all the personality types to interview them
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Phil Salvador
You ever do an interview that starts out super combative right from the jump and never changes and you just wanna like, take a nap afterwards
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/6/2023 8:07 pm
I like the interviews that are like 6 minutes long because they refuse to answer any question in any detail
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Least Weasel 19/6/2023 8:07 pm
I feel like I could do that
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I can mask well enough that none of my patients know I'm autistic
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Surely if I can do that in a medical environment I can do an interview
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I like the interviews that are like 6 minutes long because they refuse to answer any question in any detail
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/6/2023 8:08 pm
"Yes." "Can you tell me more about that?" "Well, it's how it was, y'know?"
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Phil Salvador 19/6/2023 8:08 pm
This guy was in permanent VC brain mode, he said the entire interview was on background and kept telling me I was irrelevant and my questions were stupid
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/6/2023 8:09 pm
Thankfully of the thousands of interviews I’ve done over the past 12 years only a handful have been that rude or short
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Phil Salvador 19/6/2023 8:10 pm
We were talking about Maxis' growth plans, and I asked a clarifying question that it sounded like the idea was to expand the volume of their product line, which is what is what I've gotten from talking with everyone else
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And he said "No, obviously we were also trying to sell more copies of legacy titles too. That's a stupid question."
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/6/2023 8:10 pm
That is very rude
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Phil Salvador 19/6/2023 8:10 pm
(TBF I think he left the company board after they went into volume mode) (edited)
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but yeah jeez
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"There are no stupid questions, only stupid responses." - Somebody
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Least Weasel 19/6/2023 8:24 pm
Nm, Phil. I think you just explained why I'm foolish to think I could
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There is nothing like a self important powerful asshole
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Jason Scott 19/6/2023 11:02 pm
We taking bets on embracer archive dying
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I'm giving it a resounding "mothball by end of year 2023"
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I'm saying February 2024, mentioned as a single line in a stockholder meeting
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Jason Scott 19/6/2023 11:05 pm
Clearly they will not toss it but I do see it being stored.
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Ah, you're an optimist
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I'm saying February 2024, mentioned as a single line in a stockholder meeting
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/6/2023 11:08 pm
Oh yeah it’s definitely gonna be an end of fiscal year thing
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Frank Cifaldi 19/6/2023 11:18 pm
It seems like a pretty tiny part of the business so I think they'll keep it around
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I wonder what the opex is of the archive. If I were to guess they are going to keep it around but any documentation/cataloguing or additional acquisitions will pause indefinitely. (edited)
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Ya never know. Maybe they say "hi VGHF, we love you, it's all yours" and write it off
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Though presumably this is a division with employees, so bummer to think of it that way
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Phil Salvador 20/6/2023 7:33 pm
Double Fine digging up some good stuff https://twitter.com/DoubleFine/status/1671237364218298371
The P1 archive folder also has D'Artagnan! If you don't know, Dart was the original design for Psychonauts' protagonist. Sleepy little boy!
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Frank Cifaldi 20/6/2023 10:07 pm
...I had this one
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I use to pick these up occasionally, but most of the time it was for the Halloween themed issues.
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This and Nickelodeon Magazine had some pretty good halloween issues.
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Phil Salvador
Double Fine digging up some good stuff https://twitter.com/DoubleFine/status/1671237364218298371
i like how that lil dude is basically the genesis for all the psychonaut designs. he's like the perfect base mesh
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so many jubeats
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Dylan Mansfield 21/6/2023 6:59 am
VGHF website down for anyone else?
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Yeah
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Kate Willært 21/6/2023 8:17 pm
I just noticed someone has been reuploading some or all of Computer Entertainer as individual issues on Archive, which is kind of nice just because now they're showing up in search results for things (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 21/6/2023 8:55 pm
oh that's fantastic
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I now have maybe 80% of them loose for potential rescans
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/6/2023 10:16 pm
I’m super excited to finally get to games where I can refer to those issues
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/6/2023 11:46 pm
A little explanation of the arcade downturn starting in 82. https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1671661778642649089
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/6/2023 2:50 pm
Microsoft vs the FTC is coming up today in about 40 minutes. If it's anything like the Apple vs Epic case there'll probably some nice info from the inner workings of Microsoft and Activision coming out of it
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Phil Salvador 22/6/2023 3:36 pm
Even all the cross talk in the lead up has been juicy
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Ethan Whitted 22/6/2023 4:45 pm
Do you guys have all issues of the Official Playstation/Official Xbox magazines?
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Phil Salvador 22/6/2023 4:52 pm
I think we have all of OPM but we're missing a few OXMs, lemme check
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Issue 1, December 2001 Issue 3, February 2002 Issue 15, February 2003 Issues 157–179, January 2014–October 2015 Issues 190–204, August 2016–September 2017 Issues 206–212, December 2017–April 2018 Issues 214–227, June 2018–June 2019 Issue 181, October 2019 Issue 188, April 2020 Specials: - Xbox Cheat Guide, Volume 1, 2003? - Xbox Cheat Guide, Volumes 5–6 - Ultimate Xbox 360 Encyclopedia - Xbox 360 Gear Guide
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Those two are in italics because OXM screwed up the numbering at that point, so for example there's multiple Issue 181s (edited)
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Phil Salvador
Those two are in italics because OXM screwed up the numbering at that point, so for example there's multiple Issue 181s (edited)
Xbox, always bad at naming things xD
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Phil Salvador 22/6/2023 4:56 pm
What happened was they stopped making a US version of the magazine and just started publishing the UK version in the US... but the numbering was off by like 50 issues
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Makes sense. Is it the exact issue sold in UK, or is there some formatting changes?
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retrohistories 22/6/2023 5:10 pm
the ads are certainly different. if I remember right, the page size is a little different in the US version (I assume presses there work to different dimensional standards) so everything's re-typeset even if the visual differences are slight
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Phil Salvador 22/6/2023 5:42 pm
The non-ad content is totally unchanged, to the point where the publisher info inside is even still for the UK edition, it just has a USD price on the cover (edited)
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If one has hypothetically been in games for 20 years, and hypothetically has assorted misc. materials from companies that no longer exist, what might one do with that? Hypothetically (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 22/6/2023 6:00 pm
consult with us, we evaluate the material and advise. it really depends on what kind of stuff we're talking about. you may DM me if it helps, usually we end up just scheduling a video call and going from there
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but imo you're asking the right people, we're really good at knowing what should go where (edited)
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Issue 1, December 2001 Issue 3, February 2002 Issue 15, February 2003 Issues 157–179, January 2014–October 2015 Issues 190–204, August 2016–September 2017 Issues 206–212, December 2017–April 2018 Issues 214–227, June 2018–June 2019 Issue 181, October 2019 Issue 188, April 2020 Specials: - Xbox Cheat Guide, Volume 1, 2003? - Xbox Cheat Guide, Volumes 5–6 - Ultimate Xbox 360 Encyclopedia - Xbox 360 Gear Guide
Ethan Whitted 23/6/2023 5:32 pm
Are these from when it was from the first OXM series, or when the name of the brand got moved to what used to be the Unofficial mag?
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Phil Salvador 23/6/2023 5:33 pm
I'm not familiar with an unofficial Xbox magazine that got merged, what's the story there?
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If it's a regional thing, this is US only, just going by issue number
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It goes straight from issue 1–228, with no interruptions until things get weird in August 2019
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Ethan Whitted 23/6/2023 5:39 pm
Wait, maybe that was only the Unofficial Playstation magazine that that happened to? 🤔
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Because I know it happened there, do you know that story?
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Phil Salvador 23/6/2023 5:41 pm
Oh yeah that did happen for PlayStation! Previously the officially licensed PS magazine was Official PlayStation Magazine (edited)
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but then Sony gave the license to the company that does PSM, so PSM became PlayStation The Official Magazine
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We have every issue of OPM, but not every issue of PS Official
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For PlayStation: The Official Magazine, we're missing issues 61, 62, 65, and 66 (which are all from 2012) (edited)
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DarkSol 23/6/2023 7:17 pm
@Phil Salvador Issue 66: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/225600785176
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Playstation The Official Magazine PS3 PSP 66 Holiday 2012 Devil May Cry at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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Phil Salvador 23/6/2023 7:18 pm
Oh shit thank you!
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DarkSol 23/6/2023 7:18 pm
of course 🙂
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did you snag it? 😛
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Phil Salvador 23/6/2023 7:25 pm
Waiting for Frank to get back
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DarkSol 23/6/2023 7:26 pm
Ah okay.
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Unfortunately, that's the only one of the missing ones that I could find on ebay right now.
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Are there any other magazines that you might be missing an issue here and/or there from?
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I have a lot of time on my hands at the moment, so I could do some digging on ebay.
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Frank Cifaldi 23/6/2023 8:02 pm
Tempted to hold out because we tend to see PlayStation Official in big lots, I think it's likely we end up getting all at once
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Here's the development environment we used to create NES games at Software Creations. PC-ED was our 6502 IDE. This allowed us to edit, assemble and transfer the game code/data to a target NES development kit via a parallel link. Here's the 6502 source code for NES Solstice.
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Are there any other magazines that you might be missing an issue here and/or there from?
Phil Salvador 23/6/2023 11:54 pm
Sorry, missed replying to you! We're building a list but it's not public yet because it's still incomplete. We're spot-checking as we go
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Frank Cifaldi 23/6/2023 11:55 pm
very few that are obviously ebay-able or, at least, that we are ready to buy individually
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there's stuff like "CD-ROM Today" that I just buy in lots as I see them but it's not important enough to go after the handful of individual issues
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Sorry, missed replying to you! We're building a list but it's not public yet because it's still incomplete. We're spot-checking as we go
DarkSol 24/6/2023 12:20 am
No worries... just thought I'd put the ask out there in case otherwise 🙂
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/6/2023 11:38 pm
Through the help of @hard4games, we've been able to scan several Japanese magazines in my possession. Most interesting is this - a "concept photo" for Itoi's mysterious 64DD game, Cabbage! It's currently the only visual reference for the game that's been found. #Nintendo
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Phil Salvador 26/6/2023 6:30 am
Just caught that Ian Saunter (Creatures) passed away in January https://www.gamespress.com/pt/Ian-Saunter-a-lifetime-career-in-games
Press releases and assets from across the games industry - screenshots, videos, logos, packshots, artwork, PR contacts, release dates
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 26/6/2023 5:24 pm
Is this a new version? https://archive.org/details/COPTER
Extracted from: https://archive.org/details/cd-dec-96-vol1This version of SimCopter comes at least 6 months prior to the initial 1.0 release, and was never...
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Phil Salvador 26/6/2023 5:25 pm
Yeah I've never heard of this. It sounds like it was just on a warez CD??
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Aleksander Krimsky is leading the way on SimCopter tech research so I trust his judgment that this was at least previously not known
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There's at least one other weird half-finished game from that era of Maxis floating around, I have to assume someone internally at Maxis was pirating stuff (edited)
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The company was really bloated at that point (like 300 people) so there could've easily been someone copying unfinished version of games off an internal server and circulating them
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Ah that stage of growth where ya gotta come up with work for people but uh I dunno sure you lot can work on a SimCopter
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Conversely, that stage when the big project blows up and absorbs everyone from all the small teams and prototype efforts so all that stuff gets shelved
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Phil Salvador
There's at least one other weird half-finished game from that era of Maxis floating around, I have to assume someone internally at Maxis was pirating stuff (edited)
If it’s coming from inside the company, wouldn’t that technically be espionage rather than piracy? 😛
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For PlayStation: The Official Magazine, we're missing issues 61, 62, 65, and 66 (which are all from 2012) (edited)
Ethan Whitted 27/6/2023 6:58 am
Sorry for the late response, but yes I will ask after these issues!
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Phil Salvador 27/6/2023 7:32 am
Awesome thank you!
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Tomorrow's my last day with the NWC Gold as I'm handing it over to The Strong on Thursday. Any ideas about what I should do?
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Phil Salvador 27/6/2023 5:18 pm
Blindfold it and take a picture of it with today's newspaper
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I can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper
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bring it into a store in a bag of several dusty NES games and see what happens
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Phil Salvador 27/6/2023 5:27 pm
Swap out the circuit board for Play Action Football
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kelslewin
bring it into a store in a bag of several dusty NES games and see what happens
Unfortunately (?) it's slabbed
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Take a Phil Spencer style desk pic with it casually on the shelf behind you, just about shoulder level
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Phil Salvador 27/6/2023 5:42 pm
Yeah take a picture of some other boring game "look what just came in the mail!" but NWC Gold is slightly out of focus behind it
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Using it as a coaster
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/6/2023 5:46 pm
take it to see the animals at the zoo
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or run your own high score competition
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carve your initials on the inside of the case
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did a gold one ever get dumped?
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i don't see a record of it
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did a gold one ever get dumped?
Grey/gold use the same board and ROMS (edited)
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apparently there's one dump from 2012 recorded, from a grey cart
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so not redumped/verified yet
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:02 am
The original dump I put out around 2002 was from a gold
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Dumped by kevtris
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i guess the images are not actually connected to the dumps on nescartdb, they do say they are submitted people other than kevtris
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Color Gold
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:08 am
I have no idea, no one was tracking anything back then other than the ROMs, I think this predates even Redump?
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All I know is the ROM that has been around forever is from a gold owned by someone who didn't want his name attached to it
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yeah 2002 predated redump and no-intro i think
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i guess kevtris submitted it to nescartdb in 2012 to document it a bit more
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:10 am
It really was just a file on my dumb Tripod site or maybe The Sardius Experience, the only thing to submit to at the time was Cowering's GoodNES tool
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i think i had a bookmark to one of those sites on archive.org, fun to look at old stuff like that
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:43 pm
The reason it was anonymous is that the person he bought it from made him swear he wouldn't dump the ROM and devalue the game. It's such a shame that these things are now worthless, imagine how much they'd be worth if there wasn't a ROM online. I've got one holding up my kitchen table, all it's good for
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/6/2023 1:47 pm
The less people know about something, the more valuable it is face_01
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:48 pm
Iirc he paid $4,000 for the gold, but this was like, 1999?
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Maybe someone ought to get stuff like this from our brains while it's still there, this early days preservation group stuff
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/6/2023 1:51 pm
I remember reading rom dump updates in high school on like... atari nexus and being like "this is the coolest shit" (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 28/6/2023 1:53 pm
Yeah. I started on the SMS Power and Sardius Experience forums. Sardius having a plain text list of undumped NES games is probably like, 50% of my origin story, looking at that list and scheming
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/6/2023 1:58 pm
oh god, Sardius is a name I haven't heard in a long time
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Yeah, there's a great book in the early rom dumping and emulation scenes, if you can track down the people. I would religiously visit like Zophar's Domain every day, since it was the clearinghouse for translations and hacks.
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Jason Scott 28/6/2023 2:42 pm
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"It would be a damn shame if you spent your $60 for the month of July on Diablo II and let Icewind Dale pass you by", says a DailyRadar quote on this ad for the classic 2000 Black Isle PC CRPG. [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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Phil Salvador 28/6/2023 10:43 pm
I love and appreciate my colleagues of academia, but sometimes this stuff frustrates me because I'm not sure what a "research-grade video game archive" is in contrast to other collections that already exist. I feel like there's a lot of energy spent reinventing stuff sometimes 😦
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Jason Scott 28/6/2023 11:02 pm
MAYBE YOU NEED TO WATCH, PHIL
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Phil Salvador 28/6/2023 11:20 pm
That's true!
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I'm just having flashbacks to library school when we learned about a bespoke, institution-supported DOS emulator that we were told was an "archival emulator," but it was never clear how it was better or different than DOSBox
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It spent seven years in development and then got abandoned before a 1.0 release
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Jason Scott 29/6/2023 1:43 am
There Friday!
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Phil Salvador 29/6/2023 2:10 am
It sounds like it's gonna be great, but I'm holding things down on the west coast!
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Jason Scott 29/6/2023 1:14 pm
I'm listening in to this conference. Fun stuff. They figured out I'm "attending"
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Phil Salvador
I'm just having flashbacks to library school when we learned about a bespoke, institution-supported DOS emulator that we were told was an "archival emulator," but it was never clear how it was better or different than DOSBox
It was approved by Dr DOS.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I remember reading rom dump updates in high school on like... atari nexus and being like "this is the coolest shit" (edited)
Nate Lockhart 29/6/2023 9:46 pm
Wow, Atari 2600 Nexus... that's a flashback
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MonsterDunk 30/6/2023 2:39 am
I used to hang out on IRC in like... 1995-6 and everyone had their fserv's up and running, full of Game Boy games. I'd check them all every day to see if anyone had anything new.
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Great seeing everyone tonight!
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Frank Cifaldi 30/6/2023 1:07 pm
Sorry we got thrown in jail
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Congrats to @museumofplay for its expansion grand opening today! We took our @GameHistoryOrg team photo last njght in front of a giant sculpture from our favorite video game, "Dungeons and Dragons"
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Bonus pic of a bunch of people cutting a ribbon at the same time
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And a rare public Don James from Nintendo sighting
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Bonus pic of a bunch of people cutting a ribbon at the same time
This is what happens when someone over-orders the giant novelty scissors.
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Frank Cifaldi 30/6/2023 1:15 pm
I was told at the hotel bar late last night that there's a different pair of novelty scissors for this morning's public ceremony and that they are four feet tall
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I will do my best to photograph them
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Frank Cifaldi 30/6/2023 1:56 pm
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These are not four feet tall
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Nah, I remember you being at least 8ft tall Frank
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I love that they’re on a guitar stand 😂
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Phil Salvador 30/6/2023 2:05 pm
Yeah well yesterday I went to Chili's, so
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Are you now a downtown defender? what does that entail exactly?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 2:40 pm
Glad it's been poppin'! Wish I could be there.
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Nah, I remember you being at least 8ft tall Frank
Now I'm just imagining a giant Frank menacing downtown Rochester.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 2:48 pm
Frankzilla! face_10
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He was awakened from his 65-million-year slumber by the prospect of finding unreleased NES games.
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Strange, seems it automatically adds us when we upgrade, thanks! Sorry for the dm
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Frank Cifaldi 30/6/2023 3:07 pm
Oh hey! Glad that you figured it out because I wasn't sure how to reply. Welcome!!
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Met my heroes just now
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Thanks 😁 I was wondering, what should I look for in a color scanner? Like is there a way to see like scan quality? For manuals, boxes and possibly carts/PCB scans. Looking to get one someday
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 3:23 pm
Wow, the CEOs of Activision and Bethesda
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Thanks 😁 I was wondering, what should I look for in a color scanner? Like is there a way to see like scan quality? For manuals, boxes and possibly carts/PCB scans. Looking to get one someday
I believe this is still the favored resource for all things scanning https://scanning.guide/
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 3:34 pm
Why does Todd as Mr. Potato Head work so well
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Because he often ships with missing parts?
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Phil Salvador 30/6/2023 5:01 pm
Greetings from the Myst convention!
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 5:02 pm
It's Phil's wedding cake
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Phil Salvador 30/6/2023 5:02 pm
If only
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I would play the Lego Myst video game if only to read all the island construction journals reworked into some lego building blog
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Today I ran out of 2x1's which sparked creativity the likes....
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Phil Salvador 30/6/2023 5:07 pm
Genuinely surprised that isn't being represented here!
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Having a zweigle red hot for lunch in honor of the strong 🌭 (congrats @Borman !)
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Nice, I just saw the patreon video, very hyped! I love Myst!
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Phil Salvador 30/6/2023 6:41 pm
We'll be announcing it publicly tomorrow, keep it under your hats for now! There will be a livestream where we show off some stuff (edited)
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(fyi I had to take the Patreon post down bc we have patrons at Mysterium, whoops)
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all will be back up tomorrow
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 8:33 pm
YES
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 9:31 pm
Is the Gotcha playable? 😮
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oh god i hope not
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oh, i guess the game is less creepy than the original ads/controller. somewhat.
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it's still 'stalking: the game' tho right?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 9:36 pm
Depends how you take the flyer (which hardly any palyers would have ever seen, mind)
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There is such a thing as the consensual chase
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Gotcha is not playable, it wouldn't last
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But it's next to the mold/form for it's bezel
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I’m just glad we’re finally giving “Dig Dug” its due.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/6/2023 9:50 pm
The 5200 port I believe.
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Or is that 7800
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Frank Cifaldi 30/6/2023 9:51 pm
Not playable
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Kate Willært 30/6/2023 10:24 pm
Does anyone know what's the best way to submit a bug report to IA? cc @Jason Scott
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 10:57 pm
I mean, what is the nature
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I mean, what is the nature
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 10:57 pm
"Sort by" stopped working
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 10:58 pm
Neat. Give me a url and I'll plink it on them
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Jason Scott
Neat. Give me a url and I'll plink it on them
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 10:58 pm
Just a URL of any search?
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 10:59 pm
Good enough. I'll drop it on them
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Jason Scott
Good enough. I'll drop it on them
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 10:59 pm
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Tey with incognito or private mode
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Tey with incognito or private mode
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 11:02 pm
Same result...seems like every sort option is just doing "relevance" instead
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Tey with incognito or private mode
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 11:03 pm
But speaking of other modes, I noticed that when searching the site on iOS, using quotation marks around a term doesn't do anything, it just treats the search like the quotes aren't there
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Jason Scott 30/6/2023 11:14 pm
Yes
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Things are messy but I let aaron know
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Things are messy but I let aaron know
Kate Willært 30/6/2023 11:20 pm
Cool, thanks
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@Frank Cifaldi Kinda asked on your tweet, but the giant DK Arcade machine... any idea ifmit was the original arcade code? Would love to know if it is the first time since the Ikegami settlement that Nintendo acknowledged the original arcade code by "releasing" it.
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Wait. DK had an Arcade Archives release? Where was I?
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Kate Willært 1/7/2023 12:09 am
Yup, they even did stranger ones like Sky Skipper
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I knew (and purchased) Sky Skipper. Somehow completely missed DK. Mind blown. And that was five years ago! Yeesh. Amazing how such a thing can completely pass me by.
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Kate Willært 1/7/2023 12:13 am
Those were both announced the same week IIRC, maybe you were so excited about Sky Skipper you overlooked it lol
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I guess. 🤣 I was so intrigued about Sky Skipper's history. I guess we're never getting an Arcade Archives Popeye though. 😦
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Kate Willært 1/7/2023 12:21 am
Or apparently anything earlier than DK
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I'd guess Sky Skipper didn't sell all that great. It... isn't a great game and what sold had to be on the early Nintendo name alone. Hamster probably just didn't see the value in continuing with things like RadarScope, Sheriff, and a few space shooter knock offs. Although SEGA's Head On and Nintendo's licensed Head On N would be nice to see.
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@Frank Cifaldi Kinda asked on your tweet, but the giant DK Arcade machine... any idea ifmit was the original arcade code? Would love to know if it is the first time since the Ikegami settlement that Nintendo acknowledged the original arcade code by "releasing" it.
It's an original DK motherboard
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Jason Scott 1/7/2023 1:09 am
I saw Borman
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Dying happy now
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It's an original DK motherboard
Well, I gues with the AA release, it didn't much matter anyway. Kinda neat it's an original board though. I wonder how original all the controls are.
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Uses either original buttons and sticks or modern replacements. Though the stick is fighting us already
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I used a retrotink 5x to upscale the game
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@Borman Wait, you did this? I'm coming to NYC in August and am excited to see it!
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We're far from NYC, fair warning, but yep,part of the team that put it all together
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Frank Cifaldi 1/7/2023 2:12 am
We did NYC to Rochester on this trip as a 7.5 hour Amtrak
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Ugh. I might have to change plans. 🤣
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I'd guess Sky Skipper didn't sell all that great. It... isn't a great game and what sold had to be on the early Nintendo name alone. Hamster probably just didn't see the value in continuing with things like RadarScope, Sheriff, and a few space shooter knock offs. Although SEGA's Head On and Nintendo's licensed Head On N would be nice to see.
Kate Willært 1/7/2023 4:25 pm
The lead Hamster guy said he wants to do more 70s games at some point, so I don't think it was disinterest on their end
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 1/7/2023 5:56 pm
Cmon Western Gun
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Phil Salvador 1/7/2023 9:02 pm
Pssst, starting shortly https://twitch.tv/mysteriumcon
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/7/2023 9:13 pm
myst people are such wonderful dorks and a joy to watch. one of these years i should really see about visiting this in person
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that is what i aspire to in my life, is to be a Wonderful Dork
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/7/2023 9:26 pm
YAY PHIL IS UP
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HI PHIL
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Wonderful dork was my nickname in high school
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/7/2023 10:04 pm
Everytime Phil is on stage we should chant his name to the tune of the Bill Nye opener (edited)
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Phil Salvador 1/7/2023 10:08 pm
It was so fucking hard to keep that secret for a year
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 1/7/2023 10:44 pm
Oh also happy birthday to @kelslewin this Myst announcement is a good gift to yourself I think
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/7/2023 10:49 pm
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Jason Scott 1/7/2023 10:50 pm
What is the announcement
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Phil Salvador 1/7/2023 10:50 pm
We're working with Cyan to digitize their video archives
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We're working with Cyan to digitize their video archives
Is that a combo of film and VHS?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/7/2023 11:08 pm
i think he'd said something about some of it being in Digital Beta format
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Phil Salvador 1/7/2023 11:08 pm
All tape, so VHS, Beta, DigiBeta, and some Video8
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No reel film
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Phil Salvador 2/7/2023 12:20 am
I am overhearing someone at Mysterium tell the story of ET 2600 wrong and I am biting my tongue (edited)
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This is growth
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I hear it was the worst game of all time.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/7/2023 12:48 am
They buried millions in New Mexico
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Least Weasel 2/7/2023 1:49 am
Stay strong Phil!
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Stuck in Chicago coming back from The Strong. Thanks @Phil Salvador for representing us at the convention and sharing the awesome news!
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Phil Salvador 2/7/2023 3:27 am
Tonight I'll get a clip from the VOD, the room went absolutely apeshit
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It was like Myst E3
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Oh also happy birthday to @kelslewin this Myst announcement is a good gift to yourself I think
Thank you!!
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Phil Salvador 2/7/2023 6:46 am
I can report back that there are already people at Mysterium planning to cosplay as a character from prototype footage we showed
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Jeremy Seith 2/7/2023 6:58 am
very incredibly cool
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What was the first ad of a NES game on a Marvel comic book?
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Frank Cifaldi 2/7/2023 2:40 pm
I looked into this once but I'm having to go off memory, iirc video game ads started back up in Marvel and DC I think January 1987 and I think Konami was among the first with a multi game ad
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If you were HappyPuppy, how would you advertise your online cheats website in the year 2000? Via this labored kung fu joke, apparently. [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.] https://t.co/NL4JSsD2K7
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That was a wild era of website names
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a friend of mine in highschool was very incredulous that the best website for videogame news was the-magicbox.com
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it was the era before we decided websites needed to be named things like Vizn or Chattr
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yea pre-"web 2.0" was fun
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absolutely remember happypuppy
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Dang, they even had an on-staff artist to do feature art in their house style. Amazing what web advertising paid for in 1999
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or what you could squeeze out of teenagers for exposure, I guess
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Matt Clawson 2/7/2023 9:49 pm
I had completely forgotten about Happy Puppy!!! I definitely read it.
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oh yeah i remember the magicbox!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 2/7/2023 10:01 pm
i had definitely been to happypuppy a few times back in the day. good place to hunt for shareware demos
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Jeremy Seith 3/7/2023 12:12 am
oooh they get bought by theglobe.com just as the bubble is peaking. They buy Chips & Bits and thus Computer Games Magazine just months before
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i was at one point trying to buy CGM for Gamasutra
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largely i think for reprinting legacy articles
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but we got outbid by someone who failed to relaunch it, if i recall
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Phil Salvador 3/7/2023 4:00 am
The best feedback I got on the Cyan project this weekend is that we showed never-before-seen prototype footage from Myst 4, which included an alternate costume design for a character
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One of the hardcore Myst cosplayers wanted reference stills so they could do a costume of it
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We've got people wanting to dress up as beta material, that's how we know we got something good (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/7/2023 4:08 am
oh yeah, Yeesha looked really cool in that bit
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maybe too cool and that's why they changed it
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but we got outbid by someone who failed to relaunch it, if i recall
Jeremy Seith 3/7/2023 5:56 am
what a shame! the enthusiast coverage is so great, and so many interviews!
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Ethan Whitted 3/7/2023 8:26 pm
Why does the Patreon link of the video of Phil not work anymore?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/7/2023 8:40 pm
what's the date on that message?
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because it was taken down and reposted a day later
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Did it get reposted? I don't see it in my Patreon app, but Patreon is super unreliable so who knows.
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that might be a problem from our side, maybe there's something weird about re-posting?
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i'll look into it right now!
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okay I think there's an actual post now, also I added the live reaction to Phil announcing it
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Eyy, just popped up. Nice fix
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Ethan Whitted 3/7/2023 8:55 pm
Yep, just popped up in my email! Thanks!
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Jason Scott 4/7/2023 12:00 pm
Internal Sega of America docs from April 1996 just got posted online with a goldmine of info for Sega fans. Imagine spending $4 million marketing Sega Pico only for people to still not know what it is 😆 #sega #segaretro ##retrosega #segagenesis #segaofamerica #segamegadrive #segapico #segagamegear #segasaturn #segatok #seganomad #marketinganalys...
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Reverend Crush 4/7/2023 6:25 pm
I haven't had time to dig deep into the SoA docs (hoping to have a chance to today, just finishing up some work), but what I saw on just brief glances of what's been posted to the twitters was nuts. Like, things were more dire than anyone ever let on. Also, the tiers the put their third party publishers was surprising. Atlus and Vic Tokai were "C-Tier", yet Sega let them publish some of their own games stateside. That almost made me sad. (edited)
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This 4th of July I made my 5yo sit through The Wizard just so I could blow his mind by showing him that we have a Power Glove at home. #itssobad #retrogaming #daddyoftheyear
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Frank Cifaldi 5/7/2023 1:46 am
Diabolical
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Least Weasel 5/7/2023 3:06 am
Can I trouble you guys for advice? Do any of you keep a list of what you've played? What do you use?
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SGreenwell 5/7/2023 3:36 am
I just use a Google Sheet, so I can update it on my pc or phone, depending on what I'm playing.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/7/2023 3:37 am
I track the games I’ve finished
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Just with Facebook posts though
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Phil Salvador 5/7/2023 3:55 am
Backloggd has been fun to use recently, though the last game tracking site I used abruptly shut down so I'm always a little wary of eggs in one basket (haven't looked into whether it has a data export option) (edited)
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Yeah I've just kept a monthly list of all the new-to-me media I've checked out for the past decade
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Helps if you're as bad at recalling titles and names as I am
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I started adding little bits to them as well. Sometimes a thought, sometimes a review, sometimes my favorite view outside the window when I finished reading it
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A good list soothes the soul
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Least Weasel 5/7/2023 12:02 pm
I've been a long time user of Backloggery but -- yeah, I think I'm going to need to make a spreadsheet
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Historian @ubersaurus has plenty to teach even us about this lesser known 70's console, the Bally Professional Arcade. You, too, may just get a little teary-eyed while listening, so grab a tissue and take a listen here: https://t.co/pWyQlm0svI
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(also mentioned in #video-game-history-hour i know but not everyone looks at that channel)
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I've been a long time user of Backloggery but -- yeah, I think I'm going to need to make a spreadsheet
Ethan Whitted 5/7/2023 8:13 pm
Yeah, there are definitely a million and a half websites for these now (Launchbox comes to mind), it seems to be mostly up to just whatever your preferences are/what specific features you're looking for.
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I'm only wary of proprietary platforms and them going away. So I'd wanna make sure there's an export feature at least to backup all the effort
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Or really just a way to back up to a human usable local copy
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Least Weasel 5/7/2023 9:05 pm
I'm in the Backloggery discord and it's just a couple running the show, so I feel like they're small and trustworthy but haven't changed in literal ever (edited)
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It's just extremely irritating that there's not really a way to change how things are sorted
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I've had one since forever but yeah, it's just... not it for me
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I've been looking into one with a good android client as well, which I doubt backloggery is ever going to do
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Least Weasel 6/7/2023 1:01 am
Oh absolutely not. Drumble is happy with his website and no more
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which is a bit of a shame, but I get it
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but it does mean there's basically no perfect or close game tracking site for me (edited)
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Oh absolutely not. Drumble is happy with his website and no more
isnt he actively working on 2.0?
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I get the update feed now and then
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Least Weasel 6/7/2023 10:49 am
He is, but I don't know when that's ever actually going to happen
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Ethan Whitted 6/7/2023 10:22 pm
I believe MobyGames has a feature for keeping track of your games as well, but it's fairly simple.
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They are actively developing their platform and they've been around longer than anyone else, so they are unlikely to just go under and disappear one day.
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Not unless Atari screws them over, fingers crossed they don't
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Ethan Whitted 6/7/2023 10:27 pm
Definitely fingers crossed for that. It seems more likely that they would go independent than go under and offline if Atari did ever decide to be done with them.
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Because they've been passed around under big brands for years like Game Fly, Gamespot, etc.
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Definitely fingers crossed for that. It seems more likely that they would go independent than go under and offline if Atari did ever decide to be done with them.
Not to concern troll here, but they might not have that option. It's not like the staff of Deadspin got to port all of their work over to Defector. As someone who has worked for some now defunct newspapers, sometimes things just go down with the ship. (That being said, I think MobyGames would have value to someone in a liquidation, if Atari ever goes completely bye bye.)
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Atari is unkillable. It can regenerate but never truly die.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/7/2023 10:36 pm
Atari is a Greater Vampire. (edited)
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Not to concern troll here, but they might not have that option. It's not like the staff of Deadspin got to port all of their work over to Defector. As someone who has worked for some now defunct newspapers, sometimes things just go down with the ship. (That being said, I think MobyGames would have value to someone in a liquidation, if Atari ever goes completely bye bye.)
Ethan Whitted 6/7/2023 10:36 pm
Valid. Hopefully with something carrying as much data and historical value as a major database, its company being spun down may look slightly different than a newspaper magazine but 🤷‍♀️
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Yeah. I suppose I'm just a little pessimistic as of late, though, given how some very rich people / entities have managed to run things into the ground pretty quickly.
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Frank Cifaldi 6/7/2023 10:42 pm
I'm pretty disappointed that it now has a market value in the millions, meaning it will never be rescued again like it was away from gamefly
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Hey, markets crash. Anything can be rendered economically worthless in quick order.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/7/2023 10:46 pm
I’m sure Palmer luckey will grab it for his vr museum
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Hey, markets crash. Anything can be rendered economically worthless in quick order.
Exactly
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Hey, markets crash. Anything can be rendered economically worthless in quick order.
Phil Salvador 6/7/2023 10:52 pm
This sounds like you're going to attempt to crash the market
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"Something might happen here, and if it does, so what?"
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Just speaking as a guy who writes about a lot of 1980s companies that once seemed invincible and yet somehow all failed to survive past the 1990s.
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He says as he writes a podcast script about Ashton-Tate
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Frank Cifaldi 6/7/2023 10:54 pm
this feels rough though because its value feels entirely imaginary
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it's extremely speculative at best, that atari can turn it into something
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maybe they can? they probably think they can license out the metadata to inevitable services
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I'd hope so
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It's one of my favorite resources
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If not favorite
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maybe they can? they probably think they can license out the metadata to inevitable services
That might have been a viable strategy before the AI bots declared all Internet data their property.
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Phil Salvador 7/7/2023 2:59 am
2.5 years in prison for Yuji Naka (EDIT: it's more complicated than that, see below) https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1677127612160962562 (edited)
Yuji Naka has been sentenced to 2 years, 6 months prison, suspended for 4 years, with two fines of ~¥2M & ~¥170M🇯🇵
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Frank Cifaldi 7/7/2023 3:29 am
Wonder if this is true?
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@TPainkill @gosokkyu It’s a probationary period. He basically has to keep a clean record for the next four years while paying back a lot of yen. If he violates the terms of his probation, then he’ll serve the two and a half year prison sentence.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/7/2023 3:37 am
That sounds very Japan to me.
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That makes sense to me.
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2.5 years in prison for Yuji Naka (EDIT: it's more complicated than that, see below) https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1677127612160962562 (edited)
How much of that is for Balan Wonderworld?
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Suspended sentences are a thing in the USA too
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Matt Clawson 7/7/2023 2:30 pm
Yeah, not too uncommon for white collar crime to be treated with a slap on the wrist. I have an extended family member that stole money from their family business. Their sentence was to go to "prison" on the weekends only. Unbelievable. (edited)
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S.M. Oliva 7/7/2023 2:51 pm
Something like insider trading would also be more likely handled by the SEC through a civil investigation rather than a criminal prosecution.
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Phil Salvador 7/7/2023 9:39 pm
More cool archaeology happening from 343 https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/digsite-deliveries
Last year, we released a three-part blog series exploring the cutting room floor of Halo, reaching all the way back to not just the E3 2003 demo of Halo 2, but even further back to the 1999 Macworld demo for Halo: Combat Evolved. We announced that an intrepid team of modders, in partnership with us […]
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I LOVE that they released greybox versions of multiplayer maps, that's nuts
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/7/2023 9:53 pm
And weapons too
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 7/7/2023 9:58 pm
I cringed and laughed through some of this, now you have to as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmFg5qeyaJc
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Phil Salvador 8/7/2023 5:27 pm
Oh no it's that time again, it's National Video Game Day
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It only comes but twice a year
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This is a big year because Fatburger unveiled a new limited time gamer meal https://guiltyeats.com/2023/07/08/fatburger-unveils-meal-national-video-game-day/
Fatburger is making sure gamers feel the love on National Video Game Day with a Gamer Meal and a giveaway for some exciting prizes.
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Frank Cifaldi 8/7/2023 5:48 pm
This is the laziest gamer meal I've ever seen
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But I'm glad Fatburger is doing well, it was kind of a Vegas staple
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/7/2023 5:52 pm
Gamers dont eat lettuce
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(Okay, it's just me. I dont like lettuce.)
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S.M. Oliva 8/7/2023 5:52 pm
But Mountain Dew is okay?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/7/2023 5:53 pm
I dont drink soda too much anymore
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S.M. Oliva 8/7/2023 5:53 pm
Nor do I. And especially not Mountain Dew.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/7/2023 5:53 pm
ah, lettuce, the filler vegetable
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/7/2023 6:03 pm
I dont like lettuce texture even when its crispy.
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But I'm glad Fatburger is doing well, it was kind of a Vegas staple
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/7/2023 6:13 pm
If only CGE was still around for the synergy
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Frank Cifaldi 8/7/2023 6:37 pm
Ah yes stepping into the smoky haze of the Plaza, Fatburger in hand
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Phil Salvador 8/7/2023 6:44 pm
Wait yeah the gamer burger is mostly lettuce
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It's to coordinate colors with the Dew
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I dont like lettuce texture even when its crispy.
We talkin shredded or a leaf? Because shredded is definitely garbage filler but a good iceberg leaf brings much needed texture, along with tomato, onion, maybe a bit of toast on that bun
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Aka I had a in n out burger the other day and it hit the spot
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I need to see if there's fatburgers around here
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/7/2023 7:43 pm
Hate em both.
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Is this going to be one of those rare items that is so ugly it’s kitschy and coveted like those mickey mouse crt tvs in 20 years?
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S.M. Oliva 8/7/2023 7:48 pm
“They really used to put too much lettuce on burgers back then.”
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Phil Salvador 8/7/2023 7:48 pm
There will absolutely be a console variant collector whose holy grail is the gamer burger PS5
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S.M. Oliva 8/7/2023 7:51 pm
Just curious… how many food- themed console variants are there?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 8/7/2023 7:52 pm
more than there should be
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or perhaps fewer than there need to be
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there is in fact a Mountain Dew Xbox
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The developers at PopCap and wizards at EA Games have teamed up with Cheetos-brand products to bring you a couple of unique-looking consoles. Both the…
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these aren't really cheetos branded consoles but cheetos were part of the marketing push
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
there is in fact a Mountain Dew Xbox
Does it fit in the Series X Mini Fridge to help with cooling? 😂
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/7/2023 3:01 am
potentially, i don't quite feel like doing the napkin math on that but it would be funny if it did
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That's a nice green.
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Like the Casa Ole green salsa, or Nickelodeon slime.
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I love these tacky consoles
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definitely kitsch
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/7/2023 5:41 am
oh i just remembered also
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the Coca-Cola game gear
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and i could swear there was a Coke PSP but i can't find that now
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the coca-cola game gear!!!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/7/2023 5:44 am
only the Coke branded Minna no Golf game that's rare and expensive
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Someone I know in another discord has this and it's pretty sweet. I think it even has a custom startup screen with fizzy sfx
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Historians (and Wikipedia) take note: a copy of Zelda II purchased in the US in Nov 1988 (Nov. 10, to be precise). Pic via the purchaser, @III_Demon. cc @GameHistoryOrg @stevenplin
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 2:59 pm
Hi folks @here. Today, we're publishing the Survey of the Video Game Reissue Market in the United States, the first ever study of the commercial market for classic video games. We found that 87 percent of classic video games are out of print and critically endangered. This puts games in the same ballpark as pre-World War II music and silent film. Which is bad! With this study, we proved that the market isn't going to preserve game history, and that libraries and archives need more tools to get the job done themselves. We're working with the Software Preservation Network and Harvard Cyberlaw on a new push for copyright reform for video game preservation, and we think this study is going to reset the conversation. This wouldn't have been possible without our volunteer researchers from this Discord, so I want to call you out! I don't know everyone's Discord names, but huge thanks to @Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector", David Bielicka, @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch, @kory, Ken Carter, Nathanial Fine, Joe Keiser, @Justin H, @Tristan, @ando, Luis Perez, Miles Peterson-DeVinny, @Adrian S, @Jeremy Seith, and @Pasokon Deacon for spending hours gathering raw data for us. Your work is going to help the future of game preservation. We're only able to do things like this study because of everyone's ongoing support, so once again, thank you for being here and contributing! Post: https://gamehistory.org/87percent/ In-depth: https://gamehistory.org/study-explainer/ Full report: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7996492 (edited)
New study reveals most classic video games are completely unavailable
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 2:59 pm
WOO IT'S HERE
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Fantastic work, this makes it so much easier to show and explain to people that aren't in our circles.
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Only wish I had more time to do more… Awesome to see it!
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yeah, very nice to put numbers on this (edited)
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Wow, it's great to have a number we can present on this
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Very excited to read the full report
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 3:03 pm
Exactly. The way I've thought about it is that we're moving past anecdotes and now we're dealing with hard data. Nobody has ever tried to quantify this before, And we think the report is a good job explaining to a non-gamer audience why games are so bad about this in particular
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Hi folks @here. Today, we're publishing the Survey of the Video Game Reissue Market in the United States, the first ever study of the commercial market for classic video games. We found that 87 percent of classic video games are out of print and critically endangered. This puts games in the same ballpark as pre-World War II music and silent film. Which is bad! With this study, we proved that the market isn't going to preserve game history, and that libraries and archives need more tools to get the job done themselves. We're working with the Software Preservation Network and Harvard Cyberlaw on a new push for copyright reform for video game preservation, and we think this study is going to reset the conversation. This wouldn't have been possible without our volunteer researchers from this Discord, so I want to call you out! I don't know everyone's Discord names, but huge thanks to @Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector", David Bielicka, @Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch, @kory, Ken Carter, Nathanial Fine, Joe Keiser, @Justin H, @Tristan, @ando, Luis Perez, Miles Peterson-DeVinny, @Adrian S, @Jeremy Seith, and @Pasokon Deacon for spending hours gathering raw data for us. Your work is going to help the future of game preservation. We're only able to do things like this study because of everyone's ongoing support, so once again, thank you for being here and contributing! Post: https://gamehistory.org/87percent/ In-depth: https://gamehistory.org/study-explainer/ Full report: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7996492 (edited)
what's the best tweet to RT on this? (edited)
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what's the best tweet to RT on this? (edited)
Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 3:06 pm
An alarming 87% of classic video games released in the US are unavailable. Here’s why that matters. https://t.co/rV3aqLlZt0
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thanks!
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Kate Willært 10/7/2023 3:08 pm
Us: We need to get game availability and post-WWII film availability in line with each other Disney and Discovery: 🦹 Us: Not like that!
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It’s on threads too, and bluesky shortly
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This is fantastic. I can’t wait to read it all!
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 10/7/2023 3:11 pm
Awesome, glad to have some metrics to signal boost. Bless y'all for the hours of work. I owe many a root beer.
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Awesome, glad to have some metrics to signal boost. Bless y'all for the hours of work. I owe many a root beer.
Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 3:12 pm
Next time I'm in Fredericksburg
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This is fantastic. I can’t wait to read it all!
Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 3:13 pm
Oh yeah special shout out to Andy for helping me with the citations!
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Kate Willært 10/7/2023 3:23 pm
On a sort of related note, Bryan Lee O'Malley once went on a Twitter rant (on a long-since-deleted account) where he angrily explained why Scott Pilgrim was delisted, and the explanation was basically what Discover and Disney have been doing lately with movies and TV...the game was considered part of the movie's promo budget, and deleting it was an accounting move on the movie studio's part
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I suspect game companies are soon going to realize they can get the same result
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We really need to lobby to change the law so that claiming a tax break on entertainment that's gone out of production results in it being public domain, but I don't know what the process to make that happen would be
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 3:25 pm
you'd have to go up against the entirety of the entertainment industry to make that happen
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you'd run afoul of WB, Disney, and all the others
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george rohac 10/7/2023 3:26 pm
Oh yeah the Scott game was a fiasco. I worked at Oni Press at the time and it was a mess.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 3:27 pm
I think that's a bad idea anyways that would effect smaller companies who can't maintain consistent access more than the larger ones.
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My dream would be “if you write it off, you lose the rights”
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 3:29 pm
i'd argue you shouldn't be allowed to write it off at all, impose penalties for it
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nah I don’t care if you write it off as long as that suddenly makes it public domain
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I think I’d prefer that actually lol
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 3:29 pm
legally mandate that you pay 1+ years of residuals to all staff involved in its production
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Fine take your tax breaks, more free stuff for us!
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(I know it would never work that way I’m just in a dreaming mood)
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Kate Willært 10/7/2023 3:30 pm
Right, and the thing is, companies are so loath to lose the rights to anything, even things they haven't used in a century, that it'd effectively stop them from writing things off...they'd make greater effort to keep it available
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The thing with the write-off rule, from what I've read, is that it was designed around the concept of warehoused goods...the idea is that if you have old stock in a warehouse that you don't think you can sell, you can dump it and get a write-off (think: games in landfills)
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But Discovery has decided to see if they can get away with using the rule on digitial things
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And no one is challenging them
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And now other companies are going, oh that's smart, and jumping on board
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 3:33 pm
Legally speaking there's not really any basis for just taking rights away from a company so that's just a non-starter. At that point, just abolish copyright, which I'm sure some of y'all want to do but it's equally unrealistic. My dream is just to bring public domain back to only a few decades rather than an effective century.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 3:33 pm
congratulations, david zaslav, business innovation of the decade 🙄
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 3:34 pm
Friend of VGHF Meredith Rose has the radical proposal no one will go for that consumer software copyright should be shortened to 25 years
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 3:35 pm
I'd be up for anything 50 down. Preferrably lower but y'know.
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Phil Salvador
Friend of VGHF Meredith Rose has the radical proposal no one will go for that consumer software copyright should be shortened to 25 years
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 3:37 pm
It’s a very logical argument to make that would be a slog in congress but she is right
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Kate Willært 10/7/2023 3:43 pm
How would that work for updates/upgrades?
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MrFortyFive 10/7/2023 3:45 pm
I'm not sure where I would have intuitively placed that number, but 87% is startling. Thanks to all involved for putting this together
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In addition to this, the quality and quantity of data available through piracy for classic systems that are relatively easily digitise-able, still varies greatly. If its not a Nintendo cartridge, it generally gets the short end of the stick.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:07 pm
one only needs to look at the state of mobile phone game preservation
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Kate Willært
We really need to lobby to change the law so that claiming a tax break on entertainment that's gone out of production results in it being public domain, but I don't know what the process to make that happen would be
I'm honestly not sure that's feasible the way IP laws are structured, both in the US and internationally.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:07 pm
so many games are just gone forever unless somebody chances on an old phone that wasn't wiped
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Ethan Whitted 10/7/2023 4:10 pm
This is so awesome that the study is out! I hope the type of conversation we are having here begins to happen in other locations outside of dedicated game-preservation communities like this!
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 4:13 pm
That's the goal!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
so many games are just gone forever unless somebody chances on an old phone that wasn't wiped
Then there's the delivery model that relies on delivering content from servers that no longer exist. There's episodic games of course, but also games which relied on externally downloaded content files because filesize limitations require the base applications to be relatively small (edited)
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Yeah mobile's a mess
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:15 pm
you mentioning episodic games makes me remember this web service from 2001-ish, Freeloader.com
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I've still got some of the installers backed up but not anything important
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basically you'd get what amounts to full, commercial games, divided up into "episodes", by spending credits you'd earn by either playing their browser games or by clicking on advertisements
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they offered a handful of Take Two games that way, GTA 1 and 2, Hidden & Dangerous
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but there was also a unique game on there, a Wing Commander-like space flight sim called Halcyon Sun, and that was the only legit way to get the game in the US
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the tricky part being that it was one "episode" containing 1 or 2 missions, and downloading the speech packs for the cutscenes was an "episode" in itself
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the game is not lost though, because it did get a physical box release in the UK https://www.mobygames.com/game/41526/halcyon-sun/
Halcyon Sun is a dogfighting game set in space that mixes gameplay sequences with the narrative of a science fiction TV series. It was originally released for free and exclusively downloadable through the website Freeloader.com as an episodic series of...
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designed by a bunch of former SIMIS Ltd. staff that worked on Terracide
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Ethan Whitted 10/7/2023 4:21 pm
When it comes to printed games that got Day 1 patches (or large content updates later) is there any way to preserve that content once the digital shops go down?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:21 pm
largely depends on the game or service, as i understand it
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yeah you could dump the data from a PC, but the fidelity of that data depends on the service
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and if the user kept the original patch installer, if that was even an option
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:22 pm
with the 3DS we're presently seeing that in execution right now, because while you can still get the updates through Nintendo for downloaded games, getting the DLC seems to depend on whether the person preserving the game managed to capture those downloads too (plus whatever authentication the game does to make sure your data was downloaded by you)
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with the 3DS we're presently seeing that in execution right now, because while you can still get the updates through Nintendo for downloaded games, getting the DLC seems to depend on whether the person preserving the game managed to capture those downloads too (plus whatever authentication the game does to make sure your data was downloaded by you)
Ethan Whitted 10/7/2023 4:23 pm
Oh, fascinating..
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:24 pm
like if you're using the... i forget what it's called, the hShop app, to download your 3DS games, sometimes the DLC is included in the .cia package, sometimes it's posted as a separate .cia
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or sometimes the DLC was not captured and you only get the game itself
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hshop is basically a user-friendly subset of the data that was captured directly from the CDN
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there are a few things here or there that weren't captured (and some that still aren't), and had to be dumped from individual's consoles
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but the piracy situation for nintendo digital content is relatively good
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i can name/link sites that have that CDN data hosted, but maybe the mods won't want me to :P
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although you'll see them labelled as "No-Intro CDN" sets, and find metadata for it under the same name (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
designed by a bunch of former SIMIS Ltd. staff that worked on Terracide
i worked on Terracide! (but not Halcyon Sun.)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 4:29 pm
Terracide's pretty neat (once one gets it to work 😅 )
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it was really more of an early 3D card showcase than an amazing game, but it's a fun Descent-y shooter if you can deal with the cockpit moving independently of the viewport (motion sickness time :P)
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but yeah generally digital stuff seems to be the "worst pirated", and especially, as you say, mobile games (edited)
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Congrats on publishing the study! Happy to have been able to help 🙂
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it was really more of an early 3D card showcase than an amazing game, but it's a fun Descent-y shooter if you can deal with the cockpit moving independently of the viewport (motion sickness time :P)
Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 5:12 pm
tbh that's half the reason i think it's cool, you just didn't see games doing full 3D cockpit like that, kinda gives you a stronger sense of being in your vehicle
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 5:31 pm
Games from older consoles are being made less and less available to the point so much of the industry's history could easily vanish without any real effort.
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oh boy cant wait to see ESA's comment
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 5:39 pm
"We are disappointed that our friends at the Video Game History Foundation have chosen to publish..."
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"This only demonstrates the need for even STRONGER copyright laws..."
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they're scheduling meetings as we type
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It's funny to think that the original copyright term established by the First Congress was 14 years. And Thomas Jefferson, who was in charge of copyrights at the time as Secretary of State, thought that was way too long.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 5:42 pm
lousy Berne Convention
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Europe ruined everything
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Europe ruined everything
Especially the Dutch!
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It's funny to think that the original copyright term established by the First Congress was 14 years. And Thomas Jefferson, who was in charge of copyrights at the time as Secretary of State, thought that was way too long.
Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 5:43 pm
ought to leverage that the same way the NRA does with this is what our founding fathers wanted etc etc 😉
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Especially the Dutch!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
ought to leverage that the same way the NRA does with this is what our founding fathers wanted etc etc 😉
Federalist No. 34 is clearly talking about the PlayStation 2.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 5:44 pm
John Hancock clearly just wanted free Netflix
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 5:44 pm
I'm certain that the copyright argument for original intent has been made before, but it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I'm certain that the copyright argument for original intent has been made before, but it has nothing to do with the Constitution.
Oh yeah, i remember when the Supreme Court upheld the Bono Act's retroactive extension.This was all litigated then. (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 5:45 pm
why can't the supreme court reactionaries be that way about copyright law
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why is it about the things that one shouldn't be reactionary about
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MrFortyFive 10/7/2023 5:46 pm
If we're going to take this back to the founders we should clearly just throw the ESA into the harbor as an act of defiance
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
why can't the supreme court reactionaries be that way about copyright law
I'd point out the opinion upholding the retroactive extension of copyrights was written by RBG.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 5:46 pm
Don't need 'em anymore. Free speech in vidja has been decided.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 5:47 pm
yeah but she was never a reactionary
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/7/2023 5:47 pm
right, no taxation (game sales to copyright owners) without representation (games available to actually buy)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 5:47 pm
very much an institutionalist
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
yeah but she was never a reactionary
Sure, but the Court said that they wouldn't stop Congress from continuing to extend copyright terms so long as some theoretical limit existed.
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How do we convince hbomberguy to do a 3 hour video on the study and how many pages of sonic fanfic is it going to cost me
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 5:48 pm
More than half
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loosens tie and whistles
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honestly not sure if tweets like this are helpful or not https://twitter.com/ModernVintageG/status/1678429320933695489
Emulation is what has, and will always, save video games
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I mean, he's right, but that's also the problem.
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 5:55 pm
I think we need to distinguish between "emulation as a preservation tool" vs "emulation so I can download all the games I want"
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I like the approach of it being a very important tool in a broader toolset. (edited)
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"i can download supermariobros.nes" doesn't mean preservation (legal or not) is in a good state (edited)
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Hey, sorry I’m late to the party, but congrats @Phil Salvador and everyone at the vghf for putting this together! So glad I could be a part of it, this is huge, can’t wait to read the whole thing face_07
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My knowledge of arcade games would be dramatically worse without MAME just simply due to the nature of arcade cabs as giant physical objects, and if I were to gather college level materials for study of arcade games it would be included as a major asset. This is entirely besides using it to play pac-man for my amusement and leisure.
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Which I know isn't mindblowing stuff, just underscoring liking the tool approach as it more clearly reflects its value, imo.
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Video game preservation is okay as long as nobody's having fun.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 6:14 pm
Way ahead of you
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Nobody is playing NES Rambo for joy
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The gorillas will steal any happiness your heart may hold
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Phil Salvador
I think we need to distinguish between "emulation as a preservation tool" vs "emulation so I can download all the games I want"
And emulation only covering things that are playable artifacts
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My knowledge of arcade games would be dramatically worse without MAME just simply due to the nature of arcade cabs as giant physical objects, and if I were to gather college level materials for study of arcade games it would be included as a major asset. This is entirely besides using it to play pac-man for my amusement and leisure.
I maintain that the documentation that MAME does is equally as important, if not more so, for longterm preservation
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Very much agreed
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Phil Salvador
I think we need to distinguish between "emulation as a preservation tool" vs "emulation so I can download all the games I want"
To be precise, theres no direct relation between "emulation" and "I can download all the games I want". You can download all the games you want even if its not a emulator for it and vice-versa. Unless we are talking specifically about an emulator which has a download tool built-in.
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And emulation only covering things that are playable artifacts
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 6:49 pm
rip to all those TTL games no one cares to write emulators for as a hobbyist
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In an email to Game Developer, the ESA responded to the VGHF's allegations of repeatedly interfering with video game preservation. The organization says it "and its member companies are committed to, and actively support, professional efforts to preserve video games and do so in ways that do not jeopardize future economic opportunity for their creative works." "The game industry's creative and economic vitality depend on strong copyright protections."
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Such a non statement
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lmao
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So many words to say literally nothing
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impressive
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have they ever said what they suppoesedly do exactly
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 6:56 pm
Welcome to all organzaitional statements (edited)
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have they ever said what they suppoesedly do exactly
lol
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"Professional efforts." Stupid amateurs.
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"we support the profitability of publishers so they can (not) preserve things themselves"
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 6:58 pm
That is definitely a line that the next copyright argument should pick up on. What are these "professional efforts" and how much have they actually done to support availability for research? (edited)
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this is almost as good as “we support legitimate preservation” line from last time
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This reminds me of arguments software companies used in the 80s when they didn't want customers copying programs to hard disks."Well we support legitimate customer needs..."
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 7:02 pm
Hope someone is taking notes. The best legal tactic is to use a vehement argument against your opponent.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 7:04 pm
I almost feel bad for their PR officer
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I know the answer here is probably nobody knows but when you pull up an old movie from amazon or the likes and go into the listing details and it has info such as director, producers, etc.. most if not all list the Studio.
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That is probably just a listing of the original production studio and not who is currently making it available on said platform (though they could be one and the same)
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Is it known who actually goes through the bother of making all these movies from 1987 or whenever available?
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How does Fox make the case for it, assuming it is them in this example
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(I know the discussion is broader than just commercial availability, mind)
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Could it be the other way around where platforms like amazon or netflix proposition studios for their catalog?
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comment on my newsletter which referenced the VGHF research: "Thanks for flagging the problem of disappearing games. I wrote about some potential legal solutions to the problem here: https://www.bu.edu/bulawreview/files/2021/10/LEMLEY.pdf "
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(that article sure has a lot of citations)
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Ooh I want to dig into this later (also thinks for including us in your newsletter!)
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 7:51 pm
Oh nice, bookmarking
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 8:57 pm
A study finds that just 13% of video games from the pre-2010 era are commercially available, and it's hurting efforts to preserve video gaming history.
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 9:41 pm
In the first study on the commercial availability of classic games, only 13 percent have been preserved as of now
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 10:08 pm
I'm glad I caught onto the headline early 😉 (edited)
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Least Weasel 10/7/2023 11:29 pm
I have to ask so that I can defend against this because my wife isn't going to be the only one to say it -- "I bet most of it was crap, so it's ok." How to counter that?
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"Well how else are we going to teach people what not to do if we can't learn from the mistakes of the past?"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/7/2023 11:31 pm
Ultimately who gets to arbitrate what is worthy of being saved and what isn’t
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Also, history isn’t just a highlights reel.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 11:31 pm
Less high-mindedly, the counter question is, "And? Does that mean it should be inaccessible?"
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 11:32 pm
We were just on a podcast where our reply was "imagine if the only movies were Star Wars"
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lol
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 11:32 pm
Having a diversity of art is a good thing
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We were just on a podcast where our reply was "imagine if the only movies were Star Wars"
Or worse, "imagine if the only movies were the George Lucas revisions of Star Wars" (edited)
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 11:33 pm
I had to navigate Persona 3 vs FES vs Portable vs Reload on this call, so that's not far off
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most of van gogh is crap compared to starry night, so its ok to burn all his other works
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I'm kinda thinking in addition to the above "how can you know it's bad unless we're able to check?"
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The crap is part of the story. In many cases it's the majority of the story.
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Least Weasel 10/7/2023 11:38 pm
Well done guys, you shut her up 😉
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Van Gogh was the winning argument
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If only the Copyright Office were as easy to wear down.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 11:39 pm
Off the Star Wars comparison, imagine if only the top 10 films from each year were available for viewing. Entire genres, eradicated from the record because they didn't crack that spot. That's where games are currently at.
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 11:43 pm
Unless you knew to visit moviesparadise.estonia where the only surviving copy of John Carter is kept, and you have to watch it in a special command-line Linux program
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Least Weasel 10/7/2023 11:44 pm
Wow -- that's -- yeah, I've done the equivalent.
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And you have to make sure you click the right link or it's like that scene in Holy Grail
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 11:46 pm
There are a lot of scenes in Holy Grail
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The selective argument is weird to me in particular with digital. Physical I can see a little more, but you can basically keep a few decades of all video games and probably a lot of the ephemera on a a single large capacity disk, and dramatically more on a NAS. Decades and decades in a footprint smaller than a suitcase. (edited)
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Phil Salvador 10/7/2023 11:49 pm
A new study conducted by the Video Game History Foundation has found that 87 percent of games released in the U.S. before 2010 are not commercially available, which it says is comparable to silent movies and says endangers game preservation.
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There are a lot of scenes in Holy Grail
Least Weasel 10/7/2023 11:49 pm
Extremely true
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"We deleted all of the 80's... now that all this clutter is removed we have like 1 TB free. Excellent work everyone"
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Least Weasel 10/7/2023 11:50 pm
The one where Indiana Jones has to grab the right cup or he dies.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/7/2023 11:50 pm
OH you're talking about an entirely different movie than what I was thinking
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T_S_Kimball 11/7/2023 12:09 am
This is why I've kept some of the books I have, such as the Cloakmaster Cycle (aka the Spelljammer novels). Its not even close to being a good book tie-in series (for various reasons), but I argue that it should be e-booked for exactly that reason. We need to learn from these examples, so its important to have samples of what didn't work too, and why.
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I also have the first four 'Worlds of Power" NES tie-in stories.
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Just look at The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet. At this stage essentially nothing would be known about it if some kid in Germany wasn't recording songs off the radio. And yes, its signifigance is likely just novel mystery, but so little is known hard to say.
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But also now it has slightly increased in cultural cachet because it is tied to an extremely popular Doom mod. (edited)
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A song nobody has probably paid any mind for 40 years. (edited)
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Jeremy Seith 11/7/2023 1:28 am
it is absolutely sick to have worked on something that invokes nolf. yes (edited)
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I have to ask so that I can defend against this because my wife isn't going to be the only one to say it -- "I bet most of it was crap, so it's ok." How to counter that?
Jeremy Seith 11/7/2023 2:10 am
nothing is anything until you're looking for something, then even a scrap can be everything
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/7/2023 2:12 am
as an anecdote, i'd like to cite the fact that we (the community) figured out what happened to a thought-canceled PC game, because of screenshots of it that were on a Walnut Creek shovelware CD full of GIF images from 1994
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Shovelware is life!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/7/2023 2:16 am
like, this happened in this very server 5 years ago when somebody noticed this come up on a twitter bot that just posts random contents from that CD https://twitter.com/gifs_bot/status/960895873935921152
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all anybody had really known about this game on the internet before then was the title, in a magazine ad that was basically just saying "coming soon"
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and then somebody recognized the art style and was like "wait is this just Laser Lords on the CD-i?"
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and it is
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For the most part, its PC that is dying the hardest. There's many PC games that you cant even find by name anymore, they're that gone and forgotten.
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Jeremy Seith 11/7/2023 2:18 am
all my moby contributions are pc games i'd never play but somebody might wanna!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/7/2023 2:19 am
i salute folks like you, and eXodos and the like, for just keeping copies of the games and information together
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Yea, and it aint just physical either. Its messed that even digitial games, even nowadays, are so easy to disappear.
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We sometimes forget how much smaller the PC market was back in the day versus console. I was interviewing the owner of a small PC software company from the 1980s earlier today,. I asked him how much he sold of a particular game and he said “maybe 10,000 copies.” And at the time he was happy with that.
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And all the efforts that companies are making to make almost certain they're gone for good too, DRMs and all
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Jason Scott 11/7/2023 2:45 am
Join author Laine Nooney for a VIRTUAL reading from their new book, followed by a conversation with historian Finn Brunton.
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Now you can enjoy it online instead of just in person.
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(In person was fun)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
OH you're talking about an entirely different movie than what I was thinking
I thought he was referring to the scene where Indiana Jones has to punish all the virgins for lighting the Grail-shaped beacon...
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Jason Scott 11/7/2023 3:06 am
391 likes, 28 comments. “#greenscreen #videogames #gamestudies ”
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 3:58 am
Reading the Twitter replies is mind-numbing. Can't wait until this hits the podcastosphere and they somehow get it even more wrong.
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Phil Salvador 11/7/2023 4:11 am
Enough people are getting the point that I feel good about it
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Computer Chronicles Revisited looks at a landmark study on the disappearance of classic video games.
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Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 3:40 pm
Excellent read, thank you! I've notice the "chain of ownership" thing popping up recently in the world of video game IP ownership. One big one that sticks to mind is how the only reason that the TurboGrafx-16 game The Legendary Axe was excluded from the TG16/PC Engine mini consoles is that nobody could figure out who owned the rights to the game. That hurts, because that game earned a lot of well-deserved praise and awards in its day. (edited)
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It was the game that taught me stamina management decades before demon's/dark souls
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At least I think it was my introduction. I go back and forth on whether the p-meter in SMB3 is technically a stamina bar.
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heh, Evercade using the VGHF announce for marketing: (edited)
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A recent study by @GameHistoryOrg found a whopping 87% of classic video games are "critically endangered". Find out more here: https://t.co/66QhZ3OaO1 We're proud to be doing our bit to help the situation by making oft-forgotten titles readily available to modern audiences.
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Frank Cifaldi 11/7/2023 4:06 pm
My favorite was the Bloop Museum QTing and saying this is why you should donate games to them
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 4:08 pm
god I forgot about the bloop museum
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I feel like every state has those guys
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Least Weasel 11/7/2023 4:48 pm
I just tried to look them up and they don't have an independent website outside of social media. That's ... wow
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Websites are sooooo 2000s.
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Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 5:01 pm
Not really, my day job is web developer, and I still get requests for custom websites (I don't do freelance since I got a job for an actual big boy business.) (edited)
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Oh I was kidding. I do website content development myself. lol
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That really was the default in my circles of web nerd. I have several websites, whether hand coded or developed from a WP template or something (edited)
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Now ya need at least a linktree. Certainly not just a facebook page
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I'm auctioning off a very rare item: The North American Sega Genesis Mini "Tower of Power." This item was only sent to select members of the media as a promotion for the launch of the Genesis Mini. 100% of the proceeds go to @GameHistoryOrg! Good luck. https://t.co/wZqDeZwZU3
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I was so tempted to get the JP one.
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Karateka coming 2023 (4 playable versions including an all-new remaster from Digital Eclipse) https://t.co/zdESoGphxl
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new digital eclipse joint (edited)
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'gold master series'
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 11/7/2023 6:09 pm
ooooh
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looking forward to walking off that cliff in 256 glorious colors
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Aah I'm excited for this! I also still haven't nabbed Atari 50 yet, but happy to see that this is kind of building off of that structure?
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Glad it was announced finally 🙂
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:19 pm
This has tons of potential, props to the DE team
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:22 pm
Deathbounce footage is neat to have in a game
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:22 pm
Hopefully even playable? 😮
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:22 pm
that's the dream
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:23 pm
I didn't notice any Broderbund people in the trailer so I'll be curious if they got anybody on that side as well.
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It has playable Deathbounce, plus new versions
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I know I streamed it at one point
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:25 pm
Hell ya, exclusive secrets
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Should be in the id@xbox post
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:26 pm
next, Frank needs to petition DE for Dogpatch Gold Master Series
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:26 pm
The dream
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The Making of Karateka is coming to Xbox Series X|S and Xbox One. This "interactive documentary" about the debut game from Prince of Persia creator Jordan Mechner is the first in the new series of playable histories about classic games.
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"And, of course, you’ll get to play games – not just the finished retail versions of Karateka, but also several unfinished prototypes, including the original version that Jordan pitched to publishers. We’ve even included several prototype versions of Deathbounce, an arcade-style shooting game that Jordan was creating before he started on Karateka. Never released back in the day, Deathbounce is getting its first official release as part of The Making of Karateka."
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"Last but not least, we’ve even created an all-new version of the unreleased game Deathbounce, called Deathbounce: Rebounded, a fast and furious twin-stick shooter built on Jordan Mechner’s original ideas, sketches, and notes. "
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:27 pm
My dream remaster would be all the random early 3D computer games. "FPS Before Hell" (even though they aren't all shooters)
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I only have a rough idea of what @Chris Kohler and co are cooking up, but I can't wait.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
My dream remaster would be all the random early 3D computer games. "FPS Before Hell" (even though they aren't all shooters)
My kingdom for a 60fps Vette!
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:28 pm
We're not really holding back any info about this, so feel free to AMA!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:28 pm
Will Jordan Mechner come to life and give me a sandwich if I buy this game
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:28 pm
No!
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I only wish we had the Applesauce fully up and going at the beginning of all this
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:29 pm
Jordan's four versions of Deathbounce are all playable, and there's even Deathbounce: Rebounded, an all new remake by us!
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(It images Apple disks)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:29 pm
(We actually sell Jordan Mechner prints and his Paris books at our museum)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:29 pm
what versions of Karateka are on there? Apple II seems pretty clear
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Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 6:29 pm
Timed exclusivity, or Xbox locked?
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:29 pm
Apple II, Commodore 64, and Atari 8-bit are the originals. There's also Karateka Remastered, by us.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:30 pm
good move dodging the 7800 version if you want people to like the game
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:30 pm
No exclusivity. Will release at the same time for Xbox, PlayStation, PC, Switch.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:30 pm
Are any Broderbund people involved?
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Chris Kohler
We're not really holding back any info about this, so feel free to AMA!
is the princess playable?
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yeah she's probably too powerful
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can't balance it
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:31 pm
I pushed and pushed and pushed to get everyone who was involved in the original game, and am excited to say that Doug Carlston, Lauren Elliott, and Veda Cook are all interviewed in the video segments! They were great
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:31 pm
Awesome work.
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Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 6:31 pm
I did suggest to Mike Mika that he create a Mariko mode for Karateka Remastered, but he didn't. So it's not for lack of me trying.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 11/7/2023 6:32 pm
I've always dreamed of the idea of doing the "interactive documentary" idea so I'm excited to see how it actually manifests in the game itself. Is there anything the team had to abandon as an idea with this?
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yeah she's probably too powerful
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 11/7/2023 6:33 pm
it would admittedly be very funny to have a mode where it's just her one-shotting everyone
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Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 6:34 pm
About how much video should we expect? (edited)
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Nic McConnell 11/7/2023 6:44 pm
What you all are doing at Digital Eclipse has me as excited as I’ve ever been about video games. Thank you!
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Chris Kohler
We're not really holding back any info about this, so feel free to AMA!
This is a really cool idea, excited to check it out!
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Ethan Whitted 11/7/2023 7:09 pm
Not to derail the Karateka convo, but in case anyone here is interested realized I should post this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nfpublishing/the-impact-of-iwata
A new book chronicling the life and achievements of Nintendo's legendary president, Satoru Iwata!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I've always dreamed of the idea of doing the "interactive documentary" idea so I'm excited to see how it actually manifests in the game itself. Is there anything the team had to abandon as an idea with this?
Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 7:16 pm
Yes, but we're saving those ideas for future projects 🙂
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Nic McConnell
What you all are doing at Digital Eclipse has me as excited as I’ve ever been about video games. Thank you!
Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 7:16 pm
Thanks for all your support!
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Reverend Crush
About how much video should we expect? (edited)
Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 7:16 pm
A little over an hour!
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Chris Kohler
A little over an hour!
Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 7:25 pm
Yeah I'm preordering on that alone. I suck at Karateka, but I'd love playing it while learning what all went into it.
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Yeah I'm preordering on that alone. I suck at Karateka, but I'd love playing it while learning what all went into it.
Chris Kohler 11/7/2023 7:34 pm
That's totally the idea -- the documentary is the main attraction! You don't need to be good at Karateka to explore absolutely everything this has to offer. (There's even a Chapter Select feature so you can just skip around within the games and play the various parts!)
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Let us borrow titles digitally from libraries like we can books and movies, say 'puter historians
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Chris Kohler
That's totally the idea -- the documentary is the main attraction! You don't need to be good at Karateka to explore absolutely everything this has to offer. (There's even a Chapter Select feature so you can just skip around within the games and play the various parts!)
Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 7:39 pm
I bought Atari50 for the same reasons; I don't view that era with the same rose-colored lens as I do the NES, but I cut my teeth on the 2600. The documentary aspect was what I was most interested in, but I ended up playing the games more than I thought I would.
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Let us borrow titles digitally from libraries like we can books and movies, say 'puter historians 'puter historians...
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Let us borrow titles digitally from libraries like we can books and movies, say 'puter historians 'puter historians...
‘puterians?
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Reverend Crush 11/7/2023 8:31 pm
As someone who has lived in Georgia most of his life, I can confirm that "Puter" has been in southerners' vocabulary for quiet some time now.
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Least Weasel 11/7/2023 8:54 pm
As a southerner, can confirm
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Phil Salvador 11/7/2023 10:52 pm
@MonsterDunk Great segment today, thank you
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 2:22 am
@Chris Kohler Wait'll I choose something so obscure to give this treatment
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(I actually had a phone call with John E. Dell, creator of Drugwars)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/7/2023 2:36 am
Battle of the Eras Gold Master Series, with the only copies selling to me, Phil, and those people who started speedrunning the game
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Chris Kohler
We're not really holding back any info about this, so feel free to AMA!
Kate Willært 12/7/2023 2:52 am
Does it include cut content like the big cat
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Kate Willært
Does it include cut content like the big cat
Chris Kohler 12/7/2023 2:53 am
Yep!
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And how!
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Jason Scott
@Chris Kohler Wait'll I choose something so obscure to give this treatment
Chris Kohler 12/7/2023 2:56 am
Ideally, if this works and people understand it's about yet documentary, not just the games, we really could do something obscure if the story around it is compelling!
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 2:56 am
I’m really curious about his pre-Broderbund original version as far as the life meters…did it have them? Did they look different? Labeled different? Do I have to wait until it’s released to see a screenshot of it?
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Phil Salvador 12/7/2023 2:57 am
I really love that it's not "The Karateka Colletion" or "Karateka Ultimate Edition" or something, it's "The Making of Karateka"
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 2:57 am
Yeah
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Chris Kohler 12/7/2023 3:06 am
We haven't released this shot yet but here you go 🙂
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And yes we do explain why and how they changed from solid lines to arrows 🙂
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 3:10 am
These were all these disks I loved imaging when I had them
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Asteroid Blaster (also Star Blaster) was created by Jordan Mechner in 1980 for the Apple II. It is a clone of the Atari arcade game Asteroids.After completing...
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(this was my favorite find)
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A variant of Asteroids which gets a lot of attention because it was made in 1982 by Jordan Mechner. While the game was shown to a possible publisher in 1982...
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Chris Kohler 12/7/2023 3:11 am
Yes! This all goes back to finding those floppies.
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 3:12 am
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Anyway, I'm excited to see your thing
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Chris Kohler
We haven't released this shot yet but here you go 🙂
Kate Willært 12/7/2023 3:23 am
Interesting, interesting…🤔
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/7/2023 3:24 am
なんでゲームのデジタルアーカイブ化に法規制がかかるのかというと、DMCAでプロテクト回避が禁止されているのでコピーが取れないから。しかし来年の法改正ではゲームアーカイブに対する例外措置も検討されているそうで、そうなればサービス終了したWiiや3DSのeショップのエミュレートにも道が拓ける。
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ビデオゲーム歴史保存協会(Video Game History Foundation)と、ソフトウェアの保存を推進する団体であるSoftware Preservation Networkの共同調査により、アメリカでリリースされたゲームの9割近くが合法的な手段では入手できなくなっていることがわかりました。古典的な書籍や映画などはアーカイブされ広く公開されていますが、ゲームは法規制や業界団体の反対にはばまれて保存や共有が進まないため、ゲーム文化や歴史が消えてしまうことが危惧されています。
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 3:55 pm
Next week (July 17-21), Jason Scott (that's me) will be at the Internet Archive's Physical Archive HQ in Richmond, California, doing a variety of long-overdue assessment and ingestion tasks, across a wide range of materials. This includes software, paper, audiotape, and looking over various treasures given to the Archive over the past few years. In general, I will be there during business hours, running a variety of complicated tasks in the additional offices that are located there. I'm inviting people who might have an interest in assisting me, observing the process, or just asking me questions to contact me at jason@textfiles.com if you wish to discuss being a part of this. There are no funds or payment involved, although I expect to go on lunch runs nearby. This is either an amazing opportunity for someone seeing this, or something you glad you don't have to do. Either way, thanks for considering.
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 5:38 pm
I am sure the Karateka master edition is not going to mention how cool the Mechner house in the US is, but I visited it in 1986-1987 and
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"It's so modern. It's ultramodern, like living in the not-too-distant future."
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 5:39 pm
It's built in 1969, and the middle part (the "seashell part in the center" is a terrariam
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I have a memory that David (and maybe Jordan) were not fans of the fact it could leak, but as a visiting 16 year old woooooooooooooooooooooo
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i had no idea that Mechner's dad was so accomplished
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 5:41 pm
Only fair to show my house in Chappaqua at the time:
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(The garage has an addition over it now, and it wasn't yellow when I lived in it)
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And yes, the secret to Jordan and David being so amazing in their fields is that their parents were extremely accomplished and could encourage everything
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David became a master of Go, then transitioned to academia, then other things
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And also: jumping
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/7/2023 5:45 pm
The whole story is a real family affair, which is very unique.
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Jason Scott 12/7/2023 5:46 pm
oh shit, deathbounce
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So, like, I've been looking at this project but not LOOKING LOOKING at it
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 7:07 pm
I'm pretty hyped
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Frank Cifaldi 12/7/2023 8:23 pm
yeah a crazy amount of respect in here for deathbounce
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 8:32 pm
The biggest problem with this interactive doc is deciding what platform I want it on...you never have to think about that with non-interactive documentaries
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Or I guess maybe you have to think about it sometimes, when there was a format war happening, like HD-DVD and BluRay
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Can you imagine if every console generation had one clear winner that resulted in all the others dropping out completely?
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Ethan Whitted 12/7/2023 8:38 pm
What is deathbounce?
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 8:39 pm
It's the game he pitched to Broderbund and was rejected before he pitched Karateka
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It was never released, but mentioned in the journals he published (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 12/7/2023 8:40 pm
and very polished/done
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/7/2023 8:40 pm
there's a couple builds out there, including one the Strong's got
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 8:40 pm
(Also, I believe its playable at The Strong by request, but I needed to stay focused)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/7/2023 8:40 pm
I imagine his asteroids clone was probably outside the remit of the Karateka reissue
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Ethan Whitted 12/7/2023 8:44 pm
Oh gotcha
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Thanks!
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Kate Willært 12/7/2023 8:44 pm
I hope the rejection letter is in there somewhere
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Kate Willært
The biggest problem with this interactive doc is deciding what platform I want it on...you never have to think about that with non-interactive documentaries
Jeremy Seith 12/7/2023 9:01 pm
i missed my chance to see Shoah on film in a museum screening room because i had to go to a baby's birthday party and now that program has been dismantled. i can't watch a 9.5hr doc at home (edited)
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Jason Scott 13/7/2023 1:58 am
A variant of Asteroids which gets a lot of attention because it was made in 1982 by Jordan Mechner. While the game was shown to a possible publisher in 1982...
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This is the original copy of deathbounce, copied by me and Tony Diaz in 2012, which is what the strong has, playable in browser.
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Kate Willært 13/7/2023 4:42 pm
Ah cool
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My sis just texted me about how ‘NPR’s doing a story about the 87% video game history foundation’ study. Glad it’s gaining attention! That’s an eye-catching number for sure.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/7/2023 6:06 pm
Frank yesterday: "I want people to see this on NPR." Frank today:
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/7/2023 6:07 pm
next stop: PBS
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it's going to be on i think 3 NPR shows by the time all is said and done?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/7/2023 6:14 pm
maybe you can get scooped by science friday while you're at it
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Phil Salvador 13/7/2023 6:15 pm
I think Marketplace was the best interview I did, for sure
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Least Weasel 13/7/2023 6:17 pm
Congratulations guys!!!
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Ooh that Kai Ryssdal coverage
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Kate Willært 13/7/2023 6:23 pm
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Frank Cifaldi 13/7/2023 7:25 pm
no Kai unfortunately
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I was thinking about science friday too, trying to come up with another show
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my best hope is it's a question on wait wait don't tell me
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Phil Salvador 13/7/2023 7:50 pm
Another good article that gets the point of the study: https://www.pcgamer.com/study-finds-over-87-percent-of-games-are-unplayable-without-resorting-to-piracy-scavenger-hunts-or-travelling-to-an-archive/
Then again in 2021, the ESA argued again that the preservation of video games was "addressed adequately" by the current exemptions, something which the Video Game History Foundation has just thrown into harsh doubt.
The study by the Video Game History Foundation is a major step towards video game preservation.
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Phil Salvador 13/7/2023 9:12 pm
It's reaching internationally now. Australian archivists weighing in on the same problems we are https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/vintage-video-games-at-risk-of-extinction/102599914
Research into the American video game market has found 87% of video games released before 2010 are no longer commercially available.
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Nate Lockhart 13/7/2023 9:13 pm
Welp, you're all famous now
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Phil is the hero the world needs right now.
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Least Weasel 13/7/2023 11:15 pm
Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Bat-Phil!
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Video games are a form of art and a form of expression. While that used to be somewhat controversial to state decades ago, nobody of any value really argues that point any longer. And the moment yo…
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Y'all are never getting jobs at the ESA after all this
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Always remember that there are still treasures out there. Someone I do #arcade tech work for recently picked up a cache of sealed #Nintendo PC10 carts, with some rarities in the mix. We're still going through the lot, but this is one of the most amazing finds I've ever seen.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/7/2023 2:37 pm
Oh nice
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sealed Yo Noid PlayChoice-10 box is AN ARTIFACT
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Rockin' Kats and Power Blade are absolute bangers of games, but you could have given me like 100 guesses as to PC10 games and I doubt I would have stumbled on them as picks.
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Reverend Crush 14/7/2023 3:59 pm
Trying to imagine how many credits it'd take someone to speedrun Mega Man 3 on PC10. I knew someone who did it in like 30 minutes when I was showing him my MiSTer.
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did the PC-10 games have any changes from the original games (other than the timer) like the vs. system games did?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/7/2023 4:17 pm
I don't think so
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Reverend Crush 14/7/2023 4:20 pm
I think some versions (maybe all?) of PC-10 Metroid had a map on a second screen. So that's also a thing.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/7/2023 4:41 pm
Oh that's rad, I had no idea. It's just an ASCII map but it's still a clever use of that second useless screen
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Reverend Crush 14/7/2023 4:44 pm
Yeah, I didn't know about it unti recently and the PC-10 version of Metroid was how I first played the game. I don't really remember since I was like six or seven when I first played it. (edited)
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(i was also unaware)
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is there a good article anywhere about second screen use on playchoice 10?
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LongwoodGeek 14/7/2023 5:17 pm
Did you all see that Philip DeFranco quoted the VGHF in a video recently? Think it was today but TikTok is weird on when stuff shows up.
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After 20 incredible years, I have decided to take a step back and work on the next chapter of my career. As I take a moment and think about all we have done together, I want to thank the millions of gamers around the world who have included me as part of their lives. (1/3) 💖 294
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I'm glad that the framing they picked up on is "the games you can get commercially are the profitable ones" (edited)
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just to warn y'all Twitter users
11:24 am
How to set DMs to everyone:
  • Set DMs to people you follow only.
  • Exit the page
  • Go back and set to everyone. It will work that way.
https://t.co/aFrZ03XPGl
11:25 am
just setting DM working to everyone is not enough lol
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because of course it doesn't work proper when you set it from Verified only
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Frank Cifaldi 15/7/2023 1:20 pm
Thanks, I set it to all users yesterday and didn't even consider that it hasn't worked, and this showed me that it didn't
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 1:25 pm
I've been getting too much spam so I had to turn open DMs off.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 2:11 pm
Very interesting thread for those who like the history. Sega stuff has been coming out non-stop lately. https://twitter.com/VGDensetsu/status/1680197677697433601
According to Sega engineer Masami Ishikawa, discussions took place between Kazuhiko Nishi and Hideki Sato (circa 1983), supposedly to suggest that Sega opt for the MSX format rather than release a computer that was not compatible with the MSX standard. https://t.co/lsOm6SWjeB
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Nate Lockhart 15/7/2023 2:27 pm
Going to see the Strong Museum expansion for myself today!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 2:27 pm
Woop
3:10 pm
not sure how beloved, but atari is going for a lunar lander reboot
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Phil Salvador 15/7/2023 3:11 pm
Are they gonna license McDonald's
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 3:13 pm
By the way we have been trying to bring Moonlander back to Apple tablets. Just a few things to work out.
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not sure how beloved, but atari is going for a lunar lander reboot
It says "fan-favorite." So they only need one!
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they are now attempting to locate the fan (edited)
3:24 pm
(i think lunar lander is cool, but IP-wise it suffers from the same thing that a lot of the Atari games do, in that it was so early that the franchises don't really have a specific graphical style or 'flavor')
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Phil Salvador 15/7/2023 3:26 pm
Digital Eclipse nailed it with VCTR-SCTR, which was more about tone than it was about a specific game
3:27 pm
But a feeling isn't an IP, yeah
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/7/2023 3:56 pm
They’ve done these kinds of remakes for a while now with those recharged games
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feels weird to call lunar lander IP, like trying to make a georges melies cinematic universe
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Nolan Bushnell actually invented IP in 1977. 😛
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Nate Lockhart 15/7/2023 8:01 pm
This little girl o mine loves the expansion!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 8:18 pm
Good, you can keep her.
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Nate Lockhart 15/7/2023 8:20 pm
She loved that and the dodgeball target game
8:21 pm
"Guysguysguys have you heard about this one?"
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/7/2023 8:23 pm
I heard it was based on the cult classic Rollerball
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
By the way we have been trying to bring Moonlander back to Apple tablets. Just a few things to work out.
Kate Willært 15/7/2023 9:18 pm
Has there been an update since I last bugged you, or still at the same stage?
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Phil Salvador 16/7/2023 4:38 am
I'm at MAGWest and in about two hours, I'm going to see Graeme Norgate perform live
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I have absolutely no idea what that is going to mean
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His music does not strike me as particularly live performance friendly
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Nate Lockhart
This little girl o mine loves the expansion!
Ethan Whitted 17/7/2023 7:20 pm
Where's this at?
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Ethan Whitted
Where's this at?
Nate Lockhart 17/7/2023 7:29 pm
This is the Strong Museum in Rochester
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Kate Willært 17/7/2023 8:08 pm
For a second I misread this conversation and thought MAGWest had relocated to Rochester NY (edited)
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Phil Salvador 17/7/2023 8:09 pm
MAGNEast
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Rochester is the center of everything.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/7/2023 8:12 pm
I wish
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Kate Willært 17/7/2023 8:45 pm
If only I could petition The Strong to move to Rochester MN
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Nate Lockhart 17/7/2023 8:48 pm
Good 'ol Rochester - I miss living there, but Buffalo is fine I guess
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"Buffalo is fine I guess" should be on the sign to the city.
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That’s still considered bragging by Midwestern standards.
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Nate Lockhart 17/7/2023 9:36 pm
Being 10 min away from Niagara Falls is kinda cool
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/7/2023 10:07 pm
Gamespace wants to the the Strong of the Midwest. Some day.
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retrohistories 18/7/2023 7:54 am
this is a good article. not obviously games-related except for a fact dropped part way through that made me reread the whole thing https://alex.miller.garden/grid-world/
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DarkSol 18/7/2023 2:27 pm
Finally got to hear the clip of Shadsy talking on NPR... that is so cool.
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retrohistories
this is a good article. not obviously games-related except for a fact dropped part way through that made me reread the whole thing https://alex.miller.garden/grid-world/
Phil Salvador 18/7/2023 3:44 pm
Did not expect that twist casually thrown out there
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Hello
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Frank Cifaldi 18/7/2023 4:58 pm
hi, welcome!
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Phil Salvador
Cyan having fun with the footage we got them https://youtu.be/iIUiR1ETqgM
Kate Willært 18/7/2023 7:38 pm
I'm imagining if Discord had custom soundclip capability like IRC back in the day https://youtu.be/iIUiR1ETqgM?t=134
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 12:26 am
ooh, no idea if it's gonna be interesting but I just picked up a bunch of stuff from a former reviewer, and he had a build of the original Deus Ex that's almost two months before final (and before the earliest build online)
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https://tcrf.net/Proto:Deus_Ex this is dated 6/4, idk what the file dates on the disc are but it says 4/14 on the label
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/7/2023 2:01 am
Hm interesting
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 5:18 pm
This is the best opening to an email we have ever received: "Hello there. The North Dakota state government told me to reach out to you about electronic dinosaurs."
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5:19 pm
it's about Dinotopia, which @Phil Salvador has absolutely heard of. it includes photos!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/7/2023 5:20 pm
amazing
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 19/7/2023 5:20 pm
this photo reads like "good morning, allosaurus, brought you a coffee"
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Phil Salvador 19/7/2023 5:20 pm
WHOA
5:22 pm
Is it too late for us to pivot our mission statement
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 5:22 pm
I mean I have been banging my head against the wall the past week for a new one so yes this is the time
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Favorite dinosaur?
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JChipShow
Favorite dinosaur?
Nate Lockhart 19/7/2023 5:42 pm
This is a very important question
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 5:43 pm
yeah I just haven't thought about it enough so I don't feel confident with an answer
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/7/2023 5:44 pm
ankylosaurus of course
5:45 pm
just a big old turtle with a club on its tail
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Triceratops are cool
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Nate Lockhart 19/7/2023 5:46 pm
Gotta go with either iguanadon or the pachycephalosaurus
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 5:46 pm
can I say megazord
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Yes
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I have a mosasaurus jawbone fossil so I think that wins by default for me.
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Frank Cifaldi 19/7/2023 5:50 pm
megazord for me, thanks
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Nice
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Dylan Mansfield 19/7/2023 6:00 pm
I’m a brontosaurus man
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/7/2023 7:10 pm
Our museum is looking at doing a Raster v. Vector show next year. Gonna have THREE whole Vectrexes. Also arcade games. Hopefully coinciding with my book which tells the history of vector games, incidentally.
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A future me problem: https://sternpinball.com/game/venom/ "Venom pinball games include Stern’s award-winning Insider Connected™ system, which enables players to interact with the game and a global network of players in a variety of ways. Through Insider Connected, players will be able to save their game progress through connectivity persistence, allowing anyone to become a (anti)hero as you advance through the game to reach the final wizard mode at the end, no matter how many tries it might take. In addition, Insider Connected allows players to track progress, earn new game-specific achievements, engage with the player community, and participate in promotions and Challenge Quests. "
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"Stern Pinball, Inc. and Marvel debut an all-new line of pinball games featuring one of Marvel’s most enigmatic, complex, and iconic characters, Venom – who’s ready to wreak havoc." I hope we're bad enough dudes to even play VENOM pinball.
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DarkSol 19/7/2023 8:19 pm
man... that sounds amazing, Borman
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A future me problem: https://sternpinball.com/game/venom/ "Venom pinball games include Stern’s award-winning Insider Connected™ system, which enables players to interact with the game and a global network of players in a variety of ways. Through Insider Connected, players will be able to save their game progress through connectivity persistence, allowing anyone to become a (anti)hero as you advance through the game to reach the final wizard mode at the end, no matter how many tries it might take. In addition, Insider Connected allows players to track progress, earn new game-specific achievements, engage with the player community, and participate in promotions and Challenge Quests. "
Nate Lockhart 19/7/2023 9:01 pm
That's a pretty cool feature
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I was playing a Godzilla this weekend and set up a Stern account and scanned the qrcode on the machine. Once you do that it pulls in your initials, records your scores, shows progress, achievements, etc. Looks like Venom is doing even more
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We have that on a few machines already. But it won't be great when those servers go offline, if Venom is any indication of the absolute need to experience the full game
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I keep butting up against "I need a list of every mobile game stat" and having to rely on shady download sites for that
2:47 am
Aka what I imagine a lot of research for console and PC was like in the early 00s
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/7/2023 6:14 pm
So smudgy, but such precious images
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Frank Cifaldi 20/7/2023 6:16 pm
I think I have this one loose
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Atari 2600 friends, we have some PCBs with the ROM chip co36146-01 from the Philippines, (C) 1987. Is there a good list out there with the identifiers, or alternatively, anyone happen to know what this one is?
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Nate Lockhart 20/7/2023 6:18 pm
@AtariSpot ?
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Frank Cifaldi 20/7/2023 6:20 pm
I'd love to rescan video game update but de- and re-binding is scary
6:21 pm
we have a pretty solid chunk of them loose now but not all
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/7/2023 6:21 pm
I think the scans are fine, the OCR isn't perfect or anything but it's good enough
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Frank Cifaldi 20/7/2023 6:22 pm
and as I always say, we can go retrieve the paper if someone needs to reproduce art
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/7/2023 6:22 pm
the fact that the package online has the review index makes it pretty easy
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My guess would be Atari Corp’s red label Mouse Trap reissue based on the 146-01 portion of the number, but… I’m not certain. I might have a spare copy at home that I can check out later tonight. The internal engineering parts list that’s out there is only useful for Warner-era Atari, unfortunately
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My guess would be Atari Corp’s red label Mouse Trap reissue based on the 146-01 portion of the number, but… I’m not certain. I might have a spare copy at home that I can check out later tonight. The internal engineering parts list that’s out there is only useful for Warner-era Atari, unfortunately
Thanks! Will do some more searching myself when I can. Surprised there isn't a list!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/7/2023 6:52 pm
"I'm surprised [X] isn't done yet" Story of our lives
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I have this bookmark for on-the-go reference to the CX part number list… so Mouse Trap is CX26146. https://gatland.tripod.com/vgr.txt
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
"I'm surprised [X] isn't done yet" Story of our lives
Is anyone keeping track of the things that need be kept track of?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
"I'm surprised [X] isn't done yet" Story of our lives
Based on podcast guest chats, there's also the related "I'm surprised anyone cares about this dumb old thing I did"
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History is nothing more than a series of dumb old things people did.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/7/2023 10:04 pm
Imagine Napoleon being all like, "I can't believe you care about that shit I did in Egypt."
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Who among us hasn't tried to invade Russia at one time or another?
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Coming from math research, occasionally an expert in a certain area will lay out a program like “here are the problems I think are important for the next 5-10 years”
10:31 pm
I dunno, would Atari experts say it’s time to catalog all those ROM id numbers?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/7/2023 10:32 pm
Either that or continue to rely on a tripod page’s existence
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/7/2023 10:32 pm
I would like there to be more accessible and accurate resources on arcade game hardware. I have to double check absolutely everything because people made some critical mistakes for the early stuff, it's a wonder it actually runs in MAME.
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Borman
Thanks! Will do some more searching myself when I can. Surprised there isn't a list!
I just opened a spare RealSports Boxing from the same general era and my thought about the ###-01 referring back to the CX list holds up. So yeah, not a guarantee, but I’d bet on yours being Mouse Trap
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/7/2023 10:37 pm
An Exidy classic. Maybe. I've not palyed it.
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AtariSpot
I just opened a spare RealSports Boxing from the same general era and my thought about the ###-01 referring back to the CX list holds up. So yeah, not a guarantee, but I’d bet on yours being Mouse Trap
Gives me something to track down anyway! The reason I don't just test it is they are on a sheet of uncut PCB with multiple together (can't say how big a truely full sheet would be)
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History is nothing more than a series of dumb old things people did.
Nanni and Ea-nasir have shown us the way
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/7/2023 10:53 pm
Mouse Trap is cool
10:54 pm
I think the arcade one is a little over designed
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An over-designed mouse trap?
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Phil Salvador 20/7/2023 11:04 pm
It brings me comfort that Mouse Trap has not even attempted to update the weird old-timey diver
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M2 has officially acquired the rights to the PC Engine catalogue previously owned by Lightweight🇯🇵 they don't specify precisely what they've bought, but Lightweight took over Interchannel's catalogue, who in turn inherited NEC Avenue's games, so this is potentially a big get
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Reverend Crush 21/7/2023 5:30 pm
Does anyone know what's going on with that Hebereke/Ufouria revamp Sunsoft is doing? I thought it was a remake of the original game, but still called "Hebereke 2" for some oddball reason. Now I'm seeing not only areas I don't remember from the original game, but also some collectable coin mechanic ala Mario's or rings from Sonic. I'm guessing it's actually a sequel?
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hoping it comes packed with the original if that's the case.
5:47 pm
But I'd be into a Hebereke 2.
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This odd 2001 ad for Nintendo's classic battler Advance Wars for the Game Boy Advance is... well, we're not even sure what is going on here? [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/7/2023 6:50 pm
Hey you should consider listening to All Things Considered today at exactly 4:24pm Eastern!
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 6:52 pm
There's gonna be a good story about bowling, I'm pretty sure (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/7/2023 6:52 pm
RCA bowling? I'll let Flori know
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 6:59 pm
Kevin's Bowling Game Siren went off
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It is about time that the funkiness of Nestor was acknowledged
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/7/2023 8:26 pm
HE'S ON
8:31 pm
Kind of a weird mix of things to throw the Saturn thing in there buy hey got the point across
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 8:31 pm
That was the host's choice, I think he's just a big Saturn fan (edited)
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but it was a good segue into "oh god the only documentation we have for some of this stuff is the fan community"
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 8:44 pm
Microsoft escapes the wrath of Kahn and extends the deal deadline. The OWL hangs in the balance. And we explore a future for protecting gaming's past. [s03e03]
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You just can’t avoid Phil these days.
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 9:03 pm
We have begun News Compression
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/7/2023 9:07 pm
Oh god that plot...
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 9:07 pm
lmao on Laine's podcast I said VGHF was based out of "the Area" instead of "the Bay Area"
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My brain was jelly
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Oh god that plot...
Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 9:09 pm
I have become The Final Fantasy VIII Defender but I will fully acknowledge the story is absolute batshit
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/7/2023 9:09 pm
Nah that game drags. Hate it.
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Phil Salvador 21/7/2023 9:10 pm
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/7/2023 9:10 pm
Master of elipses
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Frank Cifaldi 21/7/2023 10:10 pm
something neat I never knew until right now: the poster that came with the NES Mini is actually a prerelease NES photo with mockup labels on the carts
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10:11 pm
I saw this in a lot of random ebay trash and was like wait what's this
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Nate Lockhart 21/7/2023 10:11 pm
Neat!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 21/7/2023 10:12 pm
ooh and a myarcade
10:12 pm
which looks significantly less awful than the one i used to have
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Ethan Whitted 21/7/2023 11:12 pm
Incredible!!
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Nate Lockhart 21/7/2023 11:16 pm
Hell yeah
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Ethan Whitted 21/7/2023 11:33 pm
Hey I'm heading to Switzerland in a few days, are there any videogame or videogame history-related stops I should make while there?
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https://museedujeu.ch/en/ apparently, also this guy is Swiss but not sure you can just turn up at his house 😂 https://www.sega-dreamcast-info-games-preservation.com/en
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Ethan Whitted 21/7/2023 11:56 pm
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The Swiss games Museum looks cool, though!
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Not sure so I figured I'd ask, is this Rochester newspaper magazine thing that covers the Strong expansion a video game magazine
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Phil Salvador 22/7/2023 12:58 am
We would 100% include that in the collection
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We have some magazine issues that cover video games but aren't "video game magazines," it's important to get that extra context! (edited)
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do you want me to send you this then
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Phil Salvador 22/7/2023 1:00 am
Tagging @Frank Cifaldi to check but I think so if you want to send it!
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maybe some of the actual strong people could get a more pristine copy that wasn't crumpled from being in my bag all day but whatever works best for everyone (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 22/7/2023 4:39 pm
Oh yeah we'd love that
4:39 pm
My collected ephemera about this is similarly crumpled so it fits
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/7/2023 4:52 pm
Learned this is a thing today https://vectrex.fandom.com/wiki/Vectorbolt
Vectorbolt is a digest-size, full-color magazine for vector gaming enthusiasts published by George Pelonis of FURY Unlimited. It features game reviews and articles of interest on the vector gaming...
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Someone on Facebook posted a photo of issue 11 so I guess it still is happening
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Frank Cifaldi 22/7/2023 5:00 pm
Oh no
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Frank Cifaldi 22/7/2023 5:10 pm
The official website is on Tripod and his email is at aol
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Kate Willært 22/7/2023 5:30 pm
I wonder if the people who are responding to the recent preservation stuff with "but its already emulated" are afraid that legitimizing preservation will result in some sort of crack down on their ability to Play Free Games
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Least Weasel 22/7/2023 5:32 pm
I'm sure
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Jason Scott 22/7/2023 5:34 pm
No, I just think that's what happened when somebody has to think about something for 30 seconds and the rest of you have been thinking about it for 3 years
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Frank Cifaldi 22/7/2023 5:34 pm
I have seen this exact complaint on Twitter so yes
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Shh the lawyer cabal doesn't know about us don't tell
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But that's not too many people, almost all of it is what Jason said
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/7/2023 6:05 pm
It's just limited perspective. "If I can play the games then theres no issue."
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Phil Salvador 22/7/2023 6:15 pm
The part that gets me frustrated is when people use "emulation" to say "I can download roms" (edited)
6:15 pm
vs. talking about "emulation" as technology, which can be used in a bunch of different ways (edited)
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And that plays right into the hands of companies like Nintendo, who want the public to equate emulation with "piracy."
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/7/2023 3:47 pm
That wild-looking guy on all the old Imagine Software ads has passed https://twitter.com/PaulieHughes/status/1683098337543634944
Just heard the devastating news that my old colleague and original Imagine alumnus John Gibson has left us. A proper legend of game development. Absolutely gutted.
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Michael Berry 23/7/2023 4:13 pm
Has anyone ever been to this museum, Musee Mecanique, in San Francisco? This place was brought to my attention months ago, and it highlights electro mechanical arcade cabinets. I would love to go one day. https://museemecanique.com/gallery
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/7/2023 4:14 pm
Have not but heard it's brilliant.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/7/2023 4:15 pm
Yeah it’s pretty cool
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Michael Berry 23/7/2023 4:17 pm
I hope to check it out next year. It does look like a lot of fun
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/7/2023 4:17 pm
If you’re near Detroit Marvin’s Marvelous Mechanical Museum has a similar vibe
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marvin's museum is great stuff
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Michael Berry 23/7/2023 4:21 pm
Right on! That is much closer to me. I have never been to the Strong Museum of Play either, but apparently they have electro mechanical section also.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/7/2023 4:22 pm
I think there’s a EM arcade in Minneapolis too? Not positive
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Michael Berry 23/7/2023 4:23 pm
That's cool. I find the EM amusement machines so interesting.
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Michael Berry
Right on! That is much closer to me. I have never been to the Strong Museum of Play either, but apparently they have electro mechanical section also.
Nate Lockhart 23/7/2023 4:24 pm
Strong has a couple EM pinballs you can play, but all the other EM stuff is behind ropes
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I'd love to see more EM stuff for play at the Strong, but I think there's a concern about the level of upkeep
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Michael Berry 23/7/2023 4:27 pm
That is good to know. There is a new arcade in Girard, Ohio, called Past Times Arcade. It has some older arcades, like Sega's Gunfight, I would like to check out. I have not been there yet but saw some videos of it.
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The upkeep for these does seem like a nightmare.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/7/2023 4:28 pm
Maybe I’ll stop off there next time I’m driving by Youngstown
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/7/2023 4:38 pm
Youngstown is the "birthplace of pinball"******** (edited)
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Nate Lockhart 23/7/2023 4:39 pm
I wanna play a Sega Gunfight! I used to make trips to Youngstown when my brother lived down there, don't have much other reason these days
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 23/7/2023 4:40 pm
If you like Mechanical and EM I also have a Mastodon specifically catering to that. https://mastodon.social/@OurLostArcade
47 Posts, 3 Following, 72 Followers · Discovering the arcade's past! A journey through the history of coin-op. Games, jukeboxes, vending, and more from the 1st century to the 20th!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Youngstown is the "birthplace of pinball"******** (edited)
Nate Lockhart 23/7/2023 4:40 pm
In this house, we acknowledge Whiffle
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Michael Berry
Has anyone ever been to this museum, Musee Mecanique, in San Francisco? This place was brought to my attention months ago, and it highlights electro mechanical arcade cabinets. I would love to go one day. https://museemecanique.com/gallery
I've been a few times. Planned on putting money into their Cruis'n Exotica machine until I learned the game, but couldn't get the wheelie working consistantly on arcade hardware and the stages are designed to make you lose unless you take every possible jump
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always had a big population since its right next to the ferries and Pier 39
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Michael Berry
Right on! That is much closer to me. I have never been to the Strong Museum of Play either, but apparently they have electro mechanical section also.
We only usually have one or two out for play at a time at best, not sure entirely what’s out. We have a nice collection though
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Phil Salvador 23/7/2023 5:49 pm
Late reply, but Musee Mecanique is really cool! But yes, I also turned into dust when I realized they had a Cruis'n machine mixed in with the other antiques
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Oh Musee Mecanique is a place of all time. Must-stop if you have a few hours in SF (edited)
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I lived in the bay area since 07 and didn't make it til this year, which makes me a fool of all time
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
If you like Mechanical and EM I also have a Mastodon specifically catering to that. https://mastodon.social/@OurLostArcade
Michael Berry 23/7/2023 6:56 pm
Oh how cool! Thank you for this
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Nate Lockhart
I wanna play a Sega Gunfight! I used to make trips to Youngstown when my brother lived down there, don't have much other reason these days
The Strong mocks us with its non-playable cabinet... (edited)
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The Strong mocks us with its non-playable cabinet... (edited)
Nate Lockhart 23/7/2023 8:44 pm
I reach out - yet it cannot be grasped
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
If you like Mechanical and EM I also have a Mastodon specifically catering to that. https://mastodon.social/@OurLostArcade
oh neat, I've been enjoying the posts
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
I think there’s a EM arcade in Minneapolis too? Not positive
Kate Willært 23/7/2023 9:39 pm
In St. Paul, it's called Can Can Wonderland
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smith5031
The Strong mocks us with its non-playable cabinet... (edited)
Make an appointment! (To be fair, I dont know if it works or any restrictions on it)
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Phil Salvador 24/7/2023 5:40 am
This finally got posted, this was at MAGFest this year. Incredible to see in person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pL-UIjYIlo
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I have no idea how they'll top this next year (edited)
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Least Weasel 24/7/2023 4:03 pm
So -- community orchestra -- were these just people who were going to attend anyway and were like, "Oh, by the way, I know how to toot a bassoon."?
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Because if so that's fantastic
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Phil Salvador 24/7/2023 4:10 pm
That's MAGFest!
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People will just show up with a bassoon
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I'm sure they coordinated it ahead of time but this is also an event where people like that are likely to show up
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I miss MAGFest.
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I had some free time at work, so I took a crack at animating the @GameHistoryOrg logo. @kelslewin @frankcifaldi @itstheshadsy if you like it and want to use it, it’s all yours!
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Least Weasel 25/7/2023 10:11 am
That is PRETTY
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I spoke with @rnz_news about #gamehistory and #gamepreservation in the wake of the @GameHistoryOrg's recent report into the lack of availability of pre-2010 games. https://t.co/ca9htWJoXe
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 12:50 am
We were just talking about this, the fact that the Australian press got their own country's archivists to comment on how it applies to their own situation is a huge win
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/7/2023 1:47 am
I shared it with the GPS folks in Japan and they were also very interested in how it may apply to their circumstances as well
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they similarly think remote access through institutions that have physical copies is something politically doable
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 3:53 pm
I'd be super interested to see how the numbers work in Japan with all their PC88 MSX etc titles
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I hope people pick up the ball from here and do more targeted studies
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/7/2023 3:56 pm
yeah, when I was talking with Redon he mentioned that if they repeated the study they'd probably specify different formats re: arcade, console, phones, PC games etc. just because the numbers are dramatically variable between them
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more targeted studies would be cool
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Frank Cifaldi 26/7/2023 3:59 pm
Depends on your goal, there was no reason for us to break that down for the goal we had in mind, but there's also nothing stopping people from taking our methodology and doing it themselves!
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I'm curious about how to classify cases cases where a game might still be commercially available but is not playable on modern hardware. For example, I recently did some research on a couple of old Macintosh games. It turned out there was a company that acquired the rights and, as far as I can tell, still sells the games, but they only work on 1990s PowerPC Macs.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:05 pm
To be fair, Apple love moving the goalposts on that.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/7/2023 4:05 pm
I'd count that as not available since it relies on hardware that is no longer available
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ala the Shantae reissue on Game Boy Color
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:05 pm
I've lost count of how many OS revisions outright drop a compatibility layer or two
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
To be fair, Apple love moving the goalposts on that.
True, although I know a couple of companies that have continuously made Mac software since 1984 and upgraded through all the processor transitions. But that's for business software, not gaming.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:06 pm
I know of exactly one Mac game that qualifies for the above
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and even then, the author has to distribute it as a handful of distinct builds
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 4:08 pm
The standard we went with "reasonably available," which isn't defined in copyright law but is used a decent amount, and I think is usually interpreted to mean "you can access this without having to put in work to figure it out" if that makes sense. Contemporary format, no hoops to jump through, etc.
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We were talking with a copyright lawyer about the issues with the PS3 store that we ran into, and their response was basically, having to find a workaround on Reddit is not reasonably available
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Frank Cifaldi 26/7/2023 4:08 pm
Telegames still has some of its Lynx games available to purchase on cartridge, I will not acknowledge any school of thought that says that this means the game is accessible commercially
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:08 pm
https://www.casteel.org/ - Klondike, presently available in version 7.7.1 (which runs on the Mac Plus all the way to OS X 10.4), version 10.4 (which runs all the way up to macOS 10.12), and version 11.8 (which I presume is a 64-bit version that runs from macOS 10.9 to present day)
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Honestly the fact that Casteel continues to make his legacy versions available and clearly marks what versions of the system they're meant for, is something that I feel any long-running software project should do
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Frank Cifaldi
Telegames still has some of its Lynx games available to purchase on cartridge, I will not acknowledge any school of thought that says that this means the game is accessible commercially
Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 4:10 pm
Yeah, I think the consensus is that obsolete legacy formats being dragged out doesn't count. I mentioned this here before, but there was the thought experiment of: if someone stats manufacturing new high-end VCRs, does that mean VHS is no longer an obsolete format? Probably not
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For something like vinyl, you could probably say that's no longer obsolete because there's an active market around it again. vs. new Lynx games that require vintage hardware, that's a collector oddity
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Okay, so just to throw my anecdotal data onto the wood-pile, I reviewed 12 computer games in my last 2 blog posts, covering a number of 1987 computer platforms. Excluding the two Mac games, only 1 is currently available and playable right now commercially.
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 4:14 pm
Which one?
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Falcon from Spectrum Holobyte. You can buy it as part of a compilation on GOG (and I'd assume Steam but I didn't check).
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 4:16 pm
Okay that sounds right. All those military sims
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I bet it's not the Mac version though, which raises further questions
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No, this was the PC version that I looked at.
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Sorry, should have clarified.
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 4:17 pm
Ohhh gotcha
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And it was only demonstrated briefly at the start of the show, as Gary and Stewart explain the concept of a LAN party :p
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I think I mentioned this to you as well, Phil, but one of the games I looked at was a CompuServe MUD. And I'm guessing that preserving something like that is basically impossible.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:21 pm
https://store.steampowered.com/app/374080/Falcon/ - Falcon can be bought individually on steam for $7 or in a bundle for $10
When you climb into the cockpit of the F-16 Fighting Falcon, get set for the "flight of your life" as the powerful FALCON F-16 takes you streaking across the sky at Mach 2. Accurate weapons system, head-up-displays, cockpit controls, and overall flight characteristics make this the ultimate in simulations. The enemy MiGs you encounter are resour...
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it is the DOS version, in both CGA and EGA - I have no idea why their trailer runs it in CGA
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More nostalgic. lol
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1987 was right at that CGA/EGA line.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 26/7/2023 4:24 pm
Steam reviews are indicating that neither it nor Falcon A.T. include their instruction manuals at all (and that DOSBox isn't even configured for it; they're running the default 3000 CPU cycles which make the game unplayably fast)
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But that probably goes beyond the bounds of "is commercially available" as a minimum baseline
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/7/2023 4:54 pm
oh I think that Falcon game was on my list in the survey, disappointed to not find the c64 version available
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Frank Cifaldi 26/7/2023 6:34 pm
Hahaha we're on Here And Now, it just came on in my parked car
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NPR x4
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It's the All Things Considered segment
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Phil Salvador 26/7/2023 7:32 pm
yooooo
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Is there a site where you can easily peruse game covers or cartridge/disc images and not have to go game by game (edited)
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Maybe if you tailor some searches here: https://archive.org/search?query=nintendo+wii+disc
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I'll try those, thanks! Kinda surprised there's no specific site for it though (edited)
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Is there a term for games that deviate from their original premise so greatly they become jokes that are a kitchen sink for marketing? If not, I propose "Fortnite-ification". https://www.polygon.com/23810565/nicki-minaj-call-duty-warzone-modern-warfare-2-operator
‘The Harajuku Barbie’ will be an Operator in season 5
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 27/7/2023 10:36 pm
a word that should be sung to the tune of Californication
10:37 pm
I'd also submit mortal Kombat for that phenomenon
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A season of a video game still perturbs me
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So uh, what's everyone playing lately?
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I was just playing Sims 2. 😛
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 10:40 pm
my awful plan is to explore 320x240 resolution Java phone games through an emulator piped to my CRT just Because I Can
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Awful? That sounds delightful!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 27/7/2023 10:44 pm
i bet Athena Full Throttle would look amazing on a tube
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 10:46 pm
I don't know how to find "complete" sets of these stupid things to even know if that has a 320x240 version
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So uh, what's everyone playing lately?
Licensed LCD handhelds. It's a uh land of contrasts
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Interesting
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And as complete as possible of course because I also gotta get these things online if no one else is gonna
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Precious manuals ✨
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Jeremy Seith 27/7/2023 11:02 pm
making my way through all the Black Isle/Obsidian stuff I've missed but currently on Baldur's Gate so I can get to BG2. Looking to bind Avellone's Fallout 3 bible for practice.
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which reminds me, Alpha Protocol is also unavailable for purchase
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Frank Cifaldi
my awful plan is to explore 320x240 resolution Java phone games through an emulator piped to my CRT just Because I Can
Setting up Java emulation on an Android phone is pretty easy if you want to come close to the original feel.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 11:06 pm
no I want the opposite, I want to play Sega Genesis resolution pixel games on a TV
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I want to play an alternate universe 16-bit console on a CRT
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SRB2 with the low poly 3D model mod is kind of a trip on a CRT.
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For a Bizzaro Saturn feeling.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 11:50 pm
sorry what's the acronym?
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Sonic Roboblast 2. Terrible name.
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But a game that's been around forever, but only recently was completed iirc.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 11:51 pm
oh yeah this one!
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There's a nice full character/enemy swap mod to make them all low poly 3D instead of sprites, but also there are some nicer looking sprite replacements too (the originals are cute, but I wasn't quite as fond of them).
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Level design is a bit of a mess, but still fun and can be really pretty to look at sometimes.
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I still haven't tried out Triple Troulbe 16-Bit or the demo to Sonic Chaos on a CRT yet.
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Demo to Sonic Chaos remake, rather. The dev on that was pulled into Origins apparently.
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Frank Cifaldi 27/7/2023 11:57 pm
oh!! that's the happy ending I didn't know that project had
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Yeah
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I believe he was responsible for the cool blue spheres challenge menu graphics.
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Frank Cifaldi 28/7/2023 12:03 am
maybe I should look at anything other than the regular game
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I've beaten it maybe 4x as sonic and tails and just not wanted to touch other features or characters
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Phil Salvador 28/7/2023 12:30 am
Oh yeah you should do SRB2 Kart that way too
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Another lost Saturn game
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Theoretically you could do anything Doom, I think you can still run GZDoom at 320x240
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I think my mod would technically run at that res but it would be visually busy (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
I've beaten it maybe 4x as sonic and tails and just not wanted to touch other features or characters
I hate blue spheres, but that doesn't stop me from opening the blue spheres challenge menu just for the sick art and music. I still need to get the DLC, but I've only beaten everything with Sonic so far.
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Going through the Mega Man EXE collection before I was consumed by Zelda, I was annoyed again at Sonic Origins having no way to listen to its jukebox music anywhere else in the game's menus/museum outside of just the jukebox.
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EXE Collection actually lets me make a little playlist to listen to while looking through their gallery and stuff. Really appreciated it.
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Frank Cifaldi 28/7/2023 12:57 am
it especially sucks because the official soundtrack is missing sonic 1 & 2 music so they didn't have to pay the dreams come true guy
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That's so funny
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I really want to know what the licensing agreements are like between Sega and literally anyone they end up collaborating with.
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It's stunning that something like "Oh, well we didn't renew with THE BOEING COMPANY so I guess Afterburner Climax is gone now. Oops sorry!"
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That something like that can just happen.
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It's not like Snoop Dog announcer wasn't silly enough.
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reminds me of the tekken tag tournament 2 snoop dogg stage with the track "knocc em down"
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sometimes snoop dogg is just... there
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I'm not complaining
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Also, remember when he was smoking weed while playing BF1 at E3?
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Good times.
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Good morning everyone
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Least Weasel 29/7/2023 3:54 pm
Good morning!
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Frank Cifaldi 29/7/2023 9:44 pm
Good afternoon!!!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/7/2023 9:45 pm
Good god
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Frank Cifaldi 29/7/2023 9:45 pm
I didn't go to video game preservation school, do they teach you about rats in your storage
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Amanda and I spent about five hours moving and sanitizing and I'm happy to report no damage to anything in the collection except the outer packaging of an Atari VCS (RIP)
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Good news, it wasn't exactly mint. Bad news, first print with the chess symbol on it
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What do they teach in video game preservation school?
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they teach you about how Bubsy 3D was received back then (I dunno why I thought about that)
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Basically the bucket trick but large enough for rats
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The things I have had to look up for patients because of the animal droppings I find inside their prosthetic legs
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Frank Cifaldi 29/7/2023 11:19 pm
Oh yikes
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Ahhh smells like bleach
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/7/2023 12:40 am
As someone dealing with rats in my yard, I relate to this struggle
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Frank Cifaldi
Ahhh smells like bleach
Least Weasel 30/7/2023 12:52 am
Preeeeeetty
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Matt Clawson 30/7/2023 2:58 am
so you're saying i can catch unlimited rats? thinkingcat
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26:04-30:05 is a good discussion concerning pest management in the archival storage space.
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Frank Cifaldi 30/7/2023 4:55 am
Oh so they do teach it in video game preservation school
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Matt Clawson
so you're saying i can catch unlimited rats? thinkingcat
Least Weasel 30/7/2023 11:27 am
...I mean, do empty the trap periodically but yes?
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Activision apparently lost War For Cybertron and Fall Of Cybertron.
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Least Weasel 30/7/2023 7:03 pm
So what happens in this case? Like, I can still download the steam executables. They still exist.
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but they wouldn't be able to provide it on a service it wasn't on before, like PS5/Series X or gamepass pc (which is still windows store?)
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Frank Cifaldi 30/7/2023 7:15 pm
I wish people understood that this is 0% "lol Activision" and 100% "yeah this is the state of historical games industry-wide"
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/7/2023 7:16 pm
on the one hand, it's not as if the game data itself is gone forever, because it'd be trivial for them to get a copy of their own came from original discs or just wherever else it exists on the internet. on the other, that also verges on the same territory as what Ubisoft did with Rainbow Six Vegas 2 on Steam
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when they pushed their final patch for the game, they accidentally shipped the retail version of the patch to DL customers, so they found themselves unable to play at all
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and Ubisoft corrected for this by... shipping a widely available no-DVD crack instead
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to this day, if you go pop open Steam R6V2's EXE file in a hex editor, you'll spot a signature from iirc the warez group Reloaded in it
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Ubisoft could have "easily" removed the CD checks themselves, but for whatever reason they just did not do that - possibly somebody had already declared the project "end of support" and deleted or otherwise removed the team's access to the source code
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/7/2023 7:22 pm
Also more bothersome to port something to another platform without source code, basically have to run an emulator for it
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/7/2023 7:23 pm
yup. even if it's a PC game from within the last decade-and-a-half, can't account for what might have broken in the meantime
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what video drivers will need wrappers, what frame limiters will need to be artificially applied, workarounds to online services that no longer exist (i wonder if War For Cybertron was Powered By GameSpy?)
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Least Weasel 30/7/2023 10:14 pm
Wow. Just ... wow
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Jason Scott 30/7/2023 10:16 pm
The Mast interest and need to research is classic Jason Scott territory
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Least Weasel 30/7/2023 11:29 pm
Does Jason Scott talk about himself in the third person? There's a spider man joke in there :3
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We did it!🎉 Take a look at The Strong’s opening weekend celebration. Visit and check out what the buzz is all about! #MorePlayOnTheWay #RochesterNY…
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Phil Salvador 31/7/2023 5:26 am
Frank and I were joking that maybe this is the first on-camera press interview Don James has given? (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:18 pm
NES games, January 1987, likely all first party, what's the one all the way on the left?
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Immediate thought is Castlevania/Simon's Quest, but if first party 1987 closest I can think is maybe Zelda II?
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:24 pm
well guess what else is at this show
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Thought Simon had a blue afro for a moment
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:25 pm
this is the original castlevania, right?
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yes, Simon's Quest has mega man style health bar
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I might be forgetting something that would explain it, but probably a developer build of some kind because it's on stage 2, the score was reset at the start of the stage, but they still have 3 lives, so they can't have lost a man yet.
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:30 pm
can you continue after game over with a zeroed out score?
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I think the score might be 600? But it is doubled and incredibly blurry.
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it's 600 because there's one bat and one knight before that screen
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but you'd come in from stage 1 with ~20,000 points
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I guess a continue might explain it. Ironically it's hard to find someone who recorded themselves playing CV while playing bad enough to need a continue
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Was curious if it might be from the attract, since it seems like nobody is playing, and I've just learned that the score is locked to zero during the Castlevania attract which is some deep trivia absolutely nobody would care about.
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far-left could also be kid icarus, that's got columns a bit like the temples in zelda ii
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:42 pm
yeah and it debuted at the show
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kid icarus, zelda 1 and punch-out all debuted here
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and this thing
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 31/7/2023 10:44 pm
oh yeah the nintendo sweater system 😛
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:48 pm
I want everyone to know I audibly gasped when I saw this photo
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i thought that was an early version of the nes piano at first (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 10:55 pm
Nintendo Knitting Machine
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this photo proves that the software isn't the same as the I Am A Teacher disk from Japan
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@Ethan Johnson (Play History) was it you that mentioned that Doug Carlston talked about this?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/7/2023 10:57 pm
Yes. A fun fact that they were proposed to do the software, but they did not.
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and this thing
weird that it was 3 months out from getting released, but they didn't have final box art for NES Ikari Warriors yet. Guess everything was last minute back then
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 11:37 pm
so I asked Alan Weiss from Broderbund, he said they got a demo in Japan but didn't think it was a good fit. the software in this photo isn't the same as the disk in Japan so I wonder if they got someone else to do it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/7/2023 11:40 pm
Need to talk to Weiss sometime.
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Frank Cifaldi 31/7/2023 11:42 pm
oh he's great
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years after he'd left he heard they were tossing stuff, so he actually came back and dumpster dived at night to rescue things like original art and unreleased games
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This U.S. print ad for the console game based on the 1994 Macaulay Culkin movie The Pagemaster appears to have... run out of sensible headline words? [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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Frank Cifaldi
and this thing
i know too much about knitting machines now, like the things above her knees are weights to pull the finished knitting down
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Frank Cifaldi 1/8/2023 4:04 am
Yeah!!
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Frank Cifaldi
years after he'd left he heard they were tossing stuff, so he actually came back and dumpster dived at night to rescue things like original art and unreleased games
Ethan Whitted 1/8/2023 6:54 am
What a hero, honestly.
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Kate Willært 1/8/2023 4:58 pm
Now I want more deets on what he rescued
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Frank Cifaldi 1/8/2023 5:02 pm
U-Force Power Games was from that
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Kate Willært 1/8/2023 5:03 pm
Nice
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Was that recent at the time, or was he finding things going back a decade or two?
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Frank Cifaldi 1/8/2023 5:05 pm
I want to say this is very early 2000s
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Kate Willært 1/8/2023 5:17 pm
Interesting
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Disheartening when this happens. Rightholders request removal of 30-year old magazine scans https://twitter.com/VGDensetsu/status/1686398450529697794
The owner of Abandonware-Magazine, a pioneering video game magazine archive specialising in the French-language press, has announced that they have to remove certain 25-30 year-old magazines from their site at the request of the rights holders. https://t.co/Ny22bWbSNd
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I wonder if these old magazine publishers are tightening the reigns so that they can sell their back catalogue as training material for LLM
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 1/8/2023 8:30 pm
$300 an issue, accessible only on one computer, three magazines a day.
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Ryan Lucas 2/8/2023 8:21 am
Has anyone ever uncovered Wally Bear and the No! Gang club newsletter? I wonder how hilariously bad it was.
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Frank Cifaldi 2/8/2023 4:19 pm
Fyi that it probably has nothing to do with the game, he was his own mascot
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Wietse van Bruggen 2/8/2023 5:54 pm
To go somewhere different with the shutting down of feminist frequency: as seen by the discussion in another channel here this organisation and people involved made loads of impact in discourse around games. Now that the organisation is shutting down: is there/should there be an effort to preserve their work? Not just the outside facing part, but also internal docs/communication? Is that within the scope of something the VGHF does? Or another organisation, or an archive? (edited)
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No idea how thorough but does appear to be out on archive.org https://archive.org/details/sarkeesianvideos?tab=collection (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/8/2023 6:03 pm
the announcement letter suggests she's passed the reins to someone else to help wind things down. They did a lot beyond video games so I don't know if VGHF should specifically be the point of contact but some archive should take that stuff on
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To go somewhere different with the shutting down of feminist frequency: as seen by the discussion in another channel here this organisation and people involved made loads of impact in discourse around games. Now that the organisation is shutting down: is there/should there be an effort to preserve their work? Not just the outside facing part, but also internal docs/communication? Is that within the scope of something the VGHF does? Or another organisation, or an archive? (edited)
Frank Cifaldi 2/8/2023 7:01 pm
we have had a collection of their materials for about four years now
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we have all the press clippings she saved, some letters, some merch, and all the games used to record gameplay for tropes vs. women
7:02 pm
anita owes me data but we have pretty much anything physical that makes sense to have
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Frank Cifaldi
anita owes me data but we have pretty much anything physical that makes sense to have
Wietse van Bruggen 2/8/2023 7:03 pm
Awesome!
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We have to be honest, Data East, we're not sure this is the most sensitive way to market a game (the 1990 NES version of Infogrames' comic-book license North & South) based on the American Civil War? [Ad via the VGHF Library.]
1:53 am
perhaps some cultural insensitivity at work here...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/8/2023 1:57 am
damn that kid really supports slavery huh
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/8/2023 1:59 am
Fun fact: Ken Burns was offered to sponsor a Civil War game but he refused to because there was the possibility the South could win. By the timeline, this may have been Sid Meier's Gettysburg.
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someone just pointed out to me that Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure came out in 1989
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so the whole ad is clearly goofin' on that
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i don't think it's horrific, it's just weirder than e.g. Napoleon.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/8/2023 2:39 am
thinking about how the Call of Duty games, prior to 4, just aired clips from The Military Channel documentaries between levels
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and how strange and quaint that seems now compared to when they decided to actually start putting storylines into them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Fun fact: Ken Burns was offered to sponsor a Civil War game but he refused to because there was the possibility the South could win. By the timeline, this may have been Sid Meier's Gettysburg.
This is one of the most fascinating aspects of strategy games, these weird scenarios to play out alternate histories. Like in Empire Earth II, there's a scenario where the Mesoaerican civs repel the European colonists and form their own American civilization through to the 21st century. I'm sure there's also a scenario where the player can play as Germany in WWII
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this is interesting in that it talks about the commercial availability of early IGF winners: https://igf.com/article/where-are-they-now-igf-grand-prize-winners-shaped-industry-1999-2006
Over the past 25 years, the Independent Games Festival Awards has spotlighted some of the industry's most groundbreaking indie video games. Many of their developers have gone on to achieve massive success, while some studios have since closed their doors. But every one of these games has a place in history. Let's look at some of our Seumas McNal...
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DeppySlide 3/8/2023 3:06 pm
it's too bad reflexive entertainment got swallowed up by amazon, they were a big part of the early-00s casual pc game market
3:06 pm
also I gotta replay Darwinia sometime
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this is interesting in that it talks about the commercial availability of early IGF winners: https://igf.com/article/where-are-they-now-igf-grand-prize-winners-shaped-industry-1999-2006
Every day I'm here opens up a new avenue of "oh god what are we doing about these games"
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As you should
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I still eyeball my copy of Wik and the Fable of Souls on my Xbox 360 and know in my heart of hearts I'll complete it someday
4:20 pm
And Gish for that matter
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Phil Salvador 3/8/2023 5:03 pm
For $10 a month, you too can have a panic attack by joining this Discord
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Gish. Now there is a game I haven't thought about in a long, long time.
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it's too bad reflexive entertainment got swallowed up by amazon, they were a big part of the early-00s casual pc game market
Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/8/2023 5:21 pm
yeah... i even own a CD copy of their first game(?), Swarm. It's kinda neat.
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Always kinda liked their house style of 3D rendered metal scrap.
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I looked into a lot of the availability of those early titles a few years ago, it wasnt good.
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Was one of the first things I did at the museum.
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 3/8/2023 6:50 pm
Hey all! I regret that I haven’t started regular donations to this cause a while ago. However, there is no time like the present!
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Phil Salvador 3/8/2023 6:51 pm
Hey welcome! 👋
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/8/2023 7:26 pm
Patreon changed its billing from California to Dublin for this month. So a lot of banks rejected the transactions as possible fraud. This would be recoverable ... except that Patreon’s systems seem to have automatically wiped all patronage relationships with a bounced transaction! there is no news writeup yet, but start at this twitter thread:...
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Jeff | bdjeffyp
Hey all! I regret that I haven’t started regular donations to this cause a while ago. However, there is no time like the present!
Frank Cifaldi 3/8/2023 7:36 pm
Hi Jeff!! Glad to have you here
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Beat Life is Strange for PS4, it was cool
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Beat Life is Strange for PS4, it was cool
Matt Clawson 3/8/2023 11:52 pm
I played the first game in the series with my wife. Good times. (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/8/2023 12:17 am
I’ve only played the first one but I had fun with it
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Phil Salvador 4/8/2023 12:19 am
One time I accidentally cosplayed as Max Caulfield without realizing it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/8/2023 12:20 am
I kinda fell off when the prequel game used scab voice acting
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perhaps some cultural insensitivity at work here...
The "Rewrite history" tagline is very deceiving because the original game is based off a belgian series of bandes dessinées that depicts the Civil War from a Northern point of view (both protagonists are union soldiers, the original title literally means "The Bluecoats") and you definitely play the game as a Union soldier, so at no point are you supposed to "rewrite history" (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/8/2023 12:23 am
Give me a game where I can rewrite history by not letting reconstruction get canceled as part of a back room deal for the presidency
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Phil Salvador 4/8/2023 12:43 am
Alexey Pajitnov presents Hayes!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 4/8/2023 1:01 am
Truly he exemplified the garbage that is Ohio
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With apologies for any self-promotion, though it's as much about our efforts @StanfordLibs as it is about me: https://t.co/W0qdkiqDDj
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more 'VGHF says...' spawning articles innit
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Phil Salvador 4/8/2023 11:25 pm
I love love love that this is raising general awareness for what's happening in game preservation
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Frank Cifaldi 5/8/2023 3:08 am
BigPEmu version 1.07 is out now, featuring Jaguar VR support! In addition to emulating the head tracker, I've implemented Jaguar-native stereoscopic rendering from scratch in Missile Command 3D. Come experience Jaguar VR in real VR!
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RichWhitehouse 5/8/2023 3:12 am
Haha, wtf indeed
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Dylan Mansfield 5/8/2023 3:50 am
Rich, you just combined my two favourite projects of yours into one.
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GodDAMN
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Phil Salvador 5/8/2023 10:37 pm
I am visiting Theater Square for the first time since I did the bulk of my Maxis interviews, this is so cool
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I can match up specific office spaces where people said they worked and other landmarks
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I posted this one earlier this year, this was the bagel place everyone on staff went to circa 1994
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Today I think? (edited)
10:38 pm
Might be a different place actually
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Phil Salvador 5/8/2023 11:00 pm
For context for people who aren't actively following Maxis research: they were based out of a shopping plaza in Orinda, CA, which is fairly close to where I live so I decided to take a trip down there
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rip boogie woogie bagel boy rip
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Phil Salvador 5/8/2023 11:33 pm
Oh that might actually be the dining area that I couldn't get a good look at
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That's another corner of Theatre Square that might also match there picture, but it's mostly been converted into outdoor dining so it's harder to get a good look (edited)
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Boogie Woogie Bagel Boy hasn't left my head since I saw that photo
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great piece!
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Boogie Woogie Bagel Boy hasn't left my head since I saw that photo
Frank Cifaldi 6/8/2023 4:58 am
Same (edited)
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Nice feature on the Strong on cbs this am: https://youtu.be/_7a1Q3jVFY4
I hope to head out there soon to see it all and do some reading. The Don Daglow papers have been calling to me
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I did just get out to a ventriloquism museum and it was interesting to chat with the curator about similar challenges that they face in that field. Providing context for artifacts, funding, generating public interest, etc.
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They were also in the middle of expanding their library for researchers
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Maybe this is just historian/curator life
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Obligatory merch case
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Nate Lockhart 6/8/2023 2:01 pm
That's a lot of Charlie McCarthys
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Frank Cifaldi 6/8/2023 3:22 pm
What's the museum?
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 6/8/2023 4:07 pm
Found this poster in a ricoh shop at gen con
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Frank Cifaldi 6/8/2023 4:08 pm
Yeah that was included with games, whenever I see a stack I look through them and grab any with a 1985 copyright (this one is 1987)
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Something cool about finding a first print of these
4:09 pm
Especially since they're usually like $1
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What's the museum?
Oh it's Vent Haven in Fort Mitchell KY. A great stop for anyone in the Cincinnati area https://www.venthaven.org/
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American Sign Museum is another cool Cincy spot with lots of good exhibits and info, which just reminds me I need to get to the sign/neon museum in Vegas as well
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These back-page U.S. print ads for Origin's classic PC MMO Ultima Online used an interesting player-centric angle, and the tagline 'Are you with us?' [Ads via the VGHF Research Library.]
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oh yeah these were cool (maybe others have seen them before)
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Loved UO, still the only mmo I really put any time into
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i did play some UO back around launch time, i think not much more than 10-20 hours tho
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American Sign Museum is another cool Cincy spot with lots of good exhibits and info, which just reminds me I need to get to the sign/neon museum in Vegas as well
My family is from Cincy. Love the American Sign Museum, was not aware of the Vent Haven Museum. Will have to check it out next time I am in town.
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Ethan Whitted 6/8/2023 6:33 pm
I had never spotted these conversions before.
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Frank Cifaldi 7/8/2023 9:48 pm
Winter CES 1987, having the Intellivision booth next to Capcom showing like, Bionic Commando and Ghosts 'n Goblins for the NES feels like two dimensions crossing over to me
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/8/2023 9:50 pm
That rapscallion Terrence Valenski
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/8/2023 10:48 pm
87 was a good year for INTV! What a trip
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Remembering that Computer Entertainer gave Zelda a lower score than Chip Shot Super Pro Golf
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 7/8/2023 11:40 pm
putting that on the wishlist for golfshrine immediately 😉
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Frank Cifaldi 8/8/2023 12:11 am
putting together a talk for long island retro this weekend
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/8/2023 12:18 am
Ooo fun
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Dylan Mansfield 8/8/2023 12:38 am
Did you make that ROYAL Industries logo Frank?
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picked up two wild laserdiscs: Maze Mania (1982) and Murder, Anyone? (1983), two very early games meant to be played using the chapter selection functionality of a LaserDisc player. these would be two of the earliest FMV games ever made
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i think frank replied from the account 🙂
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i had not heard of either of these
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/8/2023 1:12 am
There were at least two earlier interactive LaserDiscs that were commercially available.
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One you may highly qualify as a game, but neither is Murder, Anyone really a game because it asks you to do everything to make it interactive, like later VHS games.
1:19 am
I had to cut out a lot of the crazy LaserDisc experiments from my book, but I'll see if I can repurpose it.
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Dylan Mansfield
Did you make that ROYAL Industries logo Frank?
Frank Cifaldi 8/8/2023 2:38 am
No that's the actual website
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Matt Clawson 8/8/2023 5:05 pm
i came kinda close to picking up a Roland knitting machine a few weeks ago from the local buy-nothing group. No Some Regrets.
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Hello everyone
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Frank Cifaldi 8/8/2023 5:24 pm
hi there
5:24 pm
have you come to talk about knitting
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Oh yes
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DarkSol 8/8/2023 5:32 pm
Is the Atari Archive book similiar to the NES/SNES/VB Works books?
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Different author (@Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch), but same graphic design and layout style I believe. Mine is still in the reading queue but I'm hyped to get into it
5:35 pm
Also similar in the chronological game-by-game approach
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DarkSol 8/8/2023 5:37 pm
Excellent 🙂 Thats all I really needed to know. 🙂 I think I'll grab a copy for my reading pleasure then!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 5:38 pm
hooray!
5:39 pm
Yes, Jeremy did the layout so it does have a similar visual style to his books but the content is very much my style (edited)
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DarkSol 8/8/2023 5:43 pm
Actually... I had already ordered it but had forgotten 😳
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 5:44 pm
should be arriving at any point now then
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DarkSol 8/8/2023 5:45 pm
so excited for new reading material... especially since I'm not that familiar with the VCS
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Having heard Kevin on the podcast a bunch, I "hear" the book in his voice as I'm reading it, hah
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 6:22 pm
left to my own devices I tend to write the way I talk
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Yes, Jeremy did the layout so it does have a similar visual style to his books but the content is very much my style (edited)
jeremyparish 8/8/2023 7:04 pm
I would say it's a similar spirit, but I didn't want to force Kevin's book to look exactly like mine, so I tried to key in on Atari graphic design elements (colors, color blocking, etc.) and give it a distinct and extremely late 1970s look
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 7:08 pm
(it looks very rad)
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I would say it's a similar spirit, but I didn't want to force Kevin's book to look exactly like mine, so I tried to key in on Atari graphic design elements (colors, color blocking, etc.) and give it a distinct and extremely late 1970s look
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 7:10 pm
oh yes I don't know if I told you, but Larry Wagner sent me an email letting me know he thought that it came out fantastic and the way that his notes were laid out alongside the information was gorgeous. Apparently his wife took photos of those pages with him to post on her facebook
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jeremyparish 8/8/2023 7:11 pm
Aww, that's wonderful :3
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The credit really goes to you for pulling all that material together. I just organized it visually!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/8/2023 7:12 pm
I am not good at visual design (and likely my book won't have much because it's 2 beeg) so I'm leaving it to you experts for the cover.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/8/2023 7:13 pm
if you need a cover artist and have the budget I know a gal in Chicago
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she did the cover for Brian's book as I recall
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jeremyparish 8/8/2023 7:14 pm
Massive chunks of information require good graphic design, too, but it's more about organization and balance to avoid tiring or distracting the reader
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 8/8/2023 7:19 pm
I have shortened the average paragraph size several times.
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Jason Scott 8/8/2023 8:32 pm
Where are we seeing you this weekend, Frank
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Frank Cifaldi 8/8/2023 9:03 pm
long island retro
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Explore gaming history THIS WEEKEND with these commentary panels on various area of the medium from @ScarletSprites (Arcade history), @frankcifaldi (preserving gaming history), @Rolenta1 (with Mark Baer on the life of Ralph Baer), and @gamespite (the history of Epoch).…
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Dan Ackerman, editor in chief of tech news site Gizmodo, alleges Apple TV+ film “Tetris” illegally copied from his book on the popular video game, in a lawsuit he filed seeking at least…
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/8/2023 3:36 pm
The ‘Tetris’ film is substantially similar in almost all material respects including specific chapters and pages of said book that were simply adopted from the book to the film
I like how you're allowed to say this without any specificity and can just dodge the fact that you made this claim in court.
3:38 pm
This seems lacking in merit to me. I haven't read the whole book (paging @smith5031 ) but the contents aren't een entirely about the licensing battle, which in itself took most info from Game Over.
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I haven't read Ackerman's book or watched the movie, but I was also just assuming that they all spin out from that section of Game Over
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Ackerman did his own interviews. And there is also the BBC documentary, which did it's own interviews as well. Game Over told it first, but other authors have also told the story by going directly to the primary sources.
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But this lawsuit appears silly on the surface. Ackerman's telling of the negotiations is not substantially different from Sheff's to my recollection. (edited)
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And since the events portrayed in the movie are largely embellished past the point of recognition, it is hard to say they stole plot points or narrative structure from any work of nonfiction. (edited)
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'5. Numerous film and television producers showed interest in optioning Mr. Ackerman’s book for a film or television project. However, they would not proceed with said projects unless The Tetris Company would license its IP for the project'
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'The scene where Henk's guide turns out to be a KGB agent mirrors Mr. Ackerman’s narrative invention from page 181: “Even the guide who had miraculously appeared at the last moment to lead him to this otherwise anonymous government building could just mean he was being tracked the entire time”; '
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Based on that logic, the John Le Carre estate probably has a case too. The movie featured pretty generic Cold War spy thriller stuff.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/8/2023 3:49 pm
But Henk has sometimes said that he thought she was KGB. That's not his invention.
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I did have to explain to someone a few days ago that there was no KGB involvement, at least not when Rogers was actually in Moscow.
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Also, Sheff played up the Cold War espionage angle too, he called the chapter From Russia With Love for goodness sake. And Spectrum Holobyte's original marketing was all about the Cold War, though not espionage specifically. Ackerman did not come close to inventing the concept of "Tetris story as Cold War spy thriller." (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 7:48 pm
god the exhibit is so good
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Ah that's a good backdrop
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/8/2023 8:28 pm
Giant wall graphics are one of the best inventions of museums
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 8:34 pm
the dot print filter on photoshop is so good for this
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/8/2023 8:37 pm
As in adding DP?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 8:52 pm
good way to expand an image beyond its original resolution without it looking too artificial
8:54 pm
compared to the graphics on the wall where i used to work, where whoever had them printed just hit "nearest neighbor" on an American flag downloaded from the Internet, so it was both blocky (pixels about half a cm) and obviously jpeg compressed
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As in adding DP?
Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 8:59 pm
yeah, taking an image and turning it into dots for printing. it's a cheap way of making enlargements look nice, like @Corwin "weasel" Brence is saying
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instead of relying on the computer to upscale an image you are relying on the human brain, the best computer of all
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 9:00 pm
there used to be an online generator i used once, i can't remember exactly what it was called, you'd feed it an image and it'd convert it into black and white dots, split into 8x11 pages in PDF format
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so you could just print a huge scale picture with a regular printer
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 9:01 pm
yeah that was big in like, 2005
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/8/2023 9:03 pm
I will need to tell the museum guy that. He does want to do wall prints.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 9:11 pm
ancient photo of the results of that program (from... 2006)
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could have trimmed the white edges but i think i made a conscious decision to leave them
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 9:19 pm
I had a screenshot from ico on my cubicle at gamasutra in 2005
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it was kinda fun to make giant wall art with an office printer
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 9:20 pm
oh i think the program was called "Rasterbator"
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 9:20 pm
wow, yes it was
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 9:20 pm
another wonderful artifact of the early-aughts 🤣
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Frank Cifaldi 9/8/2023 9:20 pm
my brain is doing that thing where it accesses dormant files from over a decade ago
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kind of a weird wave
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/8/2023 9:21 pm
i feel like nostalgia waves are good for your brain sometimes
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on the other hand it's pretty frustrating when i can't remember an actor's name that i'd definitely seen in a movie only a month ago
9:22 pm
brains are awesome but also brains kinda suck
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ahhhhh I found my old work office photo
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looks like 2006
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what are those illustrations, eboy?
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ukiyo-e style artist, birds vs cats, trying to remember her name
10:44 pm
moira hahn?
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oh nice!
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Oh, stylish wallprint
11:14 pm
Works nicely with the little window view.
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Cozy
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Glad you guys like the dot pattern. That one was my idea, the image quality was all over the place so we were struggling to really have them match (plus I think there were one or two images that we scanned like that). Was happy it worked, some of the initial tests were rough
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We also added a tiny bit of noise to the images, which helped trick the brain
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And again, even out the quality some
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Our graphics people took them to the next level, and worked with some super talented people to get them on the wall looking great. I watched them put up some of the wall graphics, and it's wild, just the precision needed to do it
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I think the Muriel Tramis image was super low quality, so I'm still not sure how they got that one looking so good, even with all the techniques.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/8/2023 5:08 am
Question for the Nintendo knowledgable: Was the D-Pad ever called the T-Pad? Was it always known as the D-Pad?
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I've only ever heard control pad and directional pad (d-pad), what would the T be?
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SMB3 manual
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/8/2023 5:27 am
Presumably because it's cross-shaped.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/8/2023 5:39 am
I'm trying to remember what game manual called it the "D button"
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it might have been something Sega
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
it might have been something Sega
Yup, can confirm “d button” used in sonic 2
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Live 95 has “d-pad”
12:47 pm
Atomic robo-kid has “control pad”—it was the Wild West out there!
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Least Weasel 12/8/2023 2:05 pm
It makes me think of the levels of cleverness to Tunic
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Turns out The Holy Cross is just the d-pad, which is the means of entering commands for hidden magicks
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Least Weasel 12/8/2023 2:37 pm
I love how we live in a time where there are talented people that make games that touch deep roots of the medium in clever ways like that
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Jason Scott 12/8/2023 3:11 pm
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/8/2023 3:20 pm
Frank needs to get a new publicity photo with full beard.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/8/2023 3:50 pm
I'm in this photo - and I like it.
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izzy (she/her) 12/8/2023 6:58 pm
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/8/2023 7:13 pm
Loopy panel was even more packed
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Phil Salvador 12/8/2023 7:59 pm
Loopy mania is here
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/8/2023 10:51 pm
Loopy’s time is now
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 12/8/2023 11:05 pm
long island goes loopy for the loopy
11:05 pm
"I've combined loopy and loopy into one word! Loopy-loopy!"
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Can’t believe I finally saw one in person
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Finally know what the color really looks like…kind of a dull periwinkle
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I also played an M2 😳
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/8/2023 1:43 am
I really like the loopy industrial design
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It’s a pretty system
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Frank Cifaldi 13/8/2023 1:53 am
I saw Kevin and Kory it was cool
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Oh and @Jason Scott!
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I bought myself an fz-1, now I just have to dig out my old gex cd
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(Or just wait for my ode to arrive face_01 )
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Seriously, though, I was blown away by lirge, the exhibits just kept going and going, I was lost in a labyrinth of obscure consoles
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Finally played a pc-fx, an unexpected highlight
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Looking forward to the panel with Rachel tomorrow! Hope the main hall is more accommodating…can’t believe they stuck you in a high school bio lab with standing room only today!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/8/2023 2:32 am
I’m gonna try and make at least part of the panel tomorrow, I gotta head out between 12-1 to get home in time but it sounds so cool!
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SO MANY BLAST CITIES
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/8/2023 3:22 am
Well, it's done. I don't know how to make this emulate in browser (haven't done that research yet) but I've now successfully preserved this full registered version of a game that not even Mobygames knew existed before today. https://archive.org/details/games-mag-word-puzzles
A collection of over 200 word puzzles licensed from print publication Games Magazine, compiled into an IBM-compatible DOS game by Villa Crespo Software. Puzzle...
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3:22 am
And sure, it's got two other uploads on Archive, but they're both of the shareware version.
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Jason Scott 13/8/2023 3:23 am
Upload a second one with just the zip file and I can make it emulate
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Jason Scott
Upload a second one with just the zip file and I can make it emulate
Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/8/2023 3:25 am
A collection of over 200 word puzzles licensed from print publication Games Magazine, compiled into an IBM-compatible DOS game by Villa Crespo Software....
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thank you extremely so much in advance 🙇‍♂️
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also went ahead and submitted a mobygames page for it since the included manual has a full credits list for it and everything
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it uh. might be a while 😅
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Jason Scott 13/8/2023 4:05 am
Booty
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/8/2023 4:09 am
neat, thanks 👍
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
neat, thanks 👍
Jason Scott 13/8/2023 12:51 pm
Gave it some screenshots.
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Anyone going to Magfest? Tempted to go but it's a big ticket.
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Anyone going to Magfest? Tempted to go but it's a big ticket.
Phil Salvador 14/8/2023 6:47 am
If they'll have us back this year, yes! MAGFest is absolutely worth the price, assuming you can get a hotel room which is more difficult
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Next time I go back, Ill have to do something different.
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Jason Scott 14/8/2023 2:14 pm
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Ethan Whitted 14/8/2023 4:29 pm
Lol the "FOR NOW" spook font 😄
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What was that slide about?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/8/2023 4:31 pm
looked like it was about game magazines
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and, yeah, those get issued takedowns with an unfortunate frequency
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Jason Scott 14/8/2023 4:31 pm
Just Frank poking IA for respecting takedown notices
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
and, yeah, those get issued takedowns with an unfortunate frequency
Ethan Whitted 14/8/2023 4:39 pm
Do they really? Why? Most of them are out of print.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/8/2023 4:39 pm
Future Publishing among others. Reasons are unclear but it happens
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Ethan Whitted 14/8/2023 4:40 pm
Yucky
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/8/2023 4:40 pm
i can only imagine they feel that ordering of back issues is enough of a revenue source that they can't abide by them being freely available
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ultimately if you are a large company and you are scanning for certain new magazines, you're going to have a list of all/most of your mags (edited)
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so like, 'don't upload the latest issue of Edge' becomes - unfortunately - 'all Edges need to go'.
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doesn't cost you much extra for that
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Ethan Whitted 14/8/2023 4:40 pm
That sucks
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(i mean i may agree that they don't need to do ancient mags from defunct systems, not sure if they do.)
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(i mean i may agree that they don't need to do ancient mags from defunct systems, not sure if they do.)
Ethan Whitted 14/8/2023 5:14 pm
Current stuff or even somewhat-recent-in-the-last-ten-years stuff I understand not wanting posted.
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But really old stuff?
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i know that one of the arcade trade magazines sells old PDFs so is not happy with it
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(posting old stuff)
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 5:25 pm
No they sell old physical back issues, not PDFs
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I have a feeling that a bunch of print companies are looking at LLM as a potential payday for licensing their back catalogue of written work to get scraped
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oh, ok!
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crazy that they have 1986 real back issues for sale
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 5:54 pm
I think the editor is also the same?
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but makes sense why they might be weird about scans (even if it's all-around weird)
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hah
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37 years later
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/8/2023 5:59 pm
Eddie doesn't do all the day to day anymore but he is still there. (edited)
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I did broach the subject of preservation with him but he said I'd need to talk to the person who's actually running things.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 6:03 pm
What did you want to talk about specifically?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/8/2023 6:03 pm
Preserving the magazines through an official means. Not that I said it outright. Of course now that they've struck GA I dunno how far we'd get in any official talks 🤪
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 6:04 pm
Did they go after GA? I thought it was just an IA takedown
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/8/2023 6:05 pm
Yeah that's what I meant.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 6:05 pm
Ah ok
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/8/2023 6:06 pm
Perhaps if come at from the right angle we could do something. I know they have at least some amount of original photographs.
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But they are a business and one that only reluctantly acquiesced to the digital age so I'm not too hopeful.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/8/2023 6:26 pm
I think this is a "find an excuse to visit in person" situation
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/8/2023 6:32 pm
Well you're all closer than I am!
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Just beat Ridge Racer 5, a launch title for the PS2. After I beat Ape Escape I had an itch to play a racing game, and Ridge Racer 5 has been in my collection for a very long time, but never played it until a few days ago, this game is a lot of fun, and the final race was really intense. The graphics are beautiful, the game runs extremely well, and the soundtrack is fantastic
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I’m impressed—I could barely make it through the first few races back in the day…I feel like I had a fundamental lack of understanding of the game mechanics 😅
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It does look gorgeous though. I played a bit of it again when I first got my retrotink 5x. So smooth.
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Yeah, it takes some getting used to
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Especially because the cars are so heavy, and turning is almost a nightmare, but once you get the hang of it, it's not that bad
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interesting piece (not about games but of some relevance obv.)
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Jason Scott 15/8/2023 3:49 am
Bring it
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crazy that they have 1986 real back issues for sale
Mike Bentley 15/8/2023 4:00 am
I bought some through there recently
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 15/8/2023 4:16 pm
Remember that time Sony got hacked in 2011 and had to rebuild their entire network infrastructure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A4zcJaPLk
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector"
Remember that time Sony got hacked in 2011 and had to rebuild their entire network infrastructure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A4zcJaPLk
Ethan Whitted 15/8/2023 4:30 pm
Hah, yes. Great for preservationists and historians, not great for Sony or most other people.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/8/2023 6:01 pm
yeah, the new lawsuit reeks of "we smell blood in the water even though this doesn't really impact our bottom line"
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the emergency book lending thing even at the time struck me as a very bad idea. Undermining CDL entirely by making it uncontrolled is just bad
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Phil Salvador 15/8/2023 7:06 pm
Right now the damage currently seems to thankfully be limited to "no digital sharing scanned books that are available as ebooks"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/8/2023 7:07 pm
hopefully that stays the case
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though frankly even that seems kinda shit
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/8/2023 7:11 pm
It is. But hey welcome to the state of copyright.
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is that the same as borrowing a book on IA or something else
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/8/2023 7:14 pm
yeah, CDL is where they have the book on the shelf somewhere but they check it out digitally for like an hour or whatever
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the idea being you can only digitally lend out as many copies of the book as you physically have
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the premise is identical to physically lending a book out but the publishers don't like it because ebooks are a racket and a lucrative money sink to hit libraries with
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they just didn't seem too confident they could get it shut down until the IA decided to lift the CDL limits during covid, at which point they went after the entire concept
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(in practice only the IA really does CDL because most libraries don't have those kinds of resources but nevertheless)
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Jason Scott 15/8/2023 7:18 pm
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Matt Clawson 15/8/2023 7:33 pm
"Bootleg Adam Conover reads a book"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/8/2023 2:05 am
hey all. ToeJam & Earl is heavily inspired by Hawaiian culture after creator Greg Johnson fell in love visiting the islands. A few years ago Greg and his wife Sirena moved to Maui, Lahaina and now they've unfortunately lost everything in the wildfires. https://t.co/wGMJJzljWc
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Talking with one of our interns and mentioned "NES on a chip". His response 😐
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@Frank Cifaldi going through some old stuff, found some official pac-man related esoterica
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Frank Cifaldi 16/8/2023 2:43 pm
pacman_ebooks
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Ahh, the good old days of Twitter, when spam accounts could be amusing
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Conspicuous lack of a comma on there, will have to see if the ebooks are pac-man related godman
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Talking with one of our interns and mentioned "NES on a chip". His response 😐
tell him you had to search altavista for what a google was
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Steve Lin
Talking with one of our interns and mentioned "NES on a chip". His response 😐
Matt Clawson 16/8/2023 3:55 pm
what's the probationary period
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:07 pm
whoa, on a CF card
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my iPAQ takes those
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Yeah, this must have been for my iPAQ (which needed one of those plastic “sleds” to even read cf cards!)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
It is. But hey welcome to the state of copyright.
Ethan Whitted 16/8/2023 4:17 pm
And remember, U.S. copyrights length only get longer, not shorter 👈👈
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:17 pm
all's i know is i'm gonna have to search for that thing on ebay, it belongs in my small-but-still-significant collection of Physical Releases of PDA Games
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huh, going for 20 bucks, that's not bad
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
whoa, on a CF card
Ethan Whitted 16/8/2023 4:18 pm
I don't think I ever used this, is this essentially the SD card precursor?
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And remember, U.S. copyrights length only get longer, not shorter 👈👈
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/8/2023 4:19 pm
except music copyright, which has gone from a patchwork that effectively meant eternal copyright to now having a defined length of time (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:19 pm
CompactFlash still gets used, I think for the time it was slightly cheaper to license the tech than SD was, but the big draw of it is that it's almost pin-compatible with IDE, so it's extremely easy to adapt it to act like an IDE hard drive
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These days, its biggest use is in industrial equipment.
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The last time I bought used CF cards (sold as blanks), they had firmware from IBM servers on them
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There were also some adorable little hitachi and ibm spinning hdds sold in the cf format 🥰
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:21 pm
oh yeah, CF microdrives existed, those are cute
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There it is!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:22 pm
spinning platter in this, this would have been from '98 or '99 or so
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1 GB? Did that thing cost a mortgage?
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Mind boggling tech at the time, at least for me
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:22 pm
It would have been cheaper at the time than 1 GB of flash memory
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what i find myself using them a lot for now, besides acting like hard drives in my retro computers (just refurbed a '97 Toughbook with one), is that it's fully pin-compatible with PCMCIA, so you just slot it into one of these:
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and your laptop can read 'em without even installing a driver
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Matt Clawson 16/8/2023 4:24 pm
classic ipods used similar small HDDs!
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@Frank Cifaldi going through some old stuff, found some official pac-man related esoterica
Ethan Whitted 16/8/2023 4:24 pm
Hey @kory if you or anyone else take video footage of what it looks like when you boot up this card and play some of the software on it, I would love to see it.
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(And maybe use it for preservation.)
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Hey @kory if you or anyone else take video footage of what it looks like when you boot up this card and play some of the software on it, I would love to see it.
I’ll let you know! Have to cobble my pocket PC stuff together, pretty sure I have it all accounted for
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At the very least I can try to archive the contents if not already out there
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Only annoying thing about the micro drives was that they were CF type II, so a bit thicker than most smaller device slots could accommodate
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 16/8/2023 4:27 pm
it will probably just have a regular FAT filesystem on the card, so if you have a good card reader you should be able to read it - just be wary of what your OS will do when it mounts the drive, you're probably gonna get phantom System Volume Information folders and such and I don't know what to do about those if the card isn't write-protected from the factory
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CF had many times more capacity (physical size) and speed (parallel vs serial). it also took a long time for SD to become the winner from the small cards like smartmedia/memorystick/mmc/xd
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woah! i used to play rocket jockey a ton with a friend and we had a blast, he'll be stoked to hear i remember patching it so we can play multiplayer on LAN, one of the few jewel cases that i still own!
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kory
At the very least I can try to archive the contents if not already out there
Ethan Whitted 16/8/2023 6:06 pm
Awesome, thanks!
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Jeremy Seith 16/8/2023 6:39 pm
cf was a big ecosystem thing around 2009 for microbudget film. running audio recorders on cf meant you could help out in a pinch with spare cards for canon dslrs. the dslrs could shoot 1h continuous video on cf, stuff running on sd would max at 10m
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector"
Remember that time Sony got hacked in 2011 and had to rebuild their entire network infrastructure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66A4zcJaPLk
As a person hired to help rebuild said infrastructure... yeah I remember 😄
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Phil Salvador 16/8/2023 8:02 pm
Obsidian getting a reissue is a miracle
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huh, i always thought itwas on gog
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I mixed up that game and starship titanic for years
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 1:53 pm
The Xbox 360 Store Will Close July 2024, But You Can Keep Playing Your Favorite Games https://t.co/GcIoxueXp0
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It’s finally coming down
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And I presume walloping that 13% of available pre-2010 games further
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Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 2:20 pm
Welp
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Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 2:40 pm
Did the math, this would drop the results of our sample from 13.2% to 13%
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 2:40 pm
actually not as bad as I expected
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I guess a fair bit of pre-2010 360 stuff is backwards compatible
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Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 2:41 pm
Yeah, as long as those are still purchaseable, which it sounds like they will be
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I looked at items on the survey they have the marketplace.xbox.com address
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I think what we need is to identify all 360 downloadable titles and see what percentage of them are disappearing (not on Steam, and assuming PS3 doesn't count anymore for technical issue reasons)
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The 360 marketplace also has video and marketing assets linked to some titles. (listed as dlc sometimes) Some from the times before everything hit youtube by default which may be hard to find in HD resolutions. (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 3:10 pm
Oh yeah there’s also the avatars and dashboard themes etc that will go down with the 360 storefront
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Wonder how many of those people have scooped up to preserve
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I wonder how the numbers there compare to the Wii U/3DS effort
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Oh yeah there’s also the avatars and dashboard themes etc that will go down with the 360 storefront
izzy (she/her) 17/8/2023 3:50 pm
whew i'm glad i got my super low res jsr gamerpic when i had the chance
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 3:52 pm
I use the low res samurai shodown 2 Charlotte gamerpic and it looks hilarious on my series x
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Yeah every generation shrinks those down further and further and I will never swap it out
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 17/8/2023 4:12 pm
i did at some point update my Xbox profile to a new style avatar but only so i could put the toaster there. .. and then i discovered that games will try to display it in fun places
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like winning a race in Forza, and suddenly my giant cigar smoking toaster is being projected on a wall behind my car
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thats always fun
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I like my banjo kazooie talking head gamerpic
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I bought it with ms points
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Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 5:29 pm
TrueAchievements has a list of all games that are not backwards compatible, although this doesn't include games that been remastered, released on other platforms, etc., and also includes disc-based games https://www.trueachievements.com/not-backwards-compatible/games
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Not every game available on the service is playable on disc or via backwards compatibility…
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Better than it could have been because of back compat
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 5:31 pm
I wonder if they count ps3 dual console releases though
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Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 5:31 pm
Okay actually, this list isn't accurate either? They count Mighty No 9 as a game that will be unavailable
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You can get that one on Steam easily
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"various titles on our list are available on other systems"
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Wietse van Bruggen 17/8/2023 5:36 pm
there was a 360 release of that?!
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As a person hired to help rebuild said infrastructure... yeah I remember 😄
Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 17/8/2023 5:44 pm
Wow, much props. I'm curious to hear any more details about this event from a developer's perspective if you are able to talk about it
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 17/8/2023 5:52 pm
And now it's time for a reddit thread on which era was the worst gaming has been through(or is currently going through even) https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15tl8ck/what_was_the_worst_eraphase_gaming_went_thru/ So far we have: -The crash of 1983 (No one remembers the 1977 Pong crash) -Early to mid 90's developers jumping on the brand new 3D technology to make a half decent game at best -Today's free to play live service model and microtransactions -The start of the PS3/360 era where software titles that featured a lot of browns -Motion Controls and Quick Time Events
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 5:54 pm
I guess I'd need to know what metric they're going with
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Frank Cifaldi 17/8/2023 5:55 pm
right, if it's worst for players than the crash is bottom of the list because it was actually great for players
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector"
Wow, much props. I'm curious to hear any more details about this event from a developer's perspective if you are able to talk about it
I don’t think I am allowed to say much, though I don’t work there any more. They really went back to pen and paper for a little while. 95% of the hardware on the business infrastructure (which is where I worked) was literally thrown out. Only a few critical and non-replaceable servers were kept, after careful analysis to assert whether they were intruded or not. For the first few months the IT team was in a white room, secluded, with armed guards at the doors. I came in a few months after that. Their workflow had become incredibly tedious, with very very high security and little usability, and every change had to be approved per committee.
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Frank Cifaldi 17/8/2023 5:56 pm
I think only the most invested people noticed an absence of new titles, regular folk had "new" games they got constantly on clearance between the crash and the NES
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 5:56 pm
and hell there were still new games coming out into 1985, just at an increasing trickle
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Frank Cifaldi 17/8/2023 5:56 pm
like I have a distinct memory of grabbing $1 Atari 2600 games at Toys R Us probably around 1988
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Also as a European the crash had little to no impact (we only heard about it a few years ago, did not even know it happened in the US)
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Frank Cifaldi 17/8/2023 5:56 pm
so that inventory was around that whole time
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MrFortyFive 17/8/2023 5:57 pm
It's a shame BC titles have already been falling off the marketplace for a while now. Microsoft's language makes it sound like purchasing BC titles is largely unaffected
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But I will double down on the PC market in the 90s, it was a nightmare for consumers because a brand new machine was basically obsolete within 18 months, sometimes faster, and could not run the latest games
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 5:58 pm
I remember Jim Levy mentioning in a Merchandising article that they didn't expect the overstock to work through the system until 85
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Even a few years later, we were still able to get Atari games. One of the first new game purchases I remember my family ever making was Pole Position from Kaybee.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 5:58 pm
and clearly the overstock from Atari itself took a while longer
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and like, the worst era for preservationists is probably right now since you've got all those mobile and pc games constantly churning on and off the market
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plus games that need an online connection to function
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this is also one of those bizarre arguments because nobody talks about movies or music like this
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this is also one of those bizarre arguments because nobody talks about movies or music like this
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:00 pm
oh movies are easy, the Hays Code era
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:01 pm
Hard disagree
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that depends what "Hays Code era" is because the Hays Code lasted from 1934-1968
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 6:02 pm
I think every platform has fallow periods. It's hard to say "all major console games sucked between x and y" when you're restricting your viewpoint.
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and also only applied to American films
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:02 pm
Also, there were still lots of great movies coming out in that time period
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 6:03 pm
I think home computer gaming was in a real rut from like 86-89 but there was still good stuff.
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:03 pm
I would say early to mid 60s is a particularly rough period for movies
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Nate Lockhart
Also, there were still lots of great movies coming out in that time period
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:04 pm
yeah but it's a long period and a comparatively small number of good movies
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:04 pm
Again, disagree
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I think the early to mid 60s are kind of a struggle because Hollywood hadn't yet found a way to differentiate itself in a changing media landscape
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Also, there were still lots of great movies coming out in that time period
this is what I mean. I think even in "bad eras" like what were generalized in that reddit thread you can still find both iconic, respected classics and smaller hidden gems. or if people are saying the earliest years of gaming (which in mainstream gamer terms is probably up to the 1983 crash) that can just be chalked up to the medium inventing itself (and even then I'm sure there's people that would defend games from the 60s/70s as classics)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:07 pm
I sure saw someone yesterday declare they don't play video games older than they are because they suck (he was born in 2000)
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:08 pm
I mean, it's all just sort of a fun parlor conversation, I don't think anyone can make an obvious agreed upon claim
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Nate Lockhart
I think the early to mid 60s are kind of a struggle because Hollywood hadn't yet found a way to differentiate itself in a changing media landscape
maybe but this was also the period of the French New Wave
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maybe but this was also the period of the French New Wave
Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:08 pm
Right! This just sort of applies to American films, and even then, there's still stone cold classics
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:09 pm
and in fairness I think most people are disinclined to play video games older than they are, but still (edited)
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector"
And now it's time for a reddit thread on which era was the worst gaming has been through(or is currently going through even) https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15tl8ck/what_was_the_worst_eraphase_gaming_went_thru/ So far we have: -The crash of 1983 (No one remembers the 1977 Pong crash) -Early to mid 90's developers jumping on the brand new 3D technology to make a half decent game at best -Today's free to play live service model and microtransactions -The start of the PS3/360 era where software titles that featured a lot of browns -Motion Controls and Quick Time Events
Iguana Helium Cube 17/8/2023 6:10 pm
The early 360/PS3 era being in there is so funny to me. Yeah, there were a lot of titles associated with brown colors, but it's so funny to look back at, like, 2007-2008 and ask if that's the worst games have ever been.
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:11 pm
I can definitely say I wasn't into a lot of the big titles at that time, but thats just personal taste (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 17/8/2023 6:15 pm
i still look back on that era very fondly but i think it's largely because i was really into handheld and indie games at the time
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Iguana Helium Cube
The early 360/PS3 era being in there is so funny to me. Yeah, there were a lot of titles associated with brown colors, but it's so funny to look back at, like, 2007-2008 and ask if that's the worst games have ever been.
That era was rough enough to convince me to quit games for a few years
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I was fully checked out of games from like 2006-2009
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it was why I went into a game development program at college
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 17/8/2023 6:18 pm
i was definitely not into the big prestige titles at the time (halo 3, motorstorm, god of war 2, heavenly sword) but i was definitely having fun with metal gear acid 2, etrian odyssey, and that stuff
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because all new games were bad
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and they were going to need people to make good games again
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Wietse van Bruggen 17/8/2023 6:20 pm
for me, 360 brought me back into games big time.
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I kinda dazzled out a bit in ps2/gc/xbox times
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So the platforms holds fond memories for me
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 6:20 pm
I think that era (PS2/gc/xbox) was the strongest, for me. Still experimental, but things didn't play like ass. (edited)
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Wietse van Bruggen 17/8/2023 6:20 pm
I felt like it provided new energy.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:21 pm
there's stuff I've really enjoyed in pretty much any given era
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I look back fondly on the 360 from 2005-2008 or 2009 or so, basically pre-Kinect. Minus all the hardware issues of course
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I was fully checked out of games from like 2006-2009
Iguana Helium Cube 17/8/2023 6:22 pm
That's how I felt about games from about 2012-2016. I was out on most every new title, and wasn't inclined to pick up new consoles. But I find my interest in games waxes and wanes from time to time
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yeah I think thats why the reddit thread is rubbing me the wrong way, its really just "which years had the worst best-selling video games"
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Iguana Helium Cube
That's how I felt about games from about 2012-2016. I was out on most every new title, and wasn't inclined to pick up new consoles. But I find my interest in games waxes and wanes from time to time
Phil Salvador 17/8/2023 6:32 pm
Yeah I think if I had to play anti-favorites, it would be that era because I realized I didn't care about the AAA stuff that was coming out anymore. But I think that's about me as much as the games themselves
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 6:33 pm
and that era gave you Killer Instinct, so
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how bad can it truly be
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:43 pm
It's a lot easier and less controversial to ask "what's your least favorite era of gaming?"
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 6:49 pm
No no Nate, then people can't disagree. That's engagement rules.
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my favorite era is early Acorn Archimedes scene. weird chaos!
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they had Acorn Archimedes-es at my high school
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Nate Lockhart 17/8/2023 6:55 pm
I know as much about the Archimedes as I do about, say, the Casio Loopy
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Which is to say, very little
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Just declare the worst year in gaming was 1998 then close the tab and go make a real good meal.
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Wellness tips with SoH.
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@Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" Beginning of the 6th gen was amazing for memes. https://youtu.be/Eo5rSIdfVOU
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Chad Warden was right.
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@Iguana Helium Cube @Phil Salvador 2012 onwards was peak no games period. https://youtu.be/l1JEmnTjdyA
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:15 pm
I know Zarch was on the Archimedes. This is all I know about the Archimedes.
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lousy zarch weather
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archimedes had a lot of 'bedroom programmer' archimedes only games
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When and where was this system available?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:20 pm
(Also the first commercial implementation of an ARM processor)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:21 pm
Uck. Laird's Lair is kind of a douche.
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oh really? i know nothing about it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:21 pm
Big Youtube drama stuff.
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BrightNoah
When and where was this system available?
UK, 1987 to early 90s, mainly.
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Ah, it's another Zed X Spectrum thing.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:22 pm
I mean in terms of "larger impact limited to Europe" yes, but no relation in the hardware. (edited)
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well it's the follow-up to the BBC Micro
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System that only the British have nostalgia for.
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and the Acorn Electron
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well it's the follow-up to the BBC Micro
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:22 pm
The second* follow up to the BBC Micro 😉
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so even more British than the Spectrum maybe? 😛
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i feel like some Europeans cared about the Spectrum
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(maybe)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:23 pm
Remember when ARM stood for Acorn RISC Machine
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Remember when ARM was still British?
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because all those BBC/Acorn machines were quite education related and UK specific, they didn't get conversions of most games. So at the time, you would see C64/Amstrad CPC (!)/Spectrum games simul-ship
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i feel like some Europeans cared about the Spectrum
Spectrum had a big following in eastern europe five years later then in the UK 😄
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but Electron/BBC Micro and then Archimedes stuff was just doing its thing
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off in a corner
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(a lot of them were in schools)
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So it's the Zed X Apple II 😛
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I will say as an American born in 96 the British computer scene is completely baffling to me
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i was born in Britain in 1975 so i am perfect era for weird British computers
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I assume you all seen the saved 1990's video game console war fun posting.
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@Iguana Helium Cube @Phil Salvador 2012 onwards was peak no games period. https://youtu.be/l1JEmnTjdyA
Iguana Helium Cube 17/8/2023 7:30 pm
As a Series X owner who is mostly just using it for 4K discs... I feel this. Ouch
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Remember when video games were good?
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Nate Lockhart
I know as much about the Archimedes as I do about, say, the Casio Loopy
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/8/2023 7:33 pm
it's pretty cool, that Loopy
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emulator finally exists for it and will be showing up to mame soon
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BrightNoah
Remember when video games were good?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:34 pm
No.
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Nothing really changes.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 17/8/2023 7:44 pm
This was also before the system was even out.
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So an odd curiosity of the 360 store shutting down, that likely won't get any attention and understandable it is incredibly minor but I feel like VGHF is all about the incredibly minor. Most (all?) XBLA games required an online component, usually a leaderboard. There are some very small communities that still use these because while not totally impossible to cheat, you have to have a valid Xbox live account and an unbanned console so it shields it from the most common cheat vectors.
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While nice, the odd thing here is it has the inverse effect.
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Since you won't be able to purchase the game anymore, you also will not be able to pirate it because trying to connect will get your console banned. So once taken offline the only people that will still be able to play in this space will be those who have a valid purchase from the time available.
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I don't really have a point here, or a call to action, just an observation.
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I don’t think I am allowed to say much, though I don’t work there any more. They really went back to pen and paper for a little while. 95% of the hardware on the business infrastructure (which is where I worked) was literally thrown out. Only a few critical and non-replaceable servers were kept, after careful analysis to assert whether they were intruded or not. For the first few months the IT team was in a white room, secluded, with armed guards at the doors. I came in a few months after that. Their workflow had become incredibly tedious, with very very high security and little usability, and every change had to be approved per committee.
Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 17/8/2023 11:27 pm
That is wild my guy! Thanks for sharing.
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@Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" Beginning of the 6th gen was amazing for memes. https://youtu.be/Eo5rSIdfVOU
DarkSol 17/8/2023 11:47 pm
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I had no idea Fragmaster's rant about Final Fantasy XIII got quoted in Persona 4
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Ethan Whitted 18/8/2023 6:01 am
I was just reading an N64 retrospective discussion piece in the Nintendo Force magazine a few months back that essentially said the same thing.
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SoH
So an odd curiosity of the 360 store shutting down, that likely won't get any attention and understandable it is incredibly minor but I feel like VGHF is all about the incredibly minor. Most (all?) XBLA games required an online component, usually a leaderboard. There are some very small communities that still use these because while not totally impossible to cheat, you have to have a valid Xbox live account and an unbanned console so it shields it from the most common cheat vectors.
360 XBLA games are incredibly easy to hack to give access to the full game, leaderboards usually arent necessary.
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The neat part about the XBLA is that the trial versions are just the full versions of the game, so it's essentially just a flag to unlock it
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Borman
360 XBLA games are incredibly easy to hack to give access to the full game, leaderboards usually arent necessary.
While true I was speaking specifically to the niche communities that do care about the leaderboards.
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Ah I see, I misread it 🙂
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Here's my August pick ups
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Here's my August pick ups
What’s going on with that gcn? Is that an official variant? I like the color!
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It's not, the guy that brought it in did a custom paint job on the console
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I call it the jungle green GameCube
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Pretty cool! Much less likely to be spotted in the jungle than the spice orange
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The spice orange GameCube is pretty spicy
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That hi res mode in excitebike 64 is pretty impressive, I feel like it was at least slightly playable compared to perfect dark (maybe I’m giving it too much credit 😅)
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Matt Clawson 18/8/2023 4:58 pm
wait is this not parody
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Matt Clawson
wait is this not parody
DarkSol 18/8/2023 5:33 pm
It is. That's Fragmaster, who is of notable Something Awful fame.
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He's totally being sarcastic, which is hilarious since so many people in the comments section took his "rant" seriously.
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Matt Clawson 18/8/2023 5:34 pm
oh ok thank goodness
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DarkSol 18/8/2023 5:35 pm
It's great.
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I had a purple GameCube... Kinda wish I had gotten the spce orange one.
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I had a spice one at launch, but it didn’t exactly survive the rigors of college dorm melee…fortunately I found another one in very nice condition a couple years ago! I saw one complete in box (NIB??) at LI Retro, I think they were asking like $250 iirc? (edited)
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Oh, referring to controller btw, didn’t realize you meant the console
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Definitely would have gotten one of those if they made it to the US
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btw i presume bay area folks know this, but it's https://caextreme.org/ this weekend
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(lots of good/weird arcade and pinball)
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Jason Scott 19/8/2023 1:28 am
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Slim pickins in PREVIEWS magazine
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But I love that they specifically have a Licensing section
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BrightNoah
Remember when video games were good?
I actually do, its called "childhood and adolescence"
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So it varies from person to person
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Mine (late 80s through the 90s) was the Golden Age, of course 🙂 (edited)
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Jason Scott 19/8/2023 1:20 pm
The second act is better than the first, and for a musical based on a movie it is a good show.
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I went because Roger Bart was doc and he did a good job
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They took the Libyans out
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Slim pickins in PREVIEWS magazine
Frank Cifaldi 19/8/2023 2:41 pm
Good to know that we don't have to think about these!
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Also I don't think I've seen one since around 1992
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Jason Scott
They took the Libyans out
At first I read this as meaning Marty and doc mowed them down in this adaptation, which was a surprising choice
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I should probably go cool down for a few minutes before writing this as I'm still quite upset after learning this news, but at the same time this is something worth getting upset about and I think an angry slant to my words is justified in this case.
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Least Weasel 19/8/2023 11:53 pm
Whelp. Apple doesn't give a crap about games. Noted
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So ... what does one do about this?
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Least Weasel 20/8/2023 10:36 am
Are we lucky that the platforms we care about preserving are these solid things that don't change and continue to update because it's part of a lineage of successful devices built around planned obsolescence?
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I feel like preservation in the age of digital is going to get like preserving for phones
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Eventually there won't be a PlayStation 6 or 7 or whatever. The hardware will update as phones do. Old software will be lost to 32-bitpocalpyses and arbitrary update failures and no one will care
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I need something to be positive about. Halp
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/8/2023 1:50 pm
I mean with more power comes the ability to software emulate. If we push the companies to keep up software emulation as Microsoft has been largely good about doing, the fear will be lessened.
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I think curation and storytelling will become essential as it becomes impossible to preserve every individual title
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Like any category of history
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Wietse van Bruggen 21/8/2023 2:35 pm
breaking news
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I've just found out that the steamroller that steamroller mario rides has found a new owner
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Bijzonder trots zijn wij op onze nieuwste aanwinst, de stoomwals “COR”. Deze mochten wij onlangs overnemen van de Stichting Stoomwals Cor. Stoomwals Cor is van het bouwjaar 1916 en de oorspronkelijke eigenaar was het Stoomwalsbedrijf Boesewinkel uit Zutphen Op 25 maart arriveerde de “Cor” in Vinkel onder begeleiding van de eigenaars.
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its now in a museum about construction machinery
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 21/8/2023 2:36 pm
they need a photo of the steamroller mario suit next to it
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Frank Cifaldi 21/8/2023 2:36 pm
@Art of Nintendo Power donate your Mario costume
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
they need a photo of the steamroller mario suit next to it
Sounds like next years prge exhibit is coming together
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
they need a photo of the steamroller mario suit next to it
Wietse van Bruggen 21/8/2023 2:38 pm
someone is gonna ask around if the suit still exists
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We probably think it doesn't exist anymore
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SoH
If relatively straightman mario voice is what they are going with I just don't see how they ever go back to Charles Martinet
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retrohistories 21/8/2023 3:25 pm
"as far back as Super Mario 64"
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Frank Cifaldi 21/8/2023 3:25 pm
actually
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 21/8/2023 4:29 pm
I did actually do a little historical dive on Martinet a little while back. Some may find it interesting if you don't know much about MIRT https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1591467018036944901
There's a story about how Charles Martinet became the voice of Mario. Nintendo was holding an audition, he crashed it, and got the part through sheer force of personality. However, this story might not be exactly accurate.
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good, now he’ll have more time to work on his other characters https://youtube.com/watch?v=OLspEYKeyS8&feature=sharea
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Get ready for a blast from the past 🕹️ We're thrilled to announce that the iconic Sonic statue from SEGAWORLD London has been found and restored to its former glory! Don't miss the chance to see this piece of gaming history at our booth at #gamescom after more than 20 years 🎉
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Oh cool, I saw one of those sonic statues in person. They had it in the basement of a thrift store in san francisco around 2000-2001
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they wanted $400 for it, which was more than I was willing to spend as a teenager
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It's such a cute statue.
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The music in this video is really good.
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Kate Willært 22/8/2023 2:48 am
Lauren Elliott -- co-creator of Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego -- did the animation for this big cat enemy, which was cut from Karateka. This is the first time the cat has ever been shown, retrieved from Jordan's floppy disks.
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I thought about putting this in Litterbox for a moment because it involves a big cat, but nah
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Matt Clawson 22/8/2023 3:17 pm
I am so stoked to play/experience this release.
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Wietse van Bruggen
I've just found out that the steamroller that steamroller mario rides has found a new owner
Ethan Whitted 22/8/2023 9:53 pm
Does anyone have video of steamroller Mario?
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Wietse van Bruggen 22/8/2023 9:53 pm
There is video of steamroller mario, but not on the steamroller (edited)
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unfortunately I can't make it public
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Ethan Whitted 22/8/2023 9:55 pm
Aw dang 😭
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Where did he first appear?
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Wietse van Bruggen 22/8/2023 9:59 pm
hard to say, nintendo netherlands/ benelux used the suit in the early 90's to at least the late 90's (edited)
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Phil Salvador 25/8/2023 2:00 pm
Interesting quote from Phil Spencer that'll be useful in the future: https://www.eurogamer.net/the-definitive-xbox-gamescom-interview
One of the things we do is ship all of our games on PC, because I actually think PC is the best ecosystem for game preservation because it's not tied to one piece of hardware. So at the meta level, if we think about video games as pieces of software, the more that software isn't dependent on a physical device, the more preserved it can be in the long run.
Earlier today I spoke with Xbox boss Phil Spencer to discuss the company's future in video games. Of course, there is t…
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Phil Salvador
Interesting quote from Phil Spencer that'll be useful in the future: https://www.eurogamer.net/the-definitive-xbox-gamescom-interview
One of the things we do is ship all of our games on PC, because I actually think PC is the best ecosystem for game preservation because it's not tied to one piece of hardware. So at the meta level, if we think about video games as pieces of software, the more that software isn't dependent on a physical device, the more preserved it can be in the long run.
Ethan Whitted 25/8/2023 6:23 pm
That seems so opposite of how I have always thought about it!
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Least Weasel 25/8/2023 6:52 pm
He's not wrong. How many of you have emulator machines that play everything regardless of what it was originally made for?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/8/2023 6:53 pm
well that's predicated on a good emulator existing
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I'll grant that Spencer probably doesn't actually care about preservation of these releases necessarily vs making up more money than they'd get off just the xbox, but it's a nice attitude
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Rare Replay on PC when (edited)
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Jason Scott 25/8/2023 6:56 pm
HELLO HELLO
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So, taking the stolen source from the Sony Leak and refactoring the RAGE ATi remix of Wipeout from the original PSX ported sloppily to PC, optimising the code as best you can, and then shoving the whole thing into a WASM compiled version, which you then explain in the blog entry how you did it?
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STRONG ENDORSE
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LuigiBlood
Rare Replay on PC when (edited)
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/8/2023 7:01 pm
Microsoft doesn't think the PC is ready for Atic Atac clearly
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Is this actually from Squaresoft?
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Not seeing a single source for this SNES FFVII screenshot
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and it wouldn't be the first time a magazine mocked up something themselves, a la FFIV on the famicom (edited)
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It is
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It is in one of the Ultimanias
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would have been nice if any of the wikis thought that was important information
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One of these iirc. At least that's what I can recall
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Phil Salvador
Interesting quote from Phil Spencer that'll be useful in the future: https://www.eurogamer.net/the-definitive-xbox-gamescom-interview
One of the things we do is ship all of our games on PC, because I actually think PC is the best ecosystem for game preservation because it's not tied to one piece of hardware. So at the meta level, if we think about video games as pieces of software, the more that software isn't dependent on a physical device, the more preserved it can be in the long run.
"video games as pieces of software" and software can be lent out by libraries, right? 🙂
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Phil Salvador 25/8/2023 8:46 pm
The law literally says "except video games" lmao
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@Lainer Polygon has an excellent oral history on ff7, and I think it is mentioned briefly that Square was doing models of the characters from 6 to test the capabilities of the n64. - https://www.polygon.com/a/final-fantasy-7
An inside look at the creation and fallout of Square's industry-defining role-playing game, as told by those who were there.
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yeah, the pedigree of that SGI test is pretty well known, but this is the first time I've seen that SFC screenshot
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Ah, gotcha, and same! Looks cool, although it now makes me want that Dragon Quest 3 that SE announced years ago and haven't talked about since.
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So, taking the stolen source from the Sony Leak and refactoring the RAGE ATi remix of Wipeout from the original PSX ported sloppily to PC, optimising the code as best you can, and then shoving the whole thing into a WASM compiled version, which you then explain in the blog entry how you did it?
that was from a sony leak? 🤔
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btw i actually paid for AntStream on the Xbox last night, the subscription thing is awkward cos it doesn't have recurring subscription options i guess
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so it's just $30 (one year) or $80 (lifetime) but that's just in the description of the item
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playing manic miner on Xbox via cloud is conceptually interesting!
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Kate Willært 26/8/2023 8:40 pm
Hm
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one thing it does well is challenges, although often on obscure games
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one current challenge is 'play joe & mac caveman ninja but if you get hit your controls reverse for 10 seconds' high score challenge, lol
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Frank Cifaldi 26/8/2023 9:11 pm
I messed with it on Epic, it's cute but couldn't hold my interest long
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it's all hooked in to leaderboards properly
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the problem seems to be the quality of the games
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lots of B- games
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Frank Cifaldi 26/8/2023 9:38 pm
Well, also, I continue to think that actually concentrating on and playing old games is not a common use case
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I think people are more interested in playing WITH old games than actually playing them, like this could be a fun thing if they did NES Remix to it or something
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Mike Bentley 26/8/2023 10:16 pm
I certainly spend a lot more time reading about old games than playing them
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 26/8/2023 10:32 pm
Spending anytime playing games leaves less time for history actually
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I'm torn over the cyclical nature of nostalgia and products. I did like the thing back then... but how much time do I really have to experience the thing again?
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Which is why the history aspect is appealing. New stories to recontextualize the thing
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:02 am
I probably play newer games more but I have a repertoire of old games I like loading up
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:36 am
I'm working on playing the most well regarded things from a given year
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I'm proud to say I have hunted the wumpus and struck it with my crooked arrow
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So far I'm up to 1975 and I'm starting to hit lost media
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:41 am
I’m impressed you found non-lost media for the previous years
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:41 am
Well, they ported Spacewar to damn near everything
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:41 am
Moonlander is a bastard to get up and running nowadays
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:42 am
Spacewar plays nicely on the Analogue Pocket
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You and Player 2 just have to be friendly
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Ha, first hit is this thing
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An open-source keyboard for serious developers, creative professionals, and people who care deeply about their craft.
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Oh ... Lunar Lander!
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Yeah, I'm not being terribly studious. If it's not readily emulatable I'm not going to break my back to do it.
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Like, Wumpus is available in browser.
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The only thing I've really found that's easy to access from the PDP series is Spacewar
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:49 am
Yeah, there’s a number of early computer games that exist as code listings and instructions but no one has bothered dealing with those obtuse emulators to rebuild them
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A good chunk of them wound up in 101 BASIC computer games though, so it’s not the worst thing in the world
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:50 am
Is there a way to get those up and running?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:51 am
Probably, I know @QuarterPast has messed with those early computer emulators and probably knows more about making them run. I just know it’s a pain
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:51 am
Insert stop making rocks think meme here
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:52 am
One day I would like to play some of those early text based golf games from like 1971 though. One even has directions on making your own courses
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The other has you play as Arnold palmer’s caddy, which is so weird
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 12:52 am
Ok that is bizarre
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 12:53 am
I think it’s their way of getting around sorting out power and angle and the like, you select a club for him and he kinda does most of the work
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QuarterPast 27/8/2023 12:59 am
Wish I could've gotten that Arnold Palmer one running but got fuzzed with in-game tape storage needs Really need to get Moonlander compiled for play on Windows systems
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 1:00 am
...can I be the monster that asks for a Mac version?
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QuarterPast 27/8/2023 1:04 am
It might be about the same amount of difficulty to compile it for Mac as Linux — Windows has a hurdle of needing a bunch of .NET stuff to compile
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 1:18 am
Ok, I've been using Wikipedia's year-in-games articles as my list of things to look into
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I'm sure this is not anywhere close to exhaustive
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Like, I didn't know what Moonlander was until you brought it up
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What year did you say, 1971?
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QuarterPast 27/8/2023 1:21 am
The graphic Moonlander by Jack Burness was 1973
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 1:22 am
I’d argue the big one for 1971 would have been Star Trek, which is pretty easy to load up on damn near anything since it got ported around so much
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 1:49 am
At the beginning of the 1970s, video games existed almost entirely as novelties passed around by programmers and technicians with access to computers, primarily at research institutions and large companies. The history of video games transitioned into a new era early in the decade, however, with the rise of the commercial video game industry.
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Any further back and it gets fuzzy
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 2:02 am
If I remember the original lunar lander text game is 1969
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 2:27 am
And that's probably why I skipped it. I knew it was given graphics at some point.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 3:38 am
These pages are awful. I keep finding myself on them.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 5:04 am
Unfortunately other than spacewar I think pretty much all 50s and 60s computer games that had visuals are lost media
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No MIDSAC pool or RCA’s demonstration games
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 5:16 am
Well not all: -Bouncing Ball's code is out there. ( @QuarterPast even looked at it!) There are many more Whirlwind games as well which have been preserved. Some likely lost, but a few have been recovered. -Stratchey's Draughts may have extant code, it's a little unclear. -Computer Tennis (Tennis For Two) can be recreated with the schematics. -Burgeson Baseball might be preserved in his collection?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 5:20 am
Yeah, but is it THE Bouncing ball version with the hole
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Wonder how that MIT Whirlwind exhibit is going
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Yeah, but is it THE Bouncing ball version with the hole
QuarterPast 27/8/2023 5:21 am
Sadly no face_08
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And Storer's text Lunar Lander was written in fall of '69 — published in DECUS 20 Jan. 1970
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 5:23 am
Some of the Dartmouth timeshare code may still exist but the book that may have it only exists in one library in central New York
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Not super conducive to checking
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But an emulator exists if so!
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Maybe I should email the library and ask if they can check the book to see if they have anything in it like that
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QuarterPast 27/8/2023 5:25 am
Oh wait, I lied — they did find that longer 300 line bouncing ball version — I really should reach out to Guy, it's been well over a year
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 5:26 am
Yes
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What about the weird Russian arcade machines no one has seen in 50 years?
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Or weird homebrew stuff on BBS's?
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What about the weird Russian arcade machines no one has seen in 50 years?
Least Weasel 27/8/2023 10:54 am
You monster! ;D This is such a rabbit hole to go down already. I think last time I mentioned any of this I joked that I'd need to consider what is a game, because if we're going to crawl back before transistors and graphics I might as well consider board games, maybe even sports.
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Better start over and start here, I guess 😛
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In all seriousness, my thoughts for inclusion and addition to my backlog was;
  • Can it be played by one person?
  • Is it accessible on modern hardware or an emulator or web browser that can run on hardware I have access to?
  • Will I like it enough to 'finish' it?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
These pages are awful. I keep finding myself on them.
Least Weasel 27/8/2023 11:05 am
What would it take to make them better?
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 11:14 am
Is this the 101 BASIC games you're talking about? http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/_Books/101_BASIC_Computer_Games_Mar75.pdf
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Yep, it has many rerelases, one of the foundational works of computer gaming
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Least Weasel
What would it take to make them better?
A lot of work, but a big amount of it not historical, but adhering to the guidelines and arguing with admins. Some people here have stories. But it's important, Wikipedia is still the first place people look for info
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 11:39 am
O-Kay. I have never edited a wiki in my life... I'll do it if I've got backup from you guys.
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Least Weasel
What would it take to make them better?
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 1:06 pm
Lots. Tons of wrong info, not anywhere near comprehensive, misinterprets the numbers we have, repeatedly mixes in electro-mechanical games in the 70s stuff, tons of duplicate entries.
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I bet you some no-lifer admin will undo your edits and require you to provide 15 sources for every claim, or he will lock the page.
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I am cynical though.
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 4:23 pm
So is it not worth the effort?
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And if so ... where do I get a list?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 4:24 pm
We'd have to make it 🤪 It's totally scattered at the moment. I believe that @QuarterPast was working on a list of DECUS filings for instance.
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He did find all the Whirlwind games referenced in the papers on that system.
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 4:25 pm
Ok. So, a spreadsheet?
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Or like, a wiki of games?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 4:26 pm
We do have a Wiki going.
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 4:26 pm
I'd love to have something saying title, publishing date, developer, publisher, platform
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 4:26 pm
I've added a bunch of early 1970s arcade games. https://morguefile.wiki/Main_Page
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 4:27 pm
And maybe a link to rereleases or remakes
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Oh ... this is exactly what I was looking for!
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You guys are great!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 4:30 pm
Here's an example page for the kind of info we want to put on here. I do need to put a "Preservation" section and add text though. https://morguefile.wiki/Computer_Space
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@Wietse van Bruggen filled out a page for his article research https://morguefile.wiki/Amsterdoom
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Least Weasel 27/8/2023 4:40 pm
Ok. Account made
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Least Weasel
And if so ... where do I get a list?
QuarterPast 27/8/2023 4:44 pm
blows three years of dust off file folder Happy to provide this map to a couple of my rabbit holes: Here's a doc listing all the games found on the Whirlwind (based on the journals and other sources from MIT) https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1na23vF60ZfEWXNZ0sWK-mJjxQ4LCqK2I4PK-Rdt5p0M/
Bouncing Ball, Battleship & More Timeline of Game Programs Created for Whirlwind I Quarter Past email: quarterpast83@gmail.com twitter: @quarterpast83 [Note: This is a timeline derived almost exclusively from reports of Project Whirlwind at MIT which are currently available online. Any reference...
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And here's a spreadsheet with all the games (and other demo miscellany) listed from DECUS documents available for PDP machines https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/15aMN7Xn5ZuhxE1C6WrA2QkCMkAvsMMv11L4ec74YXBg/
DEC #,A,A_Date,B,B_Date,Title,DECUS#,SRC,P/O,PDF,Language,Author,Company,Location,Notes,link,Restore Notes 1,03/31/1961,<,05/31/1966,THE KALAH GAME PROGRAM,1-56,N,N,A,Binary Object (FRAP),Roland Silver,Bolt, Beranek & Newman,Cambridge, MA,Pre-DECUS Lib; Allegedly dates back to Ben Edwards at MIT...
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/8/2023 4:48 pm
Forgive Dale for writing even his technical reports in ways that will make you laugh.
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We will have to look at the IBM listings again, I think there's a few other games aside from Burgeson Baseball.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/8/2023 7:51 pm
I wonder if bat baseball still exists
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 6:20 pm
I find it pretty interesting and encouraging that Heritage prices for prototypes are more or less eBay prices
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encouraging in that preserving the data is always a pain because of collector monetary fears, and I'm glad it isn't being exacerbated
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Have there been interesting prototypes found on ebay? I've heard the same story over and over of "bought proto on ebay, checksum matches retail"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/8/2023 6:48 pm
the cryptic answer is yes
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Lainer
Have there been interesting prototypes found on ebay? I've heard the same story over and over of "bought proto on ebay, checksum matches retail"
Dylan Mansfield 28/8/2023 6:53 pm
Interesting stuff comes up occasionally but it goes for high prices and/or really fast
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Those two unreleased NES games from a couple months ago were a good example
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 8:30 pm
It's usually obvious in the listing if it's interesting, I can't think of many surprise prototypes
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Is Famicom Disk System preservation at a similar level to NES? Like no new surprises to be found?
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Considering how Nintendo's internal dumps leaked in 2020
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which does easily help confirmation in some way...
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I didn’t know Nintendo’s own dumps were part of that leak, how many systems are covered?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/8/2023 10:00 pm
Not many in terms of actual roms
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Just game boy and fds if I remember
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Ah okay, I was mostly curious about fds and 64DD since I was trying to understand how writable media would affect things
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:15 pm
that said we have official checksums for stuff like NES and Famicom, which were compared to internet dumps to validate the set
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there's still some MIA revisions that were possibly never manufactured, and some that iirc came out on virtual console but were never seen on cart
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Is there a master database of revisions and checksums anywhere?
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:21 pm
@LuigiBlood if you have clean copies I don't mind them being shared here, I messed with mine so much doing unreleased game research that I don't trust it anymore
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sure
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I have also the spreadsheet with CRCs for FDS (edited)
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that said it's only the final versions
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I have kept the archive files as is
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so you can be sure it's clean
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Is there anything that makes this legally challenging to put on a website?
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:26 pm
the fact that it was likely stolen data seems pretty legally challenging
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I guess there’s that lol
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I don’t really know what kinds of things are actionable. Like if a fan site published the checksums for some revisions of the game, but not these spreadsheets themselves, that’s still an issue?
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The problem is how the checksums are for a different file format lol
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you also have a converter included
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between .qd and \.fds formats
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and it's made by that one person
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Tomohiro Kawase is a guy who shows up a lot on archiving stuff and emulation at Nintendo
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Ah okay
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Frank Cifaldi
the fact that it was likely stolen data seems pretty legally challenging
Least Weasel 28/8/2023 10:36 pm
I love how beautifully blunt this is bubsy
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lol
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I think the funniest part is how close I was to the circle of people who knew what was going on about the hack (edited)
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including the person in question responsible for it (edited)
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and somehow didn't know anything
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/8/2023 10:46 pm
If only they knew to make deja vu 2 a priority
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The hacker did get in touch with me 2 years ago, way after the gigaleak happened
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and after he got arrested and everything by that point
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he did a talk about Microsoft boot security last year
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so like, he's still doing stuff but he's not going to hack into servers anymore
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he made that clear to me
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
If only they knew to make deja vu 2 a priority
Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:48 pm
I'm guessing the unreleased ROMs were scrubbed out of that directory by Nintendo at some point and weren't intentionally excluded
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What he told me is that he didn't find Satellaview ROMs
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and was intentionally looking for them
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while telling me he did find SNES, N64, GBA and GC masters
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and not taking them
pacwut 1
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which is a way to make me go like "man what a waste"
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Frank Cifaldi
I'm guessing the unreleased ROMs were scrubbed out of that directory by Nintendo at some point and weren't intentionally excluded
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/8/2023 10:50 pm
I realize that this logically correct but nevertheless
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I did ask him about 64DD before he mentioned N64
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and unfortunately he definitely missed stuff that was under his nose
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because he hacked into iQue (that's pretty much known info a little bit)
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and I know with evidence that iQue does have 64DD masters at the very least through Wii U VC lol (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:51 pm
The whole leak is confirmed to be from iQue?
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yeah
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:51 pm
That tracks
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maybe he accessed Nintendo through them, but iQue was also responsible for emulators
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the 3DS Virtual Console source code did also leak after all
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and that was them
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Frank Cifaldi 28/8/2023 10:52 pm
And it makes sense of how the source repos have files unrelated to content excluded
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yeah
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there were tons of other various things though
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I didn't even notice it
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but Nintendo had developed a GB emulator for Wii themselves
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there's the full source of it
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with Super Game Boy support
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iQue's 3DS GB emulator was also an unlikely source for a GB mapper that was very much unknown (edited)
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MBC4
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turns out it was the mapper that represented the GB carts that were N64 compatible
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and could be plugged to the controller port
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for some reason iQue fully emulated it
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so they had quite the nice documentation lying around
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no wonder MBC4 was never seen
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it was so specific lol
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Least Weasel
I love how beautifully blunt this is bubsy
Well, sorry for the rookie questions I guess
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the N64 source repos were more of a result of how Nintendo was very very strict about sharing EAD source
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and some people were also looking
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and found out that even within NCL
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they were strict
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parts of Nintendo also didn't have access to EAD sources
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Even the IRD team didn't
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i'm still a bit pissed that we missed out on SNES and N64 master ROMs lol (edited)
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because I know what to expect
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Nintendo may have at least 2 unreleased completed 64DD titles
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and I know of 3 N64 first party ROMs that are unreleased but completed
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/8/2023 11:00 pm
I can’t imagine those files would have been particularly chunky, such a waste
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iQue did attempt to emulate the 64DD at one point
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on Wii U
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but it was not enough to boot a game
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this code was kept as is on Switch
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until I noticed something that made them remove it when I mentioned it on Twitter
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there was one change
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and it is highly specific and cannot be mistaken
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it seems iQue devs wanted to test 64DD titles anyway but without emulating the 64DD itself
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so they added code to recognize fanmade 64DD cartridge ports.
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I doubt it would have been used in public of course, but still
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they removed this after I talked about it on Twitter. (edited)
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all the 64DD related code was removed
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it's probably still in the source code, just with a if define to not compile it (edited)
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so that was kind of funny
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Well, sorry for the rookie questions I guess
Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:04 pm
No reason to be sorry, friend!
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(impressive knowledge here)
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I actually RE every version of the NSO emulators lol
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just in case I see something cool that could happen
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SNES NSO emulator has SNES Mouse support for example (edited)
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and Multi tap
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N64 emu does support the Controller Pak and the Animal Forest real time clock
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down to features that are actually useless but accurate
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:07 pm
You are awesome!
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though that doesn't change the fact that the N64 emu is not that great
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and still needs controller remap on it
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:08 pm
That system has always been a monster to emulate tho?
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yeah but... not a reason to have worse input lag than the Wii
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and especially not a reason to outright ruin graphics emulation at launch
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:09 pm
Fair
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it was worse than Wii U
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and Wii U didn't have it right either
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and was having insane input lag
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it's a slight bit better on Switch but still not to the level of the Wii
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:10 pm
So how did Wii get it so right?
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Different developer
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was very familiar with N64 development
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which probably very much helped
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While iQue was not the most familiar as they initially relied on an outside developer (BroadOn) to manage the iQue Player (edited)
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the chinese N64
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but when they took over development of N64 emulation on Wii U
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it's just awful
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worse than Wii in every way
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:16 pm
So ... wait, you developed for the iQue?
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no
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I have no real industry connections lol
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Actually I say that but I learn random facts about the industry in private these days
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so I guess I kind of do now
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but however I never was part of it
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and during the iQue Player days anyway
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I would be too young lol
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I did actually apply for a job at Nintendo last year (edited)
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in the end it didn't work out
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and then I thought it would be bad idea if I abandon my work on Satellaview and 64DD
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in a place where I'm not really sure I would make use of that knowledge
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As most of my motivation is just making more retro games available worldwide lol
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especially Nintendo lol
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Least Weasel 28/8/2023 11:52 pm
Then keep up the good fight so weirdos like me can keep playing them on laptops at work :3
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Apparently War Gods on PS1 might not work on systems that shipped with Dual Shock controllers, Sony updated something
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:30 pm
Sakurai's channel is such a thing of wonder
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The video wehre he admits unintended bugs that got out into production games -- all three examples he talks about processor power differences between the dev version and production resulting in harder games because the hardware was better and the code was programmed based around clock speed
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Up to and including Smash Ultimate
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Jason Scott 29/8/2023 4:32 pm
Processors in the 90s were a hell scape
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:32 pm
Meteos, the tamagachi bug game that never left japan, and Smash Ultimate. Two of those things are modern-ish.
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As a person with no knowledge of code or programming, it seems like that kind of a thing ought to be known to happen? Technology gets better over time so why base the game's performance so closely to a specific kind of hardware, especially if you don't know if production and dev are going to be identical?
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Jason Scott 29/8/2023 4:36 pm
Ha ha well
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Are you asking why it was like that in the 1990s
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:36 pm
I get why it was like that in the 90s -- why is it still like that today?
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That was an issue we had with the Vita.
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:37 pm
Like, writing something for Game Boy -- I get that.
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Jason Scott 29/8/2023 4:37 pm
Two main reasons
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  • every part, almost everywhere, is potentially subject to hiring multiple vendors to fulfill orders, and they have inconsistencies
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  • in software, there is a constant danger of doing what "works" and especially fast, and yet the item isn't 100% on board
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Least Weasel
As a person with no knowledge of code or programming, it seems like that kind of a thing ought to be known to happen? Technology gets better over time so why base the game's performance so closely to a specific kind of hardware, especially if you don't know if production and dev are going to be identical?
The very short answer is making video games is very hard and it is a miracle they come out at all.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 4:40 pm
developing software for pre-production devkits inherently means you may face the final hardware changing and not be able to do too much about it
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Jason Scott 29/8/2023 4:41 pm
Part of android's dominance is taking (most) of the "will it work" headache out
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But even with android, you see notes on an app going "oh, the camera doesn't work on flibby model 400 phones"
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Psygnosis Microcosm crashed on certain pentiums
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 4:42 pm
not so much for Sakurai and Nintendo but my understanding is that devs ultimately have to benchmark something for development and, particularly if it's going to be showing up on pc, have to check to make sure it runs reasonably well on other specs. And sometimes stuff is just gonna slip by you because of how many builds exist
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Jason Scott 29/8/2023 4:43 pm
Corporate refused to hire someone to fix it, we would offer a refund or a game replacement
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My favorite example of this, which unfortunately I can't find anything about maybe it got swallowed in the twitter hole, but the basics as I recall it was when Super Meat Boy came out someone with a real cheap crappy PC was having lots of troubles even though the specs should have technically been enough to run it. After several debug dumps/updates the dev just went to walmart and bought the exact model for like $200 and debugged directly on the machine.
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In my memory it was a happy ending and they solved it, but I can't actually recall that was eons ago.
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:50 pm
Tommy Refenes?
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In my memory it is a picture of edmund walking out with the computer tucked under arm, but probably makes a lot more sense that it was Tommy.
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 4:52 pm
I just love the blurb he told about how he literally had to dial in the physics, tweaking gravity and hang time and meat boy's mass by the invidual values in the code until it "felt right"
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If you like that sort of dev/design talk, particularly specific to platformers, there is a series of the Eggplant Show dedicated to Super Mario World where they brought on devs from games like Spelunky, N++, and Celeste and discuss tweaking and tuning and how it relates back to SMW in a not super technical and accessible way. Was a good run. (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 5:02 pm
oh yeah, I think Maddie Thorson comes from the SMW hacking scene
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Yes, she does incredible work. The N++ episode in particular is fantastic. Talking about how they reverse engineered mario physics and applied it to confirm if their design was crap or not. Incredible episode (edited)
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Trying to find if there is an easy way to link to the whole run but podcast archives being what they are.
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Candid conversations with game creators that dive deep into the art, craft, and process of making games.
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Scroll all the way down. Starts with 'Into the Depths: Super Mario World - Part 1'
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Least Weasel 29/8/2023 5:17 pm
O_O
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I love this discord
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Eggplant is super good. (i don't listen to podcasts but if I did i would listen to it!) (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 6:22 pm
Really wish that I could pick it up now. Do wholly agree with Frank on this https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/1696578824983679067
The Making of Karateka is out today, and it's important to me that it gets noticed. This isn't a game, it's a coffee table video game history book that you interact with using a controller. There are games to play, yes, but they're not the main attraction. https://t.co/LOpai1PSsH
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 6:39 pm
I'll get it when I get paid later this week, I'm looking forward to it
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Oh shoot it's out today? :-
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:-0
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I guess it is the 29th isn't it.........
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God help me.
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Bought. I know there are a few folks close to DE in here so not looking for any inside baseball or anything, but has there been any indication how this style of package is fairing? Good, bad, or otherwise? I guess with Atari 50 being the biggest example.
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you can see CCU on Steam on SteamDB if you want to: https://steamdb.info/app/1163060/
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atari 50 maxed out at 76 CCU on Steam. for games like this CCU (concurrent players) isn't a true indication of popularity cos you may check them out briefly but it gets you a general idea.
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i'm really pulling for them to do well long-term!
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The Interactive Coffee Table Video Game History Book is something that's been in my head since messing around with Sonic Jam. Even the Namco Museum collections on PSX felt close to that.
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The only things that have felt as substantial since those have been Digital Eclipse releases like the Lion King X Aladdin collection. I've been on a tight budget but was really excited for Atari 50.
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Sonic Origins disappointed me with its museum.
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You can't have Jam and then go to that. I appreciated all the animatics for the cutscenes made specifically for that release, at least.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/8/2023 7:23 pm
I don't mind sharing that we (VGHF) were communicating with them about handling the museum and long story short, Japan Happened
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I think I remember you mentioning that a while back, and it just frustrated me more when I poked around its museum.
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At least I can now listen to other music while looking in it. I'm largely disappointed in the video content, of which is mostly just all the cutscenes, animatics for those, and the Sonic CD Op/Ed. Understandable now that commercials and animated works in Jam are now under complicated "Who has what" rights, but man, it was such a bummer.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:26 pm
I do wish Namco would get back to the ps1 Museum approach to their old game reissues
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maybe not wandering around a virtual museum but the sheer amount of extra material
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Let me see Robot Band Pic Pac in high definition
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Frank Cifaldi 29/8/2023 7:27 pm
never got too serious with it but I was trying to butter them up on letting us do namco museum as a light rpg inside of a giant arcade museum
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make it more game center cx/nes remix where you just play pieces of games and have your hand held
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this would be the only way I'd care about namco games tbh
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 7:28 pm
For shame.
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Leaning hard into that early namco design sense. All their promotional illustrations and logos were so good.
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I really enjoyed Game Center CX's cute book shelf and stuff you could browse through for manuals and tips and tricks on the DS.
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And the little commentary, which wasn't much outside of "Whoa, look at that!" but still cute.
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A lot of Namco's early design works with Dig Dug, Mappy and stuff felt like Cyber Sanrio in a way.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/8/2023 7:31 pm
now I'm daydreaming about it again dangit
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:32 pm
Namco games are very important and foundational and all that, but also why would I play like, Pac-Man when Ms. Pac-Man exists. Or Dig Dug in a world with Mr. Do
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Cutie Q and its predecessors are cool though
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and Sky Kid is a sleeper, that game is so good
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Loads of people have played Galaga but few have played Gaplus and that is lame.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:34 pm
or Galaga 90
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I also love how weird Wonder Momo is
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like you're playing a tokusatsu stage show
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I still have my Nvidia Shield Portable with WayForward's Wonder Momo game on it.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:36 pm
always wanted to play that
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When I met with James Montagna at GDC way back, I was using the Portable to show off a build of our game around the convention. When I mentioned I was maybe one of like 10 people maybe that actually bought and played it, and then showed him the game it blew his mind.
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He imagined no one ever got it.
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Since I think it was specifically limited to just that model shield iirc?
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Only issue with that portable is that it needs its screen repaired.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:41 pm
I think it eventually may have found its way to Android in general? The spk is online anyway
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not too sure about it
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That was an amazing portable emulation device. Easily played Goemon 64 and Bomberman 64.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:41 pm
the game looked really cool though!
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It was
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fine.
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But I enjoyed its existence, and I think it did what it could with the limits and speed bumps it hit during its development.
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The one drawback for me was that it leaned too hard into being close to the exact same gameplay as the original arcade game, which always felt weird and clunky. (edited)
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It didn't to much to maybe improve or evolve it in a way that felt more modern and intuitive. So it turned out like the original Wonder Momo, an idea I liked in theory that's fun to think about, but hard to really enjoy fully in play.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:45 pm
seems like a fair assessment
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the original is indeed a very weird brawler
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:52 pm
oh right and the Xevious stuff is cool. I got to try Galloping Ghost's Solvalou cabinet before it broke down and that game is really neat
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 7:53 pm
Xevious haunts my nightmares.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 7:54 pm
I think it's a game you gotta have grown up on, I played the 7800 port a lot
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The main reason to play xevious is to confirm the rotating panel is still impresive for like 4 frames of animation or whatever it is
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/8/2023 7:57 pm
Would love to actually play Solvalou sometime, MAME still crashes on it after a while though 😐
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 8:00 pm
I did grow up on it. Hearing the two second music loop play constantly whenever I entered the downstairs arcade at our summer getaway spot. That's why I went upstairs instead.
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There it is (8 frames) (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/8/2023 8:03 pm
y'know, many many years ago, somebody was trying to tell me that the Invincible Flying Panel was the first example of ray-traced graphics in a video game
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It was computer generated if memory holds
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/8/2023 8:03 pm
it is very impressive, for what it is
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i just remember them telling me about it and young me was like "...what doomguythinking "
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 8:04 pm
So from what I understand, they did create the reference from a higher fidelity simulation of an image, similar to the DKC approach. I don't think it was the first example of the technique though.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
I remember coming across this too and wondering about it. This talk by Masanobu Endo makes it explicit though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD90KqI6Ng0
ah still chatting about early namco after all these years
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
So from what I understand, they did create the reference from a higher fidelity simulation of an image, similar to the DKC approach. I don't think it was the first example of the technique though.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 8:07 pm
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168 views and that video goes into some of the most in depth early high technique in video game history.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 8:08 pm
Welcome to our hills to climb 😔
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I think I'm going to go ahead and just download it because * motions to the temporalness of the internet *
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Odd. The Making of Karateka shows up when I search for it on the eshop for Switch, but when I click on it, it's like "Nope."
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I can add it to my wishlist
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/8/2023 10:22 pm
I think it’s out tomorrow on switch?
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Oh it’s out Friday
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Chris Kohler 29/8/2023 11:03 pm
It's out today but there's some glitch happening that Nintendo is working on.
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Has anyone looked at the cake_hoarder's unreleased Gamecube game? https://www.tiktok.com/@cake_hoarder/video/7272543905801981227
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The guy says that he is waiting for someone to dump the rom.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 29/8/2023 11:05 pm
It's in the Litterboxc
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Ah my bad.
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just went through the steam version, and completed the remaster
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yet another excellent interactive documentary
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that damn gate
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my first encounter with Karateka was actually on a 4-in-1 gameboy cart that I got with my GB when I bought it on a vacation in spain (edited)
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my most played game alongside pipe dream which was also on that cart
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they changed the music entirely, so playing the originals through this was definitely a new experience (edited)
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Least Weasel 30/8/2023 11:17 am
Has anyone reached out to Adam Conover? He just did a podcast with the guy who does Defunctland and he started it out saying if he were doing this kind of documentary work he'd do it about video games
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And here I am listening to it thinking HEY didn't Phil just publish a big thing that went on NPR?
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So, famous nerd with a little reach and his own podcast. Worth talking to, I would think.
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Jason Scott 30/8/2023 4:14 pm
Adam and I are pals, would you like me to make that connection? He has already interviewed Christine love and has interviewed a number of other people that are in the video game Circle
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Least Weasel 30/8/2023 4:16 pm
I mean, I'm just a discord goblin, but yes that is exactly the kind of content I would love to see. Podcast Crossover!!!
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Mostly because of the study coming out and that being a fantastic way to start such a show
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/8/2023 4:17 pm
today I learned there was an american version of crystal maze where he was the host
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Least Weasel 30/8/2023 4:17 pm
What
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Wow
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Jason Scott
Adam and I are pals, would you like me to make that connection? He has already interviewed Christine love and has interviewed a number of other people that are in the video game Circle
Least Weasel 30/8/2023 4:19 pm
It always blows my mind when I realize I get to talk with people who have Wikipedia pages. Thank you for putting cool things into the world
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Thank all of you
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/8/2023 5:38 pm
Apropos the discussions of 50s and 60s video games, looking to see if anybody here would be interested in helping with this project. https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1696939850883063963
Would people out there be interested in helping to compile info and make wiki pages for pre-Pong video games? We've come to realize there is no comprehensive list, though we have several disorganized ones. Anybody out there interested in conglomerating this?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/8/2023 5:41 pm
I'll give you a retweet as I don't have the bandwidth to do anything of the sort myself
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/8/2023 5:42 pm
Same reason I'm not doing it myself 😛 I can set things up, but we need people to do some transfer work and I can't take the time for that.
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I got Karateka on my Switch. :V Can't wait to dig into it this evening.
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No idea why the website isn't working for it, but it shows up just fine on the eshop.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Same reason I'm not doing it myself 😛 I can set things up, but we need people to do some transfer work and I can't take the time for that.
Least Weasel 30/8/2023 7:30 pm
Time is always the problem. Can you describe what state things are at with a little more granularity? Is the data available and we just need to put it in the pages correctly or are we data hunting?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/8/2023 7:34 pm
The set-up for this will largely just be transferring data. We have several lists of games that we just need basic pages for, then we will see about delving into deeper for a "Stage 2". There's at least a few hundred games that we can start with just getting name, date, author, platform stuff going.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/8/2023 1:18 am
Remembered that Jenn Frank recorded footage of Game Center CX’s western debut at the 2008 Asian film festival in New York, when Fuji was still shopping it to distributors https://vimeo.com/1244534
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Also I guess her and Chris person appear in the tv segment about said showing, not sure what ep that is
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Phil Salvador 31/8/2023 3:24 am
Oh man I was reminded that the 15th anniversary of Spore is coming up
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/8/2023 3:34 am
Were you hurt?
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Phil Salvador 31/8/2023 4:31 am
I never really had strong feelings about it!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/8/2023 4:34 am
I remember being at pax when he did his big demo of the game
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It looked aggressively fine
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And that was the showcase for how cool it was, so
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I have spore installed right now
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amazed it still works reasonably well on modern systems
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/8/2023 4:45 am
I played up to the galactic stage three times. I put my time in.
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I've played it a fair bit
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apparently the steam version of spore got hit with some of EA's dumber decisions, and a lot of users no longer get a CD-Key in order to register an account for the online sharing portion of the game (edited)
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so basically, if anyone wants to play spore in TYOOL 2023 with access to the sporepedia, get it through EA or GOG (where it's actually on sale for 75% off at the moment) (edited)
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the base game is available through EA Play as well, I believe
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
It looked aggressively fine
Ha, "aggressively fine" would also be my assessment of it. Its like five pretty good games in one!
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The TTP in that was certainly above average
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I had to look up what that meant, and I was not disappointed. https://www.engadget.com/2009-03-24-overheard-gdc09-ttp-time-to-penis.html
During the "Spore's Wake: What Seriously Happened?" panel at GDC, we learned a fantastic new meme that we have to share with you.
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Also, one of my ex-girlfriends' family members had met their spouse IRL via communicating in the Spore creator forums, which was absolutely wild to me to hear. I hope they're still together, creating more weirdo bloby things that take over the universe.
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I actually played a bit of spore just now (like 4 hours) and uh
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yeah
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I saw 1 "Tall Sonic" 1 "Buff Tails" and "human"
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"human" had a little bit extra
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 4:59 pm
I am very much enjoying this ebay account that has weird old foreign video game promo items
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Follow video_gamers on eBay. Buying, Selling, Collecting on eBay has never been more exciting!
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oh man
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this is my next tattoo
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also awesome it's just 'like'
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not 'love'
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 5:09 pm
bees don't know how to love, not really
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Phil Salvador 31/8/2023 5:25 pm
Volition, developer of the Saints Row and Red Faction franchises, is no more after its parent company Embracer chose to close the studio.
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We know anyone out there?
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 5:29 pm
oh wow
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/8/2023 5:30 pm
I think chip cheezum worked there
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Time to archive their twitch streams, I guess
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They had a lot of candid details about the development of red faction and sants row games on there
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Well I wasn't in a hurry to pick up the 360 saints row stuff but I guess better get on it sooner than later
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 6:40 pm
I knew it, avatars are glitches in the system
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wha-bam
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Dylan Mansfield 31/8/2023 6:59 pm
A new Rugrats game has been announced... What year is this!?!?! You can switch between NES style visuals or something more modern.
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yeah i just saw this, is it NES NES, or NES-style?
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 7:12 pm
both
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true NES under the hood but you can do an HD overlay
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I love that it's just unapologetically Bonk
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that's incredible
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Frank Cifaldi
I love that it's just unapologetically Bonk
Right down to Tommy bouncing off that flower thing in the HD footage godman
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Is this the video game take on reunion specials? (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 31/8/2023 9:09 pm
no that's ducktales remastered
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Kate Willært 31/8/2023 9:47 pm
You could Double Dragon 4 was that in a very literal sense (trying to reassemble as much of the original NES dev team as possible to do an NES style sequel)
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I suppose with AI-generated actors we'll eventually get Home Improvement Remastered and the like Never mind, mixing too many metaphors and media (edited)
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In any case, I'm excited for it for my usual licensed game sicko reasons
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Jurassic Park Classic Games Collection will come with the following fan-favorite titles, originally released across NES, Game Boy, and SNES Only Available Until October 15, 2023
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Least Weasel 31/8/2023 11:12 pm
Yeah ... that's tempting to get physical
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/8/2023 11:14 pm
Snes Jurassic park is so good
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Least Weasel 31/8/2023 11:16 pm
That was the first thing I side loaded onto my snes classic
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Least Weasel 1/9/2023 2:09 pm
Ah, thank goodness they're releasing it through Steam later
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/9/2023 3:09 pm
and neither of the Genesis ones, huh
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Frank Cifaldi 1/9/2023 4:27 pm
Different rightsholders, Sega vs Ocean
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 1/9/2023 4:40 pm
it might be best if people don't revisit the genesis games and realize they're kinda not good
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SGreenwell 1/9/2023 4:50 pm
I didn't realize people liked the snes ones. We played em all for a pod, and while they weren't like Home Improvement bad, I barely remember them.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 1/9/2023 4:55 pm
the biggest failing of the first snes one is that there's no save/password feature and the game just kind of ends when you finish it. The actual exploration is cool, and having first person sequences on the snes that work reasonably well is impressive
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I think I only played the NES game. It was one of those late era NES purchases simply because I was shocked to see it exists
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Whereas I played the heck out of the Sega games... just never finished a one
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Least Weasel 1/9/2023 6:48 pm
The SNES version was a defining title of my wife's childhood
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 1/9/2023 7:00 pm
i can't remember which of the two genesis ones i played at PRGE last year, but it seemed alright
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i think i wouldn't have minded having it as a young'n
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beyond that, the only JP game i've ever played was Trespasser, and while that one's definitely not Great, it is at least extremely fascinating
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and I think if the source code to that game still exists somewhere, somebody should make a version of it that supports motion controls, because that would really realize its potential
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Wietse van Bruggen 1/9/2023 9:12 pm
SNES JP has awesome music but the game was really let down because of no option to save at all yeah. (edited)
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The first person parts get a little repetitive, but they are very playable.
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Ryan Lucas 2/9/2023 2:49 am
With one strike already underway, SAG-AFTRA announced Friday that it will seek authorization for a second strike against the major video game companies. The union said that talks on a new video gam…
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I love me some Nanny out there fighting the good fight.
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Kate Willært 2/9/2023 5:50 pm
【アメリカ視察:四日目】 いよいよ前半の山場、「ストロング遊戯博物館」の視察です! 視察の目的は、 (1)「過去ゲームのプレイアブル保存」を日本でも進めるため、各国の保存施設を視察してその哲学やコツを学び、日本の施設(やはり国立国会図書館だと思われる)でそれをうまく実現する。…
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It arrived!
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Shoulda used my Sega cup for coffee today
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Frank Cifaldi 2/9/2023 6:12 pm
I now know about three of your mugs
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Mac Tonight, a Songbird Design X King of Games Famicom pulse, and Sega.
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I still need to get a Game History one
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JJSignal
Mac Tonight, a Songbird Design X King of Games Famicom pulse, and Sega.
DarkSol 2/9/2023 8:43 pm
sigh Mac Tonight...
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JJSignal
Shoulda used my Sega cup for coffee today
Matt Clawson 3/9/2023 12:06 am
Just got mine today
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He was great to meet, could tell how much he enjoyed seeing what we are doing
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Anyone familiar with “DREAMM?” Just learned about it through some Twitter post, seems redundant with the existence of scummvm and dosbox, but their FAQ claims improved fidelity to the original games https://aarongiles.com/dreamm/
DREAMM is a DOS Retro-Emulation Arena for Maniac Mansion and other LucasArts games.
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That looks interesting.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 4/9/2023 12:22 am
two things notable about this project:
  • it supports more than the adventure games, it'll run the flight sims, it'll run the FPSes, it'll run Afterlife, it'll run Yoda Stories
  • Aaron Giles used to work for LucasArts roughly when these games were coming out (since he helped get them ported to Mac) so he has some degree of inside knowledge
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it's a neat project, already bearing fruit for the fact that it runs Outlaws in a way that doesn't require a Glide wrapper or force exclusive full screen mode
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Frank Cifaldi 4/9/2023 1:37 am
Hyper focused emulators for complicated hardware are always gonna strive for game accuracy and that's what this does
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It's "what if DOSBox only had to fix bugs and optimize for these specific games?"
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Jason Scott 4/9/2023 1:39 am
godman 5
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how dare you. now put the opposites on each side of the same shirt for max chaos.
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Ethan Whitted 4/9/2023 1:54 am
Riots ensue.
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Mike Bentley 4/9/2023 2:45 am
strongly in the brown camp myself
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 4/9/2023 2:21 pm
It's not the VHF, checkmate.
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Kate Willært 4/9/2023 11:07 pm
But if it was, we could do fun UHF themed parody posters
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Chris Kohler keeps teasing what the next The Making Of game is going to be, and man I really hope it's Wizardry
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 12:31 am
I’m ride or die on Gold Master, i’ll be there for anything they do haha
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Can’t wait to see what it is
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Chris Kohler keeps teasing what the next The Making Of game is going to be, and man I really hope it's Wizardry
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/9/2023 12:35 am
That would be neat as hell.
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:37 am
I guess I assumed it’d be Prince Of Persia as the logical 1-2 punch
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I feel like Wizardry or Ultima IV are high on the list for being 1) historically vital, and 2) impenetrable to play from a modern perspective. (edited)
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also their creators are still alive, have good archives, and like to talk about their work
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 12:39 am
My personal dream is we get superman 64, I really want to learn about the circumstances around games that got a poor reception
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:39 am
I have no idea what they have planned, but if I were making a roadmap, I’d probably be rotating releases between well known franchises and obscure but important
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By obscure I mean ones that have been largely forgotten by modern gamers
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Nic McConnell
My personal dream is we get superman 64, I really want to learn about the circumstances around games that got a poor reception
Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 12:41 am
I think DE could do a wonderful job telling those stories and highlighting the better parts of those games (and the hard work that went into them)
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My other Gold Master dream is Street Fighter the Movie the Game (which i believe firmly is a pretty cool game)
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:44 am
I get the feeling another consideration might be doing creator-owned games where the rights are uncomplicated, before building up enough clout where larger publishers would be more willing to make a deal, because eventually who wouldn’t want their game to be in the “criterion collection” of games
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(For the record, I’m in agreement that I think your picks would be really interesting)
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 12:48 am
Oh totally, i think all the things you’re pointing out make tons of sense
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Karateka is such a brilliant first release
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For all those reasons
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:49 am
My unlikely dream ones would be Goldeneye and the Konami cartoon beat em ups
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oh yeah Goldeneye would be amazing
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dig up and make playable the lightgun version of the game
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:51 am
But if I were speculating what might be coming up based on games I think would be obvious, Another World is definitely on the list (the big cat in Karateka reminded me a bit of the cat in that one)
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My unlikely dream ones would be Goldeneye and the Konami cartoon beat em ups
Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 12:52 am
Yes please to both of these. I’d also love a deep dive into Conker’s Bad Fur Day, i want to learn all about that rebooted development
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I also had a (very unlikely) wish which, while we’re dreaming, was to have one release that’s anchored by River City Ransom but focuses on western localization during that era
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:55 am
Spelunker would be interesting, might bring in the Speunky crowd
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That reminds me I need to write up what I’ve learned about RCR at some point…I interviewed a bunch of people involved, including the localizer
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/9/2023 12:56 am
it's time for the Making of Dogpatch
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12:56 am
I'm confident they'd sell three copies
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Kate Willært 5/9/2023 12:58 am
What’s fun about Another World in particular is if there was a way to easily compare the different versions, like if you could switch back and forth between them, because some went really wild with it…or maybe it was just one in particular, that recolored things to look fancier and did a completely different soundtrack that was a little too dramatic
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Or how one level wasn’t created until after the original Amiga version, so if you play that version there’s a completely different bridging sequence connecting these two sections
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 1:00 am
I think you’ve sold me on Another World
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That’s why this Gold Master Series thing is so endlessly exciting to me - there are so many stories to tell
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/9/2023 1:03 am
Another World would be absolutely fascinating to break down like this
1:04 am
i h ave no idea if they would be able to get Interplay to play ball on it though, and you'd have to have their side of things if you wanted to include, say, the Sega CD game
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 1:09 am
Hear me out - after they have a bunch of these under their belt, we get The Digital Eclipse Story that does a deep dive into how they put these things together
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Jason Scott 5/9/2023 1:09 am
Preppie!
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Lainer
I feel like Wizardry or Ultima IV are high on the list for being 1) historically vital, and 2) impenetrable to play from a modern perspective. (edited)
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/9/2023 4:48 am
Ultima IV isn't that bad in comparison to... The other Ultima games. It's just a game that's hard to complete.
4:49 am
I'm vying for a Spacewar docugame 😉
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Jason Scott 5/9/2023 4:51 am
Magic Pockets
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 5:24 am
Another World also had censorship on consoles so it could be funny to swap between the two
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/9/2023 5:25 am
ah yes. the alien bath butt
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 5:25 am
that's one thing
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also blood vs bloodless
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and the slobber of some creatures being green instead of red
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And yet it was fine just doing these changes despite the fact that I think Another World can show particularly gruesome things at times
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by no means it is gore but it could have gotten close at the violence of it
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but that's child me who got particularly impressed at the time
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
i h ave no idea if they would be able to get Interplay to play ball on it though, and you'd have to have their side of things if you wanted to include, say, the Sega CD game
LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 5:27 am
The rights of the Sega CD music is not an issue at least
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it's included in the 20th Anniversary Edition
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because it's made by the original composer of the game
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the problem would be more about the SNES, Genesis and 3DO versions
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the creator isn't really a fan of the 3DO version
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especially for actually not keeping the intro music that he had desperately harassed Interplay for
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but he was too busy developing Heart of Darkness at the time
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which is a way better Another World successor
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and that game did not receive a rerelease, even
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that said he always kind of stayed humble about it
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but there was one case where he really said something and putting the words
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He really hates the SNES box art
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I think he said something like "it's grotesque" or something
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but yeah Another World for the Gold Master Series could be very interesting (edited)
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honestly I regret selling my SNES PAL CIB copy of the game lol (edited)
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 5/9/2023 6:25 am
I would love to see the Gold Master Series on Japanese games, but that just seems so unlikely. At least, not for the foreseeable future. I am loving all of the ideas being thrown out there above though, especially the Konami cartoon brawlers and River City Ransom.
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Phil Salvador 5/9/2023 6:35 am
Not just because I could probably be a talking head, but I would LOVE to see SimCity get the treatment. Specifically since the source code is out, it would be incredible to play a version where you can tweak the variables of the sim in real-time to see how it plays
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 2:34 pm
Flashback in Gold Master Series could also be cool to some extent... just to improve the game beyond the ports (based on the open source rewrite) that are not necessarily perfect
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and possibly get the proper rights to like
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every single music variant (edited)
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and it's also one of those games with like, ports on so many systems
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including freaking CD-i, 3DO, Jaguar (edited)
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And then it also had a version with 3D FMV cutscenes
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(the Sega CD version being the best one in that regard)
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but then you could improve upon it by giving the FMVs some actual subtitles in multiple languages lol
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Some of the FMVs even include some of the unused dialogue that the original version had and it's all localized and unused too
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it could also be cool to include assets from the original Flashback 2 attempt on Genesis/Sega CD and maybe even more (edited)
2:38 pm
I would even wonder if the devs kept anything from the original plan of being an adaptation in the future of The Godfather as it was originally (still insane that it went like that originally) (edited)
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Arcade1Up - ATARI 50TH Anniversary 17" Deluxe Arcade up for preorder at Best Buy ($499.99) https://t.co/GHNotu5hjN #ad
2:56 pm
this is new, rite?
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 3:16 pm
I think so
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it could also be cool to include assets from the original Flashback 2 attempt on Genesis/Sega CD and maybe even more (edited)
I'd love a legacy section that goes as far ahead as Heart of Darkness
3:21 pm
That game was so gruesome for a game starring a child character
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 3:21 pm
I played that Saturn demo of Heart of Darkness that was dumped too
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the game plays so differently from the final version
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it's still the same thing but the controls and overall feel is completely different
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sure it's a game that took 6 years to develop
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but the result is still a game that took its time and is polished as heck
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like I think people should look at the 2D animations and how the game is not afraid to have lots of transitions for animations for literally every frame
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It's not a game that puts animation as its first priority like Flashback
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it's a game that tries to put both gameplay and animation and have it look and feel good at every single frame
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it still has a bit of weight because cinematic platformers always do
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but it's not as dated as Flashback did
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apparently the reason why the game took so long to make is the programming that took a long time
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Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 3:26 pm
Presumably this would be impossible from a licensing standpoint but i would love a release that focuses on the work of a single musician in games that tracks their career. The Tim Follin Collection, for example.
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 3:26 pm
but meanwhile the artists were just free to polish the heck of everything
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and that's why the game looks so good
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and that's why the game looks so good
Nic McConnell 5/9/2023 3:26 pm
I would love this
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 3:27 pm
also a version like this would finally include like
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every single voice acting and language
3:27 pm
The japanese version is not very known lol
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it's even pretty rare to find iirc (edited)
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If you do a physical release
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...if you care to do it
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include those red & blue 3D glasses.
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one of the cutscenes was rendered for this as a bonus
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and that's why they included those 3D glasses with the game
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and that's why they included those 3D glasses with the game
Wha what
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Heart of Darkness?
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LuigiBlood 5/9/2023 3:32 pm
yeah
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the original release certainly did
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iirc even when they released the game inside freaking cereals
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at least in France it was the case
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『ゲームセンターCX 有野の挑戦状 1+2 REPLAY』の公式サイトです。HDリマスター&新規要素を追加し、Nintendo Switch™に登場!「有野の挑戦状 1」と「有野の挑戦状2」の2本が1本で楽しめます!
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Ohhhhhh
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The rearranging of you and your friend from the bottom screen being the framing for the wider screen is cute.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/9/2023 7:33 pm
hoping for a localization of this pack, I feel like the first RCG was so late in the DS's lifespan yet also was slightly too early to really ride the wave of retro game revivals/homages in the west
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and 2 is just straight up one of the best games on the platform
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I have the patched version of 2 on my DS' flash cart but haven't started it yet.
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Hoping it gets an official localization. I loved the first one (and am just a GCCX fan in general).
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/9/2023 7:37 pm
the translation is literally why I bought an R4, it's excellent
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2 would be great now since we actually got Famicom Tante Club here finally, and also there's that new retro-style ADV game by the Hokkaido Murder Mystery people, or at least featuring the artist for it.
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DarkSol 5/9/2023 8:18 pm
does anyone have any experience buying music from LRG?
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If so... how is the quality of their releases compared to iam8bit?
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Least Weasel 5/9/2023 8:19 pm
I don't, but several people on this discord work for LRG...
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DarkSol 5/9/2023 8:20 pm
Ah.
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I guess I'm just wondering because I know the iam8bit TMNT IV release on LP ended up being less than desired by a lot of listeners. (edited)
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And I know I have some gripes with their Killer Instinct release on vinyl.
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Least Weasel 5/9/2023 8:23 pm
Ah, well ... as a philistine with a terrible sense of audio quality, I would say get something and see how it goes?
8:23 pm
You can always sell it back to them at the LRG store in North Carolina
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DarkSol 5/9/2023 8:55 pm
lol if only it were that easy... i live in Canada, so a quick jaunt to the Carolinas isn't easy 😛
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I bought it later on ebay, but LRG's Snatcher vinyl is great
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Chris Kohler keeps teasing what the next The Making Of game is going to be, and man I really hope it's Wizardry
Oh god I just noticed they're numbering these releases, with Karateka as #01
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A good numbered set is like catnip to me
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Mike Bentley 6/9/2023 12:36 pm
Retro Game Challenge (CX1) was one of my favorite DS games
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imported the second one which was also fun but the lack of translation for the mystery game made it less charming
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the first one somehow made like four very good "this could have maybe been an NES game" games
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 6/9/2023 3:39 pm
I imported the second one but yeah, didn't actually play it through until the translation came along
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I maintain game center cx is a great resource for game history and preservation, as particularly Arino's trips around to arcades, candy stores and other parts of the world provide a great snapshot in time of how and what people were playing, as are his visits to timed events (like Taito's space invaders anniversary celebrations in 2008, which my friend Brian and I used for our Space Invaders history panel last magfest). And the games kind of follow through on that by trying to imitate the experience of being a kid in 80s Japan who is really into video games
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 6/9/2023 3:55 pm
i liked how RGC localized the magazines by adjusting the writers names to sound like the names of people who wrote for EGM
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vaguely recall you frequently see entries written by "Milkman" at least
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Mike Bentley 6/9/2023 9:49 pm
yeah the whole atmosphere in the first game was great
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Takanobu Terada, director of almost every Super Robot Wars game, has been telling some amazing stories on twitter
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Terada has a very in-depth and frank retrospective on the rushed development of Super Robot Wars F and F Final here. Once again, translating it in a Pastebin. https://t.co/i4ylln0UUP
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Least Weasel 6/9/2023 10:52 pm
(I have always wanted them to somehow get Transformers so they can acknowledge that one Valkyrie...)
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DeppySlide 7/9/2023 1:56 pm
Atari today announced that it has agreed to acquire the Atari-focused community and news site AtariAge. The site will c…
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 1:59 pm
oh no
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Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 2:03 pm
I uh, don't like this
2:03 pm
Certainly explains the purging of certain homebrews from the AtariAge store
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 2:05 pm
100%
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I think it's a good time to have the internet archive trawl the forums, since I kinda suspect that'd be the first piece of the site to go
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Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 2:05 pm
Abso-fucking-lutely
2:06 pm
That forum is a treasure trove of info we can't afford to lose
2:09 pm
I would hope that Albert put in some provisions regarding the safety of the forums, perhaps making it independent of the site proper
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 2:10 pm
guess we'll see, I don't think Al has made any announcements on it himself
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Here it is, plus a link to a Q&A thread https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354609-atariage-atari/
Greetings! I have an important announcement to make to the AtariAge community, and I'll cut right to the chase: AtariAge has agreed to be acquired by Atari, and I have come on as a full-time employee at Atari. This won't be a surprise to some of you, given the speculation I've seen over the past ...
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 3:02 pm
The owner of E3, the video game industry's most important annual showcase, has confirmed it currently has no organiser …
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2024 was gonna be the... third attempted reboot? And now 2025 will be the fourth
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SGreenwell 7/9/2023 3:02 pm
Maybe they can do a joint fest with Fyre.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 3:04 pm
I mean E3's never been a disaster like that. It just has to be something different if they really want it to survive. The scale was too massive.
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With so many no/reduced e3s, I can’t see it being easy for publishers to justify the budgets that have been reallocated for years. It’ll still be a media beat to drop trailers, but the costs associated with physical event, t&e seems prohibitively high now that the industry has changed (edited)
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SGreenwell 7/9/2023 3:09 pm
At least from the complete outside looking in, it seems weird to me that they seemingly don't want to do it unless its a huge event they can have at Crypto or some other huge space. It seems better to me to just downsize to a smaller space and whatever companies want to do it, vs. taking the ball and going home because the five biggest companies all do their own thing now.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 3:09 pm
What I think people miss is that E3 isn't some big fan event, though people treat it that way. It's run by the industry's lobbying group. It needs to serve a purpose to its members.
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Absolutely. But the knock on effect is that it’s been a forcing function for announcements/reveals which impacts dev and marketing resources. I imagine the benefit of no e3 is generally positive in terms of development and limiting the amount of team travel. (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 3:17 pm
It's not like early demos are going away, and they existed well before E3. I don't think it's fair to say things will be better for the dev environment just because E3's gone.
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oh, i finally worked out where Wade Rosen's money comes from: https://rosensdiversifiedinc.com/
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(and some other things)
3:26 pm
(Atari CEO and is putting, as far as i can see, tens of millions into the company right now.)
3:27 pm
so, uh, meat processing funding Atari confirmed?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 3:27 pm
I mean aside form dumb Mobygames changes, things seem to be okay at Atari right now. Atari 50 was an excellent addition to the collective retro scene.
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Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 3:28 pm
And even less successful ventures haven't been as cash-grabby feeling as of late
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Atari is in fine shape but that's cos Wade is - i believe - personally funding them to lose quite a lot of $ every year. (so that would be my longer-term concern.)
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i poked around in their financials recently cos it's a difficult time to raise $, and it looked to me like most of their $ was not externally sourced.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 3:29 pm
you know if it's the pet project of some rich dude to celebrate and preserve Atari history then more power to him
3:29 pm
better than whatever palmer luckey has going on
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it true, just like, sustainability questions there. but if he keeps passing along the $ it's all good 🙂
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 3:30 pm
for sure
3:30 pm
I just assume anyone who can throw tens of millions of dollars at something is probably loaded enough that they don't have to worry about personal cash flow, hah
3:31 pm
here we go
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 3:32 pm
We'll see in two years if things are going alright. I am interested to see if this strategy of buying rather small scale operations will work out. Of course parlance in the video game industry is BUY ALL YOUR DEVS
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all of Wade's bios on the Atari financial website slightly dodge the meat processing stuff, e.g. he's listed as VP of 'Scientific Life Solutions' which I guess is his family company's 'research into pig tissues' division
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 3:33 pm
he should've bought the intellivision stuff beyond M-Network
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he also owns Ziggurat, right?
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and Ziggurat was kinda a dry run for Atari?
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jeremyparish 7/9/2023 5:07 pm
On one hand, I am very enthusiastic about ANY legacy company giving even the slightest hint of a shit about its own history. On the other hand, I don't trust ANY corporation to acquire an existing resource like this and not eventually ruin everything good about it
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On one hand, I am very enthusiastic about ANY legacy company giving even the slightest hint of a shit about its own history. On the other hand, I don't trust ANY corporation to acquire an existing resource like this and not eventually ruin everything good about it
Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 5:19 pm
Yep
5:19 pm
The first part of this forum post summarizes my feelings on it pretty succinctly
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:31 pm
there's no happy ending here, but if albert was close to stepping away anyway then the generous read on this is that we get a few more years of atari age than we would have otherwise
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:33 pm
I'm not very familiar with AtariAge, but it sounds like maybe it was a step away from being another NintendoAge
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:33 pm
it predates nintendoage by maybe a decade
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:33 pm
Oh I meant in terms of, the owners close it up and it's gone
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:33 pm
it was The community for atari fans
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yeah
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that entire product and brand is just completely dead now
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it was a totally meaningless acquisition
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Frank Cifaldi
there's no happy ending here, but if albert was close to stepping away anyway then the generous read on this is that we get a few more years of atari age than we would have otherwise
Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 5:34 pm
That's kinda where I'm at
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I'm treating the next few years as borrowed time
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:34 pm
wow, nintendoage.com isn't even loading for me
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Frank Cifaldi
it predates nintendoage by maybe a decade
Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 5:35 pm
AA started in the late 90s, so that sounds about right
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:35 pm
the nintendo age thing was crazy, it was presumably purchased with money for some business reason?? and as far as I can tell all they did was take down the entire webiste and replace it with a worse forum?
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they sat on it for a year and nobody knew, then the infrastructure was being retired and they had no migration plan
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:38 pm
what was the theoretical business model though?
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what were they purchasing? just the ability to message that user base?
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i think it was just impulse, they were already buying his collection so may as well get the site too
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:39 pm
sigh
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if a sealed game is a million dollars then the site must be worth something!
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Phil Salvador
Oh I meant in terms of, the owners close it up and it's gone
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:42 pm
that's more or less what happened to shoryuken.com. Then enough people got noisy enough that they brought back the forum in a much worse form that broke a bunch of links, and then got fed up enough that they sold it off to the supercombo wiki folks
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so now the forum exists in a read only format based on that last revision that has all the broken links
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:42 pm
every day that mobygames is still mobygames is a blessing imo
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:43 pm
but yeah, al straight up says he was looking at closing down portions of the site just because he couldn't keep up with it anymore after 20 odd years or selling it off
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so this is about as good as an outcome as I think we are getting, I'd still feel better if a deep crawl went down
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so the NA take down was because the physical server was getting unplugged and they would have to get licenses for all the ancient stuff running the forum/database back end and migrate to a new server (time and money). shitty replacement was a last minute failure to keep something up because they didnt put effort (time and money) into a modern service. probably lots of buyers regret and zero plan
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:45 pm
My thought process went "huh, there should really be a non-profit organization dedicated to preserving video game history like this"
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I'm just
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I'm gonna go lie down for a bit (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 5:46 pm
I thought there was a future where we owned mobygames until wade bought it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:46 pm
time for the strong museum of play to host a backup of the atariage forum
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:47 pm
I think what IFTF did is really the model. They started a non-profit that's acquiring all the various interactive fiction wikis, sites, etc. that are under single-person ownership or at risk of being abandoned
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That's where my thought process was going. Like I could imagine an alternate timeline where the Blue Sky Rangers bought AtariAge to keep the servers running or something
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:48 pm
the timeline where Keith Robinson survives is indeed a paradise
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at least for NA the problem with the various backups is so many broken links, no idea if that would be an issue with AA
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:49 pm
admittedly atariage's own database has broken links either to outside sites that no longer exist, or to pages that got moved within atariage
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:50 pm
The old Mario forum I used to be part of still has their old forums accessible, but so much of the board is dead because it's links to off-site images that no longer exist, etc.
5:50 pm
Not internal broken links, but still linkrot
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DeppySlide 7/9/2023 5:50 pm
yeah old image links suffer from linkrot really bad
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 7/9/2023 5:51 pm
if you want to go to the activision patches page you can't reach it directly from the game listings anymore
5:51 pm
hell I don't even think it's immediately accessible from the navigation bar
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DeppySlide 7/9/2023 5:51 pm
imageshack, tinypic, Dropbox, now imgur and giphycat
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 5:51 pm
Photobucket 🪦
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 5:52 pm
Our existences are ephemeral, meaningless. Let us all stew in the dread of what we have lost. It will never get better. Game history is going to die. Prepare for the worthless end of all we loved and hold dear. stargoose
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(On second thought, don't do that)
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DeppySlide 7/9/2023 5:52 pm
I think photobucket links still work but they're all covered up by a watermark
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As the owner of an old and crusty site that deparately needs to be updated... god it's so much work (edited)
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Nate Lockhart 7/9/2023 5:53 pm
I believe it (edited)
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btw i turned down a chance to be 50% owner of mobygames when it was grabbed back from gamefly cos i didn't want to deal with the paperwork, lol.
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slightly regretting it (but it would have made group decisions a mess to be fair, two 50-50 owners are a disaster)
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 6:14 pm
you coulda had some big wade bux (edited)
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Wasn't it like $1M or something?
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Phil Salvador 7/9/2023 6:15 pm
You could've been our eccentric rich person!
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i'm not sure, lol. Reed (who was the 100% owner before the Atari sale) spent a LOT more time on it than i did in the end, since he's been actively working on coding on it for the past few years, so it turned out fair. (edited)
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Jason Scott 7/9/2023 6:26 pm
Going to be a party.
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Hey, did you guys hear? My eyeball exploded?
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Anyway, it exploded and is now lasered to try to heal
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If it doesn't work out, at least I saw Frank with both of my eyes so recently
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 6:27 pm
whoa what??
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 6:27 pm
Detached cornea or something?
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Jason Scott 7/9/2023 6:27 pm
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Retinal tear during PVD
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Now trying to head off a full detachment
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 6:27 pm
jesus
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sorry man
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 6:28 pm
Well all the best.
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ugh sorry 😦 i was also like 'why did trance DJ Paul Van Dyk mess up your eye?'
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Jason Scott 7/9/2023 6:28 pm
3D movies suck anyway
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DeppySlide 7/9/2023 6:29 pm
sorry to hear that
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Jason Scott 7/9/2023 6:30 pm
It exploded on stream, which is amazing
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Gargoyles Remastered is an artfully crafted revival of the ‘90s classic 16-bit side-scrolling platform adventure. Relive the epic journey of Goliath and the Gargoyles featuring enhanced visuals, animations, and SFX, all inspired by the acclaimed animated series. The world of Gargoyles comes to life with a level of detail that will thrill fans of...
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 7:22 pm
oh, uh, ok
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that game's okay?
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I think it more has to do with the amount of intense nostalgia people have for the tv show, moreso than the actual game itself.
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who was the original dev?
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It is an odd case because unlike, Darkwing Duck or Ducktales, the gargoyles game doesn't really have a reputation as a game itself, more just the property it's connected to
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 7:23 pm
the remastered art really doesn't capture the atmospheric lighting of the original, which was really good
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Published by: Buena Vista Interactive Developed by: Walt Disney Computer Software, Inc.
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oh, a Disney internal studio? huh
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 7:25 pm
idk if I believe that yet, looking through credits
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 7/9/2023 7:26 pm
They have had one on and off many times. @smith5031 was gonna do an episode on The Ride and Fall and Rise and Fall of Disney in Video Games 🤪
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Frank Cifaldi 7/9/2023 7:26 pm
oh ok it was internal
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I know the programmer so I looked at his linkedin resume
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I was thrown off because staff is credited also to toy story, which was traveler's tales
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of course
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I assumed it was related to the availability of https://shrigley.com/source_code_archive/
I've been a games programmer for a very long time now, and over the years I've collected quite a lot of source code from the games I've worked on.  Unfortunately, a lot of the code is still owned by other people, and cannot be shared.  I have older archives though, on the NES, and Sega Genesis, that
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I just bought the LCD handheld and VHS game as the only other interactive media/games for that series
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time for the strong museum of play to host a backup of the atariage forum
I'd take it
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Ah, Neca. I like their figures. A lot of their Gargoyle ones look super good.
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yeah they're rad. Not sure what's special edition about that one aside from the box. Maybe a slightly different color application?
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NECA sure does love theircolor variations. I guess the audience does too if they keep buying them
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I'm still waiting for their Xanatos figure to come out. Should have been in stores 2 months ago
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I've noticed Super7 is starting to do that now
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Though the color variants do have some slight sculpt differences. This seems to be mostly happening with Silverhawks right now.
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And Thundercats. The first releases have all been cartoon accurate, now they're doing toy accurate figures. Silverhawks has the least amount of difference outside of paint though, it seems.
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I wanna get their newer Demona since she has some better facial expressions, and maybe a Steel Clan gargoyle.
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Jeremy Seith 8/9/2023 12:35 am
pictures do not accurately represent how big the Goliath fig is. it could be the weapon in a murder trial
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the nintendo age thing was crazy, it was presumably purchased with money for some business reason?? and as far as I can tell all they did was take down the entire webiste and replace it with a worse forum?
Kate Willært 8/9/2023 2:15 pm
What's even worse and more bizarre is what happened to ComicBookDB, which was basically the best comic book database on the internet...some company purchased it and almost immediately took it down, like that was the entire plan
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Kate Willært 8/9/2023 2:24 pm
The official statement was that it was closing down to be replaced by a "new and improved tool" but because you don't typically shut a thing down before a replacement is in place, I think most of us knew it was BS
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SGreenwell 8/9/2023 2:28 pm
Any chance that company was a front from Marvel or DC, or, some other venture capitalist folk trying to sell to them? That kind of immediately comes to mind.
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What's even worse and more bizarre is what happened to ComicBookDB, which was basically the best comic book database on the internet...some company purchased it and almost immediately took it down, like that was the entire plan
Nate Lockhart 8/9/2023 2:32 pm
I want to look into this more but I'm afraid of what I'll uncover for myself
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Frank Cifaldi 8/9/2023 2:44 pm
I forgot all about that, it was awful
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Any chance that company was a front from Marvel or DC, or, some other venture capitalist folk trying to sell to them? That kind of immediately comes to mind.
Kate Willært 8/9/2023 2:50 pm
Apparently it was CBS, who also owned ComicBook.com and ComicVine
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Ethan Whitted 8/9/2023 2:51 pm
We work with these type of old money kids! They have a whole name for themselves and this weird subculture.
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I think they're called "NextGens". They have podcasts and stuff where NextGens discuss with each other how to make meaning out of their life and best use their money for good in the world.
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Because most of these young 20-30-somethings have easy access to millions and millions of dollars but are playing a completely different game than their parents and don't know what to do with it all.
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I think it's a good time to have the internet archive trawl the forums, since I kinda suspect that'd be the first piece of the site to go
Ethan Whitted 8/9/2023 2:53 pm
Also, has anyone initiated this request yet? Should I contact the Archive Team to do a trawl? (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 8/9/2023 2:55 pm
I haven't, I say go for it
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Kate Willært 8/9/2023 3:02 pm
I'm not sure if IA has made any breakthroughs in the way they archive forums...the way forums are built, they're kind of resistant to crawling (edited)
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So even if Archive Team goes for it, they might only get the first page of any thread, for example
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/9/2023 4:45 am
I got to go inside Raw Thrills
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Nate Lockhart 9/9/2023 5:36 am
Here's a (silly) thought with the whole AtariAge thing - with more room now created in the 2600 homebrew market, does Hozer Video capitalize with a resurgence?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/9/2023 5:44 am
i do have to wonder, considering that's just the one guy (and said guy is my uncle, albeit not by blood)
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Nate Lockhart 9/9/2023 5:57 am
Wait, for real?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/9/2023 6:23 am
yeah I'm not entirely sure how to prove that without massively doxing myself and him
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i don't exactly have a relationship with him, in fact i kind of try not to interact with him if the potential exists
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i do have him to thank for introducing me to both emulation as a concept and the atari lynx
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and the vectrex
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and Mr. Do
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Jason Scott 9/9/2023 6:42 am
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Release Date: October 3, 2023 (Paperback orders go out by the release date. Ebook orders go out right away.)ISBN: 978-1-940535-33-3160 pages  Six years after helping the Edison family defeat the designs of a malevolent meteor in Maniac Mansion, college student and classic nerd Bernard Bernoulli once again finds himself at the front door of the i...
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this came out, just reading it
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It's October already?
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i think ebook versions arrive immediately, i got mine via a kickstarter email
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Sounds very cool, tempted to suggest it as a purchase for my work library
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/9/2023 6:12 pm
someone is developing MIDI-style tools for make music on the Bally Arcade without needing to arduously program in each tone through BASIC: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V2vkoQyhdi4
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Jason Scott 10/9/2023 6:14 pm
When keeping cultural archives safe means stepping outside the law
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(Just released to general free reading.)
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Phil Salvador 10/9/2023 6:19 pm
lol the libertarian angle of "We must preserve our history, like these books that TURNED WOKE"
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what were they purchasing? just the ability to message that user base?
I remember that at the time it was said their interest was on the game database that was integrated with the Forum. They had a comic price site or something and wanted to expand to games.
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@bunnyboy you knew that db well, I suppose, with that high score feature in AVS
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So the NA Forum itself was just something that came with the db and that they simple throw away
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I haven't, I say go for it
Ethan Whitted 12/9/2023 2:26 am
Requested.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/9/2023 3:14 am
Hally on the case with Taiwanese Famicom bootlegs https://twitter.com/hallyvorc/status/1701429974635544722
1995年3月、台湾にて押収された2000台の海賊版スーパーファミコン。台湾任天堂が警察に感謝を伝えにいった様子が、当時のニュース映像アーカイブに残されています。ここに見られる完全に本物そっくりな海賊版スーパーファミコンはこうして大半駆逐されたらしく、現存品には滅多にお目にかかれません。
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I took an hour tonight and pulled out my Nintendo Company Profile books and scanned 2022 in. I’ll try to go in order but might do the “easy” scans first to try to get through them all. I’ll create a collection after I get a few up. https://archive.org/details/NCP2022
Nintendo Company Profile 2022Nintendo Japan creates themed guides for use in annual recruitment drives.
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cc @Skyevlyn and @Kate Willært
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About half of what I have here, I started reading them again while scanning 😆
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I took an hour tonight and pulled out my Nintendo Company Profile books and scanned 2022 in. I’ll try to go in order but might do the “easy” scans first to try to get through them all. I’ll create a collection after I get a few up. https://archive.org/details/NCP2022
Awesome, thank you!!
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Frank Cifaldi 12/9/2023 12:37 pm
It went higher than the Doom source disc!
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I took an hour tonight and pulled out my Nintendo Company Profile books and scanned 2022 in. I’ll try to go in order but might do the “easy” scans first to try to get through them all. I’ll create a collection after I get a few up. https://archive.org/details/NCP2022
love the stamp art in this one!
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It went higher than the Doom source disc!
This non working I didn’t understand going so high. The loose Mega Duck went for more than the boxed MD Super Junior Computer, surprised me as well.
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Matt Clawson 12/9/2023 2:46 pm
i just don't like that a person that obnoxious got $2100 for anything sad_cowboy
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 12/9/2023 6:34 pm
Regarding the recent Unity news and the questions regarding enforcement of said “installs”, mcc makes a point regarding the effect this could have on preservation: https://cohost.org/mcc/post/2817248-this-is-what-i-belie TL;DR: publishers/devs could start pulling games down from digital stores if Unity actually goes through with their updated pricing plans.
What I am 100% convinced, reading this announcement (and the wordy-but-explains-surprisingly-little "FAQ") is that Unity specifically believes their "audience" is creators of cookie-cutter, app-store-flooding "free to play"/live-service games, and this announcement is them admitting out loud that they believe this and they're no longer even thin...
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Phil Salvador 12/9/2023 7:00 pm
The idea of it being retroactive is absolute madness to me
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 12/9/2023 7:01 pm
A lot of it doesn’t make sense at the moment… I guess it’s a “wait-and-see” thing for now.
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Frank Cifaldi 12/9/2023 7:55 pm
I get the feeling it was a rushed announcement and they're going to have to backtrack a lot of it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/9/2023 7:55 pm
Dunno. This is John Riccatello.
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And also there may be insider trading shenanigans going on https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unity-software-incs-president-ceo-050515124.html
On September 6, 2023, John Riccitiello, President and CEO of Unity Software Inc (NYSE:U), sold 2,000 shares of the company.
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he's scheduled to sell shares regularly, so nothing to see there i don't think
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(other stuff is fair game tho!)
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It's kind of wild that everyone's worst case reading of the policy appears to be exactly how it was intended to be read
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I got some clarifications from Unity regarding their plan to charge developers per game install (after clearing thresholds)
  • If a player deletes a game and re-installs it, that's 2 installs, 2 charges
  • Same if they install on 2 devices
  • Charity games/bundles exempted from fees
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They could institute pricing based on past success by using some metric - i.e. if you had a X downloads, you're charged a premium price. Good luck trying to send a retroactive bill though.
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I noted that the charge per installation seemed vulnerable to abuse (as noted by @tha_rami as well). Unity says it will use fraud detection tools and allow developers to report possible instances of fraud to a compliance team
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Phil Salvador 12/9/2023 8:04 pm
It's amazing that they gave Unity a chance to walk it back and they did not
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a lot of this is set up around unity's real money makers (which are mobile games with unity ads in them) so e.g. if you use their advanced solutions for mobile ads you don't have to pay (as much? anything?) for installs
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PC/console actual engine fees as a % of Unity's revenue are... i don't know, less than 20%?
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which, again, doesn't excuse any of this, but that's why it seems callous or dumb to a lot of the devs we know.
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i do think that even on mobile people will take a long, hard look at other solutions tho
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I guess that explains why Riccitiello said that unity devs who didn't charge enough for their games were fucking idiots. He needed them to hit the minimum dollar threshold to be part of this pricing scheme.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/9/2023 8:08 pm
it is twine's time now
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Phil Salvador 12/9/2023 8:13 pm
Honestly, I could imagine this might cause developers to mass-remove their back catalogs
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If you made a game in Unity 10 years ago, and it will cost you every time somebody reinstalls it? Insanity
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I just got a Series X and I reinstalled a bunch of stuff I already bought for the old Xbox. Theoretically that would make all those developers lose money
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it leads to a lot of uncertainty, yeah. the game needs to have hit top grossing AND install numbers in the past 12 months but you, as the consumer, don't know if that is true or not.
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 12/9/2023 8:16 pm
I just don’t see how this is enforceable and there is so much potential for lawsuits to contest any charges.
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so it leads to 'not good feelings' all around
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Did they even talk to Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Epic Games, Valve, GOG about this?
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I can't see any good ways to implement this other than having to talk with all of them
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 13/9/2023 2:29 am
Buy Cult of the Lamb now, cause we're deleting it on Jan 1st. 😘
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Phil Salvador 13/9/2023 2:32 am
Earlier I was gonna say that I was expecting mass game delistings, but I thought that would be an exaggeration, but
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alongside the FDS master dumps
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ah right
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so it just lists info on the dumps in that folder?
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might have some extra info i guess
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also says which ones did not dump right
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(and there are a few)
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How they thought it would work? People would simple pay?
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Wietse van Bruggen 13/9/2023 2:06 pm
💵Donate here! Few people are aware that Donkey Kong’s programming was outsourced by Nintendo to a company called Ikegami Tsushinki. In 1997, one of those Ikegami employees wrote his own take on the making of Donkey Kong, based on documentation he’d held onto since 1981. The 11-page article
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Wietse van Bruggen 13/9/2023 2:23 pm
@Kate Willært, Gaming Alexandria and Hit Save are teaming up to fundraise a complete translation by Shmuplations of a vital historical document written by an Ikegami employee about the development of Donkey Kong. If you'd like to help out: a donation is really appreciated if you can. And helping spread the message will be massively helpful too alexandria
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Attached: 1 image Did you know Donkey Kong’s programming was outsourced by Nintendo to a company called Ikegami Tsushinki? In 1997, one of those Ikegami employees wrote his own take on the making of Donkey Kong, based on documentation he’d held onto since 1981. @katewillaert@mastodon.social is teaming up with @gamingalexandria@digipres.club a...
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Did you know Donkey Kong’s programming was outsourced by Nintendo to a company called Ikegami Tsushinki? In 1997, one of those Ikegami employees wrote his own take on the making of Donkey Kong, based on documentation he’d held onto since 1981.
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Kate Willært 13/9/2023 2:52 pm
If you're curious, that header image is a sketch by Miyamoto of Donkey Kong guarding Olive Oil
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This article changes quite a bit of the making-of story
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Wietse van Bruggen 13/9/2023 3:05 pm
Thank you @Frank Cifaldi
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/9/2023 3:38 pm
don't want to crowd out the cool as hell DK crowdfunding, but the softcover version of my book is now up for preorder on Amazon and is very rad: https://www.amazon.com/Atari-Archive-Vol-Kevin-Bunch/dp/195518321X
Atari’s Video Computer System is one of the most significant game consoles in the history of the medium, but much of the history behind its creation, its place on the market, and its games has been relegated to dusty memories, legal papers, and trade industry coverage. Historian Kevin Bunch has w...
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 13/9/2023 3:41 pm
(The funding is most of the way there so no worries 😉 )
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/9/2023 3:42 pm
I was gonna say, it looked like it was just shy of 150 bucks from the goal when I checked a bit ago 😛 (edited)
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Kate Willært 13/9/2023 4:08 pm
I was figuring it'd go 48 hours, not 4 hours, lol
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@Kate Willært, Gaming Alexandria and Hit Save are teaming up to fundraise a complete translation by Shmuplations of a vital historical document written by an Ikegami employee about the development of Donkey Kong. If you'd like to help out: a donation is really appreciated if you can. And helping spread the message will be massively helpful too alexandria
Ethan Whitted 13/9/2023 4:16 pm
That's pretty awesome!
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Kate Willært 13/9/2023 5:10 pm
It ended up reaching goal in 2.5 hours
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Chris Kohler keeps teasing what the next The Making Of game is going to be, and man I really hope it's Wizardry
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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 14/9/2023 7:26 pm
the Making of Dogpatch alas will have to wait
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I just saw someone describe DE's approach as the games + a story mode and that is the funniest but totally fair description I've seen.
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I really wanna know what versions will be in it
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Will scoop it up day one just like I did with Karateka
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I don't recognize the logo. It's Wizardry?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/9/2023 9:03 pm
Yes.
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I thought it was a new, TWISTED gex game.
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Jeremy Seith 14/9/2023 10:00 pm
lizardry
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Jason Scott 14/9/2023 10:39 pm
In 2007, I wanted a better way to collaborate on software so I cofounded GitHub. We launched in 2008. In 2023, I wanted a better way to build games, soooo... I'm looking forward to sharing something new in 2024. https://t.co/FMyvJ6fMAK
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Kate Willært 14/9/2023 10:40 pm
Hm
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/9/2023 10:50 pm
I was really interested that Amazon's system had collaborative build tools. Too bad it crashed everytime I booted it.
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I thought it was a new, TWISTED gex game.
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god i wish (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 15/9/2023 12:24 am
whyy does this work so well
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izzy (she/her) 15/9/2023 12:27 am
twisted is basically the same narrative as gex
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at one point i tracked down the actor who played Twink Fizzdale (the host) and got in touch with him
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i thought maybe there was room in gex book for twisted talk
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 15/9/2023 12:51 am
i'd be interested in whoever was in Zhadnost, especially the host of "Game Show" in the opening cutscene
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because he definitely has a face, like, he'd be right at home in one of those movies about Catholic conspiracies
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I don't think I've seen this much Vectrex homebrew for sale outside of PRGE
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Game Over? In Amsterdam
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Frank Cifaldi 15/9/2023 12:56 pm
Wow yeah what the heck
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Nate Lockhart 15/9/2023 1:17 pm
It sure is strange, but I'm all for it
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Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord is a full 3D remake of the first game in the legendary Wizardry series of RPGs. The first party-based RPG video game ever released, Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord was a direct inspiration to series like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Digital Eclipse's revival preserves the appeal of t...
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Nate Lockhart 15/9/2023 2:01 pm
Couldn't be happier to see this as Digital Eclipse's next choice. If any historic game needs help with context and relation to modern sensibilities, it's this one
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I'm definitely intrigued - Wizardry seems like something right up my alley, but its kind of a blind spot for me.
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Ah, so this isn’t the next in the Gold Master Series, but rather a remake? Either way, pretty awesome…
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Yeah, I was expecting that a bit. Guess now I will be slightly mad that not every re-release is a masterful documentary choke full of prototypes and dev materials 😅 But it looks pretty great and is a big win for access, as its games like these which benefit the most from quality of life improvements.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/9/2023 3:45 pm
Time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping... https://twitter.com/GameResearch_E/status/1702709201493954603
Just learned of the passing of John Daleske, creator of Empire, the first "massively multiplayer" game. https://t.co/LrTlmiKZnY I spoke with Daleske briefly over email and his site is a super important source for early networked games. https://t.co/OiTtvoYtNh
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Wietse van Bruggen 15/9/2023 6:07 pm
that store is so cramped!
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Kate Willært 15/9/2023 7:25 pm
I guess what I’m most curious about the Wizardry remake is if it has or will have some documentary materials, cuz I don’t have as much interest in playing it as learning more about the making of and how it came to be such a big influence
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I guess what I’m most curious about the Wizardry remake is if it has or will have some documentary materials, cuz I don’t have as much interest in playing it as learning more about the making of and how it came to be such a big influence
Is this part of the Gold Master Series? Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord is not currently part of the Gold Master Series, which is Digital Eclipse's line of interactive documentaries. Whereas GMS titles focus on giving historical context to classic games, our main goal with Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord is to make the best updated version of this game possible. That said, we're always open to your feedback about which games and stories you'd like to see explored through the Gold Masters Series, so we can try to allocate resources accordingly.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/9/2023 7:33 pm
Our feedback: Yes, this one.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 15/9/2023 7:33 pm
yeah, hard to get enthused about a straight remake of wizardry 1
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Least Weasel 17/9/2023 12:01 pm
I'm watching the discourse on Baldur's Gate 3 finally, and there's Sebastian Ruiz at the Escapist that does Cold Take, and he has some of the best lines (edited)
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"I am become Debt, destroyer of credit scores."
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just prepping ads for VGHF social media and this one is... odd
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not even a screenshot
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oh i guess that's Satoshi Tajiri's first game? (Pokemon)
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also i'm def making an 'OK Boomer' joke for this one:
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I guess what I’m most curious about the Wizardry remake is if it has or will have some documentary materials, cuz I don’t have as much interest in playing it as learning more about the making of and how it came to be such a big influence
Chris Kohler 18/9/2023 4:36 pm
Late response: It does not currently have a documentary / museum type experience but we would love to do that if it becomes possible.
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Art of Nintendo Power 18/9/2023 4:37 pm
Did somebody say museum?! (so smooooth) NintendoLife did a writeup about our museum exhibit at PAX https://www.nintendolife.com/features/the-art-of-nintendo-power-exhibit-a-guided-tour
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nice! i, uhh, was at PAX and missed this 😦
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i wasn't paying attention to the off show-floor stuff i guess
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Art of Nintendo Power 18/9/2023 4:40 pm
we had a 60x60 space on the 4th floor of summit! it was incredible! Lines out the door all-day all four days.
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we ended up closing at midnight every night instead of ten, cause there were still people coming through!
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nice!
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Hooray
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Frank Cifaldi 18/9/2023 11:24 pm
I just read ours, that was fun!
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Between us we have 1% of the copies made
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Seems like there will be 2 more issues, then a collected Coffee Table book of sorts later.
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Frank Cifaldi 18/9/2023 11:48 pm
yeah I saw that in that cute little letter included
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overall very delighted with this package
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It's nice!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/9/2023 6:26 pm
three major sites (kotaku, polygon, ign) reported on the "phil spencer wants nintendo" news but none mentioned that he's in contact with a former msoft board member who is buying nintendo stock about pushing nintendo into positions that would make them vulnerable to acquisition
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(The last part is inferred but an interesting thing to know, nonetheless)
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Frank Cifaldi 19/9/2023 8:08 pm
going through tapes a game exec who did a lot of IP/marketing had and wow I sure did not expect professional copies of the ABC saturday morning commercial bumpers
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Loved Mr. Bumpy
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Jeremy Seith 19/9/2023 8:20 pm
get me the eyeless cowboy and then we're in business
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Packing up these stylish gents to send to a ‘blind box’ vintage game mag subscriber @GameHistoryOrg.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/9/2023 9:36 pm
If there was a Pantheon, who'd you put it?
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Just got mine! I guess we’re up to 1.5% now
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 19/9/2023 11:33 pm
any good pantheon has a few gods in it that you really wonder how the rest of the gods tolerate them
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therefore gaming's pantheon absolutely includes Randy Pitchford
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So which one is the trickster god? Is it Tomonobu Itagaki, or Keiji Inafune?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 19/9/2023 11:41 pm
Inafune by a long shot. ... or Molyneux
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Yeah, I guess Itagaki was really only a character in interviews.
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We once asked Itagaki at e3 on camera “When you walk around back home, are you just mobbed by fans?”. And without missing a beat he laughed and said in perfect English “I don’t walk”. (edited)
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And Molyneux was the only developer I’ve interviewed who requested that they take their shoes off to get comfortable
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Remember Milo?
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I miss Molyneux insanity.
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I forget, where was it confirmed that the plan for Milo was that he'd get leukemia?
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What?
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Kinect has the best demos.
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I forget, where was it confirmed that the plan for Milo was that he'd get leukemia?
Parents were getting a divorce in the version I made a video of
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Wait
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Maybe not
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Maybe they were moving
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My brain might be combining my playing of Milo and It Takes Two
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yeah, divorce is it takes two.
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Milo was planned to have some kind of life threatening medical condition
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Father lost his job
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I still like the intro in this prototype
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Wow. I thought it was total vapor ware and E3 magic.
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Now I really want to find where I saw that information about the kid having an illness
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Also, it’s like sad Seaman.
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Now I really want to find where I saw that information about the kid having an illness
Could have just been further in than the prototype
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yeah, it would have been the end of the game, so makes sense they wouldn't have made that bit for a prototype
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especially because a smart producer would say "we are like 90% going to have to change this because people aren't going to want us to kill the kid, so let's not spend resources on that"
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So we found the 2008 DICE Awards which hasn't been available online for at least a decade. Check it out. Some cringe, a lot of great winners, some Jay Mohr, and Mike Morhaime getting induced into the Hall of Fame. https://t.co/G2uSi0zMXK
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Frank Cifaldi 20/9/2023 4:02 pm
Oh that rules, we just got 1998 and 1999
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Least Weasel 20/9/2023 5:39 pm
So is Microsoft still going to try to buy Nintendo?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/9/2023 5:48 pm
Try? Yes. They tried first in the Xbox era. Succeed? Highly unlikely. Japanese companies simply don't get bought by American companies, and there's absolutely no way the SEC wouldn't be able to prove it's a monopolistic act.
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there's some (probably correct) speculation that Phil Spencer was having to explain to a high level exec when he made that reply.
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so he knows perfectly well it's not possible, but that's the corporate-speak version of explaining it internally without sounding like 'c'mon, that'll never work'
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/9/2023 6:06 pm
The only way Nintendo is getting out of making onsoles is it they chose too. And right now they have no reason to. (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi
going through tapes a game exec who did a lot of IP/marketing had and wow I sure did not expect professional copies of the ABC saturday morning commercial bumpers
Kate Willært 20/9/2023 8:55 pm
The lost ClayFighters characters
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Frank Cifaldi 20/9/2023 8:55 pm
we actually did find 2x sprites of the actual lost Hobocop character on a press kit once
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I guess Bump in the Night characters were too kid friendly for their edgy(??????) cast.
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Frank Cifaldi 20/9/2023 9:59 pm
aw I just missed our 7-year 501(c)3-iversary
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You share birthdays with the dreamcast
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Frank Cifaldi 20/9/2023 10:09 pm
oh hey!!
10:09 pm
business incorporation is I think april-something, I really should get these on the calendar
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"Compulsive Development". Looks like they formed in 2000, shipped these in 2001, and then were acquired by Glass Eye Entertainment in 2002 https://www.mobygames.com/search/?q=Glass+Eye+Entertainment
Phil Salvador 20/9/2023 11:40 pm
Resurrecting a 5-month old topic. This name came up in my own research today, unexpectedly!
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I said they sounded like a "a small scraping-together-gig-work company out of Austin" made out of ex-Origin employees, and that was kind of right!! The co-founder of Glass Eye was a developer at Maxis South, the company did that Space Cadet Pinball
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I've been talking with Maxis South people, and it sounds like after EA shut them down, most people were able to land a gig at another local studio. I think some of them must have started their own company. I'm seeing both artists and designers who jumped over to Glass Eye (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 20/9/2023 11:49 pm
Research! It comes in spurts.
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Phil Salvador 21/9/2023 6:44 pm
Am I hallucinating this, or a couple years ago, did somebody find and upload a guide for Nintendo retailer partners/marketers? It was either a binder or a video
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It could be that it was something I WANTED to exist and I misremembered it
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I know we have certain things for that
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Dive deep into the world of arcade gaming with the VISCO Collection, featuring seven classic titles from Visco Corporation. Each game offers a unique and exhilarating experience that will keep you entertained for hours. Here's more about the included titles:Andro Dunos: Blast through space in a side-scrolling shoot 'em up adventure, facing off a...
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 12:57 am
Talking at a local library tonight, I hope someone shows up
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Good luck!
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Phil Salvador 22/9/2023 1:07 am
He had to go all the way to the accursed South Bay for this
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/9/2023 1:18 am
oh hell yeah library talks
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 1:19 am
Also I had a flat tire so I had to rent a car and then drive an hour and a half
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Bad luck!
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 1:22 am
Wish this guy would show up
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Also this is silicon valley so this white haired man better be an Atari engineer
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Actually the guy next to him has an Atari shirt on
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/9/2023 1:23 am
"aw man, he's just steve wozniak"
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 1:23 am
Old news
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/9/2023 2:37 am
This ROM set is the definitive complete and verified collection of commercially-released games for the Casio Loopy. Note that some previously-available Loopy...
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 4:38 am
Oh for context the last Loopy game just got dumped!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/9/2023 4:56 am
Yes I should have mentioned that part
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Hooray!
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I still kind of want to get a Loopy...
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Ngl
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Least Weasel 22/9/2023 12:57 pm
Looking into the morgue files finally ...
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Is there a way to sort by year?
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Or by publishing date?
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AHA! Bless Mobygames, they have a means of sorting by release date for everything in their database
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Least Weasel 22/9/2023 1:07 pm
Ok, so they are currently owned by Atari SA -- what is the likelihood that this database is not backed up somewhere?
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Wikipedia, Morgue Files, IGDB, MobyGames ...
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There is no definitive database is there?
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I feel like I'm screaming into the wind. Do any of you guys get this feeling of being utterly overwhelmed with the monumental size of all this?
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(i think Reed, who runs MobyGames, will ensure that the data doesn't go anywhere long term, i've talked to him about that.)
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also on monumental size, yes, i was responsible (with Reed) for adding scraping of Steam/console pages and also adding all the 'promo art' capabilities to MobyGames and the reason we did the former was that Moby was getting sooo behind on new titles. there's just so much stuff out there. (edited)
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nowadays it's pretty decent on moby in terms of 'notable' brand new games, but obviously lots not being scraped since it doesn't autoscrape. (somebody has to manually add the URL and check each game, it will grab screenshots and description automagically during that process.) (edited)
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IGDB is owned by Twitch/Amazon of course.
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Matt Clawson 22/9/2023 2:14 pm
A few years back I wrote an autoscaper for steam for my own purposes and it was really fun
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Since then they've made their own API much better
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/9/2023 2:16 pm
There was a Mobygames alternative being worked on by some German guys to a super high-standard, but it's dead unfortunately.
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yeah, i remember following that, it was SUCH a high standard that they couldn't get much done
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perfection is the enemy of excellence, etc
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my day job (http://www.gamediscover.co) has a large cache of Steam data now, but we don't grab screenshots or videos, just short description and a bunch of performance data like Steam followers, CCU, etc.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/9/2023 2:25 pm
Well that's useful for a different reason, just not historic 😉
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 2:55 pm
I have a hot update from the Oregon Convention Center: we just got final signed approval on a new feature in the Portland Retro Gaming Expo museum that we host every year. This year we will have two Snuggle Tents. I will not elaborate at this time.
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Wietse van Bruggen 22/9/2023 5:00 pm
you bringing birds
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 5:06 pm
Not birds
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Wietse van Bruggen 22/9/2023 5:10 pm
bobcats
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probably need some liability insurance for that
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Jeremy Seith 22/9/2023 5:10 pm
is that like when you and kelsey were trying to put a cage inside a sleeping bag?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 22/9/2023 5:13 pm
who will be the first to be photographed snuggling with an Atari Jaguar game
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Jeremy Seith
is that like when you and kelsey were trying to put a cage inside a sleeping bag?
Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 5:28 pm
I don't remember this??
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Jeremy Seith 22/9/2023 6:17 pm
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 6:18 pm
ohhhh right
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/9/2023 6:19 pm
For you, it was an iconic moment in VGHF history. For Frank and Kelsey, it was Sunday.
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 6:19 pm
*thursday
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/9/2023 6:19 pm
I messed it up.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 22/9/2023 6:20 pm
"All I want to do is create the perfect video game history nonprofit organization. Not for evil. Not for power. But for good!"
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the rest of the quote with Carlos Blanka is identical though
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Jeremy Seith 22/9/2023 6:22 pm
iconic was probably buying underwear but this felt like similarly appropriate form
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Least Weasel
I feel like I'm screaming into the wind. Do any of you guys get this feeling of being utterly overwhelmed with the monumental size of all this?
Phil Salvador 22/9/2023 8:39 pm
I want to give an honest response to this: no, I don't. I think part of this job is understanding that there's only so much work that you or your organization can do and focusing on that. And getting comfortable with the idea of inevitable loss
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 8:40 pm
yeah I'll back that up. I won't say we're completely there but we have become more and more comfortable with being able to admit that we're only going to focus on the things we can actually impact
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I agree with the above. There are still moments of frustration, but ultimately, there is still a lot that can be done.
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Least Weasel 22/9/2023 8:51 pm
How did you guys reach that zen?
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For me, it is wanting to be able to sleep at night. And realizing that loss happens across all forms of media, with historians doing their best to fill in the gaps that do exist.
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Jeremy Seith 22/9/2023 9:09 pm
nonprofit bureaucracy, budget restrictions, work/life balance are some...organic ways to numb one to creeping entropy
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Frank Cifaldi 22/9/2023 9:13 pm
I think there's a maturity aspect to it too, recognizing your own mortality and stuff
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Phil Salvador 22/9/2023 10:23 pm
Honestly the same reason I don't drive myself insane about like, climate change, or any of the other massive things out of your control that you could panic about. At a certain point it's, what can I realistically do to make things better
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Jason Scott 22/9/2023 10:31 pm
What is all this
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I feel like I'm screaming into the wind. Do any of you guys get this feeling of being utterly overwhelmed with the monumental size of all this?
in my case, yes, I am, I just mean the whole overwhelmed feeling when you deal with preservation (edited)
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I just focus on Satellaview but I actually burned out trying to take the job of like 4 people at once for it.
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I already mostly take the job of datamining, restoring and managing dumps which is still something that I do and am fine doing
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but doing constant research on a culture and language that I mostly barely scratch the surface, when I try to figure out the context of these content from dumps is just a straight up nightmare for me.
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It takes a lot of effort to avoid mistranslations and misunderstandings
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It does not help how Satellaview is really not that well documented
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and that I feel a lot of pressure to solve that problem as best as I can, but I reached my limit (edited)
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Jason Scott 23/9/2023 11:41 am
I don't get overwhelmed at all but I'm a somewhat mental person.
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If you want a job where you see the beginning and the end and get to try to do it over again seeking perfection, mow lawns. (edited)
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My kingdom for constraints (especially a deadline)
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Jason Scott 23/9/2023 5:11 pm
I mean, 10 years in, I'm now finally fixing the screenshots of about a thousand emulated items I'd skipped over or missed over the vast time, since I have better tools to track them down and fix them.
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Jason Scott 23/9/2023 5:21 pm
Speaking of doing the work: THIS fucking guy:
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He's just been endlessly plugging in every single flash-based game or game toy connected to nearly every major property that was active in the early 2000s. Endless.
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Barbie, Winx Club, Monster High. It's just a cascade, with even the logos for the thumbnails.
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Frank Cifaldi 23/9/2023 5:39 pm
Hero
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Phil Salvador 23/9/2023 8:50 pm
Oof, the operator of Gamebase64 passed away suddenly and they need someone to take over the site https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2023/09/gamebase64-needs-you/
Gamebase64 has been a hugely important digital archive for the Commodore 64 for over 25 years now, bringing together all of the games that have made the
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This is a tangible history thing someone can commit time/resources to
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Wish this guy would show up
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 24/9/2023 2:37 am
i gave a talk about the visual effects industry at the tail end of a con earlier this year. 6 people showed up. i feel this photograph so much right now.
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Frank Cifaldi 24/9/2023 3:39 am
Oh I didn't mind at all! It was fun
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He's just been endlessly plugging in every single flash-based game or game toy connected to nearly every major property that was active in the early 2000s. Endless.
Ethan Whitted 24/9/2023 4:39 am
@Jason Scott I love super focused people like that.
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Such a benefit to society.
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It brings Marion Stokes to mind https://recorderfilm.com/
Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project - a new documentary by Matt Wolf. Marion Stokes was an activist who secretly recorded television 24 hours a day for 30 years on 70,000 VHS tapes.
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ToastmanJack 24/9/2023 6:45 am
yea im like Marion Stokes but for Australian Gaming Mags
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@Jason Scott My life.
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 25/9/2023 3:46 am
ah crap i meant to say this earlier! I loved, love, loved getting stickers in the mail. It's been months ago now, but I had no idea they were inbound at all, and it was such a great surprise. had to put it on the front of my work machine.
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Frank Cifaldi 25/9/2023 1:57 pm
Look at that perfect fit with the donut
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/9/2023 2:07 pm
New organization tagline?
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I've got my sticker in the little marquee holder that came with the Egret II Mini.
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I wish the base thing would have had a marquee for the games it came with, but this works just fine.
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I’ve got my misters decked out in VGHF livery 💜💖🧡
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that looks super cool
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even got the colored buttons on that aluminum shell
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Participez à la naissance du musée du jeu vidéo en France, abritant la plus grande collection de consoles au monde !
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'Crowdfunding campaign, in France, for a museum of video games based on a person's personal collection.'
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already raised 750k Euros
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(i presume this person is famous in France)
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Id be curious to hear what sort of research theyve done into actually building things, just having a rough idea of what it costs to do stuff here. Wishing them luck, we need more places for people to view and interact with things, especially in places like France that dont have really anything.
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Id be curious to hear what sort of research theyve done into actually building things, just having a rough idea of what it costs to do stuff here. Wishing them luck, we need more places for people to view and interact with things, especially in places like France that dont have really anything.
When I’ve been asked about running a physical museum space, I always start by asking, how much do you think janitorial costs a year for a public building? 😂 (edited)
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Jason Scott 25/9/2023 8:57 pm
I really need to write my document about starting a museum
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/9/2023 8:59 pm
Step 1: Donate everything to the internet archive. Step 2: You're free (edited)
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Nic McConnell 25/9/2023 9:23 pm
I’m a little late to the “where are my VGHF stickers” convo, but I’ve got one on the side of my neo geo cab
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Here’s mine!
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Frank Cifaldi 25/9/2023 10:06 pm
ooh and the hit save too
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izzy (she/her) 25/9/2023 10:11 pm
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Phil Salvador 25/9/2023 10:11 pm
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Mine is pretty plain right now
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 25/9/2023 11:15 pm
I just got a new job recently so my work laptop is bare. I guess I need to get a VGHF sticker to put on it!
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Phil Salvador 25/9/2023 11:51 pm
Come get em
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(please don't actually fly to the bay area to get a sticker)
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Frank Cifaldi 25/9/2023 11:51 pm
there's a small stack in my car too. similarly please don't steal my car.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/9/2023 11:54 pm
Should I steal the Bay Area instead
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Phil Salvador 25/9/2023 11:55 pm
Yes (edited)
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(please don't actually fly to the bay area to get a sticker)
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 25/9/2023 11:57 pm
Bet
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Kate Willært 26/9/2023 12:00 am
If Carmen doesn’t steal it first
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i guess Doug Dohring passed away, he was original (ish?) CEO of NeoPets I guess? https://www.ageoflearning.com/tribute/
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My beater laptop is sticker light but vghf is one of em
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This is for a for profit video game museum that's split in two parts: the museum and a japanese "village" (the idea being to have something that can bring the money to leave the museum alive, and boy does France love Japanese culture) (edited)
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The museum happens to be part of a city's project as well by some stroke of luck and negociations (edited)
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the city's project being a "entertainment center" where it's basically a bit of everything cultural in one big space (edited)
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this space also happens to be not very far from Disneyland Paris
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so this can potentially be the one case where a museum could hold up in France
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there were 2 previous attempts that just didn't work for too long (edited)
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one stayed for only a week
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the other for about 2 years (edited)
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But mind you, it says museum but the founders are not really happy with the word
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as they want this to be something to come back to with events and stuff like that
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they don't want this to be just a showcase
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But they couldn't come up with a better word for it
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Sounds like a museum to me 😛
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 26/9/2023 2:22 pm
I'm sure somebody here might be able to contribute an interesting question https://twitter.com/jpdysonplay/status/1706675191894401230
I'm curious.... for game studies scholars, what do you think the most interesting questions, debates, or topics are at the moment?
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"what is a game?" 🙂
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this is awesome
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 26/9/2023 4:01 pm
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Lmao
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george rohac 26/9/2023 4:30 pm
I was able to get a copy of Monster Hunter i, a lost MH game released for Japanese feature phones! The full game was preloaded on the SH903i, which also supports AV out. Once I get more familiar with the game, I want to stream it so people can have a live look at how it played!
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Jason Scott 26/9/2023 6:01 pm
Look at me, on the Zoom call with Phil and not writing "GAMES AS A SERVICE IS THE VIDEO CALL ONLY VISITING OF THE GAMES HISTORY PRISON"
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Doing research on DVD player games.. this has gotta be the most boring subset of games imaginable
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Phil Salvador 26/9/2023 10:12 pm
What are you researching though? If you're digging into it, there's gotta be something interesting you're looking for
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I think I know someone who you might want to talk to, depending on who your topic is
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Doing research on DVD player games.. this has gotta be the most boring subset of games imaginable
I only looked into the one recently (https://www.mobygames.com/game/196506/goosebumps-whats-different-challenge/), but it's a neat subset of games This one had full developer credits and details as well which was cool to see
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Just popped it into my PS4 like any ol' game (edited)
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These are the DVD’s with Nuon enhanced features, I clearly have not downsized enough over the last few years 😂
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I only looked into the one recently (https://www.mobygames.com/game/196506/goosebumps-whats-different-challenge/), but it's a neat subset of games This one had full developer credits and details as well which was cool to see
Yeah it's interesting cause it's an odd forgotten category, but most of it just the most bland, barely-counts-as-a-game thing... mostly all trivia, bonus games in the extras for DVDs, some visual novels and ports of older FMV games like mad dog McCree and the like A lot of it seemingly only getting UK releases too, unless someone else just hasn't added the US releases for these games (edited)
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Oh and Game Wave, forgot I still had this 😂
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These are the DVD’s with Nuon enhanced features, I clearly have not downsized enough over the last few years 😂
Interesting, the plot thickens.. maybe more for me to go hunt down haha... is there a list of these enhanced ones on nuon dome or anything?
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Oh and Game Wave, forgot I still had this 😂
Yep, got the full US set myself 🙂 No Quiz Konnect for now though, and it's made for an Indian audience, so I'm not even sure if it'd work on a US Game Wave, unless they're region-free (if I remember correctly, they aren't)
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Interesting, the plot thickens.. maybe more for me to go hunt down haha... is there a list of these enhanced ones on nuon dome or anything?
Yes nuon dome has a list of these and iirc 2 or 3 prototypes that weren’t used?
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Jason Scott 27/9/2023 12:37 am
Frank will learn so much tomorrow.
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In other news, my boy is back
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Least Weasel 27/9/2023 12:48 am
I loved hearing Matt Bozon telling the story of how they basically made Castlevania and skinned it as Barbie for all those titles they had to make
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Frank Cifaldi 27/9/2023 12:55 am
I can't see Barbie Secret Agent Royal Jewels Mission without thinking about this photo from a Russian market where it's being sold as "Secret Agent Royal Jew"
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Matt Clawson 27/9/2023 12:59 am
whoa that sure is somethin!
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godman bootlegs are so fascinating
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Jason Scott
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I was at that publisher in the mid 00s and I recall an anecdote about how some people weren't keen on working on Barbie games but they were the most unimaginably profitable games
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Probably that ROI
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It happened again later with Littlest Pet Shop at EA (edited)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 27/9/2023 4:52 pm
@kelslewin's not bitter, you're bitter
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I trend on the other end of the spectrum these days. Drop it suddenly without giving advance notice to anyone
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Don't put me in charge of marketing
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
New organization tagline?
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:36 pm
yes! "worry about donuts, they're probably out to get us all"
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Nic McConnell
I’m a little late to the “where are my VGHF stickers” convo, but I’ve got one on the side of my neo geo cab
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:39 pm
i love the aggro crab, what is that?
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Phil Salvador
Mine is pretty plain right now
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:41 pm
yeah, but that's a dope sad mac
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne
i love the aggro crab, what is that?
Nic McConnell 27/9/2023 6:41 pm
It’s the developer behind Going Under and the upcoming Another Crab’s Treasure - great crew of folks making cool stuff!
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Chris A
My beater laptop is sticker light but vghf is one of em
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:42 pm
chris please tell me where you got that original apple logo to put over your boring monochrome lid logo, i need that. (i have a couple sheets of stickers left over that came with my apple //c from when i was a kid, but i'm afraid to use them)
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Nic McConnell
It’s the developer behind Going Under and the upcoming Another Crab’s Treasure - great crew of folks making cool stuff!
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:42 pm
nice! i'm-a have to check that out
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne
nice! i'm-a have to check that out
Nic McConnell 27/9/2023 6:43 pm
Woohoo! They have a great sense of humore on display in their games - Going Under is 5 bucks on Steam right now and Another Crab’s Treasure will have a demo in the Steam Next Fest next week!
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Hope you enjoy!
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 6:50 pm
i'd accuse you of being nick mcconnell of aggro crab fame, but i can't verify that. plus the k. 😉 but those both look awesome! and i have a switch gift card burning a hole in my pocket 🙂
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne
chris please tell me where you got that original apple logo to put over your boring monochrome lid logo, i need that. (i have a couple sheets of stickers left over that came with my apple //c from when i was a kid, but i'm afraid to use them)
Its been a long time, but I think I went with a 3rd party sticker that was sized to fit the illuminated Apple logo, something like what this seller offers https://www.etsy.com/listing/540530169/rainbow-apple-macbook-decal-retro-apple
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if its for a 2015 or earlier, make sure you get a decal thats meant to be backlit
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(Im hanging on to my 2015 as long as I can, the form factor that ended that year is one of my favorites)
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 27/9/2023 7:49 pm
i hear you -- i'm really sad that they ditched the backlight. thanks for the link!
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Phil Salvador 27/9/2023 10:08 pm
BREAKING: PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down, two sources tell Bloomberg News.
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I didn't realize he lived in the UK. That schedule had to be brutal
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probably a coincidence but weird that happened after an alleged ransomware attack hit Sony yesterday
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This is a lot to take in.
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Matt Clawson 28/9/2023 1:11 am
if they keep putting lipstick on this pig it'll be majority lipstick by weight, eventually
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Jason Scott 28/9/2023 1:17 am
Dude, I was able to hand a service a photograph taken in poor light of 10 covers of VHS tapes and it gave me effective descriptions of what they were
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Matt Clawson 28/9/2023 1:20 am
There's 12 there
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And it refused to give you one description because part of it was missing?
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Jason Scott 28/9/2023 1:22 am
Yeah. Better fire it
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Matt Clawson 28/9/2023 1:26 am
I'll be more excited for this batch of AI when the major players start taking the ethical problems seriously, which sadly doesn't seem likely any time soon since they keep laying off the good ones. They might never have to reckon with them since they seem to have been given the ability to regulate themselves.
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Nobody ever wants to touch the ethics problems. (edited)
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Jason Scott 28/9/2023 1:27 am
I get your position
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But I am not of your position.
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Jeremy Seith 28/9/2023 1:50 am
what's the use case here? rapid ebay lot description?
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Jeremy Seith 28/9/2023 2:03 am
it's neat that it can source 10 discrete descriptions from a single image, i just don't know the value of mass bottom barrel description
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/9/2023 2:13 am
AI is a waste of electricity and carbon, only slightly less one of than crypto shit and nfts
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/9/2023 2:28 am
So are games.
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Jeremy Seith 28/9/2023 2:33 am
i do use google lens a shitload during archival processing and shotlist description tho so I would be interested if it could bridge geolocation gaps in, say, 8mm home movies of landscapes changed
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Jason Scott 28/9/2023 2:34 am
I am delighted to stop discussing this subject in this discord.
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Jeremy Seith 28/9/2023 2:37 am
i think i got purged from yours
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
So are games.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/9/2023 3:49 am
games don't also completely undermine the veracity of information online and my chosen career 😛
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Sega Forever Games Are Being Delisted From iOS And Android https://t.co/tAuG9gbe5Z #Sega #SegaForever
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also, delphine's archives flooded? argh: https://twitter.com/VGDensetsu/status/1707065379091042444
On March 14, 2023, Raphaël Gesqua (composer, sound designer) and Thierry Perreau (graphic designer, art director) gave a talk on Delphine Software. You can now watch a video of the conference here (in French) https://t.co/SSRhZSQ0BH A few interesting points:
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Frank Cifaldi 28/9/2023 3:12 pm
GOG being really nice to us again
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Here's a fun way to support video game preservation and get something in return! GOG is offering a Supporter Pack of digital goodies, with all proceeds going straight toward our work at the VGHF.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 28/9/2023 3:13 pm
Effective weaponization of memes, ahoy! (edited)
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 28/9/2023 3:15 pm
Nice! I just saw that Wario64 posted about it on Threads too: https://www.threads.net/@wario64/post/CxvLAQJL0-l/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
The Video Game History Foundation Supporter Pack is $3.49 on GOG https://bit.ly/3RKzqwa
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Matt Clawson 28/9/2023 3:16 pm
bought 1!!!! anyone know how gifts work? do you need an email address up front or could i say... buy 10 of these to give out on twitter (edit: you do need emails up front) (edited)
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ToastmanJack 28/9/2023 3:25 pm
wow cool
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izzy (she/her) 28/9/2023 4:06 pm
what's the gex content like in there
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Phil Salvador 28/9/2023 4:49 pm
GOG Interview: learn more about games preservation with Video Games History Foundation and support their cause!
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I was kind of expecting this though. Their twitter is really well maintained, but the site itself, the last I looked, was kind of in shambles.
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I wonder if it's probably going through a restructure/rebranding perhaps? Maybe just fully embracing Sega AGES as more than just really good ports of older games and more of their historical side of things in general?
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Forever was mostly, at first, just a brand for games appearing on mobile, and an effort to make them free via ads with an option to buy away the ads, then it started doing stuff that was mentioned in the article where its social was posting unseen stuff, and just recently, restoring an old Sega World statue.
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It's not really much of a surprise either way that the mobile games are being delisted. I'm sure the wrapper they used for them is getting long in the tooth, it was already sub-par on release outside of retroactively rolling Sonic CD back into it.
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(into the Forever free-with-ads-pay-for-none stuff, that is)
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Lots of latency and inaccuracies via emulation. I think it was also using Unity for all of its extra mobile focused features (ads/touch controls)
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wasn't https://twitter.com/Rlan2 doing their twitter?
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(or maybe not, i just got that impression)
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which was why it was good
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Frank Cifaldi 28/9/2023 8:36 pm
he did some(most?), and danny russell ran it
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Yeah
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At the time that Forever launched it made sense from the mobile side of things, but then Sega was also reviving their AGES brand, and it did after a while feel odd how disconnected AGES and Forever were.
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Forever felt a bit more autonomous. But with it's recent activity, and again those mobile emulated titles probably getting a bit crusty over time, it does make sense perhaps shifting it into something more and maybe even labeling it AGES.
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But that's me being hopeful, and also desiring some consistency.
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Frank Cifaldi 28/9/2023 9:28 pm
nothing to see here just scrapped mario 1 sprites
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何気に流し見ていたら #スーパーマリオブラザーズ の没グラフィックが出てきてちょっとドキドキした。海外勢には #ゼルダの伝説 の開発風景がワクワクかも。宮本さん若い~。😂 >マリオ、ゼルダ 人気ソフト開発の舞台裏に迫る!ファミコン発売から40周年、原動力は「遊び心」 https://t.co/vdLLlZS8EK
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I like that cute snake/dino thing on the top right image
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Ethan Whitted 28/9/2023 9:38 pm
NEWS: Epic Games, the maker of Fortnite and Unreal Engine, is laying off a whopping 16% of employees (or around 900 people), sources tell Bloomberg News. More to come
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Matt Clawson 28/9/2023 9:43 pm
So sad. Furthermore, they're selling Bandcamp to some other company. Why did they bother buying them in the first place 😠
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A talk from two ex-devs of Delphine Software
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in french
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unfortunately, I learned through this that all of Delphine Software's stuff was lost in a flood
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and very few things were saved (edited)
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through this, in 20 minutes
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I learned Jordan Mechner helped on Flashback rotoscoping
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The lead of Tomb Raider was around during Fade To Black's development
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and that Moebius helped doing the box art of F2B (edited)
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they kept some of the stuff where they drew the running animation for Flashback from the recorded video
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but that's about it
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(i remember Raphael Gesqua from his Amiga demo-scene work as Audiomonster!)
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They also kept the initial design docs for Flashback 2 after the 1st game was done
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it was way before Fade To Black
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I think the funniest story out of this is how Paul Cuisset did a crash course on sound design to Raphael Gesqua
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he asked "you should do sound design" "I don't know how to do that" "well it's not very hard I'll show you" and whips out all the sound tools and made a quick gun shot sound effect by mixing a few together with some effects (edited)
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Thierry Perreau mentions the new Flashback 2 when at a conference someone asked "will there be a sequel"
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says "Well if Paul says yes I'd do it no problem"
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Paul gives the look after that answer as in "yeah that's coming" (edited)
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apparently the new game went from being a 5 hour game to 20
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also jokingly goes into the process of game dev and why Paul was not present for this talk
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as he mentions Paul is the lead programmer of the game and has a meeting every 15 minutes and needs to cool down at the end of the day (edited)
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also he mentions Darkstone was made pretty much entirely in work from home
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and that the version that released is the second version of the game because the first attempt used to be a Zelda-like game and the devs still seems to think that prototype looked better than Zelda 64
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but it was put away because it took months to make and would require years of work to make it a full game
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it's kind of funny how you can shelve a project because it would take too long at the time
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Michael Berry 29/9/2023 7:42 pm
I never knew of this until I saw this in another discord: https://www.slashfilm.com/565037/alien-vs-predator-football-video-game/
Concept art shows that there was once an Alien vs Predator football video game in development for SEGA Genesis sometime in the mid-90s.
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Frank Cifaldi 29/9/2023 7:42 pm
"in development" is a big stretch here
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Whoever wins. We lose (yardage).
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Frank Cifaldi 29/9/2023 7:43 pm
these dev pitches on paper are the equivalent of sketching out video game ideas during a high school class
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Michael Berry 29/9/2023 7:47 pm
Oh gotcha, that didn't get very far at all then. What a weird pitch for a football game
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Mutant League Football came out
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Capstone, the pinnacle of quality, made a T2 chess game
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Mutant League Football came out
And Bloodbowl.
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Phil Salvador 29/9/2023 7:56 pm
I noticed that the source for those images was a blog post NVM made about them in 2019... which no longer exists 😦
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 29/9/2023 7:58 pm
way to linkrot, John
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 29/9/2023 8:06 pm
reminds me i still gotta get my Mutant Football League (the reboot) poster framed some time
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Michael Berry
Oh gotcha, that didn't get very far at all then. What a weird pitch for a football game
Least Weasel 29/9/2023 8:13 pm
When I see your PFP I secretly want to believe you're Arlo.
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When I see your PFP I secretly want to believe you're Arlo.
Michael Berry 29/9/2023 8:54 pm
Lol I do see the resemblance there
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I am not though
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/9/2023 3:35 pm
Don't miss the @RichWhitehouse panel if you're at PRGE! https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1708116809004802209
Looks like the PRGE 2023 panel schedule has solidified! I'll be presenting "Finally Emulating the Atari Jaguar" on Sunday (October 15th) at 3:15pm, and it looks like I'll be in plenty of good company. Please stop by if you're in the area!
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Frank Cifaldi 30/9/2023 4:08 pm
You can also come play his emulator in the museum between Snuggle Tent sessions
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Ethan Whitted 30/9/2023 5:28 pm
I'm trying to get the VGHF published study picked up by an NPR podcast... let me know if they end up eventually reaching out.
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Frank Cifaldi 30/9/2023 5:29 pm
Ok! Which one?
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Frank Cifaldi 30/9/2023 5:29 pm
Right on
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Ethan Whitted 30/9/2023 5:32 pm
They've been around for a good long while and do a lot of stories on very similar stuff to what the study was covering (specifically "can the market support the preservation on its own"), plus their listener base covers a much wider range of people than the type who would have already picked up the study from typical gaming news outlets. I think they did an episode a while back on Brewster Kale's and libraries' fight for audio books with publishers.
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Jason Scott 30/9/2023 10:16 pm
Speaking of Melon Design
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Flash animation by Melon Dezign, 2000.Wikipedia: Melon DezignThe clip was created in 2000 by Melon Dezign for the launch of thebeatles.com and the original...
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Flash animation by Melon Dezign, 1998.Wikipedia: Melon DezignThe clip was created in 2000 by Melon Dezign for the launch of thebeatles.com and the original...
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Melon gettin' PAID
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Least Weasel 2/10/2023 6:05 pm
... I have to vent about a thing at work that immediately reminded me of here.
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The deal has closed and the merger is complete -- which means we have at best 6 months to a year of access to the old database of patient files before it's gone.
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So -- hey, lessons of preservation I've gained from osmosis here.
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Except this is patient data we're talking about -- and there is no good way for .. and this is what blows my mind, the same electronic medical record system ... to port the data from one account to another.
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This is the equivalent to losing every game you purchased on the eShop because you had to make a new account.
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So we the office staff and practitioners are having to manually copy over files from 30k worth of patients by picking and choosing which ones are likely to call again and which ones are't.
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Welcome to medicine in America.
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Frank Cifaldi 2/10/2023 6:17 pm
oh god that sucks
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it's american medicine and digital preservation woes at the same time, the ultimate nightmare
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Least Weasel 2/10/2023 6:42 pm
The thing that really gets me is my boss has no idea what the actual timeline is. He hopes it could be six months. It might be toast by the end of this month.
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I want to know how Jirard got through the eShop with his sanity intact. I need whatever method he used to destress.
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Frank Cifaldi 2/10/2023 6:42 pm
oh he did that by paying people to do it
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hope that helps lol
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Least Weasel 2/10/2023 6:43 pm
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I mentioned this is American healthcare, right?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 2/10/2023 7:05 pm
oh yeah, the ultimate singularity of "i can't pay you, buuuut..."
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having to convert the database is bad enough without having to also trip over all of the potential HIPPA violations
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So we the office staff and practitioners are having to manually copy over files from 30k worth of patients by picking and choosing which ones are likely to call again and which ones are't.
Michael Berry 2/10/2023 8:16 pm
Wow! That is wild. Sorry to hear that. The world is unnecessarily obtuse
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Least Weasel 2/10/2023 8:19 pm
No HIPPA violations to worry about at least. I'm the same practitioner that was treating under the old system as the new. It really is like getting a new Xbox ID and having to buy your old games back
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This feels like the exact scenario that I would spend every waking hour finding a way with a python script. Even if it had to emulate keystrokes and mouse inputs.
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Though obviously I don't know the inner challenges.
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Frank Cifaldi 3/10/2023 5:59 pm
I put the full name "Video Game History Foundation" in our ebay shipping address and sometimes people get so excited that they throw in extra goodies, today someone refunded an entire $300 order and sent it for free
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Ethan Whitted 3/10/2023 5:59 pm
Wow, that's awesome!!
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Nate Lockhart 3/10/2023 5:59 pm
That's wonderful!
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That's the kind of act of kindness that'll make your whole week
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Frank Cifaldi 3/10/2023 6:01 pm
it's a bunch of magazines we're blind-boxing so it actually ends up being like a $2,000 donation
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Nate Lockhart 3/10/2023 6:02 pm
You gonna send them a lil something as a thank you?
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Frank Cifaldi 3/10/2023 6:03 pm
maybe I should
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Wah, that's so nice
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/10/2023 6:15 pm
(Presumably not a magazine)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/10/2023 6:32 pm
Guys I'm still convinced Phantom can make it
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"It has been rumored that Phantom can play any game on any platform" only space for 280 words, but you still slipped this in.
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lol i knew Dominic Milano, he went on to write a bunch for DIGITAL VIDEO MAGAZINE
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"vaporous nature"
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Kate Willært 4/10/2023 11:21 pm
Is anyone else experiencing like 1/4 of the pages on the Internet Archive suddenly telling you "The file you have selected is large. Do you wish to download and view it?" instead of letting you view like normal?
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Frank Cifaldi 4/10/2023 11:22 pm
not personally but I'm not in research mode
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Kate Willært 4/10/2023 11:22 pm
There are people who leave research mode?
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Frank Cifaldi 4/10/2023 11:25 pm
I left it seven years ago to start this thing that helps other people in research mode, I probably have some kind of martyr complex
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Kate Willært 4/10/2023 11:25 pm
Heh
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After this is done, they should donate the server code somewhere
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuzYmLdsP0 I feel even if folks here don't care about the topic itself, you'll love the rabbit hole they go down researching it.
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 5/10/2023 4:06 am
Okay, so. Frank, Kelsey, my brain is exploding slightly. Bear with me -- this story's a little long but I think the payoff will be worth it. I'm doing dishes just now and listening to episode #31 of the VGHF podcast, the one about Spacewar!. I'm listening to Alex talk about the original MIT hackers and I'm just having a blast because I love this part of computing history. Frank starts talking about how at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, they used to do demos of Spacewar! in the afternoons, and I'm grinning like an idiot because I got to do this too! Rewinding for a second -- this was a while back -- my wife took me there for my 35th birthday and I got to meet Peter freaking Samson (one of the original MIT hackers, he wrote Harmony Compiler for the PDP-1) and I was basically having a total fanboy meltdown because I didn't know he was going to be there -- I only recognized him because of the stories he was telling about the software he wrote for the PDP-1. So I quietly sneak up and ask the docent who was there "I'm sorry, this is weird, but is that Peter Samson", and he goes "oh yeah, dude", and we start totally nerding out about it together and like a loon I run to the gift shop and buy another copy of "Hackers", and I go up after the presentation and talk to Peter for a little bit. He's very befuddled that I even care, but he signs my copy anyway and because the guy running the exhibit and I were having such a great time nerding out about Peter, I asked him to sign my copy as well, which he gladly did. We talked a bit more, and then I left. Great day. Back to just now, I hear Frank say a name in his story about the museum. My eyes go wide. I am retroactively embarrassed and elated...
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...and this is why.
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Frank Cifaldi 5/10/2023 4:09 am
Hahaha! You met Slug and didn't realize it
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuzYmLdsP0 I feel even if folks here don't care about the topic itself, you'll love the rabbit hole they go down researching it.
Frank Cifaldi 5/10/2023 4:10 am
I just finished this, and relate to it hard. It's interesting to me thinking about how there really couldn't have been a satisfying ending to this, it was always going to be more interesting as an introspective journey
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Hahaha! You met Slug and didn't realize it
Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 5/10/2023 4:12 am
I KNOW! I now feel like I have to write him and share the story.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/10/2023 4:22 am
Slug’s great, I ran into him at the spacewar reunion after their big talk and he was very charming
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Tony "Plongitudes" Etienne 5/10/2023 4:25 am
That tracks with what I remember. He was like "I can't believe that I get to hang out with these guys all day!"
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Granted, that was over a decade ago
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I just finished this, and relate to it hard. It's interesting to me thinking about how there really couldn't have been a satisfying ending to this, it was always going to be more interesting as an introspective journey
As someone whom has gone down the rabbit hole searching old internet forums for random pieces of information, I felt that guy's pain. 🤣 I think with soft-walled social media and apps like Discord killing internet forums, in 10-15 years, doing that kind of research is going to be nigh-impossible.
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Same for internal documentation in companies. Slack is killing me
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since the preview didn't work for some reason
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Best of luck with whatever is next Kelsey!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/10/2023 7:18 pm
All the best, Kelsey.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/10/2023 7:19 pm
she's done good
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quitter! 🙂
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/10/2023 7:25 pm
still gotta make a point of visiting the pink gorilla flagship store some time
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❤️ thanks everyone. I’ve enjoyed the work I’ve done here immensely
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/10/2023 7:26 pm
your time with the VGHF has been immensely educational, i think i know more about the wonderswan thanks to you and your talks than i've ever learned from any other source
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 5/10/2023 7:32 pm
And thanks so much for all the individuals you've helped along the way, me included!
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Dylan Mansfield 5/10/2023 7:42 pm
Best of luck in your future endeavours Kelsey!!
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Best of luck in whatever comes next!
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Incredible work, Kelsey, and best wishes for the future!
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Least Weasel 6/10/2023 12:03 am
You're not leaving leaving, tho ... right?
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All the best for the future @kelslewin
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Ethan Whitted 6/10/2023 3:12 am
Wow, can't believe it!! Good luck with whatever is next, Kelsey!
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Wietse van Bruggen 6/10/2023 8:03 am
Thanks for all you’ve done @kelslewin, and good luck on whatever the future brings you!
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Thanks everyone! I’ll still be around 🙂
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Nate Lockhart 6/10/2023 5:24 pm
Good!
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Frank Cifaldi 7/10/2023 5:05 pm
Idk about GameStop now having branded advertorial, does not bode well for the magazine they own
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We've republished these U.S. print ads for PS2 horse racing sim Gallop Racer 2004 before - this is one of the more, uhh, outlandish? [Ad scan via the VGHF Library.]
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Frank Cifaldi 8/10/2023 4:10 pm
You've got a pretty good eye for this lol
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https://cohost.org/PhormTheGenie/post/3112265-because-when-it-s-go this showed up on my cohost feed, feels appropriate to link in here
This is a bit of a swerve for me, but I hope it's okay if I talk about something that's rather afield of my normal discussions. I've got some ideas pinging around in my head, and this is just the easiest way to get them out. It has a lot do with media preservation, despite first glances. Let's go back to around 2017, specifically in the arena o...
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rotoscoped running animation
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drawn from the recorded video before doing the graphics from it (edited)
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Least Weasel 9/10/2023 2:01 pm
Mmmmmm rotoscoping
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Frank Cifaldi 9/10/2023 10:14 pm
We're gonna have the weird dental camera that used the Atari Jaguar shell fully functioning at PRGE next week, sorry for all those who can't make it
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I'm gonna print pictures of my teeth
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/10/2023 10:17 pm
focusing all of my willpower on not having a cold 4 days from now
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I think I'd rather play a jaguar game. It's going to look better than my teeth
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/10/2023 10:17 pm
i have got to see the dental imaging jaguar
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i will take a selfie with it
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i will make it wear a hat
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Frank Cifaldi
I'm gonna print pictures of my teeth
Ethan Whitted 9/10/2023 10:18 pm
I am livid that I'm missing this 😫
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print it out with the gameboy camera
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:13 am
damn that's a great idea, bring my own gbc and camera
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:13 am
we have a game boy camera photo booth
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:13 am
you do! i remember buying a print last year
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:14 am
I'm pretty excited because I think I've refined it significantly
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:14 am
and to great credit that print is surviving a lot nicer than any contemporary one i ever saw
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:16 am
Our selfie with Pajitnov stares at me daily
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 12:17 am
That’s a good desk photo to have
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:18 am
Also @Kate Willært's physical NFT
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:24 am
hmm... free hot breakfast
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Frank Cifaldi
Also @Kate Willært's physical NFT
Least Weasel 10/10/2023 12:25 am
Is that a sarcastic way of saying "art"? 😆
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:25 am
waffles and coffee actually doesn't sound half bad right now (says he who is presently eating chicken pot pie)
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:25 am
she sold this on ebay as a physical nft of a wata graded game and I won the auction
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that's a hotel key from our big game informer trip in 2019
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:26 am
wata-kun looks quite a lot less miserable than any of those apes do mrgreen
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 12:28 am
My desk just has weird shit on it that I didn’t want to set up at home, like a Qbert pop
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 12:29 am
yeah I like to surround this space with the people and times that made me happy on the job
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 12:30 am
i don't have a whole ton of Decorations at my desk(s) but i do have a "Solitaire!" logo that came out of an LCD game blister pack and the McDonald's chicken nugget Tetris game
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my high score on the latter is 590 if anybody else has it and wants to one-up me
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Frank Cifaldi
yeah I like to surround this space with the people and times that made me happy on the job
izzy (she/her) 10/10/2023 12:54 am
there's a photo of me and frank kissing the lifesize gex statue just to the right
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a special moment we shared together
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 12:55 am
Eventually I'll do something worth remembering. Until that day, I stand vigilant,
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
wata-kun looks quite a lot less miserable than any of those apes do mrgreen
Kate Willært 10/10/2023 1:28 am
I guess that’s what it’s called now
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 2:24 am
gotta create some memories to get this baby up there
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 6:50 am
This is so cool, I know exactly what frames these are
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 4:27 pm
vghf made it into my partner's alt-weekly
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Nostalgia isn’t the only reason to play old games. There's also the satisfaction that comes from shooting meticulously animated low-poly cyber dragons. Here's what we think you should look for at the 2023 Portland Retro Gaming Expo. Portland Retro Gaming Expo is one of the most approachable cons in town, thanks in part to how much there is to a...
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please ignore brian the unipiper
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Jeremy Seith
please ignore brian the unipiper
I will not
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/10/2023 4:36 pm
it takes effort to ignore the unipiper
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much like you can't be on the vendor floor without being able to hear Tim "KABOOOM!" Kitzrow from 5 tables away mrgreen
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 4:44 pm
oh i just meant the thumbnail
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simply too ZaNy to bear witness
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PRGE auction update: We heard your feedback on last year's auction - so this year we will be back to the classic "LIVE in the room" format, with items being auctioned off in front of the audience.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 5:00 pm
Yeah it might actually be fun
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 5:51 pm
Good sentence in that article
Time being the relentless river that it is, pretty much anything you’ve ever liked will become “retro” before you’re ready for it to be.
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We got a BIG NAME
In terms of panels, there’s a strong focus on game preservation, physical media, and critical reevaluations of old works, which may come across as dry or insider baseball-y to the uninitiated. But there are some big names in that world in attendance, including Frank Cifaldi, founder of the Video Game History Foundation.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:01 pm
Not as big as Forthright Cifaldi though.
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:14 pm
I enjoy being the only name here lol
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Stroke that ego let's go
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 6:15 pm
call me when ya get otter.ai legend Frank Siffalni
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:15 pm
Oh that's a pretty good AI attempt
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 6:16 pm
sometimes it picks up on the C!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 6:16 pm
eat it Adam Koralik
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who I only know because Phil looked up who he was
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:17 pm
Oh I know him, he goes to every show and brings unreleased hardware
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He's contributing a terrible prototype Jaguar controller from Poland to the museum
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:17 pm
A what now
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:18 pm
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Apparently it only registers one button at a time
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ooomerang
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3 os for 3 buttons
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:18 pm
Okay so it wasn't meant to be the original Jag controller but rather an alternative JAg controller
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:18 pm
Yeah a third party Jag controller
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I'm guessing it's an off the shelf Genesis controller but who knows
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:19 pm
I used to check out a retro spot that Adam often went to. Never ran into him
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:19 pm
Oh right he lives in the Chicago area
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 6:28 pm
The Jaguar dental camera is functioning and will be set up with a CRT and a video printer
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Atari is back, come print your teeth
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Dylan Mansfield 10/10/2023 6:31 pm
I knew this fact for years but never questioned what it was actually used for
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very nice
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:37 pm
I remember somebody on Youtube actually talked to the company who got the mold.
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Frank Cifaldi
Atari is back, come print your teeth
Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 6:42 pm
What if every sign in the museum is like this
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Atari is back, come print your teeth Atari is back, come play a game
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Atari is back, the only growth metric that can describe the NFT market is infinite
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Jeremy Seith 10/10/2023 6:53 pm
Atari is back, with a $2k dental insurance deductible
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 6:59 pm
Atari is back, flossing isn't just for Fortnite
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RichWhitehouse 10/10/2023 8:47 pm
So that's how they acquired Nightdive
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 9:58 pm
ok I am now able to reveal the nature of the Snuggle Tents that we will be hosting this weekend https://t.co/r6hxghz5wk
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RichWhitehouse 10/10/2023 10:01 pm
I have cat allergies, but I'm probably going to risk it
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 10:02 pm
they're sequestered to one side area and it's 11-3
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wait are you risking snuggles?
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RichWhitehouse 10/10/2023 10:02 pm
Yeah, I meant risking the actual snuggling
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 10:02 pm
hahaha
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yolo dude
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RichWhitehouse 10/10/2023 10:02 pm
Indeed
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 10:03 pm
When will we get tiny bobcats?
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 10:03 pm
I haven't figured out how to do teeth photos, we can absolutely print photos of your teeth with the hotrod, it's all set up
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 10:03 pm
A bobcat snuggle tent sounds dangerous
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 10:03 pm
but is it a thing I charge for? do I get all the famous guests to take photos of teeth?
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do I auction those photos?
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 10:05 pm
Oh my god
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/10/2023 10:06 pm
I mean presumably it can do non-teeth photos too right?
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btw if people going to PRGE (cc @Steve Lin etc) can get good pics of the exhibit, would love to 'social media' them.
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 10:07 pm
I would absolutely pay $1 for a picture of Howard Scott Warshaw's teeth autographed by Howard Scott Warshaw
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 10:19 pm
What about a picture of warshaw’s teeth signed by Mike Mika
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 10:21 pm
"That is a rare photo of Howard Scott Warshaw's teeth signed by Tod Frye, it is worth one hundred and fifty dollars."
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 10:22 pm
Phil gets it
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I almost made the Frye joke but then I figured Mika would be more appropriate since he wrote the game boy Yars game
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 11:00 pm
V weird press release trying to rebrand the Jaguar as the Jaguar 64 (probably terrified by the U64)
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Did this ever stick anywhere in their marketing?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 11:02 pm
Ultra Vortek sighting
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Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 11:02 pm
playable in the museum
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it's one of our six kiosks, it's that good
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(it's just the easiest to do controls for)
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this one is like Russian Roulette but the chamber is full
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Jeremy Seith
please ignore brian the unipiper
Ethan Whitted 10/10/2023 11:07 pm
Agreed with others, never ignore the unipiper.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History)
Not as big as Forthright Cifaldi though.
Ethan Whitted 10/10/2023 11:07 pm
Lol "Forthright Cifaldi? 😄
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Frank Cifaldi
this one is like Russian Roulette but the chamber is full
Ethan Whitted 10/10/2023 11:08 pm
What's the exception for the (almost) here?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 11:09 pm
I actually think ultra Vortek is pretty good for the time as long as you put in the code for turbo speed
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It is at the least by far the best fighting game on the Jaguar
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What's the exception for the (almost) here?
Frank Cifaldi 10/10/2023 11:20 pm
just covering my bases, doesn't have a lot of modern st ports and homebrew and stuff
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 10/10/2023 11:42 pm
No dizzy for Phil basically
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Phil Salvador 10/10/2023 11:48 pm
Frank is gonna set me up a Dizzy-only station
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It still has the randomizer but the only game on there is Dizzy
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Spin the wheel Jaguar games is a really good setup
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Frank Cifaldi 11/10/2023 2:30 am
Good god
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 11/10/2023 2:34 am
I’m not surprised to see this after watching the hbomberguy video, as that had tons of examples of Tallerico repeating his “jokes” over and over again, but this supercut just shows how awful he is and … yikes! lsrYikes
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Nate Lockhart 11/10/2023 2:34 am
His Mom must be very proud
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i like the ones where you can tell he jumped the gun a little early
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I will admit to having a mental autopilot script for some stuff though
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His consistency is wacky though. The mother must be proud one specifically.
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Phil Salvador 11/10/2023 3:28 am
Yeah, if I'm giving the same talk 5 times, I'll repeat some things verbatim that worked well, but in that case almost feels more like standup comedy or something where you've figured out the rhythm and patter that plays well (edited)
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But that video is a lot haha (edited)
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Jumpscare of Tommy Tallarico at MAGFest at 0:23 (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 11/10/2023 3:37 am
I like the one where he did it even though the person didn't say his name
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Frank Cifaldi
this one is like Russian Roulette but the chamber is full
Dylan Mansfield 11/10/2023 3:51 am
Hoping Speedster II is in here for some GA rep actually
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Jeremy Seith 11/10/2023 3:33 pm
what's the typical vghf typeface?
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(s)
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Frank Cifaldi 11/10/2023 3:34 pm
Like on the website? GT America, variant depends on context
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Condensed bold for logo, mono for captions, etc
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Jeremy Seith 11/10/2023 3:35 pm
so mono for smaller physical type?
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Frank Cifaldi 11/10/2023 3:35 pm
I think only for photo captions so far
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Jeremy Seith 11/10/2023 3:36 pm
mm okay. thanks!
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https://x.com/misterfpga_news/status/1712406517658403227?s=46&t=aXTa8C_4GkMQtI3FZPEk8Q saw this, not sure exactly what that means. Is it a 1.0 release? Is it on the public core list?
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Frank Cifaldi 12/10/2023 2:10 pm
I want to know that too!
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Matt Clawson 12/10/2023 2:23 pm
it gets pulled in by the update_all script! i'm not sure if Mister really follows any sort of release numbering convention. if you defined 1.0 as runs a majority of games with great compatibility i'd say then it's more of a WIP. lots of games have sound issues according to the readme
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apparently great strides have been made in the past few months to improve things. i haven't been able to really give it a fair shake since none of my Misters have dual SD RAM. i think i have the parts for one spare module somewhere in my parts bin. (edited)
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Gotta play some Sonic Jam/Guardian Heroes.
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Every now and then, especially around this time, I just like to switch on Sonic Jam and wander around Sonic World and go "This is nice..."
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Pat, now adorably all digital 12/10/2023 8:24 pm
What’s the single best thing I can do to help video games preservation? (aside from financial support, which I just signed up for! 🎉)
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Phil Salvador 12/10/2023 8:29 pm
Hello!!
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The answer I've been giving is: it's great for people to try documenting and preserving things from their own communities and spaces. The stuff that's most as risk is like... rather than retail video games, it's things like gaming community history, small developers, things where you might know people who participate
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That's gonna be different for everybody, but it could be something as simple as doing an oral history with your guild, or finding a local developer who might have held onto their paperwork and source code
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Pat, now adorably all digital 12/10/2023 8:34 pm
Awesome! Thank you so much for that.
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The answer I've been giving is: it's great for people to try documenting and preserving things from their own communities and spaces. The stuff that's most as risk is like... rather than retail video games, it's things like gaming community history, small developers, things where you might know people who participate
If I had kept a local copy of every forum I was on in the early 00s I would have the exact post, or the IRC log, where someone first coined Metroidvania.
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this is my 12 monkeys
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/10/2023 8:58 pm
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/10/2023 9:19 pm
I really wish I would have grabbed copies of the local fgc tapes that guys in the Detroit scene were selling
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Frank Cifaldi 13/10/2023 5:15 am
WIP
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Phil Salvador 13/10/2023 5:21 am
HE DID IT
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Is this of interest to the foundation or anyone? I work in the evil world of investments and research houses creates research reports that is provided to the likes of me. This one in particular was written by noted games consultant Serkan Toto. It’s from 2016 and contains commentary on the mobile gaming market and particularly Nintendo’s effort there. It’s a different perspective from what is written purely in news articles and not generally available
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That's a super interesting find! Might wanna cross-post that to #vghf_library but also the people who can see it there will also probably be able to see it here
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 13/10/2023 5:21 pm
GL with the expo this weekend!!
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Hello everyone
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Phil Salvador 13/10/2023 5:32 pm
Lots of new folks here, hello!
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I'm not new here, just haven't been active in awhile
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Good luck @Frank Cifaldi et al with the expo! Sorry I couldn’t make it this year, post pictures! Say hi to the insert credit dirtbags for me bubsy
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Some day I'll go to the portland retro games expo...
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Maybe that day will be same time next year :V
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Phil Salvador 13/10/2023 11:45 pm
Via Facebook: the PRGE tooth horror machine is assembled
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 14/10/2023 12:06 am
The best application of the Jaguar (mold)? lsrTeehee
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was the cart slot used for anything?
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Jeremy Seith 14/10/2023 12:35 am
there should really be a strip of the jag eyes between the pvm and the hotrod placard
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/10/2023 12:46 am
By the way if people haven't seen the video that explains all this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9APovyGdkhs (edited)
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Good luck with PRGE! I got sick this week, so not able to make it. Only the second PRGE I’ve missed, the other was the birth of my son so I guess that was a decent reason 😂
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CoffeeJones 14/10/2023 4:40 am
Passed Chris Kolher and Jeremy Parish in the hallways of PRGE. "Hey I'm the dork that what makes the comments on your patreon!"turtlepower I turned up at PRGE thinking the vendor room would be open, but it's just the arcade floor - and despite not having been since 2019 it's a lot of what I already know. Little bit of a wash today - I could have turned up on saturday morning without having missed too much. At Powells - "I haven't been here in years, didn't you used to have a technical books section apart from the main one?" "We had one but that was years ago." "Well that explains it..." (edited)
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wizardofvideogames 14/10/2023 5:15 am
pre-PRGE hanging at My Father’s Place where I had chicken fried steak breakfast last year. I didn’t even notice the arcade in the back! I wonder if I’ll eat another Chicken Fried Steak? (Probably)
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Phil Salvador 14/10/2023 5:39 am
One year I'll make it out!
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CoffeeJones 14/10/2023 6:28 am
When looking at a massive vendor hall it's nice to have a quest - friend of mine has had me looking for Zelda Link To The Past SFC 1.0 cartridges - Buggier initial release, speedrunners delight. Another friend wants to collect every commercial version of Doom or Quake - and the low hanging fruit has been picked years ago. And 3do and Saturn stuff is ah... not common. Another friend just wants cute creative merch. ... and I'm not going to start looking at PVMs or Arcade PCBs because that way lies certain madness. Fun thing - this older ep of the podcast with Garry Kitchen and Donkey kong has relevance to the talk about 2600 homebrew he's giving this saturday. https://gamehistory.org/ep-7-donkey-kong-came-to-the-atari-2600-thanks-to-garry-kitchen/ Here's Kitchen's donkey kong in 4kb of "why should we spend more?" ROM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Py4AEKTi4A and - homebrew which is god only knows what in the board https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6vhLDN3dI (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/10/2023 6:29 am
Heh. My Quest, almost every year, has been "find cheap weird old golf games"
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I've gotten some magnificent crap every year
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CIB 3DO versions of almost every True Golf Classics game, Wicked 18 in particular in the tall box
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Even if I'm not setting out to get anything specific, though, there's always some wonderful things
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last year one of the booths had repurposed an authentic Japanese gachapon machine by filling the bubbles with loose Nintendo DS game cards
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think they were charging $5 a pull, and I came home with copies of Big Brain Academy and Metroid Prime Pinball for my trouble
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i think it was 2019 when somebody had a complete-in-big-box Prime Target for Power Macintosh, that'd been at the back of my want list for years and I never expected to just find it
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i also had a mental tally going for copies of Top Gun on NES but I think that schtick's a bit worn out so I might pick a different target this year
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maybe copies of Vegas Dream
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because that one always seems weirdly common
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wizardofvideogames 14/10/2023 6:36 am
Top Gun 2, tho…
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/10/2023 6:37 am
I think I'd previously ruled that 2 was also fair game, but last year I kept spotting the PS2 game, and then I found This thing
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so I think the jig's up at this point
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CoffeeJones 14/10/2023 6:58 am
just more random pics from portland of yesteryear (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/10/2023 7:00 am
i think the funniest thing i've taken home fromm one of these was this one game table that kept slipping Jesus merch into my tote bag while I was trying to pay for a copy of Lode Runner The Legend Returns
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it's a tiny 50-some page novella called Jesus, For The Win that frames the Gospels as Jesus organizing an MMO guild
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I did end up buying one actually Bible related game from them though
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Scripture Solitaire
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The one PRGE I attended was 2019, which was the year when David Crane and the Kitchen bros. were there for a talk and signing. I had to scramble in the vendors hall to find a good cart of Bart vs. the Space Mutants so all three could sign it
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Suffice to say it's not an item people bring to them often (ever?)
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Year of the Nintendo counselors' display I believe... And Game Boy? Or maybe all Nintendo. There was a sweet Game Boy camera setup is what I remember
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Frank Cifaldi 14/10/2023 3:06 pm
It's way better this year, the camera
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Wisdom tree games feel like they were cobbled together by combining loosely related mini games. Like those commercially sold cdroms claiming to be a game pack but were really just shareware collections in the 90s.
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 14/10/2023 6:15 pm
You need to acquaint with early 80s arcade games to see where that comes from 😉
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/10/2023 6:23 pm
i wonder, was Michael Denio still working at Color Dreams when they pivoted to Wisdom Tree
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it doesn't appear he's been credited for anything past Captain Comic
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Phil Salvador 14/10/2023 11:44 pm
God I love their little jaguar bandanas (edited)
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wizardofvideogames 14/10/2023 11:52 pm
Everyone, I met that guy from the Super Mario movie.
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Chris Pratt?
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CoffeeJones 16/10/2023 3:20 am
The Future click here to insert text Oh man was that intentional? That's poetic and hilarious. The future is (literally) not yet been written.
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Frank Cifaldi 16/10/2023 5:29 am
Oh yeah that slide was intentional
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wizardofvideogames 16/10/2023 6:17 am
So, I took about a hundred pictures of the museum, the panel and the kittens, which I will pass along to Frank at some point. In the meantime, here’s a preview to get you warmed up. Rawr.
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nice!!
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Aah, really good wide shot
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is that the Coleco Chameleon mockup I see in the case on the far right?
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Frank Cifaldi 16/10/2023 7:56 pm
Yeah
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I made this, it's a fake of the fake
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So, I took about a hundred pictures of the museum, the panel and the kittens, which I will pass along to Frank at some point. In the meantime, here’s a preview to get you warmed up. Rawr.
Frank Cifaldi 16/10/2023 8:07 pm
I'm a jaguar
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Double fake cancels out so its real to me, baby
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do the math
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jeremyparish 16/10/2023 8:26 pm
32-32=64
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Yeah
hah that looks great
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Ethan Whitted 17/10/2023 11:41 am
Love the setup!
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So who took the best teeth picture of the weekend?
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Jeremy Seith 17/10/2023 9:47 pm
verge covered prge. no mention of the museum but they did link the study again at the end :3 https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/16/23919382/portland-retro-gaming-expo-2023-celebration-older-games
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 17/10/2023 9:59 pm
I've lived in Oregon my whole life, and in PDX for all but three years of that. First time going to PRGE.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 17/10/2023 10:50 pm
Happy to hear the kids liked Ultra Vortek
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Frank Cifaldi 17/10/2023 11:13 pm
They were SCREAMING
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Jeremy Seith 18/10/2023 1:12 am
it was the best of times, it was Annihilation Time (edited)
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Miss Scarlet Tanager
I've lived in Oregon my whole life, and in PDX for all but three years of that. First time going to PRGE.
Phil Salvador 18/10/2023 2:16 am
This is unrelated to anything but scarlet tanagers are great birds
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This is unrelated to anything but scarlet tanagers are great birds
Miss Scarlet Tanager 18/10/2023 2:31 am
That they are. My irl name is Scarlet, hence the username.
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Miss Scarlet Tanager
I've lived in Oregon my whole life, and in PDX for all but three years of that. First time going to PRGE.
Jeremy Seith 18/10/2023 4:36 am
lol i skipped it every year until i started listening to retronauts and IC over covid and it kept coming up
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Miss Scarlet Tanager
I've lived in Oregon my whole life, and in PDX for all but three years of that. First time going to PRGE.
Ethan Whitted 18/10/2023 3:46 pm
Welcome to the cult.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 18/10/2023 11:31 pm
Attached: 4 images Today is a huge day for Apple II software preservation. With the help of Antoine Vignau and @txgx42, we have managed to recover, make playable, and archive renowned game designer Dani Bunten's first game, Wheeler Dealers. Released in 1978/79 and published by Speakeasy Software, a small Canadian developer, Wheeler Dealers is a...
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It is the first (known) computer game to have been sold in a box. The game was considered lost until now.
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Phil Salvador 18/10/2023 11:33 pm
Whoa!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/10/2023 11:34 pm
Oh hell yeah
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Someone tell whit pow
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Awesome, beat us to it
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Lost might be a bit strong but awesome nonetheless!
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GO STRONG OR GO HOME
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Frank Cifaldi 19/10/2023 12:28 am
Oh yeah this was on eBay, glad it went to the right home!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/10/2023 1:35 am
Wasn't exactly lost, the Strong had a copy. But not preserved.
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 4:14 am
I got my disc drive issue fixed, and DiscImageCreator is working properly in MPF, and my MD5 checksums match. After hours of troubleshooting. 😭
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I can now dump discs properly on my drive!
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 4:23 am
Turns out the problem was that I needed to finagle my ODD's firmware (running an Asus blu-ray drive), then run an extra parameter (/mr 50) and it finally read the lead-on, which was the problem.
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My brain may be mush, but by the Gods will my discs be properly dumped! xD
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:38 am
Well. This is a horrifying fact; only 12.0% of the NTSC-U PS1 library is on the PS3/Vita store and only 1.3% of it is on the PS4/PS5 library. (I just finished charting all that data in my PS1 spreadsheet).
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:41 am
YEP that sounds right 😬
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Also the fact that the PS3/Vita stores are functionally inaccessible now
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:42 am
Well, a massive pain in the ass, but not entirely inaccessible.
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I've gotten decent at navigating it still, cause I need to for some speed-games I do (Haunting Ground, one of the BIG THREE rare games on the PS2, has a digital version... specific to only the Japanese PS3 store)
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:43 am
The issue we discovered with our study is that whenever Sony enabled 2FA for accounts, it seriously broke the PS3 and Vita stores for people who aren't already signed in
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For new accounts/sign-ins, it spits back an error that the store is down for maintenance
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:44 am
Really? When was that, abouts?
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:44 am
Can't remember off-hand but we wrote a section about it in the big report we published this summer about game availability
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:44 am
I should go read the whole report, not just the cliff-notes version xD
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:44 am
The workaround seems to be that you have to log in, and then change your 2FA settings on your account, I think? Sony has not acknowledged the problem, we just found random Reddit posts about it
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Oh yeah it's super detailed if you're interesting in the out-of-print numbers
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We shared this with some copyright lawyers for their take, and one of them said "If they only way to legally acquire a game is with a Reddit workaround, it's not 'reasonably available'"
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:45 am
Something like that; we have a tutorial at the Haunting Ground speedrunning community for getting around the wtf-ery
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Since we have the added headache of having to purchase yen cards off sites like Play Asia to get money on the JPN PSN account xD
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:46 am
Lorddd
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:46 am
My poor PS3 store loses it's shit sometimes when I have to switch between my US and JPN accounts
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I've had my US PS3 store showing kanji and hiragana in the sidebars before xD
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:47 am
The online services for that thing are decaying, it's only a matter of time before they shut it down
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Okay yeah I checked, there is a 600-word section in the report titled "Service Degradation of PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita Storefronts"
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:48 am
Yuuuuup. And it's sad. I'm trying to work to preserve what I can, cause there's some stuff that's specific to only the PS3 store. Example: there is a version of RE: Code Veronica X that is distinct. It's a proper HD Remaster, changed graphics and lighting and all. The PS4 and PS5 ports are straight emulated PS2 versions.
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:49 am
Noooo
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:49 am
Excellent. I'll make sure to check it out. I should also get around to doing that video tutorial I thought of doing a ways back on it...
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 6:49 am
Does this explanation sound right? From the report
The PS3 and Vita stores are a major source of game reissues. According to lists compiled by fans, between both platforms, a total of 266 PlayStation 1 games, 104 PlayStation 2 games, and around 304 PlayStation Portable (PSP) games were made available in North America as of April 2023, in addition to remastered versions of individual titles, such as God of War II HD and Killzone HD on the PS3. In response to public outcry, Sony committed to keeping the PS3 and Vita storefronts open indefinitely in 2021. However, the Video Game History Foundation staff and volunteers found that we could not access the stores using a new PlayStation Network (PSN) account, which instead returned an error message. According to posts on Reddit discussion groups for PlayStation users, the issue appears to be related to new security measures enabled for PSN accounts starting in 2016, which are not supported on the PS3 or Vita. As a result, the platforms have been experiencing prolonged network issues. We discussed these issues with Video Game History Foundation community members, who noted that this problem has been ongoing for months or perhaps years, with no sign that these aging legacy PSN services will be (or can be) updated to resolve it. While Sony has not acknowledged these network issues, we consider the widespread experiences of players to be valuable and trustworthy for understanding this situation. Sony does not offer a solution to this problem or inform users that their security settings may affect access to network services. We were only able to access the PS3 and Vita stores by using a workaround recommended by Reddit users. Effectively, it is only possible to access the stores by relying on unofficial community support. This is a significant barrier for new and non-technical users.
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:53 am
I believe both my PS3 PSN accounts are newer than 2016, especially the JPN one, and yeah... it was a pain in the ass to get set up. But now, once it was, the only pain is filling the wallet on the Japanese side.
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And it's gotten worse, methinks, or it's the "giving companies all the credit in the world" take of the study. Cause it's more like 170 PS1 games between the two stores. According to the count I just did (though tbf, I need to double check the Vita store for anything it has that the PS3 is missing.)
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'Cause my data-crunching, spreadsheet-loving self made a sheet of every single NTSC-U release and just finished cross-referencing the entire PS3 store, checking off PS1 games as I went xD
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Phil Salvador 19/10/2023 7:22 am
Yeah to be fair I referenced the Wikipedia lists for that, I could have miscounted or included games that are either no longer on the store or are for a different region
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I think I also referenced a forum that was trying to gather that information? Can't recall
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 7:26 am
There's also, strangely, a dozen or so un-translated Japanese titles on the US store. Their descriptions even come with warnings that the games are in Japanese, and sometimes links or directions to guides to help you get through the games.
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Yeah, there was I think one publisher putting those out, a Piko-like guy
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picked up some very cheap publishing rights in a bundle and figured it was free money
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 7:29 am
proverbial "Doin' the Lord's work"
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it's too bad the vaccum cleaner scrolling shooter got delisted
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that game was great
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 7:31 am
90s Japanese PlayStation games were just... built different. 🤣
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There was also a PAL PS1 Mickey Mouse game that they were one day away from releasing, before someone reminded them "People do still play PS3s on SD TVs, you can't let them try to send a PAL signal to an NTSC TV"
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 7:32 am
LOL
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I once saw a video of someone using an OSSC (or was it the RetroTink?) to downgrade their PS4 4k signal to 240p and feeding that into a CRT, just to see what FF7 Remake would look like.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 19/10/2023 12:53 pm
They should have gone the next step and hooked it through RF to a black and white tv
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Finally got my extron—I think this one only does 480i, but I’m looking forward to similar crt shenanigans when I have some time to mess around with it
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
They should have gone the next step and hooked it through RF to a black and white tv
you joke but I think this would rule
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Finally got my extron—I think this one only does 480i, but I’m looking forward to similar crt shenanigans when I have some time to mess around with it
Frank Cifaldi 19/10/2023 2:49 pm
Just be warned that the color space is pretty limited (at least on my 240p-capable one) so you can't use it to watch TV shows etc
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Aw, lame, was hoping to try streaming plex etc
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I’ll see how it looks
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It’s sitting in my growing junk pile right now, still have to make sure that aftermarket ac adapter works
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It's wild how this game that didn't come out 24 years ago keeps coming up
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Densen was a game announced by SCEJ & led by Kiyoshi Sakai, creator of Umihara Kawase—it was being touted as a PS2 launch title & shown off via this footage at trade shows, demo discs etc but apparently never really existed beyond what footage they showed
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might be in the running for most influential unreleased game
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 19/10/2023 5:15 pm
Cabbage
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Frank Cifaldi 19/10/2023 5:48 pm
oh is this the girl on power lines game?
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oh duh it's in the text
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yeah that's kind of a holy grail for sure
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I forget, was it the Umihara guy that also made the Sonic fan game on the X68000 that was released publicly a few years ago?
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Ah, it is!
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yeah!
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 6:58 pm
Is there a known project for scanning game manuals and the like? I found a couple online, but they seem older.
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And/or not active
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Frank Cifaldi 19/10/2023 6:59 pm
@Hubz
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 7:00 pm
Also, those I did find seem to have woefully small PlayStation collections. XD Looks like I'll have to add manual scanning to my list of projects.
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Yeah I have been mainly focusing on Famicom/Super Famicom but do everything I come across - www.gamingalexandria.com
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there's also VGSC/VGPC scanning project -
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Yeah I have been mainly focusing on Famicom/Super Famicom but do everything I come across - www.gamingalexandria.com
Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 8:23 pm
Thanks. I want to get scans of my game's manuals as I dump their discs to keep in my archive. Was planning to look into getting all the manuals and inserts scanned, but figured that I could do that for the ones I can't already find the scans for.
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Frank Cifaldi 19/10/2023 8:24 pm
make sure you check out http://scanning.guide
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 8:25 pm
Yup yup. Figured my printer's scanner wouldn't cut it xD
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Kuon is one I'll need to scan myself. I've not found scans of the US copy of the game (did for Europe and Japan though).
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Kind of reminds me of those kids toys where you move shapes along wires
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Yeah printer/scanners introduce artifacts pretty bad for the most part unfortunately and can't capture depth well.
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Yeah printer/scanners introduce artifacts pretty bad for the most part unfortunately and can't capture depth well.
Pretty sure your talking combo units but any chance there is a recommended printer guide out there similar to the scanner guide?
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Question for anyone. I've been on the lookout for a good printer guide.
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Yeah printer/scanners introduce artifacts pretty bad for the most part unfortunately and can't capture depth well.
Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 9:20 pm
My plan for now is, if I can't find a high quality scan of my game as I dump them (like Kuon), I'm gonna mark that game in my collection spreadsheet as one to scan myself once I get something that can do the job properly.
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@SoH Not sure on that side of it unfortunately. Would be good for someone to dig into though for sure, bet some of that knowledge would go hand in hand with the scanning side.
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@Miss Scarlet Tanager Awesome, well if you ever have any questions feel free to DM me.
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My plan for now is, if I can't find a high quality scan of my game as I dump them (like Kuon), I'm gonna mark that game in my collection spreadsheet as one to scan myself once I get something that can do the job properly.
Jeremy Seith 19/10/2023 11:05 pm
i've got a v600 i could bring to work so you could mass scan for free on your time. you'd need your own computer and software but beyond that i'm happy to share. absolutely no pressure. (edited)
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 19/10/2023 11:33 pm
Thanks for the offer, but this'll be a "way out there, at some point in the future" thing xD For now, I'll just keep track of what in my collection hasn't been scanned.
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Way too early on to think that far ahead
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'The hottest 3D action since Wolfenstein'? Apparently that's Apogee's Blake Stone: Aliens Of Gold, courtesy of this 1994 U.S. print ad from the VGHF Library.
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lol i just noticed the 'PC-13' logo
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Haha, I think wolf 3D had that “rating” too
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Jeremy Seith 20/10/2023 6:55 pm
oh god have i been illicitly playing pc-88!? don't tell scott (edited)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 20/10/2023 7:17 pm
Heh. Profound Carnage
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and while you don't get to watch Hitler melt into a dense red paste, this game is still pretty bloody. heh
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it's a fine game all told, they just accidentally launched right before Doom did
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Frank Cifaldi 20/10/2023 8:23 pm
@Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch photo proof that kids love ultra vortek
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that's spiderman and pikachu
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Frank Cifaldi 20/10/2023 8:24 pm
vegeta's coming in ready to smash bros them too
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down in the hallway on the left
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Great photobomb there, yeah!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 20/10/2023 8:46 pm
incredible
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good work to Volcana
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lolll
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 21/10/2023 1:14 am
Just wanted to double-check that I'm reading the CD dumping guide right; deleting the .scm and .img files after dumping is fine, right? Cause they're just the .bin in a different format?
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(Asking to save HDD space down the line)
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Admiral Curtiss 21/10/2023 11:06 pm
.scm is the scrambled raw disc dump and .img is the unscrambled equivalent, IIRC
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.bin/.cue should have the same data as the .img (maybe more? subchannels on CDs are super weird so i'm not sure if the .img actually stores track information) (edited)
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Admiral Curtiss 21/10/2023 11:16 pm
okay yeah looks like .img contains exactly the same data as the .bins and does not contain the .cue info
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none of the mentioned formats actually stores the full subchannel info, which can be relevant for some copy-protected games
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Least Weasel 22/10/2023 12:09 am
I have discovered the collected soundtracks of the OutRun games are on Apple Music :3
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Now I just need a Sonic plushie to hang off my rear view mirror
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none of the mentioned formats actually stores the full subchannel info, which can be relevant for some copy-protected games
Miss Scarlet Tanager 22/10/2023 2:54 am
m'kay. I just wanted to make sure they were safe to delete, and just keep the .bin/.cue in my backups, since it causes any dump to be like... tripled in disc space xD;;
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I'm keeping the other files, like the .zip of logs that MPF makes and such
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i presume most people here are aware of wes fenlon's newsletter about emulation but here's latest issue, it VERY GOOD: https://www.readonlymemo.com/p/analogue-3d-hardware-emulation-no-open-fpga
Also in this issue: a lovely Fire Emblem fan event full of cool romhacks, and a photograph of a videogame cartridge I recently paid a man $50 for.
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(i don't care much about emu/ROM hacks compared to many, and even I read it religiously.)
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Phil Salvador 22/10/2023 4:39 pm
Good analysis about openFPGA. That's incredibly silly, they made such a big deal about how openFPGA was their future, only to abandon it on their very next product
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That tells me you can't trust their long-term commitment to anything
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i presume most people here are aware of wes fenlon's newsletter about emulation but here's latest issue, it VERY GOOD: https://www.readonlymemo.com/p/analogue-3d-hardware-emulation-no-open-fpga
Ethan Whitted 22/10/2023 4:49 pm
I had not read this before, so thanks for the share!
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its a great newsletter
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I think openFPGA is just only for Analogue Pocket which is more of a long term product
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Since the system is portable and can be docked
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though I say long term but they still don't produce a lot
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Kate Willært 22/10/2023 11:57 pm
Y’know what, I think I just solved what the unspecified licensing issues were that resulted in Popeye becoming DK
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 22/10/2023 11:58 pm
Did you raid the King Features archives and find the precious document
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Kate Willært 22/10/2023 11:58 pm
I was just having an editing debate with myself, and think about it like this:
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  • There’s a big rush on the project
  • Miyamoto spends all of March sketching out the level design and pixel art
  • The programmers are told they have until mid-June and spend April developing feedback and putting together a doc
  • They spend May programming it
  • They spend June debugging, playtesting happens, some more alterations
  • They deliver the final thing in July
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For anyone who’s ever worked on a project involving licensing, you might see the problem immediately
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“Oh no, where do we schedule time to wait on licensing to approve anything??”
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 23/10/2023 3:38 pm
"unbroken streak" sounds questionable
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also ignores the programmers who actually implemented Super Mario Bros and, I'd argue, are responsible for why it feels as good as it does (edited)
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oh I see someone already brought that up in the comments to the tweet
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chrisjyoung 23/10/2023 3:50 pm
Hi folks, we're having a Game Studies Launch event at University of Toronto Mississauga on November 9th to celebrate the acquisitions of our game-related collections--Syd Bolton Collection, PC Museum, and Electric Playground--and our new Game Studies minor program. We've put together an exciting panel for the public forum portion of the event. I know folks here probably won't attend the in-person event, but the registration page includes a virtual option if its of interest. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/utm-game-studies-launch-tickets-740368310547?aff=oddtdtcreator
Join us for a public forum and reception to launch UTM’s collections, curriculum, and programming to support the study of games.
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Hi folks, we're having a Game Studies Launch event at University of Toronto Mississauga on November 9th to celebrate the acquisitions of our game-related collections--Syd Bolton Collection, PC Museum, and Electric Playground--and our new Game Studies minor program. We've put together an exciting panel for the public forum portion of the event. I know folks here probably won't attend the in-person event, but the registration page includes a virtual option if its of interest. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/utm-game-studies-launch-tickets-740368310547?aff=oddtdtcreator
Phil Salvador 23/10/2023 3:58 pm
That's so cool! I didn't know y'all acquired the Electric Playground archives!
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Phil Salvador
That's so cool! I didn't know y'all acquired the Electric Playground archives!
chrisjyoung 23/10/2023 4:02 pm
It's a recent acquisition, we're only just promoting it now in connection with the event. We're very lucky to be working with them on digitizing the archive
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also ignores the programmers who actually implemented Super Mario Bros and, I'd argue, are responsible for why it feels as good as it does (edited)
that was the part that annoyed me
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Toshihiko Nakago is literally credited in Super Mario Bros. Wonder as a special level design advisor
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so I feel like his programming role was not what he thinks in SMB1 (edited)
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and could very well have added his own spin to the game
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For anyone who’s ever worked on a project involving licensing, you might see the problem immediately
Ethan Whitted 23/10/2023 10:20 pm
I feel this personally.
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As someone who's worked with a lot of licensed games.
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and Kazuaki Morita, the other SMB1 programmer, is still in SMB Wonder's credits even if just the special thanks (edited)
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so he's also still at Nintendo/SRD
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and Kazuaki Morita, the other SMB1 programmer, is still in SMB Wonder's credits even if just the special thanks (edited)
Ethan Whitted 23/10/2023 10:23 pm
That second example is a little bit like following the letter of the post instead of the spirit of the post, though.
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I'll be honest though I just think all 5 members are still just as relevant
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and those two deserve a little more credit
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If anything I really wish they got more interviews about their job
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and Nakago definitely talked about things before (edited)
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as apparently he was really really involved in NSMB Wii
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 24/10/2023 12:04 am
https://github.com/Villadelfia/dmgtris i've just been made aware of this homebrew Game Boy demake of Tetris The Grand Master
Contribute to Villadelfia/DMGTRIS development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Entertainment Software Association, which represents several major gaming companies, compiled an overview of Notorious 'pirate' Markets.
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 25/10/2023 12:06 am
Can we convince LRG to make this VGHF promo a bit bigger? Maybe include the logo? I thought it was bigger before...
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Cartoon logo frank
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Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 12:41 am
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Jeff | bdjeffyp
Can we convince LRG to make this VGHF promo a bit bigger? Maybe include the logo? I thought it was bigger before...
Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 12:41 am
possibly but they're talking about a larger redesign and I don't want to keep pestering them to fix this old one
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I do what I can
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Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 12:42 am
at least he has a better hairline than me
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Frank Cifaldi
possibly but they're talking about a larger redesign and I don't want to keep pestering them to fix this old one
Jeff | bdjeffyp 25/10/2023 12:42 am
But we were just talking about pestering! vxnLUL
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Seriously though, that makes sense
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 25/10/2023 12:53 am
Man I saw a photo of myself today from 7 years ago and I miss that hairline
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Frank Cifaldi
at least he has a better hairline than me
Jeremy Seith 25/10/2023 12:58 am
lol cartoon your dl pic
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https://archive.org/details/mario-luigi-superstar-saga-e3-prototype-may-3-2003 Mario & Luigi E3 Prototype build found and released
Here is a build of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga from May 3, 2003 15:56:48. This places it a full five months before any of the retail release build...
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contains loads of differences from the final game
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in addition to the original ROM, which has three hard-coded save files, there is a modified ROM that makes the first save file start a new game, free from the confines of the demo areas
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and there are a pair of PDFs with initial research
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Oh that's cool!
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Love that game so much
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Frank Cifaldi
possibly but they're talking about a larger redesign and I don't want to keep pestering them to fix this old one
Ethan Whitted 25/10/2023 4:52 pm
Lol so see it next year in June.
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Just spoke to Armageddon Potato, who gave me a lot of info for my old Nightmare on Elm Street NES videos. He showed me the uncensored original version of Beetlejuice NES and is digging through 300+ prototypes right now. Expect a big NES lost media drop in December 💖 56
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Beat Ducktales for the backlog roulette, this game was a lot of fun, there was some challenging parts, but it wasn't too bad, the music and graphics are really good. I'd give this game an A
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That music is so good! 🌙
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Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 7:51 pm
nice!!
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Is Ducktales 2 just as good?
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Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 7:52 pm
not really, it's like going from mega man 2 to 5
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the text in the early ducktales build for the ending is very charming
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the music kicks in comedically like on the exact frame that he says DREAM AND FRIENDS
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Oh wow
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I have seen Ducktales 2 go for quite a bit on eBay
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The pogo mechanic is pretty cool—was there any precedent for that in the show? I don’t really remember his cane figuring heavily into scrooges character
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I wonder if there was some other prototype or mechanic they were working on that just became the ducktails game
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Frank Cifaldi 25/10/2023 8:29 pm
that's my assumption about all their disney games tbh
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It’s a good approach
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That’s what I did with my unlicensed licensed insert credit game, after all 😂
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I just wonder how Scrooge didn't get seriously injured when jumping into all that money
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Least Weasel 26/10/2023 1:28 am
There's a secret technique
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Also -- they used the moon theme from the capcom game in the 2017 ducktales show and the moment I heard that -- that song is now tied to my perseverance as a parent
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LongwoodGeek 26/10/2023 5:35 pm
Welp I survived a pulmonary embolism this week...time to get back to archiving!
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Frank Cifaldi 26/10/2023 5:36 pm
good lord, glad you're ok
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LongwoodGeek 26/10/2023 5:36 pm
Side note: make sure someone you know who you trust knows what to do with everything you're doing archive-wise so that things don't get lost in the event the worst happens. Luckily my wife knows to reach out to you @Frank Cifaldi and a couple others 🙂
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Thanks sir! 2nd time in a year I dodged death. Not trying for another record!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/10/2023 5:59 pm
hm my wife's contact point for that is Phil but since he's no longer two miles down the road I don't know if he's the ideal contact person anymore
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Phil Salvador 26/10/2023 6:05 pm
I mean if you spontaneously exploded, I would show up to help out
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LongwoodGeek
Welp I survived a pulmonary embolism this week...time to get back to archiving!
Nate Lockhart 26/10/2023 6:06 pm
Oh my God, so so glad you're ok
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LongwoodGeek 26/10/2023 6:08 pm
@Phil Salvador Dude, if I do? I hope someone films it! 😉 @Nate Lockhart Thanks! I appreciate it. Second time in a year I managed to not die when I could/should have. Thats why I firmed up my "who gets what" in case something happens. I've got like 200 Softdisk disks to archive still, hate for them to get lost in the shuffle!
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Phil Salvador
I mean if you spontaneously exploded, I would show up to help out
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 26/10/2023 6:12 pm
yeah same, but I'd advise against it
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very messy
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Phil Salvador 26/10/2023 6:16 pm
I'm not helping with the body retrieval
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Least Weasel 26/10/2023 6:53 pm
FOR THE GLORY OF THE PLANET MOON!!!
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LongwoodGeek
Side note: make sure someone you know who you trust knows what to do with everything you're doing archive-wise so that things don't get lost in the event the worst happens. Luckily my wife knows to reach out to you @Frank Cifaldi and a couple others 🙂
How do you approach this with digital archiving? Because hoo boy, I can't begin to explain why anyone besides me should care about 60+ TB of stuff on hard drives
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That's.... a heck of a lot of prototypes
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Frank Cifaldi 26/10/2023 9:37 pm
I love the frogger community
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Mike Bentley 27/10/2023 1:25 am
I feel that Frogger game has a bad reputation but I found it a lot of fun
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Jason Scott 27/10/2023 1:37 am
Developed byMillennium Interactive Ltd.ReleasedNov 03, 1997Also ForWindowsPublished byHasbro Interactive, Inc.ESRB RatingEveryoneGenreActionGameplayArcade,...
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Phil Salvador 27/10/2023 2:48 am
It's finally here, I'm so excited
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Frank Cifaldi 27/10/2023 10:36 pm
I think we've shown these two off before but god bless Barnhart & Hoots: Joint Inventors
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Phil Salvador
It's finally here, I'm so excited
Ethan Whitted 27/10/2023 10:43 pm
Woah, what is this??
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Phil Salvador 27/10/2023 10:43 pm
That's the Japanese release of The Sims!
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Ethan Whitted 27/10/2023 10:43 pm
Is this bootleg or just an international release branding?
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Oh that's incredible 😄
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Frank Cifaldi
I think we've shown these two off before but god bless Barnhart & Hoots: Joint Inventors
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 27/10/2023 11:00 pm
Seem logical to me
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Frank Cifaldi 28/10/2023 12:33 am
these are all work in progress but here's Logical Gamer issue 2 if anyone wants the scoop on barnhart and his pal hoots https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nww998ek0tdtvbtstoj1g/Logical-Gamer-02.pdf?rlkey=6c9y98pvevttqxvpp7vw1bo6t&dl=0
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there is literally one known copy in the world of this magazine so I was pretty meticulous with the touchups, no one will ever recognize it but I guess that's kind of the point
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What's everyone been playing lately?
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Honestly just OldSchool RuneScape
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Silent Hill 3. I'm liking it but I was feeling a mite antsy (edited)
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Jason Scott 28/10/2023 4:39 pm
Call of duty warzone and cocoon
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/10/2023 4:40 pm
The samurai Shodown open rollback beta… and Atari games for footage
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Still slowly playing through TotK
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DMGTRIS. That Tetris Grand Master demake. Quite good.
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Jeremy Seith 28/10/2023 5:26 pm
Thief and King's Field II
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 28/10/2023 5:31 pm
Solitaire Expeditions, and the b&w Mac version of PGA Tour Golf. mrgreen
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Dylan Mansfield 28/10/2023 5:32 pm
Currently taking my time with Super Mario Wonder.
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Phil Salvador 28/10/2023 5:44 pm
I'm still on a Game Pass binge, just finished Vampire Survivors and trying to figure out what next
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Nic McConnell 28/10/2023 5:44 pm
Have you played Cocoon?
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@Phil Salvador ?
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+1 to Cocoon, I really enjoyed it!
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Nic McConnell 28/10/2023 5:45 pm
Also Venba is a wonderful experience
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Phil Salvador 28/10/2023 5:46 pm
I sure downloaded it after seeing many strong recommendations, including yours!
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Just need to be in the mood for it
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Phil Salvador
I'm still on a Game Pass binge, just finished Vampire Survivors and trying to figure out what next
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/10/2023 5:46 pm
I kind of want to check out Recore sometime, I heard it's kind of messy but still pretty good
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Phil Salvador 28/10/2023 5:51 pm
I had an Xbox One at launch and even I didn't play Recore haha
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 28/10/2023 5:54 pm
damn
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I've been playing Street fighter 6, Sea of Stars, and Mario Wonder
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Phil Salvador
I'm still on a Game Pass binge, just finished Vampire Survivors and trying to figure out what next
Have you played Gris? Great (and short!) art/music game with casual platfomer gameplay. Came to GP recently.
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Cocoon is on my shortlist
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 28/10/2023 6:34 pm
oh I've also been playing Travel Games for Dummies, on the DS
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Frank Cifaldi 28/10/2023 7:17 pm
Spider-Man 2 over here
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Have you played Gris? Great (and short!) art/music game with casual platfomer gameplay. Came to GP recently.
Phil Salvador 28/10/2023 7:20 pm
Have not! I'm working mostly through 1st-party stuff right now but I have a growing list of "things I should've played in the last 6-7 years"
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I upgraded from a launch Xbox One to a Series X this year, so I'm significantly playing catchup
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Haven’t been playing too much, mostly messing around with pico-8 and the mister Saturn/n64 cores. Most of my mister play time has been Christmas Nights NiGHTS
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I think I’m finally finally almost getting the hang of how to play nights lol
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Would like to play Alan Wake II, that release really snuck up on me. Debating if I should try and play the control dlc first
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Phil Salvador
I had an Xbox One at launch and even I didn't play Recore haha
Least Weasel 28/10/2023 11:16 pm
I liked Recore
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Currently playing a sad amount of Pokémon Go, but me and the eldest are trying to beat Costume Quest 1 before Halloween
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Kate Willært 29/10/2023 3:40 am
Imagine if Costume Quest was turned into a series of short 2-hour annual episodes so that every year people could play a new mini-adventure about the length of an actual night of trick or treating…would make a bunch of money and become a tradition
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How do you approach this with digital archiving? Because hoo boy, I can't begin to explain why anyone besides me should care about 60+ TB of stuff on hard drives
LongwoodGeek 29/10/2023 4:41 am
Honestly? Find someone in the communities you're in and give them an "End of the World" list or at least have them know to ask your family about it. Keeping things on places like the IA will lessen that chance and I believe it can be privatized so things aren't released until you're gonzo. Try to keep a catalog of what you're doing and notes along the way!
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Kate Willært 29/10/2023 6:07 pm
Just noticed that within the last year someone uploaded a much higher quality version of the first NES commercial https://youtu.be/_hBT_9KQIBI?si=XT8xsG0qXlBlr1bT&t=170
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(mess up your sister's romantic life at all costs)
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Least Weasel 29/10/2023 7:21 pm
Wait. The talkboy was a thing outside of Home Alone?
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Kate Willært 29/10/2023 7:23 pm
It was invented for the script, but they teamed up with a company to sell one as a product tie-in
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I remember seeing them in the toy aisle
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Tiger Electronics. It became a massive hit for them.
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Oh yeah, I had one of those. My sister and I would record our own little radio show onto it 😂
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That commercial is burned into my brain…just think of all the useful stuff I could remember instead
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Frank Cifaldi 29/10/2023 9:27 pm
My brain did "hi kids, we're home early" just glancing at the thumbnail
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Ethan Whitted 29/10/2023 10:35 pm
Lol you don't even need to watch the ad.
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Phil Salvador
I'm still on a Game Pass binge, just finished Vampire Survivors and trying to figure out what next
Very late to this, but - sea of stars if you like chrono trigger. The TNNT game from 2022 is also very fun. Railway Empire 2 if you liked Railroad Tycoon.
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Phil Salvador 30/10/2023 4:49 am
Officially booked my flights for MAGFest 2024! 🎵
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I always wanted a Talkboy, but never got one. A friend did get a Talkboy Jr. though, so I got to at least mess around with that.
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:36 pm
...my wife and I were talking about what kind of travel do we want to do and I mentioned something like the Portland retro expo to meet all the cool people that do stuff here
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And she asked me what makes you all so cool
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And I talked about the deep knowledge. Press Run, that kind of thing
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And then she asked me why I don't write a book
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... and now I'm like -- could I?
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What the hell kind of book doesn't already exist?
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Like, I'm not a games journalist. I don't have the access you guys do
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 4:39 pm
I'm not a games journalist, I'm a sci comm guy
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a sci comm guy with a weird series of hyperfixations
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:39 pm
Ok. I do have weird hyperfixations
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But you're the Atari guy now. You have a video channel that you distilled into the first of an I assume series of books
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A lot of what we do is to provide the resources to people who need them.
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:42 pm
Jeremy is the literally everything else guy. What isnt being talked about?
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My first thought was like -- a comprehensive study of Mega Man but surely that already exists.
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Start with what you want to talk about. Nothing kills a project like not actually being into it
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:43 pm
Like, isn't there a robot master field guide?
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 4:43 pm
Jeremy talks about a lot of stuff but it's not like his is the only perspective/approach in the world
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which I'm pretty sure I've heard him say
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 4:44 pm
I'm gonna give the exact same advice I gave you before, which is that all of us just shut up and do it and build to the point where we can write a book/start a nonprofit etc.
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if you've got something in you then start working on it
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Borman
A lot of what we do is to provide the resources to people who need them.
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 4:45 pm
one day I need to take another trawl through the Atari papers. Hopefully by then the consumer division docs will have been donated and accessed 😛
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Frank Cifaldi
I'm gonna give the exact same advice I gave you before, which is that all of us just shut up and do it and build to the point where we can write a book/start a nonprofit etc.
Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:47 pm
Well...shit. I'm talking in circles! Sorry Frank!
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 4:48 pm
oh it's nothing to apologize for! I'm just saying that if you're seriously wanting to do something like that, there is literally no other path than just doing a lot of work
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none of us are special, we just rolled up our sleeves and did it for years
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:51 pm
At this point it's not the lot of work that's the issue? Watching you guys I am keenly aware of the volume of such a task. It's more about the fear of being redundant
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If its in your own voice, it wont be redundant. Same reason why you can have dozens of books about the same subject
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You can reach your own conclusions, do it your own way, etc.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 4:55 pm
and hey if the topic overlaps you can cite other people's work in your own 😛
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/10/2023 4:55 pm
There's tons of stories to be told out there. Stories within stories. We were actually just recently talking about, there is no guide to like how third parties developed games on the NES aside form very technical oversights. That info exists, but not in narrative form. It's not "just" a Nintendo story, it's a different way of looking at that tale which can be summed up simply but is not the only lens to look at it from.
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 4:58 pm
I wonder how hard it is to get data on who else worked on Rockman DASH besides Inafune. Or the rest of the Mega Man stuff for that matter.
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Like, I feel like he's a gigantic shadow over that whole franchise and, not for the desire to move past him because of how grifty the last things he was attached to felt ... but that feels like there are stories there
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 5:02 pm
this seller has a couple original pieces commissioned for Electronic Games magazine, pretty cool to see
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This auction is for the ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL vintage Vectrex (a competitor of Atari) Star Trek Advertisement painting/illustration for Vectrex Star Trek video game from 1982. This STUNNING Painting is by William Neal McPheeters and it measures about 19x11.5 inches.  This two page art spread was used in the Nov 1982 issue of Electronic Games (the...
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Frank Cifaldi
this seller has a couple original pieces commissioned for Electronic Games magazine, pretty cool to see
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 5:03 pm
oh nice, Stampede I'm guessing?
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 5:03 pm
@Kate Willært you might enjoy
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yeah Stampede
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 5:03 pm
to have 900 bucks for that fancy ass Enterprise
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 5:03 pm
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can you imagine having the art budget of an early 1980s magazine
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my god
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Borman
If its in your own voice, it wont be redundant. Same reason why you can have dozens of books about the same subject
Phil Salvador 30/10/2023 5:04 pm
Been telling myself this a lot over the last week, and it's true!
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Least Weasel 30/10/2023 5:04 pm
My mind feels so concluded. I cannot imagine budget, let alone a big one.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 5:06 pm
can you imagine having the readership of an early 80s magazine
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Kate Willært 30/10/2023 5:32 pm
Nice
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No mention of artist tho?
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 5:39 pm
it's in the description
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William Neal McPheeters
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Least Weasel
What the hell kind of book doesn't already exist?
Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/10/2023 5:42 pm
I may have just barely missed this part of the convo, but I'd like to say, going by Boss Fight Books as an entity, there is a market for books about games that don't necessarily have to be Exhaustively Researched Theses, there's a market for books of opinion, books of feeling, books of "this is what I remember it being like and I have stories to tell about that"
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Phil Salvador 30/10/2023 5:43 pm
If you really want motivation, find something bad written about the subject you want to write about, and say "Hey I can write something better than that"
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/10/2023 5:44 pm
like, the very first Boss Fight Book, Earthbound, was as much about the game Earthbound as it was about the author's childhood surrounding Earthbound and what was going on in his life when first playing through it
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Phil Salvador
If you really want motivation, find something bad written about the subject you want to write about, and say "Hey I can write something better than that"
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 5:51 pm
boy if this wasn't motivation for me
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/10/2023 5:51 pm
(Though I have to say those types of books do not interest me at all)
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Frank Cifaldi 30/10/2023 5:55 pm
same for both of the prior messages
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Jeremy Seith 30/10/2023 5:57 pm
not a golden bullet but zines are a great place to start and fully within your grasp. work out thoughts and ideas until you find one that demands your full self, whatever that means. it's also a practice useful to yourself and an audience without being so daunting as writing a whole book that requires a large investment of various resources. (edited)
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Jason Scott 30/10/2023 6:04 pm
I mean, "a market" is a stretch
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I doubt Boss Fight Books makes more than a hardscrabble living.
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You do books not to make a market, you do it to write a cohesive work that represents more than a few minutes of concentration.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Jeremy talks about a lot of stuff but it's not like his is the only perspective/approach in the world
jeremyparish 30/10/2023 6:08 pm
Yeah, there's a reason Retronauts has a bunch of different episode leads now. It's not because I didn't feel like hosting as many podcasts (coordinating details with a bunch of contributors takes almost as much energy and time, honestly), I just want to be sure the show contains more varied perspectives than mine, which comes from a very specific time/place/culture/socioeconomic stratum.
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Nate Lockhart 30/10/2023 6:15 pm
Thats something I noticed very early on in Retronauts, and something I took as an influence when I started my little podcast endeavor. I still wanna get someone on who can wax poetic about the Mac line of computers. I find them painfully dull, but the folks who are into it are really into it, and that's cool and something I'd like to talk to them about
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 6:24 pm
one day I'll get Phil on to talk about 90s multimedia games
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Nate Lockhart 30/10/2023 6:27 pm
I love that there's somebody out there who has a passion for the things I tolerated when I couldn't get my hands on real video games 😉
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/10/2023 6:45 pm
if i had more of a stomach for being on podcasts i'd take you up on that
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
one day I'll get Phil on to talk about 90s multimedia games
Phil Salvador 30/10/2023 6:46 pm
Any time you want
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 30/10/2023 6:46 pm
i didn't grow up with Macs (we were very much a Wintel household, Dad worked for Intel for a long time) but ever since getting one cheap in '08, i've seen the whole platform as a fascinating archaeological dig of sorts
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a lot can already be said about the Big Commercial Games that got ported to them, or produced directly for them, but it's so much more fascinating to look at the shareware and public domain stuff and really get an idea of how these computers were seen and used
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and of course i'll always have a soft spot for Burning Monkey Solitaire
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
i didn't grow up with Macs (we were very much a Wintel household, Dad worked for Intel for a long time) but ever since getting one cheap in '08, i've seen the whole platform as a fascinating archaeological dig of sorts
Kate Willært 30/10/2023 6:55 pm
I'm kinda similar in that the video game history that interests me most is NA games from before I was born (and more recently, accidentally becoming more interested in 80s games that were never released in NA)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 7:11 pm
my active area of scholarship has remained American-region games from before I was conscious of video games, but I've also developed a real fascination with other corners - regional history, user-side history, etc. as much as I'm interested in the NES era and beyond I figure other folks have that fairly well covered (which may or may not be correct, depending on the specifics)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence
a lot can already be said about the Big Commercial Games that got ported to them, or produced directly for them, but it's so much more fascinating to look at the shareware and public domain stuff and really get an idea of how these computers were seen and used
Nate Lockhart 30/10/2023 7:22 pm
Yeah, I need to get this kind of take on the 'cast for this subject. Someone who can explain their love for it with an infectious enthusiasm for us non-initiates.
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I did that once on a much older episode covering the phenomenon of Mary Kate and Ashley - watching a couple of the movies with my wife and having her and her friends lead the podcast helped me to understand why it mattered so much to them at the time
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 30/10/2023 8:13 pm
I think the big projects can always be looked at in a new light because the fundamental framing that we tend to look at these stories at leaves out so much. "Nintendo was big and literally nothing else mattered," "This game was based on this inspiration and only the lead designer mattered." That's still an issue even if we think we "know the story" in most tellings.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 30/10/2023 8:16 pm
all games are inspired by star trek, you know this
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Nate Lockhart 30/10/2023 8:16 pm
There's always more to the story to tell
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Nate Lockhart
I did that once on a much older episode covering the phenomenon of Mary Kate and Ashley - watching a couple of the movies with my wife and having her and her friends lead the podcast helped me to understand why it mattered so much to them at the time
Least Weasel 30/10/2023 8:18 pm
This. There's so much stuff lost to lack of caring about the pink aisle
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Nate Lockhart 30/10/2023 8:21 pm
Makes me glad there's more attention being paid to that stuff, like the Loopy and those electronic "personal diaries"
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Atari enters into an agreement to acquire Digital Eclipse         PARIS, FRANCE (October [31], 2023 - 8.00 am CET) - Atari® (the “Company”) — one of...
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I really do hope there is some nice synergy there for neo-Atari to be the weird premium retro company
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They were both on Republic.com looking for crowdfund investors lately. Maybe this will shore up DE’s financials? Doesn’t seem like either joint is super profitable but these are two orgs I’d like to see stick around
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 31/10/2023 1:39 pm
why's Atari gotta be buying up all the existing things I like
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"The Jaguar company?"
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 31/10/2023 1:47 pm
Definitely feel like Atari's going for a long play with a strategy focused on data collection.
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Jason Scott 31/10/2023 1:49 pm
Doom
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Phil Salvador 31/10/2023 2:11 pm
Yes new article! Same old quotes from the ESA though
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I appreciate that they dug deep on the ESA's specific arguments that libraries are just trying to set up online arcades
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Kate Willært 31/10/2023 3:34 pm
Damn, Halloween isn't supposed to give you actual scares
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Frank Cifaldi 1/11/2023 5:38 pm
Out of town for work and I accidentally found a video game company next to the place Google took me for coffee
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Least Weasel 1/11/2023 5:48 pm
NEAT
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Go say hi and ask if you can scan all their stuff!
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Mike Bentley 1/11/2023 5:56 pm
My doctor's office is in the same building as Hidden Path Entertainment
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Jeremy Seith 1/11/2023 8:24 pm
neat, some cool interplay/BI/obsidian stories in there somewhere
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We have stuff from Brian Fargo from the Interplay days at The Strong
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I would really like an oral history about that SNES LotR game.
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We have stuff from Brian Fargo from the Interplay days at The Strong
Jeremy Seith 1/11/2023 9:40 pm
another item for the ol' reference requests!
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I would really like an oral history about that SNES LotR game.
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 1:31 am
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I think its only mentioned in passing in that, and in another piece by Time Extension. I think the PC version is well regarded, while the SNES version is a very odd and janky Secret of Mana-ish game.
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What a game. I recall trying to write a walkthrough for it and I just could not make it very far before giving it up
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Phil Salvador 2/11/2023 4:24 am
Sharing a fun tease for y'all: we're getting more footage back from Cyan. One of the videos we have is the highest-quality version of the Making of Riven documentary they did back in 1997. The difference is unreal
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This is the original version that was distributed
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And this is the version we just recovered
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These side by sides are critical for my fuzz brain to process how much better footage can look
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 5:05 am
Restored videotape is one of the best things the human mind can comprehend.
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Matt Clawson 2/11/2023 2:31 pm
Enhance!
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I’m thrilled to finally share this! I’ve partnered with @romerogamesltd to write a digital book on the making of John @Romero’s #SIGIL II.👹💥🔫 Look for it in the retail box alongside these beautiful (in a hellish sort of way) collectibles. Pre-orders open TODAY!
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this is fun, floppy disks and shotgun shell USB
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 3:54 pm
Craddock becoming the new Geoff Keighley sitting in on PC games going gold
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Least Weasel 2/11/2023 4:03 pm
This feels like a Norm question -- I think I found a good start for a project. There was a NES peripheral in the 80s called the Hands Free which was a commercially sold controller designed for paraplegics. Beyond a Kotaku article, the dead reddit thread linking to it, and a video from LauraKBuzz -- that's all I can find on it.
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Does anyone know anything about this thing?
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@Norm ?
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(if I'm not supposed to at people, I'm super sorry and won't do it again)
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Least Weasel 2/11/2023 4:14 pm
Whelp, I found another couple of videos. Eeeee I'm just so happy to have a starting place. This is probably going to balloon into like -- the concept of control
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I've seen it mentioned a few times in older magazines - Nintendo Power, EGM, GamePro
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Least Weasel 2/11/2023 4:23 pm
Thank you, sir!
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 4:24 pm
Alas - got word that Phil Conklin of Fairchild died last March. He was only on the video game file until around august 76 but if anyone knew why the Channel F got that name it would’ve been him
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Least Weasel
This feels like a Norm question -- I think I found a good start for a project. There was a NES peripheral in the 80s called the Hands Free which was a commercially sold controller designed for paraplegics. Beyond a Kotaku article, the dead reddit thread linking to it, and a video from LauraKBuzz -- that's all I can find on it.
We have one!
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It's on display right now\
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a decade ago the guy who was the model for it was still around and contactable
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@Least Weasel I have way more info than I remembered from 2009, had a phone call with the kid in the ads (Todd Stablefeldt) and theres some notes here. also the nwc/nintendo power articles https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0k5vmclflpvwgdv87awwp/h?rlkey=mlowmm8972jmanu93vp61qbdq&dl=0
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and it looks like his name was spelled wrong http://www.toddstabelfeldt.com (edited)
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Alas - got word that Phil Conklin of Fairchild died last March. He was only on the video game file until around august 76 but if anyone knew why the Channel F got that name it would’ve been him
Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:31 pm
What I find looking around was it was called the Video Entertainment System (VES) and then renamed to "Channel F".
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"Fairchild’s VES, released in 1976, was the first programmable, interchangeable cartridge system. It sported an onboard processor and random-access memory (BAM). The system had a rapid name change when Atari’s VCS was released, and is better known today as the Fairchild Channel F."
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:33 pm
The reasoning is false. The VCS was announced after the name change.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:33 pm
@Kate Willært was looking into it more, from all indications they were using Channel F very early on
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:33 pm
Channel F comes in March 1977. VCS is announced June 1977. (edited)
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:33 pm
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I'm excited to track this down. One moment.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:34 pm
Nick Talesfore, one of the hardware guys, said that Channel F stemmed from a meeting with Fairchild marketing folks and Sears
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:35 pm
https://archive.org/details/Fairchild_VES_Manual_1976_Fairchild_a - re-establishing via manual it starts as VES.
Fairchild Channel F: Fairchild VES Manual (1976)(Fairchild)[a]
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:35 pm
John Donatoni, when I asked him about this, said he personally only ever met Sears regarding Fairchild's watch line, but he took over from Conklin in August 76, after the Channel F's CES debut and partway into their arrangements with retailers
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:35 pm
March 10, 1977 ad
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It was launched as the VES and changed to Channel F. Probably mostly for marketing reasons, as they could says things such as, "This is like a TV channel!"
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:38 pm
it predates even March
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would be interesting if they knew the VCS name was coming, even thought it wasnt released yet
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:38 pm
from the January 1977 Merchandising issue
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I don't think the VCS/2600 had anything to do with the name change
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Kate Willært 2/11/2023 6:40 pm
Oh nice, this is going even earlier than I’d previously found
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:40 pm
This is a collection of materials provided by former Fairchild engineer Richard Olney to historian Kevin Bunch regarding the history of Fairchild...
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(I know this is Bunch's crap, I just happened to find it.)
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would be interesting if they knew the VCS name was coming, even thought it wasnt released yet
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:41 pm
Highly unlikely. We don't know when exactly Atari settled on the name, for one. And what would be the point of trying to pre-empt them on a name?
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Kate Willært 2/11/2023 6:41 pm
And yeah, as Kevin says, I point out in my Channel F article that it was apparently an idea from a meeting with Sears that Fairchild adopted even after the Sears deal fell through https://www.acriticalhit.com/box-art-history-3-fairchild-channel-f/
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The Channel F logo wasn’t printed on any game labels until summer 77 from what I was finding, so these ads are cool for proof they were transitioning the name even earlier
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:44 pm
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(January 1978)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:45 pm
A bit later in the year they transitioned to the Channel F System II.
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:46 pm
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August 1977
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The Channel F logo wasn’t printed on any game labels until summer 77 from what I was finding, so these ads are cool for proof they were transitioning the name even earlier
Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:46 pm
this is actually interesting timing, as the latter part of 77 is when Fairchild started selling the internal revision of the channel f that combined the TTL components into a few ICs as a cost-saving measure
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the Channel F 1.5, as Olney called it
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:46 pm
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Finally, some variety
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:47 pm
I mean the dedicated console market was pretty dire for variety 😛
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:50 pm
until ironically the same time frame the programmables started turning up
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 6:52 pm
A cross purpose of technology, running two ways.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 6:54 pm
gonna do a quick event shill while I'm at it - I'm giving a talk at Reclaim Arcade on the 18th about the challenges of converting coin op games to home consoles https://fb.me/e/3fQ3WV9fS
Event in Fredericksburg, VA by Reclaim Arcade on Saturday, November 18 2023
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Jason Scott 2/11/2023 6:55 pm
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Confirm on January 1 of Merchandising.
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Billboard, January 29
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CHARLES S. DOLK, 89, died on Sunday, May 21, 2017. Born Feb. 28, 1928, in South Bend, Ind., he was the son of Helen S. and Irvin S. Dolk. He graduated from Yale University in 1949 and served in the U.S. Navy. Chuck worked in the field of consumer electronics, and eventually became VP of Product Development at Magnavox, frequently travelling to Japan.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 2/11/2023 7:01 pm
those Magnavox execs have a mortality rate that makes Fairchild and Atari look evergreen
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@Least Weasel I have way more info than I remembered from 2009, had a phone call with the kid in the ads (Todd Stablefeldt) and theres some notes here. also the nwc/nintendo power articles https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0k5vmclflpvwgdv87awwp/h?rlkey=mlowmm8972jmanu93vp61qbdq&dl=0
Least Weasel 2/11/2023 8:23 pm
THANK YOU!
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Frank Cifaldi 2/11/2023 9:36 pm
I ended up saying hi to Brian Fargo, enjoy the InXile lobby
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And the original illustration for Battle Chess, which is tiny
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Least Weasel 2/11/2023 9:43 pm
That table is fantastic
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 2/11/2023 10:12 pm
Fargo is a man living the dream
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 2/11/2023 10:46 pm
i like that they pay just as much tribute to Omar Sharif and his bridge games
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also, wait, Virtual Pool 2 on DVD-ROM? I wonder what's different about that
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I remember the first game had FMVs where their resident pool professional explained and demonstrated the various trick shots, I'd imagine 2 had that too
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Frank Cifaldi 2/11/2023 11:46 pm
Oh sorry I didn't stare at his collection too much, maybe I should have
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 3/11/2023 12:06 am
Mobygames doesn't even list a DVD version, but it could just be that they don't know about it.
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none on eBay either
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Both a really cool coffee table and really cool hanging light
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And the original illustration for Battle Chess, which is tiny
Kate Willært 3/11/2023 2:47 am
That must be a rough for approval before the full sized
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Frank Cifaldi 3/11/2023 3:47 am
I think so too, I was going off what he said but then I looked at my photo later
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Least Weasel 3/11/2023 4:59 pm
Question that has probably been answered but I want to say I heard it from a reputable source -- what's the actual legality of where that ROM came from? Like if I own a cartridge but I don't have the equipment to dump it and the file came from some FTP site somewhere -- did I do a crime?
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Asking for a friend 😛
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/11/2023 5:01 pm
legally it's supposed to be pulled from your own copy, in practice I think that could be hard to prove for ones that you personally own anyway
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/11/2023 5:02 pm
The general US Law is that you are able to create a single backup copy of software you own.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 3/11/2023 5:03 pm
(also true for tapes, cds, etc)
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my doctor who dvd rips are all perfectly legal
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In addition to SIGIL II (http://romero.com), I've got some other great news to celebrate DOOM's 30th Anniversary. Join me and John Carmack @ID_AA_Carmack to discuss DOOM live, moderated by David L. Craddock @davidlcraddock. Dec 10 8pm GMT on https://www.twitch.tv/theromero. Thanks for playing our games!
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romero & carmack together in an interview
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it's been a while, surely?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/11/2023 5:32 pm
At the same time, live? Yes, very.
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Least Weasel 3/11/2023 6:31 pm
Something for later -- what's the opinion on the best way to play Sokoban?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 3/11/2023 6:42 pm
I'm gonna assume @Pasokon Deacon has an opinion
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Something for later -- what's the opinion on the best way to play Sokoban?
My subject matter expert is @jeremyparish
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Pasokon Deacon 3/11/2023 7:46 pm
For official/replica Sokoban, there’s a solid iOS/Android app made by Falcon Co./Thinking Rabbit themselves, though you’ll have to pay for certain puzzle packs. Otherwise I recommend trying any of the older ports available here: https://web.archive.org/web/20140826194707/http://www.download-central.ws/concepts/Sokoban/ Can’t go wrong with Kwirk/Spud’s Adventure or Power Sokoban for SNES, either. Baba is You would be the best modern take on the genre, along with Bonfire Keep and Void Stranger. (Helltaker exists, but it’s much less known for how it plays than…other things.) (edited)
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it's been a while, surely?
Jason Scott 3/11/2023 8:00 pm
Years ago (since I had both their attention) I suggested they should do a co-appearance somewhere for charity.
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Something for later -- what's the opinion on the best way to play Sokoban?
i heard Void Stranger is a 100% insane new Sokoban-y game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2121980/Void_Stranger/
Void Stranger is a 2D sokoban-style puzzle game where every step counts.Descend into the forgotten labyrinth teeming with fiendish foes and traps that defy reason. A swift defeat lurks at every corner for those who neither study their surroundings nor think their moves through with care. Trust you wits and slowly, surely, you will conquer the my...
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My subject matter expert is @jeremyparish
jeremyparish 3/11/2023 8:16 pm
My preference these days is the Sokoban dungeon in Shiren 5 (accessible from the game's start).
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i heard Void Stranger is a 100% insane new Sokoban-y game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2121980/Void_Stranger/
Least Weasel 3/11/2023 8:59 pm
Saving this for later
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Not sure this ever made it to the channel but it has 600k views and has Kelsey in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ_UA-JS5o
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(and the VGHF survey)
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It's amazing, as are all Jacobs essays. Seeing VGHF appear is a cool thing (and I think a first for a talking head of someone else in his vids!)
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Least Weasel 4/11/2023 1:16 pm
I wish I had seen him talk in Durham
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 7:59 pm
@here Hey, I don't do this often but I'm looking for pledges to help buy an unreleased game and dump it. Last time I did this I had to go public to get enough funds and the games ended up going for more than they were worth, so I'm keeping things close to the chest now. It's completely unreleased anywhere, for NES, and by notable creators. Looking for pre-pledges so I know what to bid - if I win I'll hit you up after the fact for reimbursement, if I lose you don't have to do anything. DM me if interested, thanks!
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 5/11/2023 8:08 pm
I wish I had the kind of money where i could make such a pledge right now - good luck though
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I cant complain about my life, but in US dollars I am very poor, I wish the best luck tho
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 8:17 pm
battletoads
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ok get ready for some heartache, unrelated to the above
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this prototype cartridge for the unremarkable "ultimate air combat" used to house the lost NES version of Space Ace
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 5/11/2023 8:19 pm
Oof
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Dylan Mansfield 5/11/2023 8:19 pm
Nooo
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Nate Lockhart 5/11/2023 8:20 pm
Well poop
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 8:20 pm
this is the first confirmation that it was ever on the contintent though? that's news
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DarkSol 5/11/2023 8:21 pm
when exactly would need any kind of monies? like i dont get paid until thursday and i am very close to being broke right now.
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 8:22 pm
oh I've got enough to cover it in my savings, so this is just "pay me back when you can" honor system really
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when exactly would need any kind of monies? like i dont get paid until thursday and i am very close to being broke right now.
I wouldn't experience financial hardship over an unreleased NES game, personally.
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DarkSol 5/11/2023 8:22 pm
well, ill be fine once i get paid.
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 8:22 pm
also that, yeah
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DarkSol 5/11/2023 8:22 pm
I just had a weird confluence of expenses this last month
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Frank Cifaldi 5/11/2023 8:23 pm
so, this makes me wonder if Activision was evaluating the game? ultimate air combat is from them
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maybe elite sent them a demo rom
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@here Hey, I don't do this often but I'm looking for pledges to help buy an unreleased game and dump it. Last time I did this I had to go public to get enough funds and the games ended up going for more than they were worth, so I'm keeping things close to the chest now. It's completely unreleased anywhere, for NES, and by notable creators. Looking for pre-pledges so I know what to bid - if I win I'll hit you up after the fact for reimbursement, if I lose you don't have to do anything. DM me if interested, thanks!
Least Weasel 5/11/2023 9:37 pm
I'll do what I can
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Jason Scott 5/11/2023 11:09 pm
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Happy Day That Adding the Internet Arcade made the entire Internet Archive crash and then double its traffic day to all who celebrate.
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Least Weasel 6/11/2023 1:09 am
My god -- how long before this thing gets squashed?
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Jason Scott 6/11/2023 2:15 am
So.... a while
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h a p p y w i d e m o n t h to 300+ of our 'mystery' vintage video game mag subscribers (https://the-video-game-history-foundation.myshopify.com/products/blind-box-vintage-game-magazine-subscription) from the VGHF! ↘️ Quoting alex dickinson (@the_bum) With the Sega Dreamcast being my favorite console this is an amazing delivery @GameHistory...
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(btw only the '00s and ''surprise me!' tiers of the subscription got wide mags, cos we didn't have a ton of '90s wide ones.)
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Ballz / NewsFedora 6/11/2023 2:40 am
Love the insert you made for it. Maybe November can be your annual wide month
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No Narrow November
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we have about 70 wides packaged and ready to go for another time, so hopefully so!
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/11/2023 3:40 am
Yep, it was circulatin' at that time.
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Least Weasel 6/11/2023 6:49 pm
Is the McDonalds in Lunar Lander?
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I know it's in Moonlander... but is it in the Atari cabinet?
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 6/11/2023 6:58 pm
No. They didn't have time to put it in.
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Least Weasel 6/11/2023 9:00 pm
Sorry Kate -- read the rest of your article only to discover what Ethan said at the end.
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Should have done my research first
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Frank Cifaldi 8/11/2023 11:58 pm
library in Green Bay is asking if there are any local video game historians who might come give a talk at a public library about video games, I'm coming up blank, I don't know anyone out there. thought I'd poll the room!
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Jason Scott 9/11/2023 12:00 am
When
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 12:00 am
event in january is all I have
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 9/11/2023 12:06 am
Like Wisconsin? I'm near enough to there.
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 12:10 am
yeah that one
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Marty Goldberg is a Milwaukee person.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/11/2023 2:50 am
Going through my files prepping for an interview tomorrow, and I think this might be one of the first video game reviews? From 1973
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back side
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Phil Salvador 9/11/2023 7:15 am
Oh wow yeah
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Nice! That reminds me, I found some pretty early mentions of the Odyssey locally! And it seems, like the first tutorials for a make your own TV tennis were largely inspired by it. There was a strong maker subculture in Czechoslovakia through the 60-80s. And I am actually gonna have my first academic outing at Digra Italia on this topic with my college teacher 🙂
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this has 15 hours of audio commentary in it, whee
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Least Weasel 9/11/2023 3:53 pm
Did Jonathan Blow ever get -- ok?
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 3:53 pm
I helped on this, I moderated and recorded David Hellman for about 10 hours across three days. Really weirdly, surprisingly exhausting work, it felt like I was in therapy for three straight days
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Idk much about Jon other than his weird tweets but David's great
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Mike Bentley 9/11/2023 3:54 pm
I went back to Braid a few years ago and was a little confused what I found so charming about it in 2008
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 3:56 pm
We found some really awesome old art of his and pieced some great stuff together showing how it progressed
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Mike Bentley 9/11/2023 3:56 pm
but I could see myself playing an anniversary edition
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 3:57 pm
If nothing else walking through and hearing this commentary should be fun, plus I'm probably in it a little
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Hard not to be cynical re: Jonathan blow stuff, but that comment in the trailer about game design and programming insights has me interested
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 3:58 pm
I didn't wanna be but sometimes you had to hear my prompts for David to make sense, plus he wanted to keep some of our goofing
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Was there any ai upscaling with the new assets? The art style kinda inherently looks like ai art so it’s hard to tell 😂
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 3:58 pm
No AI, he slaved over it (edited)
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Idk anything about the programming insight stuff but the art talk was good!!! Or I just enjoyed talking to my friend idk
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Looks like a really high quality rerelease—had a good time with braid back in the golden days of XBLA, looking forward to this
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this looks wild
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch
Going through my files prepping for an interview tomorrow, and I think this might be one of the first video game reviews? From 1973
Ethan Whitted 9/11/2023 4:58 pm
Wow, what a good find!
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You should claim it is true until someone proves you otherwise 😛
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oh they added turn frames
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so much attn to detail in a way you never really see for remasters
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 5:00 pm
Yeah bunch of new frames, lots of things you don't notice unless you switch back and forth
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He also has a landing animation now from falling
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that's neat!
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Frank Cifaldi
Yeah bunch of new frames, lots of things you don't notice unless you switch back and forth
This is such a great feature—was halo the first to do this? Maybe popularize it, at least
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 5:01 pm
Monkey Island is the first I remember
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Oh right…did not like guybrush’s new hair, so I appreciated that 😅
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Frank Cifaldi 9/11/2023 5:02 pm
But annoyingly all they had for the old version was the VGA art, so you switched between two different art remasters
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yeah I remember that
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still way way way prefer the VGA art in that remaster, but it'd be nice to have the EGA ver. Oh well
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/11/2023 5:21 pm
EGA Erasure
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 9/11/2023 6:06 pm
trying to remember when R-Type Dimensions came out, if that was before or after the Monkey Islands
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probably after
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 9/11/2023 6:23 pm
I want to say it was around 08?
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apparently 2009
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Going to get it purely for the commentary stuff. The updated high resolution assets look fantastic.
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Hi folks, we're having a Game Studies Launch event at University of Toronto Mississauga on November 9th to celebrate the acquisitions of our game-related collections--Syd Bolton Collection, PC Museum, and Electric Playground--and our new Game Studies minor program. We've put together an exciting panel for the public forum portion of the event. I know folks here probably won't attend the in-person event, but the registration page includes a virtual option if its of interest. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/utm-game-studies-launch-tickets-740368310547?aff=oddtdtcreator
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Watching this now!
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(missed the first half hour)
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Phil Salvador 9/11/2023 9:49 pm
Yaaaay they mentioned our study! I missed it but saw it on the transcript, was that Victor Lucas?
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Did the VGHF Research Library acquire de-accessioned, bound ex-Smithsonian copies of early computer magazine Kilobaud Microcomputing? Absolutely! Do they have early video game ads in them? (Also yes!)
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Mike Bentley 10/11/2023 12:39 am
I've got plenty of de-accessioned books
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including my 26 or so volumes of the Grove Dictionary of Art
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Frank Cifaldi 10/11/2023 1:07 am
we have a crazy high res render screenshot from a silent hill 1 cutscene, I need everyone to see how good this game would look if restored from the original files (probably long gone)
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 10/11/2023 1:07 am
"Good". But I get the point.
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Whoa
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Phil Salvador 10/11/2023 3:40 am
Okay now I can share the amazing piece of merchandise I got
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I LOVE MY SON
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I had no idea they even made a plushie Mr. Domino
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I love him
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Phil Salvador 10/11/2023 3:53 am
He is perfect
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Ohh!!
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Phil Salvador 10/11/2023 4:12 am
My birthday present to myself
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 10/11/2023 5:01 am
how did you stop him? 😛
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Phil Salvador 10/11/2023 6:14 am
He stopped for ME
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Phil Salvador
Yaaaay they mentioned our study! I missed it but saw it on the transcript, was that Victor Lucas?
chrisjyoung 10/11/2023 1:25 pm
Yes, that was Victor Lucas! I'll be putting up a recording at some point and share it. It's not great video quality, but the audio is decent
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we have a crazy high res render screenshot from a silent hill 1 cutscene, I need everyone to see how good this game would look if restored from the original files (probably long gone)
They might be around still. Climax received a handful of assets from the first four games when they were working on Origins in 2006/2007
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Distribution of Arcade Archives SHAO-LIN'S ROAD has started and we have achieved 350 consecutive weeks of distribution. 🎉 6 years and 8 months have passed since the release date of Nintendo Switch on March 3, 2017. We have been able to distribute every week without fail. 🎊 Thank you to everyone who supported us! 🐹 http://hamster.co.jp/america...
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Frank Cifaldi
we have a crazy high res render screenshot from a silent hill 1 cutscene, I need everyone to see how good this game would look if restored from the original files (probably long gone)
Ethan Whitted 10/11/2023 7:10 pm
Yo what the heck. That's impressive.
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Kate Willært 10/11/2023 7:18 pm
Apparently Adobe finally gave in, and webp files finally open normally in Photoshop
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 12:53 pm
Ah R.I.P., I didn't raise enough pledges for this. It was an original Konami game for the Famicom from their golden age, totally unique https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d1112584940
未発売のゲームソフト【バトルチョイス】のサンプルです!幻のファミコン(ファミリーコンピュータ)のカセットゲームサンプルの出品です!動作品です^_^この機会に是非♪他にもサンプル2本出品致しました!よろしくお願いします!
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I got about $8k in pledges and doubled it with my savings but it wasn't enough (it's just one little bid over mine, but I wasn't about to play the back and forth game)
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 12:55 pm
the guy's other protos are getting some attention now too, higher than I expected
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Wow 16k is a lot of dough
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 12:56 pm
does anyone know btw if this the highest priced unreleased game since Magical Kid Indy?
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 12:56 pm
Battlefields of Napoleon was I think $27k to a random crypto guy
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 12:57 pm
ugh I'm going to guess they weren't totally aware of that just being a localization and just spent the money cuz they could
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 12:57 pm
I don't think it mattered, it was an unreleased game and it had all the submission art etc
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 12:57 pm
oh yeah, I forgot about that extra stuff
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 12:58 pm
I forget what Scanner did I think in the $20k neighborhood (edited)
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SimCity was $15k privately
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I guess for VGHF, you could resell it and get most of the funds back
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 1:00 pm
Scanner and Napoleon were my "fault" because I publicly raised pledges and drew attention to them but I can't be blamed for this one!
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We don't own SimCity if that's what you mean
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Nah just high amount purchases in general.
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 1:01 pm
And I doubt it would be most, I'd guess 1/3 on a good day
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Once it's dumped the value is gone
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Weird
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 1:02 pm
I'm relieved it wasn't a game I personally cared about at least, whatever consolation that is if you ignore the historical signifiance ;p
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it looked like a lower tier in quality compared to their other work anyway
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this is essentially a "bitch you ugly anyways" cope but yeah
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That's like the best possible scenario
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 1:06 pm
I'm honestly impressed that got so low since I would assume people with money eye HA like hawks now
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 1:06 pm
Oh his other protos in that auction did GREAT
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I'm demonstrating that a dumped unreleased game is not valuable to a collector
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 1:08 pm
ooh is this Adam Harvey aka Buyatari?
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 1:08 pm
Yeah
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billscat-socks 11/11/2023 1:09 pm
I didnt know he was selling so much, I remember him seemingly having a horde of CD protos, guess he finally found a reason to unload them
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I used to want his Clayfighter Extreme so bad until that finally appeared in Deluge
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Frank Cifaldi
Ah R.I.P., I didn't raise enough pledges for this. It was an original Konami game for the Famicom from their golden age, totally unique https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d1112584940
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Phil Salvador 11/11/2023 8:44 pm
I want to go back through our sample and see how many games have been delisted since we compiled our data. OOF https://www.antstream.com/post/that-s-all-folks-an-antstream-arcade-farewell-to-warner-bros
Word on the streets is that Warner Bros is leaving Antstream Arcade, but for every game, there is an alternative...
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No deal will ever be in perpetuity ever again
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Phil Salvador 11/11/2023 8:49 pm
Except the deal that got Duke Nukem 3D on ZOOM Platform (edited)
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Phil Salvador 11/11/2023 9:17 pm
(I don't actually know what happened there but I assume there was an in-perpetuity deal because that's the only place you can still get old versions of DN3D)
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 9:27 pm
I think they're only pulling 23 titles so it would be pretty remarkable if our sampling caught more than 1 or 2
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We'd also have to look at everything they added since the study was published
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Phil Salvador 11/11/2023 9:39 pm
True
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Frank Cifaldi 11/11/2023 10:08 pm
I think it might be fun to turn this around and show how little of their theoretical catalog 23 was to begin with
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But not in a way that pisses them off bc I'm literally hoping to license something from them for a fundraiser release
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Except the deal that got Duke Nukem 3D on ZOOM Platform (edited)
I never heard of this platform but your mention of it and now this random article I'd been reading both dropped it in the span of 2 hours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Time_(video_game)
Killing Time is a horror-themed first-person shooter video game developed by Studio 3DO. Originally an exclusive for their 3DO Interactive Multiplayer console, it was later remade for the Windows platform in 1996 by Logicware and for the Macintosh after the 3DO system was discontinued. On July 23, 2015, ZOOM Platform announced the release of an ...
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Phil Salvador 11/11/2023 11:29 pm
They've made some weird/interesting retro game publishing moves. I think they were technically the publishers on the Rocket Science games that came out again a few months ago?
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:32 am
Pretty rare patron-only post by me about that game auction https://www.patreon.com/posts/preserving-nes-92716586
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yeah I think you just need to let those go, but also thats 8k from people who want to contribute to something
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:36 am
Yeah! Lesson learned is that the private list worked as intended
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did you actually contact the list or just use the total? i assume theres some who would flake but easily covered by others
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:41 am
Contact, yes. Pre-pledges only, I don't take money until it's over, and I cover upfront myself
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I took flakes into account with some "I'll publicly ask after the fact" buffer
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i guess that means I am not on the list 😹
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:42 am
Ouch, that it was missing by about $7
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I've been there with Japanese auction sites before, since bidding from the US using a proxy site or something introduces lag that makes you weak to sniping
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:43 am
Well the $7 is just how Yahoo works, you can just keep incrementally bidding forever like a real life auction and it will go indefinitely
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if its like ebay, what you lost by isnt what you could have gotten it for
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:43 am
Oh so you know I bet
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/11/2023 12:43 am
Right, god knows how high this would actually have gone
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Well the $7 is just how Yahoo works, you can just keep incrementally bidding forever like a real life auction and it will go indefinitely
Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:44 am
Ah, so it just hit the highest you could bid for?
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:44 am
I sniped my max, I could have maybe won if I just kept going back and forth with this person until they gave up
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:44 am
Fair
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:44 am
Maybe next time
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:44 am
I could never imagine spending that kind of money on something xD
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i think it is better you didnt win, unless you were expecting to resell for 80-90%
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:45 am
I wasn't but it didn't matter, it was all smaller pledges. And the list was actually people who put up for Scanner and Napoleon last year, I could try expanding it!
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its easier to imagine when it is someone elses money 😉
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:45 am
(I also tagged all here a few days ago and you didn't reply!)
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:46 am
Oh, I wouldn't have been able to help; I saw the post, but I literally can't xD
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:46 am
Oh I meant @bunnyboy saying he wasn't on the list!
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:47 am
Aaaah
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Someday, though, I know I'll have to try saving up a bunch, or if my Playstation preservation stuff gets big enough for me to be able to get donations to help with it, for some of the rarer PlayStation stuff.
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Like the 10mil system or the prototypes.
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there is plenty of valuable stuff you can do which takes time instead of money
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 12:50 am
I know; I'm doing them atm actually xD (finishing dumping my PS1 games, making spreadsheets, etc.)
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I have years worth of content I can do. It's just doing it that's the hard part.
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something I know absolutely nothing about!
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You didn't lose by $7, frank
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That is bad narrative and people won't understand. I'll bet the collector would have done $25k
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But I'll drop in next time.
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 12:59 am
I explained that I thought?
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 1:02 am
Imagine. Having the level of fuck you money as an individual collector to be able to just... drop that one something.
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Whenever I see what stuff goes for at proper auction houses I just... waffle between the uber leftie part of me screaming Viva La Revolution and the other part of me just thinking... that must be nice. xD
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it only seems like tons because it is a field you know. there are plenty of people who spend that much on car parts but you just dont see it
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 1:05 am
Not anyone of my socio-economic status xD
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never seen a car on blocks in a front yard? 🙂
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Miss Scarlet Tanager 12/11/2023 1:16 am
Even my friend's who've had project cars have never dropped $16k on a single piece of those cars xD
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... in fact, I've only ever had one friend who had a project car, I think. And he never spent near that much on it, especially at once.
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Other than that, no way. Closest is friend who have bought a car new, and I can only think of a couple who have. But the usefulness, utility, or necessity of a car is a lot different than an old one of a kind game cart.
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Point being, I could never imagine dropping that much on anything short of a downpayment for a house xD
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(As an individual, I totally get places like museums doing it)
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Frank Cifaldi
I explained that I thought?
Jason Scott 12/11/2023 1:46 am
I just mean even mentioning $7
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Certain brains will fall for gambler's fallacy
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You got my grand next time, frank
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 4:28 am
Thanks! And yeah that's fair feedback, it was worth more explanation for sure
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 12/11/2023 6:29 pm
I wonder if there is a way for us to know if the people we are bidding against online are also part of a preservation society
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 12/11/2023 6:47 pm
I mean that's just communication, which Frank has down fine
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seems like by this time anyone dropping that much money on these things already knows everyone else, or chooses not to.
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 6:54 pm
If it's for "putting the ROM online" purposes yes (but also idk that anyone but me rounds up this much money for that?)
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Like literally has there been a five figure group fundraiser that wasn't mine? I can't think of one
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Mine capped out at like $2500 back in the day
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 12/11/2023 7:09 pm
hard to know everyone in the collector space who'd be willing to throw that kind of money around nowadays given how many folks are coming at this stuff from other collecting scenes
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like how I don't think anyone knew who ended up with that alternative texas chainsaw massacre 2600 prototype simply because the winner was a TCM collector, not an atari collector
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Jason Scott 12/11/2023 7:18 pm
Ask the dumping union what the records are.
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 7:54 pm
I wrote this on Patreon (I think?) but I do not believe Western investor types are on to Famicom
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I think this is the Magic Kid Indy situation again
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Or a single bonkers Konami person
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Jeff | bdjeffyp 12/11/2023 10:41 pm
After all of this, I am kinda bummed that I didn’t pitch in more. However, thinking on it, I feel like it wouldn’t have mattered since the other bidder probably would have just out bid us anyway?
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 10:42 pm
Yeah I agree with that
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Frank Cifaldi 12/11/2023 10:56 pm
I think next time I'm actually hunkering down and doing small bids and trying to win the war that way
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Ethan Whitted 13/11/2023 2:03 am
Bummer situation.
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Nice to meet you, I am Japanese. I have a few unreleased or canceled games. I also bid on Battle Choice and heard about Frank Cifaldi and all of you. I came in third. I won the other two samples from the same seller as a commemorative bid. Just as well, I had over $16,000 in funds, but my father was hospitalized and I had to back out this time to pay for his treatment. I would have been happy to just get the data, so the next time you have an opportunity like this, if you are a little short (about $600) or something like that, please let me know. I will be happy to help. However, if a Japanese person asks me to cooperate, I may try to win the bid together with the Japanese. I hope you will forgive me then. Now, if you'll excuse me. I hope you will accept me as a friend.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 13/11/2023 6:54 am
Welcome. 🙇‍♂️ I hope your father is doing better now
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Thank you very much. My father is getting better.😆
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There is so little contact with the Japanese side. Glad you found your way here! Will you be dumping the other two samples?
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It's also the first time I'm meeting people from other countries, so I'd appreciate any information about unreleased software from overseas. The remaining two dumps are planned. However, my guess is that the game data will be the same as the retail version. Usually, we ship pre-production products as samples before full production.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 13/11/2023 3:37 pm
are there any specific game platforms you're interested in for unreleased software? There are a lot
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Since I'm an old man, I have a collection of platform games that I played as a child. NES(famicom)SNES(SFC)GB... (edited)
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Since I'm an old man, I have a collection of platform games that I played as a child. NES(famicom)SNES(SFC)GB... (edited)
Frank Cifaldi 13/11/2023 4:30 pm
Hi, welcome! I would be happy to share information I have about unreleased NES software. I have been involved in finding these games and putting them online for almost 25 years now and have found many of them. Most of this I have done privately, but the VGHF has officially been involved in some as well, most famously SimCity: https://gamehistory.org/simcity/
The Super Nintendo classic started life on the 8-bit NES. That version was considered lost...until now.
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Nice to meet you, I am Japanese. I have a few unreleased or canceled games. I also bid on Battle Choice and heard about Frank Cifaldi and all of you. I came in third. I won the other two samples from the same seller as a commemorative bid. Just as well, I had over $16,000 in funds, but my father was hospitalized and I had to back out this time to pay for his treatment. I would have been happy to just get the data, so the next time you have an opportunity like this, if you are a little short (about $600) or something like that, please let me know. I will be happy to help. However, if a Japanese person asks me to cooperate, I may try to win the bid together with the Japanese. I hope you will forgive me then. Now, if you'll excuse me. I hope you will accept me as a friend.
Ethan Whitted 13/11/2023 6:27 pm
Good to meet you! So glad you were able to find your way here! It's so great to see collaboration with others from non-European countries because we're so disconnected!
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Hi, welcome! I would be happy to share information I have about unreleased NES software. I have been involved in finding these games and putting them online for almost 25 years now and have found many of them. Most of this I have done privately, but the VGHF has officially been involved in some as well, most famously SimCity: https://gamehistory.org/simcity/
Nice to meet you! I found out about you after I gave up bidding. Best regards! I have...Saturn's unreleased game Sakura Wars (Chinese version), Tom and Jerry 2 for SFC(SNES)... I have. There are a few others. I was really interested in sim city on NES!
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Good to meet you! So glad you were able to find your way here! It's so great to see collaboration with others from non-European countries because we're so disconnected!
Thank you very much! I am looking forward to working with you.
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Nice to meet you! I found out about you after I gave up bidding. Best regards! I have...Saturn's unreleased game Sakura Wars (Chinese version), Tom and Jerry 2 for SFC(SNES)... I have. There are a few others. I was really interested in sim city on NES!
Frank Cifaldi 14/11/2023 12:34 am
Tom & Jerry 2 is so interesting, with the huge sprites!
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Arrived.
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/11/2023 2:50 am
That's very cool! I know it's not the focus of the picture, but I didn't know those kinds of cases existed for Famicom cartridges. I wonder if anybody in the USA has some for sale; I have a handful of games that could use them.
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billscat-socks 14/11/2023 4:07 am
I used to own a Tom and Jerry 2 cartridge myself, I'm surprised how many copies of that showed up in the past few years
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it was bye-for-byte the same later build that drx released on his site some years back
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haha, I'm not surprised those games arrived already, Japan's mail service is the fastest I've ever experienced
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That's very cool! I know it's not the focus of the picture, but I didn't know those kinds of cases existed for Famicom cartridges. I wonder if anybody in the USA has some for sale; I have a handful of games that could use them.
In the past, the Japanese NES (Famicom) market was bustling with second-hand sales. Often, the original packaging was discarded, leaving only the cartridges. As a result, used game shops and toy manufacturers began selling protective cases and stands for the console. These stores also created custom cases for resale. The Mario Kart case, for example, was produced by a second-hand store named Famicom House. Therefore, even today, many unsold cases from 30 years ago can be found at auctions and in second-hand stores:)
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 14/11/2023 5:15 am
Oh! They're so much fancier than the cases I see from American shops of the time.
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I have a few examples on my shelf. They're not very nice. They can protect the games, but half of them don't stay closed, and you can't see the game through the plastic.
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I used to own a Tom and Jerry 2 cartridge myself, I'm surprised how many copies of that showed up in the past few years
It is rumored that if Tom and Jerry 2 had been released, it would have been by Altron. However, even when I inquired with a former Altron employee, they were unsure of which development company was commissioned for it. Despite being leaked, it remains a fascinating piece of software with many details still shrouded in mystery
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Jason Scott 14/11/2023 5:20 am
Give this guy a channel
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I also collect American products, but because of their different shapes, I often struggle with storage. Both the NES and SNES have angular designs, which I actually like 🙂
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https://www.youtube.com/@Gamers-kv1ud I once got permission to borrow games for streaming, although I couldn't reveal the source of the leak. I did videos for about two games. They were Sega Saturn games. There are others, but I can't discuss the ones I don't own in public. Sorry about that.
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billscat-socks 14/11/2023 10:01 am
I'm impressed how good your English is, and you even contacted a former employee who worked on the Tom and Jerry game? you're more of a hardcore prototype collector than many other Japanese collectors I've seen 🙂
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https://www.youtube.com/@Gamers-kv1ud I once got permission to borrow games for streaming, although I couldn't reveal the source of the leak. I did videos for about two games. They were Sega Saturn games. There are others, but I can't discuss the ones I don't own in public. Sorry about that.
billscat-socks 14/11/2023 10:04 am
That's your channel? So someone who owns Monica's Castle let you play it for your channel? That's pretty amazing, actually
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Japanese collectors must trust each other pretty well lol
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Yeah, it is really great. Even footage is preservation!
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Yes, it's my channel. It's actually a subchannel. The owner happens to be a friend of mine. I also know people who have non-commercial software related to Hudson and Nintendo, and they will lend it to me if I ask. It was necessary to build up a relationship of trust. The Japanese community is pretty closed off, but if you can get in, you'll have a chance to play games that haven't been leaked at all. Monica's Castle has three characters. I've only completed the game with one character so far, but it seems you need to complete all three to get to the final stage. What I played was a prototype disk version of the final product. Since it probably includes the ending, I plan to play through the remaining two characters next time to see the ending.
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Changing the subject, but the Rampart sample cartridge appears to be authentic.
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Yes, it's my channel. It's actually a subchannel. The owner happens to be a friend of mine. I also know people who have non-commercial software related to Hudson and Nintendo, and they will lend it to me if I ask. It was necessary to build up a relationship of trust. The Japanese community is pretty closed off, but if you can get in, you'll have a chance to play games that haven't been leaked at all. Monica's Castle has three characters. I've only completed the game with one character so far, but it seems you need to complete all three to get to the final stage. What I played was a prototype disk version of the final product. Since it probably includes the ending, I plan to play through the remaining two characters next time to see the ending.
It is fascinating and great that you built up such a relationship. If I may, please, just ask them to dump their games or offer to do it for them. Not release, but at least have a digital copy in case of bitrot, mold or even a emergency. Every one of a kind game should be backed up ASAP
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Frank Cifaldi 14/11/2023 3:05 pm
@Inouye what technique do you use to open Famicom cartridges?
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hi Inouye, if you find Satellaview or 64DD stuff to dump, feel free to talk to me I'll help you out 🙂
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I worked with Satellaview stuff for like more than 10 years
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and 64DD it's going to be 10 years next year lol
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Frank Cifaldi
@Inouye what technique do you use to open Famicom cartridges?
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This is an effective way to open a Nintendo shell. I use a special tool for this. It's designed to press down on the glued areas. First remove the rubber part, then apply pressure around the area where the clips are on the side near the label face, being careful not to press on the seam itself. This will compress the clips, slightly warp the sleeve, and create a gap. You can then insert a flathead screwdriver into the gap and gently lift toward the label side of the case to open it. I'm not fluent in English, so I apologize if my explanation isn't clear.
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I'm sure this method would work well for Konami cartridges and such, but I'd like to do some more testing. I don't recommend opening Namco cases because the center column will break.
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Frank Cifaldi 14/11/2023 9:24 pm
This explanation is better written than versions I have seen by native English speakers so thank you, I use a similar tool but I never remember the particulars about how to use a flat object to pry it open
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Frank Cifaldi pinned a message to this channel. 14/11/2023 9:24 pm
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Interesting about the rubber part, i'll have to try that without that. Been using the exact same tool recently to pop em open.
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Jeremy Seith 15/11/2023 3:22 am
oh happy birthday frank (edited)
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Frank Cifaldi 15/11/2023 5:06 am
Oh my birthday was way back in May but thank you!
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Ballz / NewsFedora 15/11/2023 6:18 am
Check to see what the one other pinned message is in this channel lol
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Those cake emojis ain’t cheap…thanks @Jeremy Seith
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izzy (she/her) 15/11/2023 2:56 pm
happy belated birthday frank
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kory
Those cake emojis ain’t cheap…thanks @Jeremy Seith
Jeremy Seith 15/11/2023 3:49 pm
just swipe his costco card, make a birthday fort in a storage unit out of sheet cakes (edited)
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Jeremy Seith
just swipe his costco card, make a birthday fort in a storage unit out of sheet cakes (edited)
Need to find more uses for that walk-in freezer!
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If anyone for whatever reason finds themselves at IAPPA, I'm there for the next day or so!
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Jeremy Seith 15/11/2023 4:19 pm
that means you're not far from junior columbian burger
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If anyone for whatever reason finds themselves at IAPPA, I'm there for the next day or so!
Phil Salvador 15/11/2023 4:38 pm
You mean you're not coming to this meeting we have in 20 minutes?
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And are instead of looking at cool theme park stuff?
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For shame
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Poor me
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Making sacrifices
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It is fascinating and great that you built up such a relationship. If I may, please, just ask them to dump their games or offer to do it for them. Not release, but at least have a digital copy in case of bitrot, mold or even a emergency. Every one of a kind game should be backed up ASAP
Ethan Whitted 15/11/2023 7:45 pm
Yeah, I second the request that hopefully we could get a dump of these games to make sure they're preserved digitally even if something one day happens to the cartridge themselves!
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I’ll drop this one hah
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Probably hard to tell who it is
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Frank Cifaldi 15/11/2023 10:18 pm
doesn't look like him but my mental database of "guy with that approximate hairline who might still go to amusement shows who andrew borman thinks this discord would recognize" is going Eugene Jarvis
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Bingo haha
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You actually had the exact thought of how I thought people might recognize him too
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Briefly saw George Petro going the other way
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Frank Cifaldi 15/11/2023 10:21 pm
wow I win
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/11/2023 10:26 pm
My buddy Eugene!
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Is this the only game they're showing? I still have been holding my tongue on what I saw at the Raw Thrills factory
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This one is made by Adrenaline!
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I didn’t get a great look the Raw Thrills stuff, lots of Fast and Furious
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Lots of Godzilla VR too
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Lots of Godzilla VR too
Ethan Johnson (Play History) 15/11/2023 10:32 pm
That's the one.
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This should go in the litterbox
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It’s a prototype, but yes those are buttons
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Phil Salvador 15/11/2023 11:16 pm
Is that one of those speed punching games like Kung Fu Panda
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It’s a prototype, but yes those are buttons
Least Weasel 16/11/2023 1:14 am
That's not going in the book 🙅‍♀️
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...they do kind of give off a SF1 pressure button vibe tho
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 16/11/2023 2:24 am
Before you is a house. A large house. A house of creaky floors. A house of long corridors. A house of dust caked carpets and candle smoke stains, stretching along the walls like grimy fingers. A house that no living thing should ever enter. Yet here you are.  Are you brave enough? Welcome to… MANSION. MANSION is filled
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Jenn Frank is doing part of this so you know it’ll be good
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Instant buy when I saw it pop up
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Jeremy Seith 16/11/2023 7:46 am
monster milker
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Annoying thing that I'm wondering if people here have run into: I was looking into the game Lethal Company, but the devlogs are all on Patreon, so you can't read any of them without paying.
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Frank Cifaldi
doesn't look like him but my mental database of "guy with that approximate hairline who might still go to amusement shows who andrew borman thinks this discord would recognize" is going Eugene Jarvis
Ethan Whitted 17/11/2023 8:32 pm
Glad you have that mental database maintained and up to date 😄
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Konami's trippy 1990 ad for Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse on NES includes a competition to win a trip for 4 to 'Dracula's Castle in Transylvania' - or at least, Bran Castle in Romania, which markets itself as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_Castle
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this art goes hard
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it does
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Lance - "VGHF Merch Collector" 18/11/2023 3:14 am
There's a japanese collector and author who is showcasing some of his prototypes in Osaka to commemorate the newest release of his book. It doesn't look like it will be live streamed though. Maybe someone will get footage https://www.rockman-corner.com/2023/11/collector-to-showcase-various-rockman.html
To commemorate the recent release of his latest book, Not For Resale Guidebook GOLD , author and collector Jironosuke will be showcasing a ...
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That feeling when you're sending an email to an old email address and you want to type enough to get someone's attention, but you don't want to spend an hour typing only for it to bounce back or just go into the darkness, never to be heard from again...
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 18/11/2023 3:49 am
I’ve informed a friend in Osaka about it at the least, maybe it’ll be possible to get some impressions of the event
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Jason Scott 18/11/2023 4:00 am
In in osaka
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All I wish for is the Mega Man 8 prototype that had screenshots in EGM issue 83
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This one
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This is maybe one of my favorite EGM issues...
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Just give me a Mega Man that looks like this again, Capcom, I beg of you
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So sick of 8bit Mega Man. 11 was ok but I kinda wish it borrowed more from 8 than the earlier games (edited)
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Mike Bentley 18/11/2023 12:32 pm
Interesting, I recall that the (still in power in 1990) Communist regime was very against the whole Dracula tourism industry
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Dracula tourism has a Wikipedia page! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_tourism
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(with some info on that.)
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$10 to whomever can put me in contact with Jim Yee of Xanth Software F/X. 😄
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Uncle Bob
$10 to whomever can put me in contact with Jim Yee of Xanth Software F/X. 😄
Dylan Mansfield 18/11/2023 7:16 pm
I’ll add $50. I’ve talked to pretty much all of the main Xanth people and no one seems to know what became of him. (edited)
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@Dylan Mansfield That's the boat I'm in. "decades" was used to describe it. 😭 I can't afford $50, I just sank another $250 into hardware for this project. 🤣
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Dylan Mansfield 18/11/2023 7:23 pm
Xanth turned into a studio in Vancouver called Intersoft sometime after Faceball 2000 released.
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They did some prototypes but nothing was finished. They shut down circa 1993.
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Apparently, Yee had some health problems around that time, which might've contributed a little to its demise.
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I've never heard this Intersoft thread!
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Dylan Mansfield 18/11/2023 7:27 pm
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Ugh. There's an Intersoft Technologies LTD out of Vancouver now. That makes it hard.
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I'm guessing reaching out to him is a dead end for Jim's info then. 🤣
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I’ll add $50. I’ve talked to pretty much all of the main Xanth people and no one seems to know what became of him. (edited)
Tim McConnell 18/11/2023 8:47 pm
Robert Champagne, Michael Park, and George Miller?
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Tim McConnell
Robert Champagne, Michael Park, and George Miller?
Dylan Mansfield 18/11/2023 8:50 pm
Robert, Michael, the original Xanth store owner, and pretty much most of the Intersoft-era developers.
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I have not tracked down George Miller, not sure if anyone has. https://discord.com/channels/282667034125271040/282667034125271040/1082728449711554651
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Tim McConnell 18/11/2023 8:51 pm
Then he really dropped off the map!
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Frank Cifaldi 18/11/2023 8:55 pm
Yeah come to think of it I haven't heard about him since Mad Max Fury Road
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Yeah come to think of it I haven't heard about him since Mad Max Fury Road
Dylan Mansfield 18/11/2023 8:58 pm
"If you put a gun to my head and said, 'You have to come up with a story for the next Faceball game,' I’d say shoot me." (edited)
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Keeping the last 50 years of games alive for the next 50 is an awful lot of work.
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Phil Salvador 19/11/2023 3:51 am
I'm listening to this now and I'm enjoying it because it's an outside perspective (even though I'm frustrated by the "emulation vs preservation" conversation hahaha)
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Frank Cifaldi 19/11/2023 3:52 am
vaguely remembering having to explain that now that you mention it
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Least Weasel 19/11/2023 10:39 pm
The VCR explanation was soooo good
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Kate Willært 20/11/2023 5:32 pm
Interesting
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Nice, I love that stuff
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 21/11/2023 6:06 pm
my new poster for the 30th Anniversary of Myst, available over at the Cyan store (link in the source and the comments)! This imagery has been indelibly inscribed on the inside of my eyelids since I w…
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Phil Salvador 21/11/2023 6:12 pm
Oooooooh
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Need to make some tough choices about dropping 75 big boys on this
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Daniel Greenberg (Winterion) 21/11/2023 7:19 pm
I agonized over some of the merch and decided against. Figured Babycrab proooobably wants something for Xmas other than "looking at his dad wearing a Cyan hat and drinking from a Myst mug."
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Phil Salvador 21/11/2023 7:28 pm
Created by a fan during his first play through of Riven, this clever shirt MIGHT call up all the feels as you reminisce about all the notes you took the first time you played Riven too! Filled with nods to the various flora and fauna of Riven, if you look closely enough it also holds a few (spoiler alert!) clues and an
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Mike Bentley 21/11/2023 8:25 pm
now that I'm older and possibly smarter I should play Myst
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I was definitely not smart enough for it as a kid
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it holds up
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until the sound caves
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until the sound caves
Corwin "weasel" Brence 21/11/2023 11:54 pm
a thing a lot of folks miss, is that there is an answer key to the sound caves in another age
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so long as you're paying attention
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because the fortress rotation simulator in the mechanical age makes the same sounds
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I'm sure I'm late to the party on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBCYvoC4muc&t=142s
Least Weasel 22/11/2023 12:16 pm
Late or not that's frickin' cool
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Good morning everyone
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Least Weasel 22/11/2023 4:09 pm
Good morning!
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Good morning! zpraisethesun
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Frank Cifaldi 22/11/2023 4:21 pm
Hi!
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izzy (she/her) 22/11/2023 4:46 pm
hello
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Dylan Mansfield 22/11/2023 4:50 pm
howdy
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Phil Salvador 22/11/2023 5:01 pm
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Least Weasel 22/11/2023 5:02 pm
Phil wins
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
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Hey Twitter followers! We've got some fun game history treats lined up for the holiday season, but it's getting harder and harder to be seen around here. Help us stay in touch by heading over to http://GameHistory.org and signing up for our email list!
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maybe not all of you are signed up to this email list (different from Patreon etc.)
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Oh nice. Will do
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I tried, but I only have so much money to spend on this. We need a community effort if this ever pops up again.
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(is that undumped?)
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Frank Cifaldi 23/11/2023 4:56 pm
Yup
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Ethan Whitted 23/11/2023 7:05 pm
What game is that?
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Corwin "weasel" Brence 23/11/2023 7:17 pm
some type of music composition suite?
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Someone tried to drag me into that.
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Kate Willært 24/11/2023 3:35 pm
What’s the best ebay sniping tool? Are they expensive?
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There’s an amazing item flying under the radar on eBay right now, and I covet it
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How amazing is it though?
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Kate Willært 24/11/2023 3:43 pm
Like rare first printing I’ve only seen on eBay once amazing
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Not proto or undumped amazing tho
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Just my repressed collector brain desiring a rare first printing
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Frank Cifaldi 24/11/2023 3:54 pm
I've used myibidder.com for probably like 20 years, as evidenced by the site design
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or worked when i last tried it 2 years ago 😛
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Frank Cifaldi 24/11/2023 3:54 pm
I use mine all the time for our mags, multiple times a week, so can absolutely vouch
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https://www.gixen.com/main/index.php seems to get good reviews in that thread.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/11/2023 7:16 pm
Attached: 4 images "16 bit sensation" mentioned a curious technique used to convert lineart to digital data. The art is transferred to a piece of cling film, then affixed to the screen, and converted to pixels - using just the keyboard! I never heard about this method, so I wanted to try it immediately...
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That show’s plot is weird but man the sheer love for Japanese pcs and the production processes for them that emanates from it
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/11/2023 9:40 pm
Yeah I was kinda excited it was a legitimate vg history show
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Whoa
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That makes sense
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/11/2023 9:43 pm
I guess the manga plays it a lot more straight and is just about a woman making pc games in the 90s
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I really like anime/shows that get into little fun bits of facts about whatever hobby/skill it's about.
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Like Blue Blazes and Slam Dunk. A friend keeps recommending Show-Ha Shoten which sometimes goes on about stand up comedy stuff.
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/11/2023 9:48 pm
New Game is an extremely twee show about video game development that is pretty good too
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Ethan Johnson (Play History) 24/11/2023 9:51 pm
I got bored on the first episode
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Kevin "ubersaurus" Bunch 24/11/2023 9:56 pm
I read ahead in the manga since I don’t think they’re finishing it as a tv show, they get into some interesting plot points on portable games
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NoCon Kid is kinda fun
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Another live action show like Blue Blazes, it revolves around a small family owned arcade. The show doesn't go into a lot of details, but does a fun thing with time moving on from the late 80s, and the 90s bringing in the fighting game craze with SF2
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and the arcade kind of having to play catch up with other places
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Has a great opening with Tokyo No. 1 Soul Set's One Day, and uses Haruomi Hosono's Super Xevious song liberally for a lot of scenes.
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Kate Willært 25/11/2023 12:09 am
I loved Blue Blazes
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For the magfest crew, haven't seen these here
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Phil Salvador 25/11/2023 2:28 am
Hell yeaaaaaaah
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Phil Salvador 25/11/2023 6:50 am
Follow-up to previous hell yeah: I went to a Friendsgiving yesterday and as soon as I walked in a stranger, offered me an Old Bay deviled egg
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That's how I knew I had found the right people
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